Re: [digitalradio] Re: External hard drives?
Thanks to all for their feedback. Bob, I work for a company with a large IT department and have data on my laptop that is subject to federal privacy laws and some lower level homeland security bulletins.. I am saddled with carrying a couple of RSA tokens with me as extra protection for certain areas that I access remotely. My company however does participate in emergency communication drills and has a liasion to RACES/ARES, I am that liaison. Based on the feedback received from the group, I am not able to install software to a pen drive without some finger prints being left in the registry. So, I will install only software related to emergency preparedness and emergency communications. DX Lab suite (logging ,propagation guides) , Multipsk (APRS, robust digital modes) , and Winlink 2000 /Telpac (NTS) appear to be applications that meet that need. I will keep most of that on a pen drive . Andy K3UK. On 12/29/06, Robert Chudek - KØRC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am suggesting a 2.5 HDD caddy, like these: http://newmode.us/caddies/ If you are lucky to get a new laptop, you simply purchase the appropriate caddy and move the HDD into it. I will speculate the vast majority of digital radio reflector subscribers are from the roll your own camp. The idea that an IT department would hand you a new laptop, have all the applications setup, have all the login scripts created, all the forced password renewals installed, and have your access to the operating system *locked* *out*... is a little hard to believe. But this is the reality in most corporations today. IF Andy works for a company that has no IT department (or has weak IT policies), he may have free reign over the laptop configuration. IF NOT, my solution is the safest way to keep his business use and personal use of the company asset separated. For the rest of us who roll our own... maybe you're lucky to work in the IT department. If not, you might be participating in a career limiting activity. When it involved our corporate network/computer security, I have personally seen more than one person walked out the front door. In any case, I am way off topic for the Digitalradio Forum. Sometimes I get up on the soapbox. I do hope I shed some light on methods companies use to keep their computer environments safe. 73 de Bob - KØRC in MN - Original Message - *From:* Salomao Fresco [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* digitalradio@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, December 29, 2006 8:18 PM *Subject:* Re: [digitalradio] Re: External hard drives? Well, I believe your solution is way more complicated to perform. Besides, what use will have the docking station if the laptop gets replaced for instace for another brand? The USB PEN drive will work on almost every computer provided that the programs were correctly installed. And there is enough space on a 2Gb pen drive to install a version of the SO of your choice and make it bootable. I know what I'm talking, because I've allready done it. The docking station is waaay more expensive than the 20 bucks of a pen drive. Give it a try, if it doesn't work, the worst that can happen is getting stuck with a usb pen drive that can carrie a lot of files. Think of it. Regards On 12/30/06, Robert Chudek - KØRC [EMAIL PROTECTED] k0rc%40pclink.com wrote: Well in christ's name (your terminology), your solution doesn't solve Andy's problem of putting personal software on a company computer. You missed the part that the registry is going to get updated (if it is even accessible). Read on. Credible IT departments tie down the operating system very tight in order to reduce the probability of employees hauling worms, viruses, and other crap into the office and spreading it across the Enterprise. I know, I ran a corporate IT department for 8 years. From a pure IT perspective, laptops are the most dangerous PC's on the Enterprise. It's much easier to control and manage desktop machines. The solution I would propose is to purchase a new drive and caddy for the laptop. Typically there is one screw that holds the HDD into the laptop and that screw is accessible from the outside of the case. Depending on the drive size you want, this can be less than a $100 investment. Get your own drive, format it up, load your OS, and install your personal applications. Swap the drives when you want to run your radio applications at home. But be aware if you bring your laptop into work with your personal drive installed, you'll get hauled in front of the CIO to explain why you are putting the company infrastructure in jeopardy. And the incident will be written up in your permanent record. If this sounds blunt and excessive... well you don't understand the nightmares IT departments face, trying to support large networks that wrap around the world. I don't know for whom Andy works, but if it's a large corporation with an IT staff, he may find the screw holding the disk caddy into his new laptop has been
Re: [digitalradio] Re: External hard drives?
1.This is a bit off topic, but I have often wondered why some windows programs require Windows Registries and some work completely without this. What causes a software author to cross the line that requires those registry entries and all the complications that go with it? 2. USB pens can be a lifesaver. A year ago we needed a particular software program to run for Field Day and although I had the program on my computer, we needed to put it on some other ones and of course no more floppy drives. USB pen to the rescue. Had never used one before. 3. Speaking of OS and USB pens, this may be one of those times to consider using one of the Linux distributions that has been specifically designed for this kind of media. The amateur radio software quantity and quality seems to finally be getting better on Linux although it still has a long way to catch up to MS OS software. 73, Rick, KV9U Dave Bernstein wrote: Bob did not suggest a docking station, Sal, he suggested a second hard drive. I have used his recommended solution with my IBM T42P laptop, and it works extremely well; one can swap identities in the time required to terminate Windows and reboot; the physical drive swap takes a few seconds. With respect to your claim that The USB PEN drive will work on almost every computer provided that the programs were correctly installed, I suggest that you (carefully) open the Windows Registry editor and examine the Software sections of HKCU and HKLM -- you'll find that DX Atlas, DXLab, Ham Radio Deluxe, LotW, and QRZ all maintain settings there. Other popular digital mode applications may as well -- I don't have Digipan, MixW, or MultiPSK currently installed on this PC, and my examination was cursory. There is no way to properly install any of DX Atlas, DXLab, Ham Radio Deluxe, LotW, or the QRZ CDROM callbook in a way that makes them pen-drive portable. There are web pages that list pen-drive portable applications, e.g. http://pendriveapps.com/ and http://www.irrodl.org/index.php/irrodl/article/view/369/656 but I've found no mention of digital mode amateur radio applications so far. Establishing such a list would be helpful, but I suggest that an application only be added after 1. its author asserts that the application is pen-drive portable 2. someone actually tests the application in a pen-drive portable configuration It would also be useful to compare performance in a pen-drive configuration vs. a hard-drive configuration. 73, Dave, AA6YQ
RE: [digitalradio] Re: External hard drives?
1.This is a bit off topic, but I have often wondered why some windows programs require Windows Registries and some work completely without this. What causes a software author to cross the line that requires those registry entries and all the complications that go with it? It mostly comes down to personal preference of the developer, combined with policy pressure from Microsoft. When you have settings to save across program invocations (user preferences, window position and size, etc) it's equally easy to save these preference in an .ini file (which is typically located in the \windows directory or in the directory from which the program is invoked -- this is also up to the program's author) or in the Registry. According to Microsoft's latest guidance, .ini files are SUPPOSED to be obsolete. User's can too easily delete them (when they're placed in the \windows directory) and, after all, the whole reason the Registry exists is to have a central place to store system and program cofiguration settings. For operating system level programs such as device drivers, or for windows services (what they call daemons in Unix), there's no choice but to create entries in the Registry. Windows looks for specific registry settings to determine which of these components to start and at what time. The above is a bit of a simplification, of course, but is correct as a general outline. de Peter K1PGV
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KV9U wrote: 1.This is a bit off topic, but I have often wondered why some windows programs require Windows Registries and some work completely without this. What causes a software author to cross the line that requires those registry entries and all the complications that go with it? 2. USB pens can be a lifesaver. A year ago we needed a particular software program to run for Field Day and although I had the program on my computer, we needed to put it on some other ones and of course no more floppy drives. USB pen to the rescue. Had never used one before. 3. Speaking of OS and USB pens, this may be one of those times to consider using one of the Linux distributions that has been specifically designed for this kind of media. The amateur radio software quantity and quality seems to finally be getting better on Linux although it still has a long way to catch up to MS OS software. 73, Rick, KV9U Dave Bernstein wrote: Bob did not suggest a docking station, Sal, he suggested a second hard drive. I have used his recommended solution with my IBM T42P laptop, and it works extremely well; one can swap identities in the time required to terminate Windows and reboot; the physical drive swap takes a few seconds. With respect to your claim that The USB PEN drive will work on almost every computer provided that the programs were correctly installed, I suggest that you (carefully) open the Windows Registry editor and examine the Software sections of HKCU and HKLM -- you'll find that DX Atlas, DXLab, Ham Radio Deluxe, LotW, and QRZ all maintain settings there. Other popular digital mode applications may as well -- I don't have Digipan, MixW, or MultiPSK currently installed on this PC, and my examination was cursory. There is no way to properly install any of DX Atlas, DXLab, Ham Radio Deluxe, LotW, or the QRZ CDROM callbook in a way that makes them pen-drive portable. There are web pages that list pen-drive portable applications, e.g. http://pendriveapps.com/ and http://www.irrodl.org/index.php/irrodl/article/view/369/656 but I've found no mention of digital mode amateur radio applications so far. Establishing such a list would be helpful, but I suggest that an application only be added after 1. its author asserts that the application is pen-drive portable 2. someone actually tests the application in a pen-drive portable configuration It would also be useful to compare performance in a pen-drive configuration vs. a hard-drive configuration. 73, Dave, AA6YQ I use Puppy Linux on a USB stick as a emergency data recovery OS from a failed system and it works great as a general purpose OS, I also use it when I travel to deal with on-line banking, I can use anyones PC and not leave anything on their system. It has Open office, mail setup, and anything else I need, so my stick makes anyone elses' machine have all my tools without making any changes to their PC. -- Cecil KD5NWA www.qrpradio.com www.hpsdr.com Sacred Cows make the best Hamburger! Don Seglio Batuna
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Yep, I would not want it to touch the C drive at all, if possible. On 12/29/06, jhaynesatalumni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't somebody selling a thumb drive that is all configured so everything runs out of it and doesn't touch the computer hard drive? Seems like I was reading about a product like this that was to make it safe to use a public computer for your private work.
Re: [digitalradio] Re: External hard drives?
A computer, intelligent, friend of mine has been educating me of swapping hard drives... For example, drive C..is usually marked at 'master' and the others are marked as slaves The marking is a jumper .. On the bank of your hard drive are three recepticles... The first one is a long plug, of which the data flows... The second plug / receptical contain 4 rather heavy wires.. marked yellow, black, black and red.. they contain the D.C. wiring.. I assume by the colours The third plug has no opposite polarity receptical but contains jumper(s)... This is the jumper which determnes whether or not the hard drive is a slave or master drive... On one side of your hard drive, you should notice some printing which tells you how to make the drive a master or slave... You follow the instructions to make that drive a master or slave This will allow you to put another drive onto your existing computer including removing them should you desire I had three computers.. I took the oldest computer's hard drive out and put them into my newer computer... making the older computer's drive C my newer computer's drive D, or which ever letter was available Now I do realise I have probably drifted somewhat off topic but I hope the information was of some value... Larry ve3fxq - Original Message - From: jhaynesatalumni [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 12:33 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: External hard drives? Isn't somebody selling a thumb drive that is all configured so everything runs out of it and doesn't touch the computer hard drive? Seems like I was reading about a product like this that was to make it safe to use a public computer for your private work.
Re: [digitalradio] Re: External hard drives?
Excuse me for jumping in here, but I'd like to add one thing. Please be sure the power supply in the PC is capable of carrying the extra load. Many computers being made contain only a bare minimum power supply - usually on the order of 200 or 250 watts. While this is adequate for what is in the PC at the time it is shipped, adding peripherals can overload the power supply. Adding an extra hard drive, CD/DVD burner, video card and audio card can tax a minimal power supply and cause many problems. Usually, just adding one of these is not a major concern, but consider upgrading the power supply if you're adding several. A 450 watt power supply is generally fairly cheap - on the order of $35 to $60, and can save headaches down the road! 73 Dave KB3MOW A computer, intelligent, friend of mine has been educating me of swapping hard drives... For example, drive C..is usually marked at 'master' and the others are marked as slaves The marking is a jumper .. On the bank of your hard drive are three recepticles... The first one is a long plug, of which the data flows... The second plug / receptical contain 4 rather heavy wires.. marked yellow, black, black and red.. they contain the D.C. wiring.. I assume by the colours The third plug has no opposite polarity receptical but contains jumper(s)... This is the jumper which determnes whether or not the hard drive is a slave or master drive... On one side of your hard drive, you should notice some printing which tells you how to make the drive a master or slave... You follow the instructions to make that drive a master or slave This will allow you to put another drive onto your existing computer including removing them should you desire I had three computers.. I took the oldest computer's hard drive out and put them into my newer computer... making the older computer's drive C my newer computer's drive D, or which ever letter was available Now I do realise I have probably drifted somewhat off topic but I hope the information was of some value... Larry ve3fxq
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Hi to all! I believe there is a big confusion! On the first post Andy states this: *I just got a new company laptop.* What the heck does he need to know about master, slave, falt cables and color of the power cables? He is talking about a laptop for Christ sake. He is asking you the time and you're telling him how the clocks work. He only wants to know if it is possible to load the Ham radio software that he needs to work digi modes on a External Hard Disk. I answer him YES, but there is no need to do it, why don't you try a Pen Drive, there are lots on the market now and the prices are low enough, I bought one with 1Gb for 19,99 euros a few months ago. How to use it? Instead of installing the software in the Computers own hard disk, install it on the flash drive (pen). This way you can use work your digimodes in about any computer. (it might not work with all programs, because some of them need to install some files in the Windows folder). Regards Happy new 2007 Sal On 12/29/06, Dave Doc Corio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Excuse me for jumping in here, but I'd like to add one thing. Please be sure the power supply in the PC is capable of carrying the extra load. Many computers being made contain only a bare minimum power supply - usually on the order of 200 or 250 watts. While this is adequate for what is in the PC at the time it is shipped, adding peripherals can overload the power supply. Adding an extra hard drive, CD/DVD burner, video card and audio card can tax a minimal power supply and cause many problems. Usually, just adding one of these is not a major concern, but consider upgrading the power supply if you're adding several. A 450 watt power supply is generally fairly cheap - on the order of $35 to $60, and can save headaches down the road! 73 Dave KB3MOW A computer, intelligent, friend of mine has been educating me of swapping hard drives... For example, drive C..is usually marked at 'master' and the others are marked as slaves The marking is a jumper .. On the bank of your hard drive are three recepticles... The first one is a long plug, of which the data flows... The second plug / receptical contain 4 rather heavy wires.. marked yellow, black, black and red.. they contain the D.C. wiring.. I assume by the colours The third plug has no opposite polarity receptical but contains jumper(s)... This is the jumper which determnes whether or not the hard drive is a slave or master drive... On one side of your hard drive, you should notice some printing which tells you how to make the drive a master or slave... You follow the instructions to make that drive a master or slave This will allow you to put another drive onto your existing computer including removing them should you desire I had three computers.. I took the oldest computer's hard drive out and put them into my newer computer... making the older computer's drive C my newer computer's drive D, or which ever letter was available Now I do realise I have probably drifted somewhat off topic but I hope the information was of some value... Larry ve3fxq -- Cumprimentos Salomão Fresco CT2IRJ If it works... dont fix it!
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Greetings Woops... Please.. I was unable to read the original question... In the old days, each person added his/her comments to a question and created a thread... when we could then read each of the comments and respond accordingly... More recently, in an effort to save on email length, the moderators started to tell us to use only the shortest length of messages... This unfortunately would then leave people like me not really knowing the question but relying on the subsequent answer to interpert the question Yes, I agree the new... 'memory sticks' (I suspect they come with different names)which plug into the usb port... should be your answer... plain and simple... Sorry... Larry ve3fxq - Original Message - From: Salomao Fresco [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: External hard drives? Hi to all! I believe there is a big confusion! On the first post Andy states this: *I just got a new company laptop.* What the heck does he need to know about master, slave, falt cables and color of the power cables? He is talking about a laptop for Christ sake. He is asking you the time and you're telling him how the clocks work. He only wants to know if it is possible to load the Ham radio software that he needs to work digi modes on a External Hard Disk. I answer him YES, but there is no need to do it, why don't you try a Pen Drive, there are lots on the market now and the prices are low enough, I bought one with 1Gb for 19,99 euros a few months ago. How to use it? Instead of installing the software in the Computers own hard disk, install it on the flash drive (pen). This way you can use work your digimodes in about any computer. (it might not work with all programs, because some of them need to install some files in the Windows folder). Regards Happy new 2007 Sal On 12/29/06, Dave Doc Corio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Excuse me for jumping in here, but I'd like to add one thing. Please be sure the power supply in the PC is capable of carrying the extra load. Many computers being made contain only a bare minimum power supply - usually on the order of 200 or 250 watts. While this is adequate for what is in the PC at the time it is shipped, adding peripherals can overload the power supply. Adding an extra hard drive, CD/DVD burner, video card and audio card can tax a minimal power supply and cause many problems. Usually, just adding one of these is not a major concern, but consider upgrading the power supply if you're adding several. A 450 watt power supply is generally fairly cheap - on the order of $35 to $60, and can save headaches down the road! 73 Dave KB3MOW A computer, intelligent, friend of mine has been educating me of swapping hard drives... For example, drive C..is usually marked at 'master' and the others are marked as slaves The marking is a jumper .. On the bank of your hard drive are three recepticles... The first one is a long plug, of which the data flows... The second plug / receptical contain 4 rather heavy wires.. marked yellow, black, black and red.. they contain the D.C. wiring.. I assume by the colours The third plug has no opposite polarity receptical but contains jumper(s)... This is the jumper which determnes whether or not the hard drive is a slave or master drive... On one side of your hard drive, you should notice some printing which tells you how to make the drive a master or slave... You follow the instructions to make that drive a master or slave This will allow you to put another drive onto your existing computer including removing them should you desire I had three computers.. I took the oldest computer's hard drive out and put them into my newer computer... making the older computer's drive C my newer computer's drive D, or which ever letter was available Now I do realise I have probably drifted somewhat off topic but I hope the information was of some value... Larry ve3fxq -- Cumprimentos Salomão Fresco CT2IRJ If it works... dont fix it!
Re: [digitalradio] Re: External hard drives?
Well in christ's name (your terminology), your solution doesn't solve Andy's problem of putting personal software on a company computer. You missed the part that the registry is going to get updated (if it is even accessible). Read on. Credible IT departments tie down the operating system very tight in order to reduce the probability of employees hauling worms, viruses, and other crap into the office and spreading it across the Enterprise. I know, I ran a corporate IT department for 8 years. From a pure IT perspective, laptops are the most dangerous PC's on the Enterprise. It's much easier to control and manage desktop machines. The solution I would propose is to purchase a new drive and caddy for the laptop. Typically there is one screw that holds the HDD into the laptop and that screw is accessible from the outside of the case. Depending on the drive size you want, this can be less than a $100 investment. Get your own drive, format it up, load your OS, and install your personal applications. Swap the drives when you want to run your radio applications at home. But be aware if you bring your laptop into work with your personal drive installed, you'll get hauled in front of the CIO to explain why you are putting the company infrastructure in jeopardy. And the incident will be written up in your permanent record. If this sounds blunt and excessive... well you don't understand the nightmares IT departments face, trying to support large networks that wrap around the world. I don't know for whom Andy works, but if it's a large corporation with an IT staff, he may find the screw holding the disk caddy into his new laptop has been superglued into place. My engineers didn't go to that extreme, but if there was a laptop suspected of issues, it got a fresh format and a standard build of corporate licensed software installed. 73 de Bob - KØRC in MN - Original Message - From: Salomao Fresco To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: External hard drives? Hi to all! I believe there is a big confusion! On the first post Andy states this: I just got a new company laptop. What the heck does he need to know about master, slave, falt cables and color of the power cables? He is talking about a laptop for Christ sake. He is asking you the time and you're telling him how the clocks work. He only wants to know if it is possible to load the Ham radio software that he needs to work digi modes on a External Hard Disk. I answer him YES, but there is no need to do it, why don't you try a Pen Drive, there are lots on the market now and the prices are low enough, I bought one with 1Gb for 19,99 euros a few months ago. How to use it? Instead of installing the software in the Computers own hard disk, install it on the flash drive (pen). This way you can use work your digimodes in about any computer. (it might not work with all programs, because some of them need to install some files in the Windows folder). Regards Happy new 2007 Sal On 12/29/06, Dave Doc Corio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Excuse me for jumping in here, but I'd like to add one thing. Please be sure the power supply in the PC is capable of carrying the extra load. Many computers being made contain only a bare minimum power supply - usually on the order of 200 or 250 watts. While this is adequate for what is in the PC at the time it is shipped, adding peripherals can overload the power supply. Adding an extra hard drive, CD/DVD burner, video card and audio card can tax a minimal power supply and cause many problems. Usually, just adding one of these is not a major concern, but consider upgrading the power supply if you're adding several. A 450 watt power supply is generally fairly cheap - on the order of $35 to $60, and can save headaches down the road! 73 Dave KB3MOW A computer, intelligent, friend of mine has been educating me of swapping hard drives... For example, drive C..is usually marked at 'master' and the others are marked as slaves The marking is a jumper .. On the bank of your hard drive are three recepticles... The first one is a long plug, of which the data flows... The second plug / receptical contain 4 rather heavy wires.. marked yellow, black, black and red.. they contain the D.C. wiring.. I assume by the colours The third plug has no opposite polarity receptical but contains jumper(s)... This is the jumper which determnes whether or not the hard drive is a slave or master drive... On one side of your hard drive, you should notice some printing which tells you how to make the drive a master or slave... You follow the instructions to make that drive a master or slave This will allow you to put another drive onto your existing computer including
Re: [digitalradio] Re: External hard drives?
Well, I believe your solution is way more complicated to perform. Besides, what use will have the docking station if the laptop gets replaced for instace for another brand? The USB PEN drive will work on almost every computer provided that the programs were correctly installed. And there is enough space on a 2Gb pen drive to install a version of the SO of your choice and make it bootable. I know what I'm talking, because I've allready done it. The docking station is waaay more expensive than the 20 bucks of a pen drive. Give it a try, if it doesn't work, the worst that can happen is getting stuck with a usb pen drive that can carrie a lot of files. Think of it. Regards On 12/30/06, Robert Chudek - KØRC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well in christ's name (your terminology), your solution doesn't solve Andy's problem of putting personal software on a company computer. You missed the part that the registry is going to get updated (if it is even accessible). Read on. Credible IT departments tie down the operating system very tight in order to reduce the probability of employees hauling worms, viruses, and other crap into the office and spreading it across the Enterprise. I know, I ran a corporate IT department for 8 years. From a pure IT perspective, laptops are the most dangerous PC's on the Enterprise. It's much easier to control and manage desktop machines. The solution I would propose is to purchase a new drive and caddy for the laptop. Typically there is one screw that holds the HDD into the laptop and that screw is accessible from the outside of the case. Depending on the drive size you want, this can be less than a $100 investment. Get your own drive, format it up, load your OS, and install your personal applications. Swap the drives when you want to run your radio applications at home. But be aware if you bring your laptop into work with your personal drive installed, you'll get hauled in front of the CIO to explain why you are putting the company infrastructure in jeopardy. And the incident will be written up in your permanent record. If this sounds blunt and excessive... well you don't understand the nightmares IT departments face, trying to support large networks that wrap around the world. I don't know for whom Andy works, but if it's a large corporation with an IT staff, he may find the screw holding the disk caddy into his new laptop has been superglued into place. My engineers didn't go to that extreme, but if there was a laptop suspected of issues, it got a fresh format and a standard build of corporate licensed software installed. 73 de Bob - KØRC in MN - Original Message - From: Salomao Fresco To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: External hard drives? Hi to all! I believe there is a big confusion! On the first post Andy states this: I just got a new company laptop. What the heck does he need to know about master, slave, falt cables and color of the power cables? He is talking about a laptop for Christ sake. He is asking you the time and you're telling him how the clocks work. He only wants to know if it is possible to load the Ham radio software that he needs to work digi modes on a External Hard Disk. I answer him YES, but there is no need to do it, why don't you try a Pen Drive, there are lots on the market now and the prices are low enough, I bought one with 1Gb for 19,99 euros a few months ago. How to use it? Instead of installing the software in the Computers own hard disk, install it on the flash drive (pen). This way you can use work your digimodes in about any computer. (it might not work with all programs, because some of them need to install some files in the Windows folder). Regards Happy new 2007 Sal On 12/29/06, Dave Doc Corio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Excuse me for jumping in here, but I'd like to add one thing. Please be sure the power supply in the PC is capable of carrying the extra load. Many computers being made contain only a bare minimum power supply - usually on the order of 200 or 250 watts. While this is adequate for what is in the PC at the time it is shipped, adding peripherals can overload the power supply. Adding an extra hard drive, CD/DVD burner, video card and audio card can tax a minimal power supply and cause many problems. Usually, just adding one of these is not a major concern, but consider upgrading the power supply if you're adding several. A 450 watt power supply is generally fairly cheap - on the order of $35 to $60, and can save headaches down the road! 73 Dave KB3MOW A computer, intelligent, friend of mine has been educating me of swapping hard drives... For example, drive C..is usually marked at 'master' and the others are marked as slaves The marking is a jumper .. On the bank of your hard
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Well, I believe your solution is way more complicated to perform. Besides, what use will have the docking station if the laptop gets replaced for instace for another brand? The USB PEN drive will work on almost every computer provided that the programs were correctly installed. And there is enough space on a 2Gb pen drive to install a version of the SO of your choice and make it bootable. I know what I'm talking, because I've allready done it. The docking station is waaay more expensive than the 20 bucks of a pen drive. Give it a try, if it doesn't work, the worst that can happen is getting stuck with a usb pen drive that can carrie a lot of files. Think of it. Regards On 12/30/06, Robert Chudek - KØRC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well in christ's name (your terminology), your solution doesn't solve Andy's problem of putting personal software on a company computer. You missed the part that the registry is going to get updated (if it is even accessible). Read on. Credible IT departments tie down the operating system very tight in order to reduce the probability of employees hauling worms, viruses, and other crap into the office and spreading it across the Enterprise. I know, I ran a corporate IT department for 8 years. From a pure IT perspective, laptops are the most dangerous PC's on the Enterprise. It's much easier to control and manage desktop machines. The solution I would propose is to purchase a new drive and caddy for the laptop. Typically there is one screw that holds the HDD into the laptop and that screw is accessible from the outside of the case. Depending on the drive size you want, this can be less than a $100 investment. Get your own drive, format it up, load your OS, and install your personal applications. Swap the drives when you want to run your radio applications at home. But be aware if you bring your laptop into work with your personal drive installed, you'll get hauled in front of the CIO to explain why you are putting the company infrastructure in jeopardy. And the incident will be written up in your permanent record. If this sounds blunt and excessive... well you don't understand the nightmares IT departments face, trying to support large networks that wrap around the world. I don't know for whom Andy works, but if it's a large corporation with an IT staff, he may find the screw holding the disk caddy into his new laptop has been superglued into place. My engineers didn't go to that extreme, but if there was a laptop suspected of issues, it got a fresh format and a standard build of corporate licensed software installed. 73 de Bob - KØRC in MN - Original Message - From: Salomao Fresco To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: External hard drives? Hi to all! I believe there is a big confusion! On the first post Andy states this: I just got a new company laptop. What the heck does he need to know about master, slave, falt cables and color of the power cables? He is talking about a laptop for Christ sake. He is asking you the time and you're telling him how the clocks work. He only wants to know if it is possible to load the Ham radio software that he needs to work digi modes on a External Hard Disk. I answer him YES, but there is no need to do it, why don't you try a Pen Drive, there are lots on the market now and the prices are low enough, I bought one with 1Gb for 19,99 euros a few months ago. How to use it? Instead of installing the software in the Computers own hard disk, install it on the flash drive (pen). This way you can use work your digimodes in about any computer. (it might not work with all programs, because some of them need to install some files in the Windows folder). Regards Happy new 2007 Sal On 12/29/06, Dave Doc Corio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Excuse me for jumping in here, but I'd like to add one thing. Please be sure the power supply in the PC is capable of carrying the extra load. Many computers being made contain only a bare minimum power supply - usually on the order of 200 or 250 watts. While this is adequate for what is in the PC at the time it is shipped, adding peripherals can overload the power supply. Adding an extra hard drive, CD/DVD burner, video card and audio card can tax a minimal power supply and cause many problems. Usually, just adding one of these is not a major concern, but consider upgrading the power supply if you're adding several. A 450 watt power supply is generally fairly cheap - on the order of $35 to $60, and can save headaches down the road! 73 Dave KB3MOW A computer, intelligent, friend of mine has been educating me of swapping hard drives... For example, drive C..is usually marked at 'master' and the others are marked as slaves The marking is a jumper .. On the bank of your hard
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The solution I would propose is to purchase a new drive Could try a Virtual PC disk image on the thumb drive. Then everyting is installed there and it's a simple file to delete when you're done. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtualpc/default.mspx
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Pen drives are very handy. For instance, I use mine, leaving it in the computer all the time, to do backup logs. The LogKeeper program is set up so that everytime a contact is logged on the normal log file, it is also sent to the pen drive and logged there. So- if I loose the hard drive, I still have an up-to-date and complete log file to recover with. Easier and faster than copying the logs to a CD on a daily basis, which is what I used to do. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB all DX 2-6 years each . QSL LOTW-buro- direct As courtesy I upload to eQSL but if you use that - also pls upload to LOTW or hard card. moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED] moderator http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk - Original Message - From: Salomao Fresco [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: External hard drives? Well, I believe your solution is way more complicated to perform. Besides, what use will have the docking station if the laptop gets replaced for instace for another brand?
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Hi! I used to use mine at work to get the latest keplers and other stuff, before I have an internet connection at home. On 12/30/06, Danny Douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pen drives are very handy. For instance, I use mine, leaving it in the computer all the time, to do backup logs. The LogKeeper program is set up so that everytime a contact is logged on the normal log file, it is also sent to the pen drive and logged there. So- if I loose the hard drive, I still have an up-to-date and complete log file to recover with. Easier and faster than copying the logs to a CD on a daily basis, which is what I used to do. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB all DX 2-6 years each . QSL LOTW-buro- direct As courtesy I upload to eQSL but if you use that - also pls upload to LOTW or hard card. moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED] moderator http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk - Original Message - From: Salomao Fresco [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: External hard drives? Well, I believe your solution is way more complicated to perform. Besides, what use will have the docking station if the laptop gets replaced for instace for another brand? Suggested Calling/Beaconing Frequencies: 17M: 18103.4 20M: Primary:14.078.4 Secondary: 14.076.4 Digital Voice: 14236 30M Primary:10.142 Secondary 10.144 40M Region 2: 7073 Region 1/3: 7039 80M Primary : 3583 Secondary: 3584.5 Announce your presence via our DX Cluster telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Yahoo! Groups Links -- Cumprimentos Salomão Fresco CT2IRJ If it works... dont fix it!
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Hi! Sorry guys, but my last message was posted twice. On 12/30/06, Bill Vodall WA7NWP [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The solution I would propose is to purchase a new drive Could try a Virtual PC disk image on the thumb drive. Then everyting is installed there and it's a simple file to delete when you're done. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtualpc/default.mspx Suggested Calling/Beaconing Frequencies: 17M: 18103.4 20M: Primary:14.078.4 Secondary: 14.076.4 Digital Voice: 14236 30M Primary:10.142 Secondary 10.144 40M Region 2: 7073 Region 1/3: 7039 80M Primary : 3583 Secondary: 3584.5 Announce your presence via our DX Cluster telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Yahoo! Groups Links -- Cumprimentos Salomão Fresco CT2IRJ If it works... dont fix it!
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I am suggesting a 2.5 HDD caddy, like these: http://newmode.us/caddies/ If you are lucky to get a new laptop, you simply purchase the appropriate caddy and move the HDD into it. I will speculate the vast majority of digital radio reflector subscribers are from the roll your own camp. The idea that an IT department would hand you a new laptop, have all the applications setup, have all the login scripts created, all the forced password renewals installed, and have your access to the operating system locked out... is a little hard to believe. But this is the reality in most corporations today. IF Andy works for a company that has no IT department (or has weak IT policies), he may have free reign over the laptop configuration. IF NOT, my solution is the safest way to keep his business use and personal use of the company asset separated. For the rest of us who roll our own... maybe you're lucky to work in the IT department. If not, you might be participating in a career limiting activity. When it involved our corporate network/computer security, I have personally seen more than one person walked out the front door. In any case, I am way off topic for the Digitalradio Forum. Sometimes I get up on the soapbox. I do hope I shed some light on methods companies use to keep their computer environments safe. 73 de Bob - KØRC in MN - Original Message - From: Salomao Fresco To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 8:18 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: External hard drives? Well, I believe your solution is way more complicated to perform. Besides, what use will have the docking station if the laptop gets replaced for instace for another brand? The USB PEN drive will work on almost every computer provided that the programs were correctly installed. And there is enough space on a 2Gb pen drive to install a version of the SO of your choice and make it bootable. I know what I'm talking, because I've allready done it. The docking station is waaay more expensive than the 20 bucks of a pen drive. Give it a try, if it doesn't work, the worst that can happen is getting stuck with a usb pen drive that can carrie a lot of files. Think of it. Regards On 12/30/06, Robert Chudek - KØRC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well in christ's name (your terminology), your solution doesn't solve Andy's problem of putting personal software on a company computer. You missed the part that the registry is going to get updated (if it is even accessible). Read on. Credible IT departments tie down the operating system very tight in order to reduce the probability of employees hauling worms, viruses, and other crap into the office and spreading it across the Enterprise. I know, I ran a corporate IT department for 8 years. From a pure IT perspective, laptops are the most dangerous PC's on the Enterprise. It's much easier to control and manage desktop machines. The solution I would propose is to purchase a new drive and caddy for the laptop. Typically there is one screw that holds the HDD into the laptop and that screw is accessible from the outside of the case. Depending on the drive size you want, this can be less than a $100 investment. Get your own drive, format it up, load your OS, and install your personal applications. Swap the drives when you want to run your radio applications at home. But be aware if you bring your laptop into work with your personal drive installed, you'll get hauled in front of the CIO to explain why you are putting the company infrastructure in jeopardy. And the incident will be written up in your permanent record. If this sounds blunt and excessive... well you don't understand the nightmares IT departments face, trying to support large networks that wrap around the world. I don't know for whom Andy works, but if it's a large corporation with an IT staff, he may find the screw holding the disk caddy into his new laptop has been superglued into place. My engineers didn't go to that extreme, but if there was a laptop suspected of issues, it got a fresh format and a standard build of corporate licensed software installed. 73 de Bob - KØRC in MN - Original Message - From: Salomao Fresco To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: External hard drives? Hi to all! I believe there is a big confusion! On the first post Andy states this: I just got a new company laptop. What the heck does he need to know about master, slave, falt cables and color of the power cables? He is talking about a laptop for Christ sake. He is asking you the time and you're telling him how the clocks work. He only wants to know if it is possible to load the Ham radio software that he needs to work digi modes
