[tdf-discuss] Re: table tool bar keep open

2011-02-22 Thread Avraham Hanadari

Le 19/02/2011 11:33, RGB ES a écrit :

AFAIK, it's a feature. If you want the table toolbar to not disturb
your work space, when it just drag it and anchor it below the text
area: I always put there all the contextual toolbars.
Another option is to close forever that toolbar (unchecking it when it
appears) and create a custom one (Tools  Customize  Toolbars tab)
with the buttons you need: custom toolbars are not contextual.
Regards
Ricardo








Thanks for the suggestions, Ricardo (also to Irmhild and Cor).

I had never anchored the toolbar below the text area before, but there 
it does not bother the text even when the bar disappears. I'll use that 
as my workaround.


By the way, hard to believe that this is a feature. Were that the case, 
in my opinion, it would appear as an option to have a given toolbar be 
permanent or just appear when the curser was in a certain place.


Thanks again,

Rick



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Re: [tdf-discuss] Setup Advice

2011-02-22 Thread Mark Preston
Thanks very much Barbara. Glad to see someone has beaten me to it.

On 21/02/2011 23:08, Barbara Duprey wrote:
 On 2/21/2011 4:16 PM, Mark Preston wrote:
 I'm about ready to load up LibreOffice and start running it for work
 but have really one simple question before I do. Background is I will
 be running it on Windows Vista, currently run OpenOffice and will be
 using it near daily including with MS Office documents and
 presentations.

 So the question is: can I load LibO side-by-side with OpenOffice and
 if not what is the procedure to load LibO and - should there be
 probelms - to reload OpenOffice? Most importantly, this is a
 multi-user system so it needs to be loaded for at least three users.
 Any advice much appreciated.
 
 They ordinarily coexist peacefully, although you may want to modify
 the file associations to make the right one the default. Also, it
 might be best to run without the QuickStarter. I generally have at
 least one document or the splash page active, and I don't set the
 option to look for updates, so OOo and LibO both come up quite quickly
 even the first time.
 

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Setup Advice

2011-02-22 Thread AG

On 21/02/11 23:08, Barbara Duprey wrote:

On 2/21/2011 4:16 PM, Mark Preston wrote:

I'm about ready to load up LibreOffice and start running it for work
but have really one simple question before I do. Background is I will
be running it on Windows Vista, currently run OpenOffice and will be
using it near daily including with MS Office documents and 
presentations.


So the question is: can I load LibO side-by-side with OpenOffice and
if not what is the procedure to load LibO and - should there be
probelms - to reload OpenOffice? Most importantly, this is a
multi-user system so it needs to be loaded for at least three users.
Any advice much appreciated.


They ordinarily coexist peacefully, although you may want to modify 
the file associations to make the right one the default. Also, it 
might be best to run without the QuickStarter. I generally have at 
least one document or the splash page active, and I don't set the 
option to look for updates, so OOo and LibO both come up quite quickly 
even the first time.




You could always disable the Quickstarter in OOo (Tools  Options  
LibreOffice  Memory uncheck the Enable the systray QS option, and 
enable it in LibO (via exactly the same route).


Personally, I like the QS option and if that is set to load at boot up 
(or login) then the basic libraries are already pre-loaded and ready to 
open quickly.


And yes, I can confirm Barbara's observation that OOo and LibO do 
coexist peacefully.


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Very Good Review

2011-02-22 Thread AG

On 21/02/11 23:22, Italo Vignoli wrote:
http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/products/libreoffice-pips-openoffice-org-to-the-post-review-21561 




Thanks for posting.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: table tool bar keep open

2011-02-22 Thread Christoph Noack
Hi Rick!

Am Dienstag, den 22.02.2011, 09:56 +0200 schrieb Avraham Hanadari:
 By the way, hard to believe that this is a feature. Were that the
 case, in my opinion, it would appear as an option to have a given
 toolbar be permanent or just appear when the curser was in a certain
 place. 

Well, if it would be an option, than we could ship a thousand more
options for the rest of the LibreOffice behavior :-) But of course,
sometimes this kind of behavior can be annoying.

Since some of you asked - here is the toolbar specification:
http://specs.openoffice.org/ui_in_general/toolbars/openoffice_org_toolbar_spec.odt

Most probably, section 6.3 Context Sensitive Toolbars will be
interesting for you.

Cheers,
Christoph

PS: I don't say that it behaves correctly, it's just about providing the
requested information :-)


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Mac App Store - or else ?

2011-02-22 Thread Valter Mura
In data giovedì 13 gennaio 2011 22:53:59, Fabián Rodríguez ha scritto:

 On 11-01-12 11:35 AM, Larry Gusaas wrote:
  On 2011/01/12 8:49 AM  Mirek M. wrote:
  2011/1/12 Jonathan Aquilinaeagles051...@gmail.com
  
Why not license it under an appropriate license that would allow
  
  us to put
  
it in the app store? would that mean we would need to remove the
  
  GPL or can
  
it be dual licensed to go on the app store?
  
  I'm no expert, but as I understand it, LibreOffice is licensed under the
  LGPL, which should allow it to be used with DRM (whereas VLC was GPL).
  In order for LibreOffice to change its license, it would need to get
  an OK
  from all its contributors, including Oracle, which is not too likely to
  happen IMHO. But I don't think that's necessary in this case.
  
  There is no DRM used on the Mac OS X App Store. There is DRM on the
  Apple iOS AppStore. They are two separate entities. The FSF objections
  are to the DRM on the iOS AppStore and do not apply to the OS X App
  Store. Of course, the FSF objects to Apple and any other company that
  does not give away their software for free.
  
  Larry
 
 Hi Larry,
 
 DRM means Digital Rights Management and although it (apparently) has
 been easily circumvented in the App store, there are indeed such control
 mechanisms implemented:
 http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1075297
 
 A quick search shows confusing information about this (again):
 http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/02/poetic-justice-watch-crackulous-r
 eleased-pirated-re-sold.ars
 http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-20027731-264.html
 
 Free in Free software refers to Freedom, not free as in $0 cost.
 It's a common mistake, but the Free Software Foundation is not objecting
 to anyone selling Free software. Quite the opposite, in fact, except the
 software itself is not considering the only goods you would be
 monetizing. This article should help understanding such model:
 http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html
 
 Larry, knowing that you are the audience we seek, I'd like to know how
 you found out about OOo (or Libreoffice, if you didn't know OOo before).
 Perhaps that can provide other ways to better reach Mac audiences ?
 

Should it be possible to have a light Libò version for BlackBerry? This kind 
of mobile phone is used by the majority of businessmen, I suppose it should be 
useful to have it inside the phone.

What do you think?
-- 
Valter
Registered Linux User #466410  http://counter.li.org
Kubuntu Linux: www.kubuntu.org
LibreOffice: www.libreoffice.org
OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Mac App Store - or else ?

2011-02-22 Thread Jonathan Aquilina

On 2/23/11 12:25 AM, Valter Mura wrote:

In data giovedì 13 gennaio 2011 22:53:59, Fabián Rodríguez ha scritto:


On 11-01-12 11:35 AM, Larry Gusaas wrote:

On 2011/01/12 8:49 AM  Mirek M. wrote:

2011/1/12 Jonathan Aquilinaeagles051...@gmail.com


  Why not license it under an appropriate license that would allow

us to put


  it in the app store? would that mean we would need to remove the

GPL or can


  it be dual licensed to go on the app store?

I'm no expert, but as I understand it, LibreOffice is licensed under the
LGPL, which should allow it to be used with DRM (whereas VLC was GPL).
In order for LibreOffice to change its license, it would need to get
an OK
from all its contributors, including Oracle, which is not too likely to
happen IMHO. But I don't think that's necessary in this case.

There is no DRM used on the Mac OS X App Store. There is DRM on the
Apple iOS AppStore. They are two separate entities. The FSF objections
are to the DRM on the iOS AppStore and do not apply to the OS X App
Store. Of course, the FSF objects to Apple and any other company that
does not give away their software for free.

Larry

Hi Larry,

DRM means Digital Rights Management and although it (apparently) has
been easily circumvented in the App store, there are indeed such control
mechanisms implemented:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1075297

A quick search shows confusing information about this (again):
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/02/poetic-justice-watch-crackulous-r
eleased-pirated-re-sold.ars
http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-20027731-264.html

Free in Free software refers to Freedom, not free as in $0 cost.
It's a common mistake, but the Free Software Foundation is not objecting
to anyone selling Free software. Quite the opposite, in fact, except the
software itself is not considering the only goods you would be
monetizing. This article should help understanding such model:
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html

Larry, knowing that you are the audience we seek, I'd like to know how
you found out about OOo (or Libreoffice, if you didn't know OOo before).
Perhaps that can provide other ways to better reach Mac audiences ?


Should it be possible to have a light Libò version for BlackBerry? This kind
of mobile phone is used by the majority of businessmen, I suppose it should be
useful to have it inside the phone.

What do you think?
The biggest problem with getting on mobile devices, is that they use 
java. from my impressions on the project as a whole and following the 
dev list is that they are trying to remove java all together. It would 
be interesting to get some developer feedback on this.


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