Re: [tdf-discuss] Enhancement Request: Comment Ranges

[Christoph Noack]

Hi Thorsten, all!

Am Sonntag, den 12.06.2011, 17:21 +0200 schrieb Thorsten Behrens:
> Christoph Noack wrote:
> > Mmh, I'm CCing Thorsten who may know whether/how this could be turned
> > into some easy/advanced/serious hack ... Since I'm currently not that
> > active, I don't really know what the current "hack" status is. Thorsten,
> > could you please have a look at that?
> > 
> Hi Chris, all,
> 
> well, the "how" is explained here:
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/EasyHacks_Bugzilla_Migration

Thanks a lot!

> Can someone posting in this thread & familiar with the scenario
> please collect the available information within a bug report & fill
> the appropriate whiteboard entries?

Mmh, seems that might be "me" :-) I added this and several other
EasyHacks related to "OOoNotes2" - our activities related to comments at
OpenOffice.org. Search in bugzilla:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc=OOoNotes2&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr

The cumbersome side of life: the whiteboard can only be added after the
bug has been initially committed

Do you know where to forward this feedback - there is also another one:
If you select "Writer" as component, then the following text appears ...

For all problems concerning the Word Processor including HTML
editor. If applicable, please use one of the following key words
in the Summary for more detailed specification: CONFIGURATION,
EDITING, FILEOPEN, FILESAVE, FORMATTING, MAILMEGE, TABLES,
PRINTING, UI, VIEWING.

I think it should be "MAILMERGE" (with R), or?

Cheers,
Christoph


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Enhancement Request: Comment Ranges

[adept techlists - kazar]

Ian Lynch 
June 12, 2011 11:51 AM



Even better if it was on the web so that documents could be created
collaboratively ;-)
Yes, that would be extremely nice, but given the many millions of people 
who have sporadic and/or slow connections, I would vote for first 
polishing up the collaboration features in the desktop app.


(if i have/had a vote somewhere)

kazar


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

[BRM]

- Original Message 

> From: Uwe Altmann 
> Am 10.06.11 15:55, schrieb BRM:
> > You know, usually when an  organization (such as TDF) is legally owned by  
> > another  organization …
> 
> I know it is difficult to understand if you're not in  (german) legal
> affairs: TDF once fonded as "Stiftung" (=foundation) will be  on it's own
> right and nor belong to not been owned by nobody but itself. What  we see
> now for transitional purposes is the solution of the "hen  and
> egg"-problem: You'll need a founder to found a foundation - and that  is
> FrODeV.

For whatever reason, no one seemed to get the point I was making in that 
e-mail, 
so I will respond once and leave it -

I was not saying that TDF does not exist, or anything else.
I was making the observation that TDF's website & materials make little mention 
of the fact that FroDeV is involved.
Therefore, to help reduce the comments by those that _do_ make that claim it 
would be beneficial for TDF to update its website to make reference to the 
existing legal status in the normal fashion of listing FroDeV and TDFs relation 
with it in the little section where the copyright/trademarks/etc are all 
mentioned on every page on the TDF website.

Again, just $0.02

Ben


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

[David Nelson]

Hi,

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 22:18, BRM  wrote:
> I was making the observation that TDF's website & materials make little 
> mention
> of the fact that FroDeV is involved.
> Therefore, to help reduce the comments by those that _do_ make that claim it
> would be beneficial for TDF to update its website to make reference to the
> existing legal status in the normal fashion of listing FroDeV and TDFs 
> relation
> with it in the little section where the copyright/trademarks/etc are all
> mentioned on every page on the TDF website.

It's my feeling that people who have been following and contributing
to the project are pretty well aware of which organization is handling
the founding.

You can find some explicit explanations on the Challenge fund-raising website:

http://challenge.documentfoundation.org/why/

As one of the people who have contributed to maintaining the
LibreOffice websites, I'm guessing that perhaps we've been waiting for
the founding to arrive at its conclusion before drafting updated info.

But I don't think that any of the project contributors - whether full
TDF members or not - have any lack of faith in the goodwill and
diligence of the SC on the subject of setting-up the foundation and
establishing the bylaws. In fact, I've been keenly interested in the
subject myself (I've brought it up at past SC meetings as a community
member) and can tell you that things have actually proceeded faster
than was originally envisioned.

2 cents, and HTH. ;-)

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

[Jim Jagielski]

On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:17 PM, David Nelson wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 22:18, BRM  wrote:
>> I was making the observation that TDF's website & materials make little 
>> mention
>> of the fact that FroDeV is involved.
>> Therefore, to help reduce the comments by those that _do_ make that claim it
>> would be beneficial for TDF to update its website to make reference to the
>> existing legal status in the normal fashion of listing FroDeV and TDFs 
>> relation
>> with it in the little section where the copyright/trademarks/etc are all
>> mentioned on every page on the TDF website.
> 
> It's my feeling that people who have been following and contributing
> to the project are pretty well aware of which organization is handling
> the founding.
> 

Not to beat a dead horse, but I think BRM's point wasn't
directed towards those who know, but rather instead the
large percentage of people out there who don't. There was,
and still is, the perception that TDF is an official, fully-
setup, self-controlled and self-existing foundation (similar
to what the ASF is). That perception was "beneficial" during
all the discussion and debate since it implied that, as
far as legal-status was concerned, TDF == The ASF and so
the discussion was able to be distilled down to copyleft
vs non-copyleft FOSS (as far as which foundation was "better"
for OOo)...

I am sure that someone on this list will see the above as
some sort of slam against TDF, but it's simply my interpretation
of what BRM was trying to say.


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

[BRM]

- Original Message 

> From: Jim Jagielski 
> On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:17 PM, David Nelson wrote:
> > On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 22:18, BRM   wrote:
> >> I was making the observation that TDF's website &  materials make little 
>mention
> >> of the fact that FroDeV is  involved.
> >> Therefore, to help reduce the comments by those that _do_  make that claim 
>it
> >> would be beneficial for TDF to update its website  to make reference to the
> >> existing legal status in the normal fashion  of listing FroDeV and TDFs 
>relation
> >> with it in the little section  where the copyright/trademarks/etc are all
> >> mentioned on every page  on the TDF website.
> > 
> > It's my feeling that people who have been  following and contributing
> > to the project are pretty well aware of which  organization is handling
> > the founding.
> > 
> 
> Not to beat a  dead horse, but I think BRM's point wasn't
> directed towards those who know,  but rather instead the
> large percentage of people out there who don't. There  was,
> and still is, the perception that TDF is an official, fully-
> setup,  self-controlled and self-existing foundation (similar
> to what the ASF is).  That perception was "beneficial" during
> all the discussion and debate since  it implied that, as
> far as legal-status was concerned, TDF == The ASF and  so
> the discussion was able to be distilled down to copyleft
> vs  non-copyleft FOSS (as far as which foundation was "better"
> for  OOo)...
> 
> I am sure that someone on this list will see the above as
> some  sort of slam against TDF, but it's simply my interpretation
> of what BRM was  trying to say.
> 

+1

Ben


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

[David Nelson]

Hi Jim, "BRM",

On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 00:43, Jim Jagielski  wrote:
> There was,
> and still is, the perception that TDF is an official, fully-
> setup, self-controlled and self-existing foundation (similar
> to what the ASF is)

Well, that perception is not far off the mark. It is certainly
self-controlled and a stable project insofar as it has strong support
from the FOSS community at large and the active LibreOffice project
contributors.

I guess that the fact that it collected the 50,000 euros necessary for
its legal establishment in only 8 days, from a multitude of small
donations, and then received some ~40,000 euros more within a short
time is some proof of that.

Perhaps the fact that TDF/LibreOffice has done excellent work in
further developing the code base and issuing new releases is proof
that TDF - currently represented by the existing SC - has proved
worthy of that support.

Personally, I'm very happy with what's been achieved, and I'm
optimistic for the project's future.

Again, this is just my own 2 cents.

BTW, I'm very happy to welcome you here to chew the fat with us. If
you really feel you have a different path forward that you want to
follow, then I sincerely wish you well with the endeavour. But you
have a lot of running to do in every area to catch up with us, guys!
;-)
The competition will be interesting and probably not without
beneficial aspects. But my bet on long-term survival and concrete
results is on TDF/LibreOffice.

In any case, please take all the above as being meant in the
friendliest tone. :-)

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Enhancement Request: Comment Ranges

[Charles Jenkins]

Thank you for everyone who commented on this. I'm actually getting a
little misty because you liked my idea...

Cristoph, heck, yes! Your proposal is perfect. If only, if only we had
that, I could delete Word off my Mac and have a party to celebrate.

Will you be posting the bug proposal as Thorsten suggested, or should I
learn how to do it?

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[steering-discuss] Fwd: Google Alert - libreoffice

[Italo Vignoli]

It looks like media are on our side.

Ask LH: Am I Missing Out By Sticking With Open Source And Not Buying
Microsoft ... on Lifehacker Australia


The Fall Of OpenOffice And Rise Of LibreOffice on Muktware


Bruce Byfield article on Linux Magazine linked by Muktware:
http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Blogs/Off-the-Beat-Bruce-Byfield-s-Blog/The-Decline-and-Fall-of-OpenOffice.org

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Enhancement Request: Comment Ranges

[Christoph Noack]

Hi Charles!

Am Montag, den 13.06.2011, 09:43 -0400 schrieb Charles Jenkins:
> Thank you for everyone who commented on this. I'm actually getting a
> little misty because you liked my idea...
> 
> Cristoph, heck, yes! Your proposal is perfect. If only, if only we had
> that, I could delete Word off my Mac and have a party to celebrate.

I will remember you to do that ;-)))

> Will you be posting the bug proposal as Thorsten suggested, or should I
> learn how to do it?

Oh, only a few minutes before you sent this mail I announced the issues
- here is the one related to "comment ranges":
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38244

All notes related easy hacks:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc=OOoNotes2&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr


What I'm currently unsure about - how to proceed. Although I'm not that
convinced about voting, maybe it should be added to:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Vote_for_Enhancement

Could you do that, please? Any other opinions?

Cheers,
Christoph


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[tdf-discuss] [Ping Florian] nntp gmane posts to user list still not getting to the list

[NoOp]

Florian,

Any idea when the issue with posting to the user list
(gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.user) ala your change from
@libreoffice.org to @global.libreoffice.org will be fixed? On that list
you are still missing contributions from gmane user/contributors. I
would have expected that the change would have tested *before* the
address change.

Thanks,

Gary


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[tdf-discuss] Triple licensing?

[Keith Curtis]

Hi all;

I had an idea that you could offer to let people triple-license their
changes. LibreOffice can become an upstream of Apache with this change. That
way people not interested in setting up build servers, etc. can work here
while Apache setup the infrastructure. Given the state of the code dump,
many people will not be able to contribute today, and this lets them.

I think this would be a nice invitation to the Apache community.

What do you think?

-Keith

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Re: [tdf-discuss] [Ping Florian] nntp gmane posts to user list still not getting to the list

[Florian Effenberger]

Hi Gary,

NoOp wrote on 2011-06-14 03.00:

Any idea when the issue with posting to the user list
(gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.user) ala your change from
@libreoffice.org to @global.libreoffice.org will be fixed? On that list
you are still missing contributions from gmane user/contributors. I
would have expected that the change would have tested*before*  the
address change.


I informed them days before we changed the address, they replied I 
should give them a ping *after* things have been changed. So I dod, 
minutes after the change was effective. We need to wait until they've 
incorporated the changes.


Florian

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