[steering-discuss] fixed time for SC calls
Hello, thanks to everyone who participated in the poll at http://www.doodle.com/bqcd2u4g5w5nfzqr! I am happy to announce the fixed times for future SC calls. For the weekend calls, it was rather clear: Saturday, 1400 UTC had 9 out of 9 votes. For the calls during the week, it was a bit harder to find the right combination of yes and when it has to be. I decided to better take 4 yes and 3 when it has to be, giving a total of 7 possible participants, rather than 5 yes and 0 when it has to be, giving a total of 5 participants. I will keep the Doodle poll online, so if we discover that when it has to be effectively reflects to not participating, we can take another slot. Anyways, the call during the week will be at Wednesday, 1600 UTC and I propose that this week, we start doing it on Wednesday, as some SC members are not available this Saturday due to the QA weekend taking place in Essen. In a nutshell, the next calls: Wednesday, June 15th, 1600 UTC Saturday, June 25th, 1400 UTC Looking forward to hearing you! Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] fixed time for SC calls
On 6/13/11 2:04 PM, Florian Effenberger wrote: Wednesday, June 15th, 1600 UTC Saturday, June 25th, 1400 UTC Both in my calendar. Tomorrow I will be connected for the first 30 minutes, as I have a meeting planned for 6:30PM CET. -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] fixed time for SC calls
On 6/13/11 2:24 PM, Florian Effenberger wrote: you mean the day after tomorrow. :) Next call is on Wednesday, not tomorrow. Of course, but until July 28, when I will leave for my holidays, I will be a PITA because I'm too tired (actually, I've never been so tired in my life). -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] proposed bylaws changes
Hi guys, Counting votes we had: Florian, Charles, Andre, Olivier, Italo and Sophie voting in favour; so I've made all of the edits in the wiki. HTH, Michael. -- michael.me...@novell.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] proposed bylaws changes
Hi Michael, On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 23:20, Michael Meeks michael.me...@novell.com wrote: Hi David, Thanks for these, really makes it cleaner, I applied them all - they seem un-controversial etc. Cool, thanks. :-) -- David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Enhancement Request: Comment Ranges
Hi Thorsten, all! Am Sonntag, den 12.06.2011, 17:21 +0200 schrieb Thorsten Behrens: Christoph Noack wrote: Mmh, I'm CCing Thorsten who may know whether/how this could be turned into some easy/advanced/serious hack ... Since I'm currently not that active, I don't really know what the current hack status is. Thorsten, could you please have a look at that? Hi Chris, all, well, the how is explained here: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/EasyHacks_Bugzilla_Migration Thanks a lot! Can someone posting in this thread familiar with the scenario please collect the available information within a bug report fill the appropriate whiteboard entries? Mmh, seems that might be me :-) I added this and several other EasyHacks related to OOoNotes2 - our activities related to comments at OpenOffice.org. Search in bugzilla: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advancedshort_desc=OOoNotes2bug_status=NEWbug_status=ASSIGNEDbug_status=REOPENEDshort_desc_type=allwordssubstr The cumbersome side of life: the whiteboard can only be added after the bug has been initially committed Do you know where to forward this feedback - there is also another one: If you select Writer as component, then the following text appears ... For all problems concerning the Word Processor including HTML editor. If applicable, please use one of the following key words in the Summary for more detailed specification: CONFIGURATION, EDITING, FILEOPEN, FILESAVE, FORMATTING, MAILMEGE, TABLES, PRINTING, UI, VIEWING. I think it should be MAILMERGE (with R), or? Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Enhancement Request: Comment Ranges
Ian Lynch mailto:ianrly...@gmail.com June 12, 2011 11:51 AM Even better if it was on the web so that documents could be created collaboratively ;-) Yes, that would be extremely nice, but given the many millions of people who have sporadic and/or slow connections, I would vote for first polishing up the collaboration features in the desktop app. (if i have/had a vote somewhere) kazar -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice
- Original Message From: Uwe Altmann o...@altsys.de Am 10.06.11 15:55, schrieb BRM: You know, usually when an organization (such as TDF) is legally owned by another organization … I know it is difficult to understand if you're not in (german) legal affairs: TDF once fonded as Stiftung (=foundation) will be on it's own right and nor belong to not been owned by nobody but itself. What we see now for transitional purposes is the solution of the hen and egg-problem: You'll need a founder to found a foundation - and that is FrODeV. For whatever reason, no one seemed to get the point I was making in that e-mail, so I will respond once and leave it - I was not saying that TDF does not exist, or anything else. I was making the observation that TDF's website materials make little mention of the fact that FroDeV is involved. Therefore, to help reduce the comments by those that _do_ make that claim it would be beneficial for TDF to update its website to make reference to the existing legal status in the normal fashion of listing FroDeV and TDFs relation with it in the little section where the copyright/trademarks/etc are all mentioned on every page on the TDF website. Again, just $0.02 Ben -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice
Hi, On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 22:18, BRM bm_witn...@yahoo.com wrote: I was making the observation that TDF's website materials make little mention of the fact that FroDeV is involved. Therefore, to help reduce the comments by those that _do_ make that claim it would be beneficial for TDF to update its website to make reference to the existing legal status in the normal fashion of listing FroDeV and TDFs relation with it in the little section where the copyright/trademarks/etc are all mentioned on every page on the TDF website. It's my feeling that people who have been following and contributing to the project are pretty well aware of which organization is handling the founding. You can find some explicit explanations on the Challenge fund-raising website: http://challenge.documentfoundation.org/why/ As one of the people who have contributed to maintaining the LibreOffice websites, I'm guessing that perhaps we've been waiting for the founding to arrive at its conclusion before drafting updated info. But I don't think that any of the project contributors - whether full TDF members or not - have any lack of faith in the goodwill and diligence of the SC on the subject of setting-up the foundation and establishing the bylaws. In fact, I've been keenly interested in the subject myself (I've brought it up at past SC meetings as a community member) and can tell you that things have actually proceeded faster than was originally envisioned. 2 cents, and HTH. ;-) -- David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice
On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:17 PM, David Nelson wrote: Hi, On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 22:18, BRM bm_witn...@yahoo.com wrote: I was making the observation that TDF's website materials make little mention of the fact that FroDeV is involved. Therefore, to help reduce the comments by those that _do_ make that claim it would be beneficial for TDF to update its website to make reference to the existing legal status in the normal fashion of listing FroDeV and TDFs relation with it in the little section where the copyright/trademarks/etc are all mentioned on every page on the TDF website. It's my feeling that people who have been following and contributing to the project are pretty well aware of which organization is handling the founding. Not to beat a dead horse, but I think BRM's point wasn't directed towards those who know, but rather instead the large percentage of people out there who don't. There was, and still is, the perception that TDF is an official, fully- setup, self-controlled and self-existing foundation (similar to what the ASF is). That perception was beneficial during all the discussion and debate since it implied that, as far as legal-status was concerned, TDF == The ASF and so the discussion was able to be distilled down to copyleft vs non-copyleft FOSS (as far as which foundation was better for OOo)... I am sure that someone on this list will see the above as some sort of slam against TDF, but it's simply my interpretation of what BRM was trying to say. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice
- Original Message From: Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:17 PM, David Nelson wrote: On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 22:18, BRM bm_witn...@yahoo.com wrote: I was making the observation that TDF's website materials make little mention of the fact that FroDeV is involved. Therefore, to help reduce the comments by those that _do_ make that claim it would be beneficial for TDF to update its website to make reference to the existing legal status in the normal fashion of listing FroDeV and TDFs relation with it in the little section where the copyright/trademarks/etc are all mentioned on every page on the TDF website. It's my feeling that people who have been following and contributing to the project are pretty well aware of which organization is handling the founding. Not to beat a dead horse, but I think BRM's point wasn't directed towards those who know, but rather instead the large percentage of people out there who don't. There was, and still is, the perception that TDF is an official, fully- setup, self-controlled and self-existing foundation (similar to what the ASF is). That perception was beneficial during all the discussion and debate since it implied that, as far as legal-status was concerned, TDF == The ASF and so the discussion was able to be distilled down to copyleft vs non-copyleft FOSS (as far as which foundation was better for OOo)... I am sure that someone on this list will see the above as some sort of slam against TDF, but it's simply my interpretation of what BRM was trying to say. +1 Ben -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice
Hi Jim, BRM, On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 00:43, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: There was, and still is, the perception that TDF is an official, fully- setup, self-controlled and self-existing foundation (similar to what the ASF is) Well, that perception is not far off the mark. It is certainly self-controlled and a stable project insofar as it has strong support from the FOSS community at large and the active LibreOffice project contributors. I guess that the fact that it collected the 50,000 euros necessary for its legal establishment in only 8 days, from a multitude of small donations, and then received some ~40,000 euros more within a short time is some proof of that. Perhaps the fact that TDF/LibreOffice has done excellent work in further developing the code base and issuing new releases is proof that TDF - currently represented by the existing SC - has proved worthy of that support. Personally, I'm very happy with what's been achieved, and I'm optimistic for the project's future. Again, this is just my own 2 cents. BTW, I'm very happy to welcome you here to chew the fat with us. If you really feel you have a different path forward that you want to follow, then I sincerely wish you well with the endeavour. But you have a lot of running to do in every area to catch up with us, guys! ;-) The competition will be interesting and probably not without beneficial aspects. But my bet on long-term survival and concrete results is on TDF/LibreOffice. In any case, please take all the above as being meant in the friendliest tone. :-) -- David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Enhancement Request: Comment Ranges
Thank you for everyone who commented on this. I'm actually getting a little misty because you liked my idea... Cristoph, heck, yes! Your proposal is perfect. If only, if only we had that, I could delete Word off my Mac and have a party to celebrate. Will you be posting the bug proposal as Thorsten suggested, or should I learn how to do it? -- Charles . PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION: The information contained in this electronic transmission, and any documents attached hereto, may contain confidential information that is legally privileged and confidential. The information is intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named above. If you have received this electronic message in error, please notify the sender and delete the electronic message. Any disclosure, copying, distribution or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of the information received in error is strictly prohibited. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[steering-discuss] Fwd: Google Alert - libreoffice
It looks like media are on our side. Ask LH: Am I Missing Out By Sticking With Open Source And Not Buying Microsoft ... on Lifehacker Australia http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2011/06/ask-lh-am-i-missing-out-by-sticking-with-open-source-and-not-buying-microsoft-office/ The Fall Of OpenOffice And Rise Of LibreOffice on Muktware http://www.muktware.com/hacksheet/1399 Bruce Byfield article on Linux Magazine linked by Muktware: http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Blogs/Off-the-Beat-Bruce-Byfield-s-Blog/The-Decline-and-Fall-of-OpenOffice.org -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Enhancement Request: Comment Ranges
Hi Charles! Am Montag, den 13.06.2011, 09:43 -0400 schrieb Charles Jenkins: Thank you for everyone who commented on this. I'm actually getting a little misty because you liked my idea... Cristoph, heck, yes! Your proposal is perfect. If only, if only we had that, I could delete Word off my Mac and have a party to celebrate. I will remember you to do that ;-))) Will you be posting the bug proposal as Thorsten suggested, or should I learn how to do it? Oh, only a few minutes before you sent this mail I announced the issues - here is the one related to comment ranges: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38244 All notes related easy hacks: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advancedshort_desc=OOoNotes2bug_status=NEWbug_status=ASSIGNEDbug_status=REOPENEDshort_desc_type=allwordssubstr What I'm currently unsure about - how to proceed. Although I'm not that convinced about voting, maybe it should be added to: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Vote_for_Enhancement Could you do that, please? Any other opinions? Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] [Ping Florian] nntp gmane posts to user list still not getting to the list
Florian, Any idea when the issue with posting to the user list (gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.user) ala your change from @libreoffice.org to @global.libreoffice.org will be fixed? On that list you are still missing contributions from gmane user/contributors. I would have expected that the change would have tested *before* the address change. Thanks, Gary -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Triple licensing?
Hi all; I had an idea that you could offer to let people triple-license their changes. LibreOffice can become an upstream of Apache with this change. That way people not interested in setting up build servers, etc. can work here while Apache setup the infrastructure. Given the state of the code dump, many people will not be able to contribute today, and this lets them. I think this would be a nice invitation to the Apache community. What do you think? -Keith -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
