Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list?
I think part of the problem is the rise of client server databases with the internet. It's a bit of an irony because to start with OOo used the principle of connecting to a database rather than including the old Addabas that was with StarOffice. Snag now is that even if the use of Base is minority it's difficult to withdraw it without upsetting them. Ian Sent from my Android Smartphone. www.theingots.org On 13 Sep 2011 00:16, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) Done that. Been there. It didn't work. Base is dying. Can we just admit that and remove it from LO? Regards from Tom :) --- On Mon, 12/9/11, Thorsten Behrens t...@documentfoundation.org wrote: From: Thorsten Behrens t...@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list? To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Date: Monday, 12 September, 2011, 15:34 Tom Davies wrote: Do you mean how many expressed an interest and tried to give it a go during t... -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list?
On 13/09/2011 08:43, Ian Lynch wrote: I think part of the problem is the rise of client server databases with the internet. It's a bit of an irony because to start with OOo used the principle of connecting to a database rather than including the old Addabas that was with StarOffice. Snag now is that even if the use of Base is minority it's difficult to withdraw it without upsetting them. Ian Sent from my Android Smartphone. www.theingots.org On 13 Sep 2011 00:16, Tom Daviestomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) Done that. Been there. It didn't work. Base is dying. Can we just admit that and remove it from LO? Regards from Tom :) Why not find a way to integrate connectivity to all the major databases such as mysql and MsSQL servers? --- On Mon, 12/9/11, Thorsten Behrenst...@documentfoundation.org wrote: From: Thorsten Behrenst...@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list? To: Tom Daviestomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Date: Monday, 12 September, 2011, 15:34 Tom Davies wrote: Do you mean how many expressed an interest and tried to give it a go during t... -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[steering-discuss] Off-topic - please move to discuss@ (was: Re: Base - a new mailing list?)
Tom, Ian, please move the discussion over to the discuss@ list. If there's any code questions (and there were people interested in the long-dormant postgres-connector), that should go to libreoff...@lists.freedesktop.org. Thanks, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list?
Tom Davies wrote: Done that. Been there. It didn't work. Base is dying. Can we just admit that and remove it from LO? Hi Tom, why do you think it's dying? And removing it from LO is not an option for me. People using it need to step up, and start getting involved - and I'm sure they will. Free software is a lot about scratching your itches - if something does not work properly, get your hands dirty try fixing it. We'll all happily answer code questions over at libreoff...@lists.freedesktop.org Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list?
Hi :) Base does support a lot of different back-ends but it needs to have a default one. The current default seems to be quite troublesome so people are often told to use something else such PostGreSql or MariaDb / MySql. MariaDb is the same as MySql except that it is developing fast and has almost all the MySql community including the original developers. The community were even more unhappy with being under Oracle than they were under Sun so they forked off and formed a new organisation so that they could push through a large number of bug-fixes and developments that Sun / Oracle had been blocking for years. I did mention this earlier in this thread but i know it's difficult to keep track of issues like that when this list is not focused on Base so i guess i have to mention it again. MySql is in roughly the same state as OOo before Apache got involved. MariaDb is a drop-in replacement with a much stronger future. Clearly people on this list don't know much about usign Base. When you open Base the first thing it asks is which back-end you would like to use and there is a drop-down that includes the various back-ends mentioned and more but has a default of HqSql. Again i guess it's something that people on this list might not be aware of so it's a opint that will probably have to be mentioned several times in the course of any discussion about Base in this or any of the other existing lists. If the PostGreSql people could be encouraged to send some devs to work on Base then that would be a huge help and would greatly help tighter integration with that particular back-end. It would be nice to include other people that are interested in working on various aspects of Base, eg doumentation, devs, maybe design etc but not all those people are on this list. Perhaps one way would be to cross-post any discussion about Base so that all the lists got any post about Base? That would neatly avoid having to set-up a new list and still reach the various different people :) Regards from Tom :) --- On Tue, 13/9/11, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote: From: Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list? To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Date: Tuesday, 13 September, 2011, 9:17 On 13 September 2011 07:47, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.comwrote: On 13/09/2011 08:43, Ian Lynch wrote: I think part of the problem is the rise of client server databases with the internet. It's a bit of an irony because to start with OOo used the principle of connecting to a database rather than including the old Addabas that was with StarOffice. Snag now is that even if the use of Base is minority it's difficult to withdraw it without upsetting them. Ian Sent from my Android Smartphone. www.theingots.org On 13 Sep 2011 00:16, Tom Daviestomdavie...@yahoo.co.**uktomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) Done that. Been there. It didn't work. Base is dying. Can we just admit that and remove it from LO? Regards from Tom :) Why not find a way to integrate connectivity to all the major databases such as mysql and MsSQL servers? This was the method in the early days. I assume it still works. At the weekend at the Apache Bar Camp I was talking to PostgreSQL developers who are very interested in better integration with OOo/Libo. We are likely to be working together on training and certification so there are possibilities to get some funding to this development but its going to take a little time. They are applying for FP7 funding through the EU and we can complement that with Lifelong Learning projects. --- On Mon, 12/9/11, Thorsten Behrensthb@**documentfoundation.orgt...@documentfoundation.org wrote: From: Thorsten Behrensthb@**documentfoundation.orgt...@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list? To: Tom Daviestomdavie...@yahoo.co.**uk tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: steering-discuss@**documentfoundation.orgsteering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Date: Monday, 12 September, 2011, 15:34 Tom Davies wrote: Do you mean how many expressed an interest and tried to give it a go during t... -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+help@** documentfoundation.org steering-discuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**documentfoundation.org/www/** steering-discuss/http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ) www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 The Learning Machine Limited, Reg
Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list?
Hi :) As i keep pointing out TDF started up almost exactly 1 year ago. All the other apps have a number of people that work on them or happily move between the different apps but none touch base. Quirks and regressions are quite common in Base between one release of LO and another. The regressions sometimes get posted as bug-reports but almost no devs are working on Base so they don't get fixed. The current 'plan' of sitwait has NOT worked during the last 1 year and shows no sign of working soon. It would be nice to have a list dedicated to Base where we could discuss issues about how to re-invigorate that part of the project. Regards from Tom :) --- On Tue, 13/9/11, Thorsten Behrens t...@documentfoundation.org wrote: From: Thorsten Behrens t...@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list? To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Date: Tuesday, 13 September, 2011, 9:25 Tom Davies wrote: Done that. Been there. It didn't work. Base is dying. Can we just admit that and remove it from LO? Hi Tom, why do you think it's dying? And removing it from LO is not an option for me. People using it need to step up, and start getting involved - and I'm sure they will. Free software is a lot about scratching your itches - if something does not work properly, get your hands dirty try fixing it. We'll all happily answer code questions over at libreoff...@lists.freedesktop.org Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list?
Hi :) Hmmm, if you depend on Base then i think it's about time you start looking into switching to Kexi. It supports a variety of back-ends, just as Base does, but it does have a large number of devs actively working on it. I think we have to start recommending Kexi to anyone that has any problem with Base as Base's problems are unlikely to get fixed given the determination here of blocking any plans to develop a Base community within TDF. Regards from Tom :) --- On Tue, 13/9/11, Thorsten Behrens t...@documentfoundation.org wrote: From: Thorsten Behrens t...@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list? To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Date: Tuesday, 13 September, 2011, 9:25 Tom Davies wrote: Done that. Been there. It didn't work. Base is dying. Can we just admit that and remove it from LO? Hi Tom, why do you think it's dying? And removing it from LO is not an option for me. People using it need to step up, and start getting involved - and I'm sure they will. Free software is a lot about scratching your itches - if something does not work properly, get your hands dirty try fixing it. We'll all happily answer code questions over at libreoff...@lists.freedesktop.org Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Off-topic - please move to discuss@
Hi Tom, Tom Davies wrote on 2011-09-13 10:48: I am sorry but there is NO suitable list to discuss Base. Almost no-one that has expressed any interest in working on Base is on the list you discuss and they are not willing to join a high-traffic list that knows nothing about using Base. this is the *wrong* list to discuss about base. *Please* move the discussion over to discuss@, as Thorsten asked. Thanks, Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Off-topic - please move to discuss@
Hi Florian, this is the *wrong* list to discuss about base. *Please* move the discussion over to discuss@, as Thorsten asked. Well, maybe it's not really so off-topic, IMHO. I think it's an issue that Tom - and maybe even others - really want to put before the SC. Every time I read about Base in the lists, people seem to be complaining that not only is it not improving or being developed from release to release but that it's even regressing over time. Yet, IMHO, having a database component in LibO is a tremendous asset, both functionality-wise and marketing-wise. While I'm sure that people understand that the SC can't create resources (manpower or financial) out of nothing, there is nonetheless a not-inconsiderable number of people that would like to see the SC regard Base as an urgent issue for which to try and find *some* solution: fix it? Bring in another database product with an active developer community to replace it? 2 cents. -- David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Off-topic - please move to discuss@
2011/9/13 Thorsten Behrens t...@documentfoundation.org Hi David, you wrote: While I'm sure that people understand that the SC can't create resources (manpower or financial) out of nothing, there is nonetheless a not-inconsiderable number of people that would like to see the SC regard Base as an urgent issue for which to try and find *some* solution: fix it? Bring in another database product with an active developer community to replace it? Personally, I do consider the situation around Base as not satisfying - whether it is urgent yet I cannot fully ascertain, since I don't really use it. Hi =) I understand you are not one of those who would work on Base at this moment, just like Tom and the others he's citing are willing. Beyond that, what do you expect us to do - since the items you list there all require significant work? How about giving them the resources they are asking for developing their job, and foster their activities? =) The general notion here was that having a separate Base list would not serve the purpose - so what other, concrete proposals are there to discuss within the SC? The general notion you're saying, IMHO, comes from people who are not directly involved in Base's issue itself. How many of those people who are saying no to the creation of the new list will be directly working on Base? If there are none yet, I'd indeed appreciate it if general brainstorming would *not* happen on this list. Maybe you should invite people who are willing to contribute on Base to jump in this discussion, wherever it should happen. My 2 cents. Cheers, -- Thorsten Cheers. -- Paulo de Souza Lima Técnico em Eletrônica e Administrador http://www.pasl.net.br http://almalivre.wordpress.com Curitiba - PR Linux User #432358 Ubuntu User #28729 For people to achieve peace in their relationships, spiritual peace and the peace among people, it's necessary, earlier, to win the internal battle between virtues and defects - Talal Husseini - Acropolitan Philosopher -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Off-topic - please move to discuss@
The general notion here was that having a separate Base list would not serve the purpose - so what other, concrete proposals are there to discuss within the SC? The general notion you're saying, IMHO, comes from people who are not directly involved in Base's issue itself. How many of those people who are saying no to the creation of the new list will be directly working on Base? If there are none yet, I'd indeed appreciate it if general brainstorming would *not* happen on this list. Maybe you should invite people who are willing to contribute on Base to jump in this discussion, wherever it should happen. Why would a Base list not help? It would at least provide a potential focus? So providing a Base list seems like a concrete proposal :-) My 2 cents. Cheers, -- Thorsten Cheers. -- Paulo de Souza Lima Técnico em Eletrônica e Administrador http://www.pasl.net.br http://almalivre.wordpress.com Curitiba - PR Linux User #432358 Ubuntu User #28729 For people to achieve peace in their relationships, spiritual peace and the peace among people, it's necessary, earlier, to win the internal battle between virtues and defects - Talal Husseini - Acropolitan Philosopher -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ) www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Off-topic - please move to discuss@
Hello Ian, Tom, Paulo, 2011/9/13 Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com The general notion here was that having a separate Base list would not serve the purpose - so what other, concrete proposals are there to discuss within the SC? The general notion you're saying, IMHO, comes from people who are not directly involved in Base's issue itself. How many of those people who are saying no to the creation of the new list will be directly working on Base? If there are none yet, I'd indeed appreciate it if general brainstorming would *not* happen on this list. Maybe you should invite people who are willing to contribute on Base to jump in this discussion, wherever it should happen. Why would a Base list not help? It would at least provide a potential focus? So providing a Base list seems like a concrete proposal :-) Concrete proposals are: - a bugfix - a patch for a new feature (might be matching one or more easy hacks) - bug reports - UX testing - marketing collaterals - Design Requests For Enhancements studies - documentation writing - localization work The rest is not a concrete proposal. A concrete proposal of a new mailing list is nothing. It's an invitation to talk, and talk is *very cheap*. Talking is not doing. Talking is not contributing. As far as I can see no one of the several volunteers demanding a Base mailing list are doing anything of the above. You have a patch? you have code? you have bug reports? Do you have anything of the above? If you have anything of the above, you will realize something: it's already happening and being documented through a mailing list :-) Thanks, Charles. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Off-topic - please move to discuss@
On 13 September 2011 13:32, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hello Ian, Tom, Paulo, 2011/9/13 Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com The general notion here was that having a separate Base list would not serve the purpose - so what other, concrete proposals are there to discuss within the SC? The general notion you're saying, IMHO, comes from people who are not directly involved in Base's issue itself. How many of those people who are saying no to the creation of the new list will be directly working on Base? If there are none yet, I'd indeed appreciate it if general brainstorming would *not* happen on this list. Maybe you should invite people who are willing to contribute on Base to jump in this discussion, wherever it should happen. Why would a Base list not help? It would at least provide a potential focus? So providing a Base list seems like a concrete proposal :-) Concrete proposals are: - a bugfix - a patch for a new feature (might be matching one or more easy hacks) - bug reports - UX testing - marketing collaterals - Design Requests For Enhancements studies - documentation writing - localization work The rest is not a concrete proposal. A concrete proposal of a new mailing list is nothing. It's an invitation to talk, and talk is *very cheap*. Charles I have now had 2 responses from you in the last few minutes which have a tone that seems at best pretty negative. I'm not sure why you are upset with me. I certainly know talk is cheap, but then courtesy doesn't cost anything either. Don't worry, I will go to places where things are a little more cordial. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ) www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Off-topic - please move to discuss@
Ian, 2011/9/13 Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com On 13 September 2011 13:32, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hello Ian, Tom, Paulo, 2011/9/13 Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com The general notion here was that having a separate Base list would not serve the purpose - so what other, concrete proposals are there to discuss within the SC? The general notion you're saying, IMHO, comes from people who are not directly involved in Base's issue itself. How many of those people who are saying no to the creation of the new list will be directly working on Base? If there are none yet, I'd indeed appreciate it if general brainstorming would *not* happen on this list. Maybe you should invite people who are willing to contribute on Base to jump in this discussion, wherever it should happen. Why would a Base list not help? It would at least provide a potential focus? So providing a Base list seems like a concrete proposal :-) Concrete proposals are: - a bugfix - a patch for a new feature (might be matching one or more easy hacks) - bug reports - UX testing - marketing collaterals - Design Requests For Enhancements studies - documentation writing - localization work The rest is not a concrete proposal. A concrete proposal of a new mailing list is nothing. It's an invitation to talk, and talk is *very cheap*. Charles I have now had 2 responses from you in the last few minutes which have a tone that seems at best pretty negative. I'm not sure why you are upset with me. I certainly know talk is cheap, but then courtesy doesn't cost anything either. Don't worry, I will go to places where things are a little more cordial. I'm sorry if my answer(s) sounded unpolite. They're not only meant to be clear. best, Charles. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ) www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Off-topic - please move to discuss@
Hello, may I jump in here? I think the topic is cooking a bit too hot. This list is *SOLELY* for discussions and votes of the steering committee, and for requests to the steering committee. The traffic here is groing and groing, and puts the initial purpose - track records of decisions - *TOTALLY* ad absurdum. So, please *ONLY* use this list when you want to request something from the steering committee. Discussions that lead to these request *SHOULD* take place on the discuss mailing list, and *NOT* here. We already have reached a level where it is totally impossible to track votes and decisions, as the noise on this list has grown rapidly. Everyone contributed to this, including SC members like myself who did reply on this list, but in the future, we really need to take care of this. So, in a nutshell: Requesting the SC to vote on a mailing list is of course valid for this list, but discussions what Base lacks and what not, and what other products should be used, are simply *WRONG* on this list. Please use discuss@ instead. It helps all of us if we clearly know which list is used for what purpose. Ask yourself: Does my mail contain a direct request or question to the steering committee? If not, it does *NOT* belong to this list, but rather on discuss@, where all SC members read as well. On the concrete request, of course the SC may be called to formally vote, but I want to repeat my thoughts: I would *VERY* *MUCH* appreciate if we could *FIRST* see if things work out, by building a workgroup that can discuss on discuss@ and develop on libreoffice@fdo. If, and *ONLY* if, this group works constantly and has enough members, a separate mailing list makes sense. As much as I do want to provide people any workground they need to engage, I *REALLY* would like to avoid thousands of unused lists. So, please *FIRST* show that something is going on, and *THEN* let's discuss if a separate list makes sense. Sorry if that mail sounds harsh, but I hope it makes some things a bit clear... So, please, any replies with regards to the mailing list question, on this list, and any other discussion about base on discuss@. Please, folks, we're really losing track on what we intend to discuss here. Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Off-topic - please move to discuss@ (was: Re: Base - a new mailing list?)
Hi Thorsten, On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Thorsten Behrens t...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Tom, Ian, please move the discussion over to the discuss@ list. If there's any code questions (and there were people interested in the long-dormant postgres-connector), that should go to libreoff...@lists.freedesktop.org. Thanks, -- Thorsten You'll probably read what I replied to Florian about this being off-topic to the SC list. Maybe this is a matter of community members wanting to be able to discuss an issue with the SC, and the SC discuss list being the place to do it? I know there are no easy, immediate solutions, but there are people who would like to see the SC regard this Base issue as being something important to deal with. -- David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Off-topic - please move to discuss@
Hi David, David Nelson wrote on 2011-09-13 11:59: I know there are no easy, immediate solutions, but there are people who would like to see the SC regard this Base issue as being something important to deal with. that's fine, of course. My point is not that the SC does not want to get involved into this - my point is that more and more discussions are moved to this mailing list rather than where they belong, effectively rendering the initial approach of this list useless (trackability and transparency of SC decisions and votes). Try to look at the list archives, and try to identify the votes of the SC easily and quickly: it's impossible. That's my point. Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Off-topic - please move to discuss@
Hi Florian, I perfectly understand your point. It is not helpful when you declare a thread to be a vote among SC members and then people jump in with friendly and encouraging comments, because then the SC can't vote properly and unambiguously. Maybe label vote threads as SC VOTE:? Then people should definitely refrain from jumping-in on those threads. -- David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Off-topic - please move to discuss@
Hi, David Nelson wrote on 2011-09-13 16:22: Maybe label vote threads as SC VOTE:? the thing is: This whole list should be only - SC vote - SC discuss - request to SC any *nothing* else. Any other discussion should be on the appropriate lists, i.e. discuss@. That's my point. :) Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Off-topic - please move to discuss@
Hi David, * Von: David Nelson li...@traduction.biz I perfectly understand your point. It is not helpful when you declare a thread to be a vote among SC members and then people jump in with friendly and encouraging comments, because then the SC can't vote properly and unambiguously. Maybe label vote threads as SC VOTE:? Then people should definitely refrain from jumping-in on those threads. I doubt that people would refrain - obviously some people (at least one person) can not resist to countiously discuss here at the list, even if asked to move the topic to other list (because *there* are the right people for discussion). regards, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] SPI donation page
Hi Sophie, Sophie Gautier wrote on 2011-09-11 12:57: - provide a donation description, something like: Donation to support the LibreOffice projet. The LibreOffice office suite is base on the ODF file format standard, includes features such as a text processor, a spreadsheet and presentation and database modules. It is used by individual and organization worldwide. (copied from the Debian one ;), - a receipt message (up to 800 chars) like Thank you for your contribution in support of the LibreOffice project and The Document Foundation. something better is welcome. especially following today's discussions, can you ask that on marketing@global? ;) I guess especially #1 is something for our marketeers to work on. Thanks, Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list?
Hi, On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com wrote: Why not find a way to integrate connectivity to all the major databases such as mysql and MsSQL servers? Yes, that would be great indeed. I can hear Michael Meeks thinking, Well start developing the code then. Anyway, I think it would be a great pity to give up on Base, because it has the potential to be an enormous power feature of the LibreOffice suite. As a general thing in the LibreOffice project, I think we need to think seriously about a determined recruitment drive, for Base and for various other areas of the project. Just waiting for people to volunteer does not seem to be enough to cater to our needs for contributors. Marketing guys, can you give this consideration? -- David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list?
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:05 AM, David Nelson li...@traduction.biz wrote: Hi, On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com wrote: Why not find a way to integrate connectivity to all the major databases such as mysql and MsSQL servers? Yes, that would be great indeed. I can hear Michael Meeks thinking, Well start developing the code then. Anyway, I think it would be a great pity to give up on Base, because it has the potential to be an enormous power feature of the LibreOffice suite. As a general thing in the LibreOffice project, I think we need to think seriously about a determined recruitment drive, for Base and for various other areas of the project. Just waiting for people to volunteer does not seem to be enough to cater to our needs for contributors. Marketing guys, can you give this consideration? yes but not _here_ Norbert -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list?
Norbert Thiebaud wrote (13-09-11 22:49) yes but not _here_ Indeed - see the marketing list ;-) -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Error in scripting framework
Cor , +1 greetz Fernand Hi Olivier, Olivier Hallot wrote (12-09-11 17:39) Couldn't we write just Oh dear, I am unable to find a macro you asked me to execute!? Would the following be acceptable: Error: the macro you are trying to execute (libName.modName.fnName) could not be found. Cheers, -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] strange tooltip rendering color in kde
In data lunedì 12 settembre 2011 21:30:54, MiguelAngel ha scritto: Have you tried with Menu/Tools/Options/LibreOffice/View - Graphics out.? Yes, and there are no options for that. Maybe a new option in Tools/Options/Layout for the choice of this kind of color should be useful. If anybody hasn't done it yet, I'll open a bug in LibreOffice, because it seems a bug of its own. Ciao El 12/09/11 19:10, Valter Mura escribi:Hi All, I want to advise a little problem of visualization in LibreOffice with KDE/Kubuntu. After the update to KDE 4.7 (from which I'm writing), the tooltips that appear in Libreoffice windows are unreadable, due to a strange behaviour or the colors: tooltip background dark and characters dark. They are obviously unreadable. This issue involves , AFAIK, only LibreOffice, because the other programs have a correct rendering (background dark / characters light), with the predefined combination of colors. Does anybody have the same problem? Now I wonder: if I want to mantain the present combination, how can we solve this annoying issue? Kubuntu 11.04 (Natty) KDE 4.7 LibreOffice 3.3.3 TIA, ciao -- Valter Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org *Open Source is better!* KDE: www.kde.org Kubuntu Linux: www.kubuntu.org LibreOffice: www.libreoffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Off-topic - please move to discuss@
Hi David, you wrote: While I'm sure that people understand that the SC can't create resources (manpower or financial) out of nothing, there is nonetheless a not-inconsiderable number of people that would like to see the SC regard Base as an urgent issue for which to try and find *some* solution: fix it? Bring in another database product with an active developer community to replace it? Personally, I do consider the situation around Base as not satisfying - whether it is urgent yet I cannot fully ascertain, since I don't really use it. Beyond that, what do you expect us to do - since the items you list there all require significant work? The general notion here was that having a separate Base list would not serve the purpose - so what other, concrete proposals are there to discuss within the SC? If there are none yet, I'd indeed appreciate it if general brainstorming would *not* happen on this list. Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Lotus Wordpro files
On Wed, 2011-08-31 at 11:06 -0400, subs wrote: On 8/31/2011 10:54 AM, Caolán McNamara wrote: We don't have a lot of these document for testing. Two actually :-), Sent this early. http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/plain/lotuswordpro/qa/cppunit/data/pass/A14.lwp http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/plain/lotuswordpro/qa/cppunit/data/pass/IntPres11-2004.lwp are the two docs, downloaded locally they work for me in 3.4. Do you have some docs, which you can share, which used to open in some LibO, or go-oo or something, which no longer do ? C. I could probably find a couple. Would you like me to email them directly to you? Not really, I'm looking more for public documents which could be worked into regular regression tests or into a document repository for occasional regression tests. C. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?
On 2011-09-12 8:42 PM, Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net wrote: On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 05:06:49PM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: On 2011-09-11 9:47 PM, Ken Springersnowsh...@q.com wrote: Even if they did push it through, if no one enforces the eventual rule, the time will be wasted. I'd prefer interspersion, as I almost always have to scroll around somewhere in order to remember what was being replied to. Most people who advocate for bottom posting really mean inline, aka 'interspersed' posting anyway... I think you will find that most people are smart enough to know the difference. I think you overestimate the intelligence of 'most people'. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Paris Conference Programme Uploaded, please share!
Hello everyone, The 1st LibreOffice Conference Programme and schedule is online here: http://conference.libreoffice.org/programme/ Please feel free to share! best, Charles. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Paris Conference Programme Uploaded, please share!
Charles-H. Schulz wrote: The 1st LibreOffice Conference Programme and schedule is online here: http://conference.libreoffice.org/programme/ I will distribute the press release tomorrow, also to the announce mailing list, and I will post on the blog (everything around lunchtime). -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Lotus Wordpro specifications? Other format specs?
Caolán McNamara wrote: We don't have a lot of these document for testing. Two actually :-), If one wanted to learn about the format of Lotus Wordpro files, where would one go to get specification information? More generally, does TDF keep specs for various document formats online somewhere? Thanks. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?
On 9/12/11 2:10 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: On 2011-09-10 7:31 AM, Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com wrote: At this point, this add-on would seem to eliminate the need of trimming, too. No, no, NO... trimming should still be required. All QuoteCollapse does is spare me a lot of pain when I encounter morons who refuse to trim posts... The inherent problem with trimming is the danger of a message being trimmed to the point where the point of the conversation is lost, or the meaning of the conversation has changed. Another problem is when a new viewer comes to the conversation somewhere in the middle. Instead of having *all* of the conversation available to view in a single window, the new viewer now has to sort back though all the reference messages and try to keep track of which message comes first. I would rather have them available in one place, rather than scattered all over the place. :-) FYI, I see no reason to call someone a moron because you don't like the way another person replies to a message. :-) -- Ken Mac OS X 10.6.8 Firefox 6.0.2 Thunderbird 6.0.2 LibreOffice 3.3.3 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
