Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Microsoft Producer for Powerpoint 2003 equivalent

2011-04-26 Thread Fabián Rodríguez
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On 04/07/2011 11:06 AM, Michael Meeks wrote:
 Hi Randolf,
 
 On Thu, 2011-04-07 at 07:40 -0400, Randolph, Ronald E. wrote: 
 Just a question guys, before I decide on your great product.
 
   End user questions don't belong on the developer list.
 
   Please use the discuss list for that.
 
   Thanks,
 
   Michael.
 

Hello Ronald,

I am not sure what features you are looking for but you could export a
presentation to Flash (File  Export  File type: swf) and publish it
online wherever you'd like to. Here's an example:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/659391/2010-2011-mile-end/2010-01-30-mile-end.swf

In the future you may also ask similar questions on Shapado, see my
signature for the link.

Cheers,

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Re: Live online testing of LibreOffice (WebLive) as: Re: [tdf-discuss] Request for Libre Office on Spoon

2011-04-22 Thread Fabián Rodríguez
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On 04/20/2011 02:31 PM, M Henri Day wrote:
 2011/4/20 Fabián Rodríguez magic...@member.fsf.org
 
 On 04/20/2011 05:13 AM, M Henri Day wrote:
 [...]
 Nothing for us Linux users ?

 Henri

 I believe this should work for any browser with Java support:

 http://www.edubuntu.org/weblive/app/lowriter

 Make sure you change the URL for the app name, and also make sure you
 specify Ubuntu or Edubuntu 11.04 from the possible choices. I haven't
 had time to test this BTW.

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 Thanks for the link, Fabian ! I realise you haven't tested it yet, but get
 the impression that it only runs Writer ? Anyone here who has tested who
 might be able to say whether that impression is correct ?...
 
 Henri
 

Hi Henri,

I had some time last night to test this and it really works well.
Sometimes the servers hosting weblive may be rebuilt during which time
the demo apps are not available, other than that it makes for a great demo.

You can try substituting lowriter in the above URL for any Ubuntu
binary, here are the LibreOffice related ones you can try:

   lobase
   localc
   lodraw
   lofromtemplate
   loimpress
   lomath
   loweb
   lowriter

Which would mean going to these to test each individually:

http://www.edubuntu.org/weblive/app/lobase
http://www.edubuntu.org/weblive/app/localc
http://www.edubuntu.org/weblive/app/lodraw
http://www.edubuntu.org/weblive/app/lofromtemplate
http://www.edubuntu.org/weblive/app/loimpress
http://www.edubuntu.org/weblive/app/lomath
http://www.edubuntu.org/weblive/app/loweb
http://www.edubuntu.org/weblive/app/lowriter

Or just launch a full Ubuntu desktop to get access to all of it (make
sure you choose 11.04):
http://www.edubuntu.org/weblive

Cheers,

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Re: [tdf-discuss] A couple of bugs

2011-04-21 Thread Fabián Rodríguez
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On 04/11/2011 09:44 AM, Ercole Carpanetto wrote:
 Hi people, I'm testing libreoffice for install it in the company where
 I work replacing the office 2003 [...]
 Aside some small problems that are only annoying, we have found a
 couple of bugs that are blocking for us:
 
 the firs is with the datapilot component. [...] I've tested the problem both 
 on Linux and Windows 32Bit and
 opened a bug (https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35981).

Hi Ercole,

Thanks for sharing this information and for filing a bug report about
it. I see this bug has been fixed in 3.4. Awesome!

 The other one is even bigger: aside from a general slowness in opening
 and saving big excell files (it tooks almost 15-20seconds to open a
 file that MSO opens in 2-3 seconds on the same PC), [...] and opened a
 bug on freedesktop.org[...]:
 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36051.

Thank you again, I see there is progress there and you are helping all
along - much appreciated!

Cheers,

Fabian

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Live online testing of LibreOffice (WebLive) as: Re: [tdf-discuss] Request for Libre Office on Spoon

2011-04-20 Thread Fabián Rodríguez
On 04/20/2011 05:13 AM, M Henri Day wrote:
 [...]
 Nothing for us Linux users ?

 Henri

I believe this should work for any browser with Java support:

http://www.edubuntu.org/weblive/app/lowriter

Make sure you change the URL for the app name, and also make sure you
specify Ubuntu or Edubuntu 11.04 from the possible choices. I haven't
had time to test this BTW.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice bug: ERROR Prop Res DLL not loaded

2011-04-20 Thread Fabián Rodríguez
On 04/20/2011 11:16 AM, s kadish wrote:
 [...]
 I've attached a sample file for which this error occurs. For this particular
 file you get the error message 4 times.

AFAIK you can't attach files here on the mailing list. My suggestion
would be to open a bug report, and attach the file there. See the
instructions here:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport

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Re: [tdf-discuss] North American Community Inaugural Meeting

2011-04-19 Thread Fabián Rodríguez
On 04/17/2011 02:08 PM, drew wrote:
 Hi folks,

 I would like to ask the members of the LibreOffice community residing in
 North America for a few minutes of your time.

 First - to please take ~six minutes of your time in order to watch the
 video found here:

 http://www.facebook.com/v/1840388402746

Hi Drew,

Can this video be posted elsewhere so it's not exclusively on Facebook
in Flash ? I'll gladly help putting it on archive.org if you point me to
its source.

Cheers,

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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice and a StackExchange support website

2011-04-18 Thread Fabián Rodríguez
On 04/17/2011 05:27 PM, Simos Xenitellis wrote:
 2011/4/18 Fabián Rodríguez magic...@member.fsf.org:
 On 04/17/2011 10:21 AM, Simos Xenitellis wrote:
 Hi All,

 The new hotness for a support website would be to have a StackExchange
 website for LibreOffice.
 For example,
* http://wordpress.stackexchange.com/  -  aiming at developers,
 advanced users
* http://askubuntu.com/ - aiming at users, also advanced users

 Here is a list of all StackExchange support websites, all 48 of them,
 http://stackexchange.com/sites

 What is StackExchange? Read at
 http://stackexchange.com/about

 In a nutshell, these are type of support websites that highlight the
 questions, and provide many opportunities
 to get these questions answered, with quality answers. The users
 accumulate points for their participation,
 which they then can use up to bring attention to their own questions
 that they may have.
 In addition, as users accumulate points, they get more
 responsibilities in self-moderating the website.

 The most well-known of those websites is StackOverflow,
 http://stackoverflow.com/
 with about a million members, and more than a million questions answered.

 I am not affiliated with StackExchange, just posting this to see
 whether there is interest.

 Simos

 I posted about doing this on shapado.com a few months ago, take a look:
 http://libreoffice.shapado.com/

 The mailing list archives will also tell you more.

 I think it would be unfortunate to use a non-free SaaS to do this,
 specially when Shapado can do more.

 I haven't been able to put much more time on this lately, but surely
 making it an official resource would help it gain traction.

 Thanks for the link. I had no idea about shapado.com
 (or http://gitorious.org/shapado )

 There has been a similar discussion for AskUbuntu and UbuntuAsk,
 http://meta.askubuntu.com/questions/302/why-should-i-use-this-site-instead-of-ubuntu-ask-shapado
 with insightful comments.
Such discussion is about the Ubuntu-specific community, a very different
context. Canonical simply decided not to support Shapado, and pushed
hard for Ask Ubuntu at StackExchange. You can guess which  got noticed
more (and, well, was adopted). I was referring to previous thread in
this list about Shapado, which I couldn't find in a quick search.
Ironically, as a result of such efforts to get Shapado noticed, Debian
started using it.

 To be able to get Libreoffice.Shapado (or one at StackExchange) become 
 popular,
 you need to make a group that will devote time to answer questions for
 the first few weeks.

117 people are registered and receive any questions:
http://libreoffice.shapado.com/users

The problem is not the lack of contributors, but rather the lack of
questions / exposure - although I'll admit LibreOffice doesn't seem like
a source of extraordinarily challenging questions.

 And at the same time promote as much as possible. The positive issue
 with StackExchange is that you get the spillover from the other
 StackExchange websites.
 In any case, it's a hard task to motivate people to spend their time.

 Thanks,
 Simos
Right, I'll gladly take any offer for help on this one :)

Cheers,

Fabian

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Re: [tdf-discuss] How are Libre Office bugs classified and fixed?

2011-04-18 Thread Fabián Rodríguez
 We are all receiving the daily Libreoffice-bugs Digests and I, and no
 doubt many others, would like to know how all the bugs listed in the
 Digests are monitored and acted upon.

 It looks as if we have an ever growing list of bugs of all
 complexities, from the serious show stoppers to the exotic, once in
 a lifetime bug only found by people doing very advanced work.  But
 where is the feed-back to show that problems raised are being
 resolved?  Who takes ownership of a given bug after it has been reported?

 How are these issues managed by the Libre Office team?

 Alan


The bug reporting process will give you a few hints until someone
involved on the dev side of things can respond:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport

Adding yourself as a CC to some of the bugs you mention may also give
you a history may repeat itself view of things.

Cheers,

Fabian

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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice and a StackExchange support website

2011-04-17 Thread Fabián Rodríguez
On 04/17/2011 10:21 AM, Simos Xenitellis wrote:
 Hi All,

 The new hotness for a support website would be to have a StackExchange
 website for LibreOffice.
 For example,
* http://wordpress.stackexchange.com/  -  aiming at developers,
 advanced users
* http://askubuntu.com/ - aiming at users, also advanced users

 Here is a list of all StackExchange support websites, all 48 of them,
 http://stackexchange.com/sites

 What is StackExchange? Read at
 http://stackexchange.com/about

 In a nutshell, these are type of support websites that highlight the
 questions, and provide many opportunities
 to get these questions answered, with quality answers. The users
 accumulate points for their participation,
 which they then can use up to bring attention to their own questions
 that they may have.
 In addition, as users accumulate points, they get more
 responsibilities in self-moderating the website.

 The most well-known of those websites is StackOverflow,
 http://stackoverflow.com/
 with about a million members, and more than a million questions answered.

 I am not affiliated with StackExchange, just posting this to see
 whether there is interest.

 Simos

I posted about doing this on shapado.com a few months ago, take a look:
http://libreoffice.shapado.com/

The mailing list archives will also tell you more.

I think it would be unfortunate to use a non-free SaaS to do this,
specially when Shapado can do more.

I haven't been able to put much more time on this lately, but surely
making it an official resource would help it gain traction.

Cheers,

Fabian

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Default font on LibO

2011-01-31 Thread Fabián Rodríguez
On 01/30/2011 11:41 AM, Nguyen Vu Hung wrote:
 Hello,

 This question seems to be trivial and I am sorry if this is a FAQ

 What is the default font used by LibO 3.3 on Ubuntu (10.04?)

 How can this happen? What could be the reason on the client's side
 that makes the text on LibO's font become squares?
 http://lh3.ggpht.com/_6irjfzkk21k/TULtPvcC91I/Di0/ahD4ZXC_Krc/s800/Selection_128.png


Hi Nguyen,

How was LibO installed on this system ? That desktop looks customized,
and is not using default system fonts. Make sure you're using LibO from
the LibreOffice PPA as described here:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibreOffice

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[tdf-discuss] What features are missing when a JRE is missing in Windows ?

2011-01-30 Thread Fabián Rodríguez
Hi

The Windows installer completes succesfully but when running the
LibreOffice launcher for the first time several warnings indicating
this function ... won't work without a JRE... install a JRE and restart
LibreOffice without going into specifics.

Which features will be missing in such case ? Is it best to always have
the JRE under Windows ?

Thanks for any details, I couldn't find this in the release notes or
existing docs.

Cheers,

Fabian

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[tdf-discuss] LibreOffice docs for Ubuntu

2011-01-29 Thread Fabián Rodríguez
Hi

I've consolidated the notes I had about LibreOffice and Ubuntu at:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibreOffice

I've shared it with the Ubuntu community on identi.ca and I hope it will
provide an easy resource to refer to.

Any comments / suggestions are welcome - direct edits to the wiki are
*most* welcome :)

Cheers,

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[tdf-discuss] Mac distribution of LibreOffice: Mac Update and Version Tracker

2011-01-26 Thread Fabián Rodríguez
Hi

I recently asked on Shapado about update  upgrade notifications for Mac
 Windows:
http://libreoffice.shapado.com/questions/is-there-a-notification-when-updates-are-available

Someone there mentioned App Update which supports Mac Update and Version
Tracker. I noticed LibreOffice is there, are these download channels or
information sites up to date or should this be integrated to the release
cycle somehow ? I presume many Mac users are using app updater and will
see such (possibly outdated) information.

Pardon my ignorance, I know next to nothing about Macs or how LibO for
Macs is released.

See:

http://download.cnet.com/LibreOffice/3000-18483_4-75337652.html?tag=mncol;1
http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/35446/libreoffice

Cheers,

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Shapado + Mailing list integration, was Fwd: Reporte para el grupo LibreOffice de Shapado

2011-01-18 Thread Fabián Rodríguez
On 11-01-17 02:23 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:
 Fabian this is a random idea, but is it possible to have users that
 submit to the discuss mailing list or a new support mailing list, to
 be able to have the questions posted there, and then any answers
 posted are emailed to those subscribed?

Hi Jonathan,

There are RSS feeds for multiple things in Shapado. For example if you
click on any tag you will get a feed for the particular tag, or you can
get a feed for all questions. You can also get a feed for a specific
question and its answers.

There are some basic hooks to Facebook apps, Twitter and another service
is mentioned to further connect Shapado's data: http://dlvr.it. I
haven't tried any of this yet, but if anyone's interested in playing
with it just ask me and I'll provide admin access - I'll just ask to see
some of your previous participation here on any of LibO's project list.

I know RSS - mailing list is possible so prsumably that could happen
but mailing list - shapado, I doubt it, unless someone does it - there
is a RESTful API in the works but I haven't followed that part of the
project.

Direct questions about Shapado itself can be asked here too:
http://shapado.com/

Cheers,

Fabián

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Fwd: Reporte para el grupo LibreOffice de Shapado

2011-01-18 Thread Fabián Rodríguez
On 11-01-17 02:32 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
 2011/1/17 Fabián Rodríguez magic...@member.fsf.org

 Greetings,

 This is last week's report on activity for the Ask LibreOffice QA
 site at Shapado.

 I'll get future reports in English. Here's the translation:

 4 questions were created
 8 answers were provided
 6 people voted
 9 badges were issues

 This account has 50 users

 I just checked and it's 55 now, so it's a good start although slow on #
 of questions (which is not really a big surprise).

 This week I'll be focusing on better integration and visibility for
 current LibO sites  resources. As usual, any comments  suggestions are
 welcome.

 maybe we can look for an open source implementation of shapado (ideastorm)
 and install it on the libreoffice serves so we can host these QA. I think
 there are similar projects such as ThinkUp from LifeHacker -
 http://thinkupapp.com/

 However this is a good pilot to see if it's worth it to consider it for
 future implementations, I will also notify the web team.


Hi Alexandro,

Shapado *is* free open source software under the GNU Affero General
Public License.

When I introduced it here a couple of week ago I indicated one of the
end goals could be to have it hosted on TDF's / LibO's infrastructure,
for now using the hosted instance saves time  effort doing so. If/when
the time comes, we can move the data.

There's lots of potential in Shapado and many other groups are making it
evolve, but I like it mainly because of its l10n support and quick
response from its devs.

Cheers,

Fabián

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Re: [tdf-discuss] New year - new listmailfooter

2011-01-18 Thread Fabián Rodríguez
On 11-01-17 02:56 PM, Friedrich Strohmaier wrote:
 Hi community,

 a new year has started - at least for some of us, and I'll take a new
 attempt of finishing the footers of the List emails.

 We decided to have an additional line containing a link to a project
 wikipage providing posting guidelines like netiquette/quoting and other
 helpful informaition.

 Some of the valued readers of my former mails in this matter intended to
 setup such a page.

 There is already one from the german language project:
 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Mailinglists/Netiquette/de

 As I'm not familiar with naming conventions of the wikipages it would
 help just to have the URL this page's place corresponding to the obove
 mentioned german one.

 Can someone provide help with this?

 Gruß/regards
Hello Friedrich,

This page should provide information on how to make yours compliant with
the multilingual conventions for the wiki:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Multilingual_Wiki

Cheers,

Fabián

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Mac App Store - or else ?

2011-01-13 Thread Fabián Rodríguez
On 11-01-12 11:35 AM, Larry Gusaas wrote:

 On 2011/01/12 8:49 AM  Mirek M. wrote:
 2011/1/12 Jonathan Aquilinaeagles051...@gmail.com

   Why not license it under an appropriate license that would allow
 us to put
   it in the app store? would that mean we would need to remove the
 GPL or can
   it be dual licensed to go on the app store?
 I'm no expert, but as I understand it, LibreOffice is licensed under the
 LGPL, which should allow it to be used with DRM (whereas VLC was GPL).
 In order for LibreOffice to change its license, it would need to get
 an OK
 from all its contributors, including Oracle, which is not too likely to
 happen IMHO. But I don't think that's necessary in this case.

 There is no DRM used on the Mac OS X App Store. There is DRM on the
 Apple iOS AppStore. They are two separate entities. The FSF objections
 are to the DRM on the iOS AppStore and do not apply to the OS X App
 Store. Of course, the FSF objects to Apple and any other company that
 does not give away their software for free.

 Larry

Hi Larry,

DRM means Digital Rights Management and although it (apparently) has
been easily circumvented in the App store, there are indeed such control
mechanisms implemented:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1075297

A quick search shows confusing information about this (again):
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/02/poetic-justice-watch-crackulous-released-pirated-re-sold.ars
http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-20027731-264.html

Free in Free software refers to Freedom, not free as in $0 cost.
It's a common mistake, but the Free Software Foundation is not objecting
to anyone selling Free software. Quite the opposite, in fact, except the
software itself is not considering the only goods you would be
monetizing. This article should help understanding such model:
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html

Larry, knowing that you are the audience we seek, I'd like to know how
you found out about OOo (or Libreoffice, if you didn't know OOo before).
Perhaps that can provide other ways to better reach Mac audiences ?

Cheers,

Fabian

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[tdf-discuss] Email invitations for developers and users

2011-01-12 Thread Fabián Rodríguez
Hi,

I am sending email invitations to my close network of friends and
colleagues, and to projects I participate in, inviting them to join
LibreOffice. I thought I'd share this. I'd like to ask where would be
the best place in the wiki to put such examples and their translations ?
I know within the Marketing project this makes sense but I also thought
we'd need to expose this more.

Of course adapt  customize them depending on your audience, if you end
up using any of them!

These are just 3 examples:

For end-users:
[Trisquel-users] An invitation to ask your questions about LibreOffice
on Ask LibreOffice
http://listas.trisquel.info/pipermail/trisquel-users/2011-January/002372.html

For developers:
[Trisquel-devel] An invitation to become a LibreOffice contributor
http://listas.trisquel.info/pipermail/trisquel-devel/2011-January/000345.html

For end-users, in French:
[Trisquel-utilisateurs] Invitation à connaître LibreOffice
http://listas.trisquel.info/pipermail/trisquel-utilisateurs/2011-January/50.html

Any comments/suggestions welcome.

Fabian

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Email invitations for developers and users

2011-01-12 Thread Fabián Rodríguez
On 11-01-12 11:18 AM, drew wrote:
 On Wed, 2011-01-12 at 10:33 -0500, Fabián Rodríguez wrote:
 Hi,

 I am sending email invitations to my close network of friends and
 colleagues, and to projects I participate in, inviting them to join
 LibreOffice. I thought I'd share this. I'd like to ask where would be
 the best place in the wiki to put such examples and their translations ?
 I know within the Marketing project this makes sense but I also thought
 we'd need to expose this more.

 Of course adapt  customize them depending on your audience, if you end
 up using any of them!

 These are just 3 examples:

 For end-users:
 [Trisquel-users] An invitation to ask your questions about LibreOffice
 on Ask LibreOffice
 http://listas.trisquel.info/pipermail/trisquel-users/2011-January/002372.html

 For developers:
 [Trisquel-devel] An invitation to become a LibreOffice contributor
 http://listas.trisquel.info/pipermail/trisquel-devel/2011-January/000345.html

 For end-users, in French:
 [Trisquel-utilisateurs] Invitation à connaître LibreOffice
 http://listas.trisquel.info/pipermail/trisquel-utilisateurs/2011-January/50.html

 Any comments/suggestions welcome.

 Hello Fabian

 Well, that is all well and good.

 I suppose you most likely saw what I said with regards to third party
 support sites and in the abstract I will stand by what I said.

 But i the real world we don't really work I abstracts do we.

 So - a couple of comments.

 Your emails have no link to the actual LibreOffice project.
I think you didn't notice, the first sentence of each one of them does.
 Your site has no links to the actual LibreOfficce project.
At the top of every page, yes, there are links to LibreOffice support
and main sites.
 Clicking on a LibreOffice logo and going any place other the
 http://libreoffice.org is not acceptable IMO

 (Which means I need to change 1 site I currently manage and I will do
 that today)

I believe you are referring to the logo at libreoffice.shapado.com -
I'll check if it can link to the main site, however I believe it's
supposed to act as a go home spot.

 Finally - whatever abstracts I believe in I believe in community more
 and when the LibreOffice trademark policy is published I will certainly
 stand behind the collective decision in that regard.

 OK - I just did not want any misunderstanding.

 Finally - you should understand that I will push very hard for these
 type of supports systems within the community project - I will also,
 assuming sites conform to the soon to be finished trademark policy fight
 for your right to exist also.
Thank you, I don't believe any fight is in order :)

I am not sure I understand the concern but if any remains I am open to
any discusison - reach me on IRC sometime if email drags too much.

Cheers,

Fabian

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[tdf-discuss] Re: [us-marketing] Re: Email invitations for developers and users

2011-01-12 Thread Fabián Rodríguez
On 11-01-12 01:36 PM, Marc Paré wrote:
 Le 2011-01-12 10:33, Fabián Rodríguez a écrit :
 Hi,

 I am sending email invitations to my close network of friends and
 colleagues, and to projects I participate in, inviting them to join
 LibreOffice. I thought I'd share this. I'd like to ask where would be
 the best place in the wiki to put such examples and their translations ?
 I know within the Marketing project this makes sense but I also thought
 we'd need to expose this more.

 Of course adapt  customize them depending on your audience, if you end
 up using any of them!

 These are just 3 examples:

 For end-users:
 [Trisquel-users] An invitation to ask your questions about LibreOffice
 on Ask LibreOffice
 http://listas.trisquel.info/pipermail/trisquel-users/2011-January/002372.html


 For developers:
 [Trisquel-devel] An invitation to become a LibreOffice contributor
 http://listas.trisquel.info/pipermail/trisquel-devel/2011-January/000345.html


 For end-users, in French:
 [Trisquel-utilisateurs] Invitation à connaître LibreOffice
 http://listas.trisquel.info/pipermail/trisquel-utilisateurs/2011-January/50.html


 Any comments/suggestions welcome.

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 Thanks Fabian for your offer to share these.

 I myself am not in favour of posting these on our wiki pages as,
 although they do mention LibreOffice they also mention other projects
 that have no relationship with LibreOffice. I am in favour of
 providing some text that could be used in formulating invitations to
 join our membership, but as far as the personal aspect of inviting
 people that one knows, this should really be left to the individual
 sender to create.

Hi Marc, thanks for your comments. I suggested wiki pages as that's
where new(er) advocates for LibO may end up and if I can save them 10
minutes of writing / translating, I'd love to do that. Not everyone will
dig such stuff from the mailing lists.

I am not sure I follow re: unrelated projects ? I mentioned
libreoffice.shapado.com which is *dedicated* to helping LibO users. And
I mentioned AskDebian which is another QA site about one of the primary
target OSs for LibreOffice. 


 This would be different, of course, if we were on a marketing
 campaign. In this case I would be interested in seeing different
 mock-ups of possible text. But this would be done in conjunction with
 a marketing team tasked with such a particular project, with Italo's
 supervision.


 Perhaps we could work on some material that our membership could find
 useful should they decide to send out personal invitations if you
 think this would be helpful. However, I think that our website should
 have enough information available to put together enough of a
 convincing argument to join our membership.
I don't send emails I don't feel are useful :) But point taken... As I
said in my post it's up for grans and if it's useful for someone, good.
The whole point is to expose more the project.


 In fact, I am of the opinion that once a person lands on any
 particular site, if they cannot see/find any usefulness for their own
 interest/purposes, then it is not for them. This, in my opinion, is
 what our site should attempt to accomplish: a convincing argument on
 landing at our site, within little delay, and with clear objectives of
 the LibreOffice suite -- downloading should also be easily done. I
 also hold the same opinion on software.

 Cheers

 Marc


Agreed 100%, however people need to come to such site in the first
place. In Trisquel's case, no doubt devs know about it, but may not know
about the QA site. In their users forums, I am also letting them know
about the project itself. It's also a way to bridge both communities.

On the subject of downloading, I am not so sure the easily, with little
delay will be the same for all - not without a good connection, which
is not guaranteed anywhere. I'll start another thread on the marketing
list only later this week.

A+

Fabian

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[tdf-discuss] Using free, open microblogging

2011-01-11 Thread Fabián Rodríguez

I noticed today there is a Twitter feed on the home page at
http://www.libreoffice.org/.

In the spirit of using free, open-source software as we advocate other
users doing with LibreOffice, would it be possible to link the
libreoffice account in identi.ca to the libreofficenews in Twitter and
post from Identi.ca so both audiences are served equally ? I'd also like
to see the identi.ca feed featured on the home page (not Twitter
exclusively). At some point TDF could setup their own status.net server too.

There are many reasons for not using Twitter exclusively, but I won't go
into that

Anyone with an account on identi.ca can link their account to Twitter by
visiting this link while logged in:
https://identi.ca/main/twitterlogin

Cheers,

Fabian

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[tdf-discuss] Templates unavailable at templates.services.openoffice.org

2011-01-10 Thread Fabián Rodríguez
Hi,

When starting the LibreOffice launcher, the first button at the bottom
left points to http://templates.services.openoffice.org to get more
templates. The first page loads OK but trying to access any templates
gives a 503 error. Even the contact page gives a 503 error.

Perhaps TDF / LibreOffice should consider changing such link to another
within the project's website(s) ? Just a thought...

Fabian

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Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?

2011-01-10 Thread Fabián Rodríguez
On 11-01-10 10:33 AM, Stefan Weigel wrote:
 [...]
 What would you say, if people came up with multiple LibreOffice
 websites in parallel? What would you say, if people came up with
 multiple LibreOffice mailing lists in parallel? You have every right
 to open a website or mailing list about LibreOffice besides the
 existing one. But does it make sense? Is it good for the project and
 the community, after all?

 The same is for forums.
I would say there is branding confusion and I would ask why common
forums when the project, organization and product are different ? . It
makes a lot of sense to see such resources, more than the older forums
and the current mailing lists. I can't ask any normal user to come
anywhere close to mailing lists or Nabble, nevermind thousands of older
forum posts with seemingly unrelated information about the office suite
I am advocating to move away from. But that's only me and my limited
audience. Different audiences, but common name  brand only make sense.

I would also say it's *great* that other people are interested in
putting time into this and help them, perhaps make them official ASAP
and focus on other stuff :) This requires minimal due dilligence. Of
course I am pushing for another help channel (
http://libreoffice.shapado.com ), so I can't be very objective. Once
again, diverse audiences, more exposure.

Can't wait 'til the Facebook groups start popping up in every country
and language :)

Cheers,

Fabian

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Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?

2011-01-10 Thread Fabián Rodríguez
On 11-01-09 08:28 PM, Andy Brown wrote:
 On Sun Jan 09 2011 07:04:12 GMT-0800 (PST)  RGB ES wrote:
 https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/forums/
 They are hidden (no link on the help page) and you cannot post on
 them yet, but they exists and you can register ;) So my question is:
 how those forums will be organized? There will be one for each local
 site or only one on English? Categories? Organization (moderators,
 etc.)?
 Regards
 Ricardo


 Why add another forum?  There is already a LibO Forum at
 http://libreofficeforum.org/forum .  The Official OOo Forum at
 http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/ not only supports OOo
 but off shoots such as Libo, NeoOffice and StarOffice.  The
 Un-official Forum at http://www.oooforum.org/ is the oldest and
 largest OOo related support forum around and has received LibO
 questions and answers in the past few months.

 Andy


I just registered to http://libreofficeforum.org and I am fairly certain
it uses Drupal. I took the liberty to contact its creator and he's
already indicated he's willing to collaborate:

I would be glad to see LibreOfficeForum.org as the official forum. I
personally am not a developer, and I don't have any official role in
LibreOffice. For years I have been a heavy user of OpenOffice, spending
many hours on it every day. And now I'm sure that the way forward is
LibreOffice. I'm not an expert yet, just a heavy user. ;-)

I created the site immediately after LibreOffice was announced, because
I saw that they had no web forums, and I personally don't like mailing
lists. And I know that there are several unofficial forums as well for
OpenOffice (like oooforum.org), so I'm sure that this site could also
occupy that role if the Document Foundation doesn't approve it officially.

It appears likely that LibreOffice will continue to diverge more and
more from the code base of OpenOffice, and it would be confusing to see
bugs and support requests for two different products in the same forum.
So for that reason I would personally recommend that the Document
Foundation not continue to use the same user.services.openoffice.org
forum for LibreOffice.

- Sam

I supposed someone from TDF / steering committee could maintain this
contact more formally than me, I hope I am not overstepping anyone when
doing this.

Cheers,

Fabian

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Mac App Store - NeoOffice Mobile for iPhone/iPad/Android example

2011-01-09 Thread Fabián Rodríguez
I am replying to the top post of this thread as I came across this
application while looking for ODF support in Android.

NeoOffice Mobile looked like an application providing such support,
but turned out to be a file synchronization service with display
capabilities (as I understand it). It seems it displays ODF documents on
iPad, iPod/iPhone and Android devices:
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/neooffice-mobile/id382174697?mt=8
http://www.appbrain.com/app/neooffice-mobile/org.neooffice.android

There's a wiki page:
http://neowiki.neooffice.org/index.php/NeoOffice_Mobile_Preview

A few first impressions:
- Only NeoOffice users have access to it
- Seems to be an integration of GoogleDocs
- Whatever cloud-like service it's based on, it's not clear if the
server side of it is non-free software or not either. This will be
important for mass-deployments where LibreOffice is considered only if
all its components are free software-only too.
- Doesn't look like a separate plugin/module that could be added to
LibreOffice as-is, but rather something tightly integrated in NeoOffice-
perhaps its source code is available
- Seems to have launched ~3 weeks ago on Android, low ratings although
it's early to draw any conclusions on that

Current ODF support on mobile devices is really basic with the two only
apps I know about on Android only showing partial formatting, and only
for ODT files right now. As Android gains more traction, it may also
make sense supporting the existing apps and efforts so they improve. A
recent thread on this list asked about Android apps, there are more
details there:
http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/msg04189.html

I like the idea of a related service powered by a mobile application
like NeoOffice is trying to do. Knowing that recent threads indicated
there are talks about collaborating once TDF is a legal entity,
NeoOffice Mobile should be part of such discussions to see if it can be
rolled into LibreOffice independently (or else). It seems odd this
service is effectively reserved to Mac users of NeoOffice when one would
expect at least feature parity across platforms. Keep in mind this is
also one way NeoOffice is getting funds for their project.

I'll be posting some different ideas I had for related applications and
services, but wanted to put this out up the list for discussion.

If anyone has tried NeoOffice Mobile with Apple devices, I'd like to
hear their impressions - I have limite access to a Mac laptop so I may
end up trying it but that may take some more time than I have right now.

Cheers,

Fabian

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Re: [tdf-discuss] download buttons in TDF site.

2011-01-09 Thread Fabián Rodríguez
On 11-01-08 10:49 AM, David Nelson wrote:
 Hi, :-)

 On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 23:38, Jan Parttimaa jan.partti...@gmail.com wrote:
 I just want to know who did the download buttons in TDF site
 (http://www.documentfoundation.org/download/ ) ?

 How can I add those buttons in LibreOffice finnish site? Of course
 text on buttons will be in finnish.
 When the new theme is rolled out, I'll send you the necessary HTML and
 graphic (though it's easy to grab what you need if you are not a
 novice...).

 David Nelson

Such buttons and their source material (fonts, vector files, etc.)
should be uploaded to the Marketing material pages:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Material

Anyone interested in new material can login to the Wiki and click on the
star at the top right page to be notified of changes/additions (or press
alt-shift-w).

Also see the Branding Guidelines if you're producing new material:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding

Let me know if you need any help with that, you can grab me on IRC
(MagicFab) or email me off-list / on-list. There's also the Marketing
team mailing list at
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/US-Marketing

Fabian

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Linux distros and LibO packaging

2011-01-09 Thread Fabián Rodríguez
On 11-01-09 10:11 AM, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote:
 Hi all,

 I think that we should have a webpage where Linux distributions who are
 packaging LibO, could list what changes they made compared to the
 official build by TDF.

 I see two main advantages :
 - for users and helpers : they will know easier if a problem comes from
 LibO or from packaging
 - for QA : it will be easier to know if a test done, for example on a
 version from Ubuntu PPA, may be consider as valid or not for LibO from a
 general point of view.

 Last but not least, that will increase transparency : we will know what
 we are talking about when we will talk about LibreOffice. ;-)

 So, is it a good idea to ask the Linux distributions to publish the
 changes they made to the official build ?

 Best regards
 JBF

For Ubuntu most of the information reagrding its LibO package can be
found or obtained on the corresponding needs-packagin bug:
https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/651124

Cheers,

Fabian

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Mac App Store

2011-01-08 Thread Fabián Rodríguez
On 11-01-07 06:06 PM, Benjamin Horst wrote:
 [...]
 Thus, it does not appear that Apple would block LibO because of our LGPL 
 license (Wesnoth is GPL v2). The FSF is very unhappy with the App Store, but 
 this does not appear to be a dealbreaker if we wish to go ahead with it.

 -Ben

 Benjamin Horst
 bho...@mac.com
 646-464-2314 (Eastern)
 www.solidoffice.com

Apple won't likely block the app until the FSF or its author (as
happened with VLC) demands that they comply with the licenses. If/when
that happens is another story.

Cheers,

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Mac App Store

2011-01-07 Thread Fabián Rodríguez
On 11-01-06 10:57 PM, todd rme wrote:
 On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 10:43 PM, Nguyen Vu Hung vuhung16p...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 7:02 AM, Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com wrote:
 Does anyone know the technical requirements needed to get into the Mac App 
 Store?
 Are there any developers here who'd like to get involved in this process?
 Here is the guidelines for submission to App Store
 http://www.everythingicafe.com/apple-releases-mac-app-store-guidelines-and-devs-respond/2010/10/21/

 And for iOS (iPhone and the like, FYI)
 http://developer.apple.com/news/ios/appstoretips/

 Technically, I would say LibO meets all (most?) the requirements needed.
 I don't think it meets these:

 - It duplicates apps already in the App Store, particularly if there
 are many of them (iWork)
 - It creates a store inside itself for selling or distributing other
 software (extensions)
 - It is not packaged and submitted using Apple’s packaging
 technologies included in Xcode – No third party installers are allowed
 (I thought this was a major goal of LibO)

 And I don't know whether it meets this one:
 - It has metadata that mentions the name of any other computer platform


 I do find it bizarre that people are so up in arms about OOXML but
 seem to have no complaints with Apple's blatant attempts to have total
 control over the software you are allowed to install on your own
 computer.

 -Todd

Define People ? :)

The FSF has several ongoing campaigns educating about the problems such
restrictions bring. Some posts on their blog provide an example for free
software subsmissions to their App Store:
http://www.fsf.org/search?SearchableText=app%20store

Before technical requirements, there are legal requirements. I know the
App Store terms have changed a few times in the past months, add that to
the check list.

In the event that LibreOffice would pass all technical  legal
requirements I'd suggest charging (more than $1) for the convenience.
Anyone else will know where to find it outside of the store. I presented
on exactly this topic (business models for free software distribution on
an app store) for the Android Marketplace yesterday, I'll gladly
provide some pointers when/if it's deemed appropriate. I hardly an
expert but I have an idea or two.

Cheers,

Fabian

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Mac App Store

2011-01-07 Thread Fabián Rodríguez
On 11-01-06 11:16 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote:

 On 2011/01/06 9:57 PM  todd rme wrote:
 I do find it bizarre that people are so up in arms about OOXML but
 seem to have no complaints with Apple's blatant attempts to have total
 control over the software you are allowed to install on your own
 computer.

 Apple does not control what software I install on my computer. Quit
 spreading such BS.


 Larry

You're right, at least for now. Apple controls its OS and its updates,
which effectively can control which apps go on your computer (or not).
IMO, it's only a matter of time before such restrictions happen, just
like iPhone and iPad (which *for now* are bypassed with Cydia..). For
all the effort this may take, at some point Apple may well decide to
remove LibreOffice or break it as part of a security upgrade. I am not
going into that discussion as even passing the App Store requirements is
almost guaranteed to fail.

Back to the initial suggestion of adding LibreOffice to the AppStore,
just look at NeoOffice's take on it:
http://trinity.neooffice.org/modules.php?name=Forumsfile=viewtopict=8290start=0postdays=0postorder=aschighlight=

Not much point in wasting any more time on this (again, IMO).

Cheers,

Fabian

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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice version for Android platform

2011-01-05 Thread Fabián Rodríguez
On 11-01-05 10:09 AM, jan...@free.fr wrote:
 Hi,

 I'm afraid to see that I can't find open office for a netbook with Android OS.

 On Internet, I didn't find information about a LibreOffice version for 
 Android platform.

 May be someone can tell me if there is a status about this question, is there 
 a study ?

 Thanks,

 Jan-Ove

Interesting question. Would you consider joining Ask LibreOffice at
http://libreoffice.shapado.com/ and asking it there too for wider exposure ?

As far as I know there are only two *viewers* supporting the ODF format:

ODF viewer: http://www.appbrain.com/app/odf-viewer/com.olidroide
OpenOffice Document Reader:
http://www.appbrain.com/app/openoffice-document-reader/at.tomtasche.reader

The above links are only for convenient installation. You can find the
respective official websites here:
http://forja.cenatic.es/projects/visorodfmovil
http://tomtasche.at/p/OpenOffice Document Reader

If anyone has other Android resources about ODF support for it in
general, I'd love to hear about them.

Cheers,

Fabian

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Where can i reports bugs that i've found while using LibreOffice RC2

2011-01-05 Thread Fabián Rodríguez
On 11-01-05 06:30 AM, Nino Novak wrote:
 On Wednesday 05 January 2011 12:19, amine amine wrote:
 Salam,
 Amine,

 have a look at this:
 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport

 Regards,
 Nino

I've just updated and augmented the information at that link.

Cheers,

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