Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice 3.3.3 binaries for Solaris SPARC and Solaris X86
Hi Karl, On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 06:27:08PM +0200, Karl Behler wrote: I have been redirected from LibreOffice Forum (DE) to this list. My question is: Why is LO 3.3.3 not available for Solaris (any)? Or will it be available at some time? My guess would be because nobody in the LibreOffice team is running Solaris and nobody in the Solaris team is interested in LibreOffice... Why not try building LibreOffice yourself ? The instructions are here: http://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/developers/ The old Sun-specific build directives have been left largely untouched in case someone wanted to have a go at it on Solaris or one of the OpenSolaris-derived distributions such as OpenIndiana. If you're using pkgsrc as a packaging system, you may also want to try the libreoffice package I've created in pkgsrc-wip. http://pkgsrc-wip.sourceforge.net/ I'm curious to see if it would work out of the box. In any case, it would be great to have you on board ! Cheers, -- Francois Tigeot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Adabas database usage
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 12:06:16PM +0530, Marc-André Laverdière wrote: Is there _any_ database that people use that doesn't have a JDBC driver at this point? Maybe we can keep our lives simple by only enabling JDBC drivers? Make that ODBC and perhaps JDBC. Having LibreOffice depending on a Java installation would be suicide. Java is inherently non-portable and is a real PITA if you don't use Windows or Linux on i386. I consider it a deprecated technology and don't intend to support it. -- Francois Tigeot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] proposed bylaws changes
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 01:50:37AM +0200, Thorsten Behrens wrote: If there are no objections by tonight, I'll also change the text on the membership application page (http://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/application-for-tdf-community-membership/) Done. There's a small typo at the beginning of the page: Please carfeully read -- Francois Tigeot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Adabas database usage
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 09:02:25PM -0700, aqualung wrote: Francois Tigeot wrote: On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 10:54:46AM +0200, Francois Tigeot wrote: You would probably get more input if you posted your question on one of the OpenOffice.org forums, in the Base section. Thanks for the tip, I'll have a look there. I tried to create an account, and more than 3 hours later I'm still waiting for the confirmation email. It seems the old forum infrastructure is already dying ... Sorry to hear that, but in fact there is a steady stream of new registrations at the forum, and no problems with the infrastructure that I am aware of. That's too bad, I just pushed a patch to disable the native Adabas D driver this morning. Oh well. The code has only been disabled, not removed; if there are still some real users of this driver, it can still be reactivated in a future 3.5.x release. -- Francois Tigeot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Adabas D database usage
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 10:31:28AM +0200, Alexander Thurgood wrote: Le 12/06/11 03:04, Uwe Altmann a écrit : Meanwhile Adabas is a legacy product. I wonder if anyone uses it in a productive environment. Surely not on a Mac. As has been said - whoever need this can stick on an older OOo Version. I think François has already proposed a patch in master on the developer list for the config scripts to no longer build the Adabas driver component module. I confirm it. And let me add this is the legacy Adabas D driver we're talking about; Star/Open/LibreOffice never had a native Adabas driver to begin with. The choice of names is really confusing but Adabas D and Adabas are different products from the same company; I've changed the subject accordingly. -- Francois Tigeot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Adabas database usage
Hi, On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 09:40:43AM +0200, Alexander Thurgood wrote: Le 10/06/11 18:46, Cor Nouws a écrit : When creating a new Database, connecting to an existing one, you can choose Adabas DB... So I guess the code has to do with that? Well I eventually managed to find a free download of Adabas D for Linux. The setup is not trivial, even for an individual user (involves setting up a root account for the db admin, and a separate group, to which all Adabas users need to be added), and I wonder how many individual users would actually go to the trouble of installing it now on their personal computer ? Not many, I fear. Most of the user-oriented discussions Adabas D discussions I found on Google were from before 2004. Where did you find your download copy ? Is it recent ? I had a look at the official website here : http://www.softwareag.com/Corporate/products/adabas/rela_3rd_prod/adad/default.asp and there's no download link. The Download free Adabas D license (Personal Edition) text is just that, text. I had a look at the request a commercial license form; the most recent operating system in the list is Windows Server 2003. At least one (Tru64) has been abandonned for years ... -- Francois Tigeot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Adabas database usage
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 10:54:46AM +0200, Francois Tigeot wrote: On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 09:44:35AM +0200, Alexander Thurgood wrote: You would probably get more input if you posted your question on one of the OpenOffice.org forums, in the Base section. Thanks for the tip, I'll have a look there. I tried to create an account, and more than 3 hours later I'm still waiting for the confirmation email. It seems the old forum infrastructure is already dying ... -- Francois Tigeot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Adabas database usage
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 10:41:54AM -0700, NoOp wrote: On 06/11/2011 04:47 AM, Francois Tigeot wrote: I think the picture is clear enough; I'll have a word on the developers list and try to disable the Adabas D driver. Please don't. $ cat /etc/adabasrc DBROOT=/opt/adabas [...] Does this mean you're using Adabas D with LibreOffice ? If this is the case, I'll have a go at enabling it everywhere. -- Francois Tigeot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Adabas database usage
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 11:47:54AM -0700, NoOp wrote: I'd experimented with Adabas D with OpenOffice.org. Unfortunately, I can't test with LO due to not being able to use *any* data source: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32948 I'm sorry but if this is only for an experiment, I don't see the point in keeping the library driver. As far as I know, nobody has used Adabas D since 2004, and the stuff is proprietary crippleware at best. There are much better options today if you want to use a serious database engine. Please note that even if the native Adabas D driver is disabled, you can still use the database engine with the JDBC or the ODBC driver: http://documentation.softwareag.com/adabas/aad1514/ineteng/chapter6.htm http://documentation.softwareag.com/adabas/aad1513/unxuseng/uxodbc.htm -- Francois Tigeot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Adabas database usage
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 01:18:47PM -0700, NoOp wrote: On 06/11/2011 12:42 PM, Francois Tigeot wrote: On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 11:47:54AM -0700, NoOp wrote: As far as I know, nobody has used Adabas D since 2004, and the stuff is proprietary crippleware at best. There are much better options today if you want to use a serious database engine. Then perhaps the driver should be updated to support Adabas 8.2? http://www.softwareag.com/corporate/products/new_releases/adabas/default.asp It can't be: the driver is for Adabas D and Adabas (no D) is a different product. The Community Edition is version 6.1.8. This Community Edition is an old, crippled version of the Adabas D product. Apart from the name, it has nothing to do with the real Adabas database; according to Wikipedia, Software AG bought the engine from a different company and renamed it in the 1990s. The PDF fact sheet on http://www.softwareag.com/Corporate/products/adabas/rela_3rd_prod/adad/default.asp is dated from 2007 and includes a reference to Adabas D 14; with such a version gap 4 years ago, I can't help believing the community version has been abandoned ... -- Francois Tigeot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Adabas database usage
Hi, In the past, some versions of StarOffice were bundled with a limited freeware version of the Adabas database engine. The Adabas support is still present in LibreOffice; howewer, I'm not sure if it is still used or if the free (as in beer) Adabas version is still available somewhere. I would like to know if some people still use it, and on which platforms. Thanks in advance, -- Francois Tigeot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Adabas database usage
Hi Alex, On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 05:39:34PM +0200, Alexander Thurgood wrote: Le 10/06/11 14:48, Francois Tigeot a écrit : The Adabas support is still present in LibreOffice; howewer, I'm not sure if it is still used or if the free (as in beer) Adabas version is still available somewhere. I would like to know if some people still use it, and on which platforms. I've just checked on Mac OSX and Adabas is not in the list of available db engines to which a user can connect. So, I can only assume that the only current way to do this in LibreOffice would be via macros or some other scripting language (if that) ? I'm not surprised you didn't find anything on Mac OSX: Adabas D support is only enabled on Windows NT and its descendants, Linux, Solaris Sparc and NetBSD. Additionally, the community edition of Adabas is only available for Windows Vista and 7 users, I just went over to Software AG's website and checked. [...] perhaps the adabas stuff is just obsolete ? This is what I'm trying to find out; the hardcoded list of platforms where it is enabled doesn't make sense. I'll have a word on the developpers channel; if nobody uses it anymore, I don't see why we couldn't disable Adabas D support everywhere. -- Francois Tigeot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Vendor string usage in third-party package of LibreOffice
Hi, On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 06:31:55PM +0200, André Schnabel wrote: Am 16.05.2011 17:58, schrieb Francois Tigeot: Just as an aside - with all that work you've done, we'd be honoured to receive your application as a TDF member. :) How can I do that ? And what does a membership entails ? What - see http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/CommunityBylaws#Membership How - fil in the form at https://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/application-for-tdf-community-membership/ Thanks André, will have a look. -- Francois Tigeot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[steering-discuss] Vendor string usage in third-party packages of LibreOffice
Hello, I'm a volunteer about to add some packaging scripts for LibreOffice in pkgsrc [1], and as such, I asked on the IRC developer's channel if there was a problem if I used The Document Foundation as a vendor string for the resulting packages. This is an extract of the exchanges I had on this channel: 11:30 ftigeot is there a policy on branding / the --with-vendor option ? 11:33 ftigeot would there be a problem if I use The Document Foundation in my packages ? 11:39 * ftigeot has just found http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TradeMark_Policy 11:40 ftigeot I will use The Document Foundation as vendor string 11:40 @mmeeks ftigeot: ho hum; if you are not the document foundation - don't do that. 11:40 @mmeeks ftigeot: I think that is the request of the branding guidelines. 11:40 @mmeeks ftigeot: TDF is only for TDF produced builds; LibreOffice is for everyone. 11:46 ftigeot mmeeks: the webpage says You may use the Marks without prior written permission (subject to the following terms): 11:46 ftigeot 1. To refer to the LibreOffice software in substantially unmodified form. 11:47 ftigeot with a definition of substantially unmodified which says the way I intend to package it is basically okay This is an extract of the TradeMark_Policy web page: You may use the Marks without prior written permission (subject to the following terms): 1. To refer to the LibreOffice software in substantially unmodified form. Substantially unmodified means built from the source code provided by TDF, possibly with minor modifications including but not limited to: the enabling or disabling of certain features by default, translations into other languages, changes required for compatibility with a particular operating system distribution, the inclusion of bug-fix patches, or the bundling of additional fonts, templates, artwork and extensions). The packaging scripts I am creating use the unmodified source code of LibreOffice and only change the default configuration options. According to the previously mentionned web page, the usage of The Document Foundation trademark is permitted in this case. According to Michael Meeks, it was not the intent of the Foundation to allow the usage of its brand in that case. Could this point be clarified ? If the usage of The Document Foundation trademark is not permitted for creating third-party packages, the information on the TradeMark_Policy webpage are contradictory. Thanks in advance for your answers [1] pkgsrc - http://www.pkgsrc.org/ - is a framework for building and packaging third-party software. It was originally created for NetBSD but is now supported on many systems, including Linux, MacOS X and Microsoft Windows (Interix) -- Francois Tigeot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Vendor string usage in third-party packages of LibreOffice
Hi Andre, On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 02:34:50PM +0200, Andre Schnabel wrote: Von: Francois Tigeot ftig...@wolfpond.org This is an extract of the TradeMark_Policy web page: [...] 1. To refer to the LibreOffice software in substantially unmodified form. Please note the wording refer to the LibreOffice software. So this chapter is meant for the software itself, not necessarily the vendor of the software. Hmm. This is a bit unclear. You mean the vendor would only be the packager, not The Document Foundation ? There is another paragraph in the policy: Non Permitted Use You may not use the marks in the following ways: 1. In any way likely to cause confusion as to the identity of TDF, the origin of its software, or the software's license; So in your case, there might be confusion what the origin of the sofware is - you are the vendor, but you are not TDF. I'm starting to realize the vendor term should be defined: I'm only writing packaging scripts, and many third-parties could use them to provide finished binary packages. The origin of the software, is clearly TDF: the source code is used as-is, without any modification. There may be some small platform-specific patches in the future but that's all. Therefore: It is absolutely ok to use the LibreOffice trademark, but it is questionable to use The Document Foundation trademark. Should I only use LibreOffice ? The wording on the about box would give this : This product was created by LibreOffice, based on OpenOffice.org, which is Copyright 2000, 2010 Oracle and/or its affiliates. Which will be a bit weird... If I understand it correctly, the way of building and distributing the pkgsrc version is very different from what we do within our project framework. Not really: pkgsrc is a framework to manage and build packages. LibreOffice is build in the same way as a regular developer would do it and the end result is a binary package, like a .deb or .rpm What I've been doing so far is: - make a list of the source code distribution files, as well as where to get them - add checksums for these files - define the dependencies needed to build and/or run LO (zip, cups, libxslt, etc...) - define the packages it may conflict with such as staroffice - specify some configuration options (disable opengl, use system libraries, etc...) - tell pkgsrc to launch the build with autogen.sh and gmake In a way, it's a machine readable specification of the build instructions available on the developers web page. So the way the vendors act are very different and this should be reflected in the vendor string. What is a vendor and what is very different here ? This is sounding a bit lame, but nowhere did I see a clarification of the name vendor, and what it should do or not. Kind Regards, -- Francois Tigeot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
