[tdf-discuss] Re: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review, prerequisite for balloting as OASIS Standard
I really hope that revision 1.2 allows for font embedding in ODF documents. IMO that is a (the?) major obstacle for sharing documents with other users. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/ANN-ODF-1-2-Candidate-OASIS-Standard-Enters-60-Day-Public-Review-prerequisite-for-balloting-as-OASISd-tp3102710p3104511.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review, prerequisite for balloting as OASIS Standard
Charles-H. Schulz wrote: > > So, let me state and restate this : ODF will not embed fonts in the > 1.2, 1.3, nor in the future, because the format is not meant to focus on > faithful layout rendering. Instead, PDF is meant that. ODF focuses on > office document exchanges. > If that is the OASIS opinion then TDF should bail out from the ODF file format ASAP. That decision makes ODF useless for presentation files created in Impress and for vectorial art created in Draw. Even some text documents and spreadsheets rely on the fonts used... PDF is a non-editable format. There is no similarity in function with ODF. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/ANN-ODF-1-2-Candidate-OASIS-Standard-Enters-60-Day-Public-Review-prerequisite-for-balloting-as-OASISd-tp3102710p3104664.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review, prerequisite for balloting as OASIS Standard
Charles-H. Schulz wrote: > > We're not talking about the same use cases. Embedding fonts create a > whole lot of different problems in terms of interoperability. > > But you're welcome to join the ODF TC, even as an individual. > I believe that there are many interoperability problems. But if ODF is not going to support font embedding in the near future then it is no alternative to the MS file formats for files where fonts are important such as presentations and vector art. Given this position from OASIS, LO developers should concentrate ASAP on adding the ability to embed fonts in MS formats (preferably the newer XML based formats) which already have this function. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/ANN-ODF-1-2-Candidate-OASIS-Standard-Enters-60-Day-Public-Review-prerequisite-for-balloting-as-OASISd-tp3102710p3105011.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review, prerequisite for balloting as OASIS Standard
Hello, Le Fri, 24 Jun 2011 07:48:54 -0700 (PDT), plino a écrit : > I really hope that revision 1.2 allows for font embedding in ODF > documents. > > IMO that is a (the?) major obstacle for sharing documents with other > users. So, let me state and restate this : ODF will not embed fonts in the 1.2, 1.3, nor in the future, because the format is not meant to focus on faithful layout rendering. Instead, PDF is meant that. ODF focuses on office document exchanges. Best, Charles. > > -- > View this message in context: > http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/ANN-ODF-1-2-Candidate-OASIS-Standard-Enters-60-Day-Public-Review-prerequisite-for-balloting-as-OASISd-tp3102710p3104511.html > Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > -- Charles-H. Schulz Membre du Comité exécutif The Document Foundation. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review, prerequisite for balloting as OASIS Standard
Le 2011-06-24 10:48, plino a écrit : I really hope that revision 1.2 allows for font embedding in ODF documents. IMO that is a (the?) major obstacle for sharing documents with other users. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/ANN-ODF-1-2-Candidate-OASIS-Standard-Enters-60-Day-Public-Review-prerequisite-for-balloting-as-OASISd-tp3102710p3104511.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. I think some of our TDF/SC members will be able to answer questions re: this as they are on the OASIS board. I thought Italo was that person. Cheers Marc -- Marc Paré http://www.parEntreprise.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review, prerequisite for balloting as OASIS Standard
Le Fri, 24 Jun 2011 11:11:41 -0400, Marc Paré a écrit : > Le 2011-06-24 10:48, plino a écrit : > > I really hope that revision 1.2 allows for font embedding in ODF > > documents. > > > > IMO that is a (the?) major obstacle for sharing documents with > > other users. > > > > -- > > View this message in context: > > http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/ANN-ODF-1-2-Candidate-OASIS-Standard-Enters-60-Day-Public-Review-prerequisite-for-balloting-as-OASISd-tp3102710p3104511.html > > Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > I think some of our TDF/SC members will be able to answer questions > re: this as they are on the OASIS board. I thought Italo was that > person. I am :-) (Thorsten is a member of the ODF TC) best, Charles. > > Cheers > > Marc > -- Charles-H. Schulz Membre du Comité exécutif The Document Foundation. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review, prerequisite for balloting as OASIS Standard
Le Fri, 24 Jun 2011 08:21:40 -0700 (PDT), plino a écrit : > > Charles-H. Schulz wrote: > > > > So, let me state and restate this : ODF will not embed fonts in the > > 1.2, 1.3, nor in the future, because the format is not meant to > > focus on faithful layout rendering. Instead, PDF is meant that. ODF > > focuses on office document exchanges. > > > > If that is the OASIS opinion then TDF should bail out from the ODF > file format ASAP. > > That decision makes ODF useless for presentation files created in > Impress and for vectorial art created in Draw. > > Even some text documents and spreadsheets rely on the fonts used... > > PDF is a non-editable format. There is no similarity in function with > ODF. We're not talking about the same use cases. Embedding fonts create a whole lot of different problems in terms of interoperability. But you're welcome to join the ODF TC, even as an individual. best, -- Charles-H. Schulz Membre du Comité exécutif The Document Foundation. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review, prerequisite for balloting as OASIS Standard
On 6/24/11 5:11 PM, Marc Paré wrote: I think some of our TDF/SC members will be able to answer questions re: this as they are on the OASIS board. I thought Italo was that person. No, is Charles. I am not involved in OASIS. -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review, prerequisite for balloting as OASIS Standard
plino wrote: Charles-H. Schulz wrote: So, let me state and restate this : ODF will not embed fonts in the 1.2, 1.3, nor in the future, because the format is not meant to focus on faithful layout rendering. Instead, PDF is meant that. ODF focuses on office document exchanges. As long as ODF has this inherent limitation it WILL NEVER SUCCEED as a universal document exchange format!!! For any document format to truly succeed, it must be UNIVERSAL. That means that it must be able to do what ODF does AND what PDF does. This is one area where specialization is not what is called for. So far, we have been using specialized software, text editors for some purposes, word processors for another set, and desktop publishers for still another. The future does not belong to such specialized programs, these represent the past! In the future the only writing programs that will succeed are those that can do ANYTHING as far as writing is concerned. And the only document formats that will succeed long term are those that can also do anything. If that is the OASIS opinion then TDF should bail out from the ODF file format ASAP. That decision makes ODF useless for presentation files created in Impress and for vectorial art created in Draw. Even some text documents and spreadsheets rely on the fonts used... PDF is a non-editable format. There is no similarity in function with ODF. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review, prerequisite for balloting as OASIS Standard
У пет, 24. 06 2011. у 14:03 -0500, Robert Derman пише: > > As long as ODF has this inherent limitation it WILL NEVER SUCCEED as a > universal document exchange format!!! Different formats exists with different goals. But there is this great thing called hybrid PDF document - it is a PDF with ODF embedded. You can view it in any PDF reader pixel-perfect, or open it as editable to create new works. It is not just about fonts, you have page page size and margins, page breaks, dynamic text, binary objects... If I am not mistaken, ODF does not specify how the output should exactly "look", but more how it should "feel". You can have a compliant ODF viewer targeting small screens, just like with HTML. Kind regards, Goran Rakic -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review, prerequisite for balloting as OASIS Standard
Le 2011-06-24 13:13, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit : Hello, Le Fri, 24 Jun 2011 07:48:54 -0700 (PDT), plino a écrit : I really hope that revision 1.2 allows for font embedding in ODF documents. IMO that is a (the?) major obstacle for sharing documents with other users. So, let me state and restate this : ODF will not embed fonts in the 1.2, 1.3, nor in the future, because the format is not meant to focus on faithful layout rendering. Instead, PDF is meant that. ODF focuses on office document exchanges. Best, Charles. Thanks for the information. It sounds like this has already been taken up with OASIS and it has arrived at a consensus to not embed fonts in any version. Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré http://www.parEntreprise.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review, prerequisite for balloting as OASIS Standard
Le 2011-06-24 13:13, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit : Hello, Le Fri, 24 Jun 2011 07:48:54 -0700 (PDT), plino a écrit : I really hope that revision 1.2 allows for font embedding in ODF documents. IMO that is a (the?) major obstacle for sharing documents with other users. So, let me state and restate this : ODF will not embed fonts in the 1.2, 1.3, nor in the future, because the format is not meant to focus on faithful layout rendering. Instead, PDF is meant that. ODF focuses on office document exchanges. Best, Charles. Hi Charles I wonder about this last statement, does this mean that if I download a copy of our documentation in .odt format, that if my font is missing from my machine that I will not be able to print a high quality version of that documentation. And worse, if I download a copy of a writer, impress file or draw and wish to print it off in its native file, that I would then have to hunt around and make sure that all of the necessary fonts used in a particular document would have to be installed on my machine so that I could get a high quality print from it? Just wondering. Cheers Marc -- Marc Paré http://www.parEntreprise.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review, prerequisite for balloting as OASIS Standard
On 2011-06-24, Marc Paré wrote: > Le 2011-06-24 13:13, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit : >> Hello, >> >> Le Fri, 24 Jun 2011 07:48:54 -0700 (PDT), >> plino a écrit : >> >>> I really hope that revision 1.2 allows for font embedding in ODF >>> documents. >>> >>> IMO that is a (the?) major obstacle for sharing documents with other >>> users. >> >> So, let me state and restate this : ODF will not embed fonts in the >> 1.2, 1.3, nor in the future, because the format is not meant to focus on >> faithful layout rendering. Instead, PDF is meant that. ODF focuses on >> office document exchanges. >> > I wonder about this last statement, does this mean that if I download > a copy of our documentation in .odt format, that if my font is missing > from my machine that I will not be able to print a high quality > version of that documentation. You will be able to print an high-quality version. It will just use another font. I mean, you lose quality in the meaning the font used is not the intended, but you don't lose quality as in definition or content. > And worse, if I download a copy of a > writer, impress file or draw and wish to print it off in its native > file, that I would then have to hunt around and make sure that all of > the necessary fonts used in a particular document would have to be > installed on my machine so that I could get a high quality print from > it? To be sure documents print the same way in different computers, you should use Adobe PostScript or Adobe Portable Document Format. I don't mean font embedding is not needed, but just that you're looking into a part of the problem that already has a solution, as far as you don't need the document to be editable. -- Nuno J. Silva (aka njsg) gopher://sdf-eu.org/1/users/njsg -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review, prerequisite for balloting as OASIS Standard
Le 2011-06-24 18:01, Nuno J. Silva a écrit : On 2011-06-24, Marc Paré wrote: Le 2011-06-24 13:13, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit : Hello, Le Fri, 24 Jun 2011 07:48:54 -0700 (PDT), plino a écrit : I really hope that revision 1.2 allows for font embedding in ODF documents. IMO that is a (the?) major obstacle for sharing documents with other users. So, let me state and restate this : ODF will not embed fonts in the 1.2, 1.3, nor in the future, because the format is not meant to focus on faithful layout rendering. Instead, PDF is meant that. ODF focuses on office document exchanges. I wonder about this last statement, does this mean that if I download a copy of our documentation in .odt format, that if my font is missing from my machine that I will not be able to print a high quality version of that documentation. You will be able to print an high-quality version. It will just use another font. I mean, you lose quality in the meaning the font used is not the intended, but you don't lose quality as in definition or content. Yes, I understand, however, the look in print will not be exactly what the author had first set it to be. And worse, if I download a copy of a writer, impress file or draw and wish to print it off in its native file, that I would then have to hunt around and make sure that all of the necessary fonts used in a particular document would have to be installed on my machine so that I could get a high quality print from it? To be sure documents print the same way in different computers, you should use Adobe PostScript or Adobe Portable Document Format. I don't mean font embedding is not needed, but just that you're looking into a part of the problem that already has a solution, as far as you don't need the document to be editable. Yes, we are discussing this in another thread at the moment. It would be nice if this were possible in our native ODF. Cheers marc -- Marc Paré http://www.parEntreprise.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review, prerequisite for balloting as OASIS Standard
On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 21:21:34 +0200 Goran Rakic wrote: > У пет, 24. 06 2011. у 14:03 -0500, Robert Derman пише: > > > > As long as ODF has this inherent limitation it WILL NEVER SUCCEED > > as a universal document exchange format!!! > > > Different formats exists with different goals. But there is this great > thing called hybrid PDF document - it is a PDF with ODF embedded. Interesting, didn't know about this! I was just going to propose something similiar: ODF documents with embedded PDF files for read-only and exact output purposes. > You can view it in any PDF reader pixel-perfect, or open it as > editable to create new works. So I do not need to have two versions of the document on my harddrive (odt and pdf) any longer. But I assume it is not possible to open that file with other ODF compatible programs, or is it possible to extract the odf document somehow? > It is not just about fonts, you have page page size and margins, page > breaks, dynamic text, binary objects... But most of this should already be part of the ODF document? > If I am not mistaken, ODF does > not specify how the output should exactly "look", but more how it > should "feel". You can have a compliant ODF viewer targeting small > screens, just like with HTML. Manfred -- Manfred Usselmann -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review, prerequisite for balloting as OASIS Standard
Marc Paré wrote: Le 2011-06-24 18:01, Nuno J. Silva a écrit : On 2011-06-24, Marc Paré wrote: Le 2011-06-24 13:13, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit : Hello, Le Fri, 24 Jun 2011 07:48:54 -0700 (PDT), plino a écrit : I really hope that revision 1.2 allows for font embedding in ODF documents. IMO that is a (the?) major obstacle for sharing documents with other users. So, let me state and restate this : ODF will not embed fonts in the 1.2, 1.3, nor in the future, because the format is not meant to focus on faithful layout rendering. Instead, PDF is meant that. ODF focuses on office document exchanges. This could eventually destroy ODF as a viable world standard if at some point some software company or organization comes up with a popular program (example Microsoft) that embeds fonts so that anyone editing the document, viewing it, or printing it uses the same font chosen by the original author. No computer standard is likely to survive long term as long as adamant decisions are (carved in stone) and not left to future users to contramand if deemed expedient. I wonder about this last statement, does this mean that if I download a copy of our documentation in .odt format, that if my font is missing from my machine that I will not be able to print a high quality version of that documentation. You will be able to print an high-quality version. It will just use another font. I mean, you lose quality in the meaning the font used is not the intended, but you don't lose quality as in definition or content. Yes, I understand, however, the look in print will not be exactly what the author had first set it to be. And worse, if I download a copy of a writer, impress file or draw and wish to print it off in its native file, that I would then have to hunt around and make sure that all of the necessary fonts used in a particular document would have to be installed on my machine so that I could get a high quality print from it? To be sure documents print the same way in different computers, you should use Adobe PostScript or Adobe Portable Document Format. I don't mean font embedding is not needed, but just that you're looking into a part of the problem that already has a solution, as far as you don't need the document to be editable. Yes, we are discussing this in another thread at the moment. It would be nice if this were possible in our native ODF. Cheers marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review, prerequisite for balloting as OASIS Standard
Le 2011-06-25 16:35, Robert Derman a écrit : This could eventually destroy ODF as a viable world standard if at some point some software company or organization comes up with a popular program (example Microsoft) that embeds fonts so that anyone editing the document, viewing it, or printing it uses the same font chosen by the original author. No computer standard is likely to survive long term as long as adamant decisions are (carved in stone) and not left to future users to contramand if deemed expedient. While not agreeing that it will destroy ODF, I do agree that the approach to ODF needs to be proactive in order to remain competitive and, at the very least, try to lead the pack as far as document formats. From what I understand from the discussion, there is still room for innovation and LibreOffice is well positioned to offer some leadership in such proposals. Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré http://www.parEntreprise.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review, prerequisite for balloting as OASIS Standard
Hi Robert, 2011/6/25 Robert Derman : > This could eventually destroy ODF as a viable world standard if at some > point some software company or organization comes up with a popular program > (example Microsoft) that embeds fonts so that anyone editing the document, > viewing it, or printing it uses the same font chosen by the original author. > No computer standard is likely to survive long term as long as adamant > decisions are (carved in stone) and not left to future users to contramand > if deemed expedient. I think that is a bit harsh, don't you think? FWIW, here is a description of how Microsoft Office supports embedding of fonts in documents and the limitations to it. If you want to take a look at how this is achieved in OOXML, take a look at OOXML section 17.8.1 Font Embedding. :o) -- Jesper Lund Stocholm www.idippedut.dk SC34/WG4 http://www.itscj.ipsj.or.jp/sc34/wg4/ -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review, prerequisite for balloting as OASIS Standard
On 27/06/11 6:44 AM, Jesper Lund Stocholm wrote: Hi Robert, 2011/6/25 Robert Derman: This could eventually destroy ODF as a viable world standard if at some point some software company or organization comes up with a popular program (example Microsoft) that embeds fonts so that anyone editing the document, viewing it, or printing it uses the same font chosen by the original author. No computer standard is likely to survive long term as long as adamant decisions are (carved in stone) and not left to future users to contramand if deemed expedient. I think that is a bit harsh, don't you think? FWIW, here is a description of how Microsoft Office supports embedding of fonts in documents and the limitations to it. If you want to take a look at how this is achieved in OOXML, take a look at OOXML section 17.8.1 Font Embedding. :o) Hi. Was that an attachment or a link to the MS document. Attachments are not supported in the list. steve -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review, prerequisite for balloting as OASIS Standard
Jesper Lund Stocholm wrote: Hi Robert, 2011/6/25 Robert Derman : This could eventually destroy ODF as a viable world standard if at some point some software company or organization comes up with a popular program (example Microsoft) that embeds fonts so that anyone editing the document, viewing it, or printing it uses the same font chosen by the original author. No computer standard is likely to survive long term as long as adamant decisions are (carved in stone) and not left to future users to contramand if deemed expedient. I think that is a bit harsh, don't you think? Not really, I did say could, not would. If there is anything that watching the evolution of computers and software over the last 30 years has taught me it is that there is no way to predict what will happen in the future, so it is unwise in the extreme to be too adamant about what must be, going forward. FWIW, here is a description of how Microsoft Office supports embedding of fonts in documents and the limitations to it. If you want to take a look at how this is achieved in OOXML, take a look at OOXML section 17.8.1 Font Embedding. :o) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review, prerequisite for balloting as OASIS Standard
Hi Steve, 2011/6/26 Steve Edmonds : > > > On 27/06/11 6:44 AM, Jesper Lund Stocholm wrote: >> FWIW, here is a description of how Microsoft Office supports embedding >> of fonts in documents and the limitations to it. If you want to take a >> look at how this is achieved in OOXML, take a look at OOXML section >> 17.8.1 Font Embedding. >> >> :o) >> > Hi. Was that an attachment or a link to the MS document. Attachments are not > supported in the list. No - that was just me forgetting to include the link to the description of how Microsoft 2007++ does it - my apologies. Here it is: http://wordribbon.tips.net/T006073_Embedding_Fonts_in_a_Document.html :o) -- Jesper Lund Stocholm www.idippedut.dk SC34/WG4 http://www.itscj.ipsj.or.jp/sc34/wg4/ -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review, prerequisite for balloting as OASIS Standard
On 27/06/11 7:04 AM, Robert Derman wrote: Jesper Lund Stocholm wrote: Hi Robert, 2011/6/25 Robert Derman : This could eventually destroy ODF as a viable world standard if at some point some software company or organization comes up with a popular program (example Microsoft) that embeds fonts so that anyone editing the document, viewing it, or printing it uses the same font chosen by the original author. No computer standard is likely to survive long term as long as adamant decisions are (carved in stone) and not left to future users to contramand if deemed expedient. I think that is a bit harsh, don't you think? Not really, I did say could, not would. If there is anything that watching the evolution of computers and software over the last 30 years has taught me it is that there is no way to predict what will happen in the future, so it is unwise in the extreme to be too adamant about what must be, going forward. FWIW, here is a description of how Microsoft Office supports embedding of fonts in documents and the limitations to it. If you want to take a look at how this is achieved in OOXML, take a look at OOXML section 17.8.1 Font Embedding. :o) Hi. Can the ODF file format not include a container for user-data. May be specifying how that data should be catalogued but not what that data is. There is no worry about legalities in regards ODF and placing fonts in that data. Then LO would be free to place fonts in that "user-data" and use them as required for faithfull document transferal. Provides a solution while the debate continues. steve -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
