Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Vision/Mission
Hi Johannes, Omar On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 5:50 PM, Omar Paz wrote: > 2010/12/3 Johannes A. Bodwing > > > Hello, > > > > late, but I found it just right now. > > > >> Hi, :-) > >> > >> On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 12:20, Sonic4Spuds > wrote: > >> > >>> "productivity software for home and office" > >>> > >> > >> > > Corel calls Word Perfect Office X5 "The essential office suite for home > and > > business". > Maybe that is why I haven't seen Word Perfect installed on a machine locally (State Of Ohio US) since 1998. The users I know think MSO when they see the words "essential office suite." > > > > > > For LO I think, it has to hook up into the real working of users; that > > means what users realy do with Office-Software (realize ideas, writing > texts > > e.g.) like: > > LibreOffice is The (Software)Collection to create your ideas (everytime, > > everywhere and with indivudial style) > > > > > Este suena bien > > > LibreOffice - The (Software)Collection to make your ideas real > > > > > Un poco mas pequeño > "LibreOffice - make your ideas real" > > > > > > LibreOffice - The (Software)Collection to realize your ideas in home or > > office > > LibreOffice - Software for fine Workings in Text and Graphik > > LibreOffice - Fine Software to improve your Work > > LibreOffice - One more step to better Texts and Graphiks > > > > and so on > > > > or: LibreOffice - it's just for You > IMO, this is one hits closer to home for American users. They like things that are designed just for them individually, in reality or implied. Americans are a possessive bunch. That is why their is so much hardware, software and websites named in the possessive. Think... Me, My, Mine. I am sure you have noticed MS goes overboard with My... My... My... Like: LibreOffice - Designed For You or maybe Ubuntu style: LibreOffice - Designed For People Go LibO ;>) lpcoch > > > Johannes > > > > -- > > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to > > discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org > > > > > Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ > > *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** > > > > > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to > discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org > Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ > *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Vision/Mission
2010/12/3 Johannes A. Bodwing > Hello, > > late, but I found it just right now. > >> Hi, :-) >> >> On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 12:20, Sonic4Spuds wrote: >> >>> "productivity software for home and office" >>> >> >> > Corel calls Word Perfect Office X5 "The essential office suite for home and > business". > > > For LO I think, it has to hook up into the real working of users; that > means what users realy do with Office-Software (realize ideas, writing texts > e.g.) like: > LibreOffice is The (Software)Collection to create your ideas (everytime, > everywhere and with indivudial style) > Este suena bien > LibreOffice - The (Software)Collection to make your ideas real > Un poco mas pequeño "LibreOffice - make your ideas real" > LibreOffice - The (Software)Collection to realize your ideas in home or > office > LibreOffice - Software for fine Workings in Text and Graphik > LibreOffice - Fine Software to improve your Work > LibreOffice - One more step to better Texts and Graphiks > > and so on > > or: LibreOffice - it's just for You > > Johannes > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to > discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org > Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ > *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Vision/Mission
Hello, late, but I found it just right now. Hi, :-) On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 12:20, Sonic4Spuds wrote: "productivity software for home and office" Corel calls Word Perfect Office X5 "The essential office suite for home and business". For LO I think, it has to hook up into the real working of users; that means what users realy do with Office-Software (realize ideas, writing texts e.g.) like: LibreOffice is The (Software)Collection to create your ideas (everytime, everywhere and with indivudial style) LibreOffice - The (Software)Collection to make your ideas real LibreOffice - The (Software)Collection to realize your ideas in home or office LibreOffice - Software for fine Workings in Text and Graphik LibreOffice - Fine Software to improve your Work LibreOffice - One more step to better Texts and Graphiks and so on or: LibreOffice - it's just for You Johannes -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Vision/Mission
- Original Message > From: Charles-H. Schulz > 2010/11/25 Thorsten Wilms > > On Thu, 2010-11-25 at 10:09 +0100, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: > > > > > I would be very surprised if the original mission statement were to be > > > changed at that stage. So perhaps the Mission page that was opened > > recently > > > may not be where your contributions may be the most effective. > > > > Quoting Bernhard Dippold on the marketing list, who did understand me > > right: > > > > >If I understand Thorsten right, his aim is not the TDF mission > > >statement you link to, but the LibreOffice community mission statement. > > > > > >On the TDF page the mission is stated as "to facilitate the evolution > > >of the [...] community into a new structure ... and co-ordinate > > >activity across the community." > > > > > >This is about the way TDF supports LibreOffice. > > > > > >But our goals as community have not been defined by now - we just > > >inherited them from OOo. > > > > Archived at: > > http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/msg01404.html > > > > Well, again, we need to populate to website that currently sits on > test.libreoffice.org > I would be grateful if you could help with this. This is an urgent task. The > rest can wait. > While I agree that it needs to be populated, I would also agree with Thorsten. How is one to fully organize and fill out the website without understanding the mission of the community which TDF is serving? Or even the sub-missions thereof? TDF has a mission: > > >On the TDF page the mission is stated as "to facilitate the evolution > > >of the [...] community into a new structure ... and co-ordinate > > >activity across the community." But the TDF/LO project also has a mission: On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 12:20, Sonic4Spuds wrote: > "productivity software for home and office" which falls under TDF's above mission. Part of updating and filling out the website is realizing that, and acting upon it, giving guidance within each respective site and sub-site per their respective missions. In other words - the two are intricately linked. $0.02 Ben -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Vision/Mission
Thorsten, 2010/11/25 Thorsten Wilms > On Thu, 2010-11-25 at 10:09 +0100, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: > > > I would be very surprised if the original mission statement were to be > > changed at that stage. So perhaps the Mission page that was opened > recently > > may not be where your contributions may be the most effective. > > Quoting Bernhard Dippold on the marketing list, who did understand me > right: > > >If I understand Thorsten right, his aim is not the TDF mission > >statement you link to, but the LibreOffice community mission statement. > > > >On the TDF page the mission is stated as "to facilitate the evolution > >of the [...] community into a new structure ... and co-ordinate > >activity across the community." > > > >This is about the way TDF supports LibreOffice. > > > >But our goals as community have not been defined by now - we just > >inherited them from OOo. > > Archived at: > http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/msg01404.html > Well, again, we need to populate to website that currently sits on test.libreoffice.org I would be grateful if you could help with this. This is an urgent task. The rest can wait. Thanks Charles. > > > -- > Thorsten Wilms > > thorwil's design for free software: > http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ > > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to > discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org > Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ > *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Vision/Mission
On Thu, 2010-11-25 at 10:09 +0100, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: > I would be very surprised if the original mission statement were to be > changed at that stage. So perhaps the Mission page that was opened recently > may not be where your contributions may be the most effective. Quoting Bernhard Dippold on the marketing list, who did understand me right: >If I understand Thorsten right, his aim is not the TDF mission >statement you link to, but the LibreOffice community mission statement. > >On the TDF page the mission is stated as "to facilitate the evolution >of the [...] community into a new structure ... and co-ordinate >activity across the community." > >This is about the way TDF supports LibreOffice. > >But our goals as community have not been defined by now - we just >inherited them from OOo. Archived at: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/msg01404.html -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Vision/Mission
Hello all, I would be very surprised if the original mission statement were to be changed at that stage. So perhaps the Mission page that was opened recently may not be where your contributions may be the most effective. May I kindly remind you that we absolutely and urgently need to populate the website (currently accessible here: http://test.libreoffice.org) and that we do have other tasks listed here: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Work_Items Your help is welcome! Charles-H. Schulz. 2010/11/25 David Nelson > Hi, :-) > > On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 12:20, Sonic4Spuds wrote: > > "productivity software for home and office" > > +2 > > David Nelson > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to > discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org > Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ > *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Vision/Mission
Hi, :-) On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 12:20, Sonic4Spuds wrote: > "productivity software for home and office" +2 David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Vision/Mission
On 11/24/2010 03:47 PM, Barbara Duprey wrote: On 11/24/2010 12:27 PM, David Nelson wrote: Hi, :-) On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 01:27, Carl Symons wrote: I use LibreOffice, but I don't use an "office productivity solution" I'd prefer "personal productivity software" or "personal productivity package"... 0.2 cents. David Nelson How about "productivity software for home and office"? +1 Sounds professional. I think that a Professional feel is something that many opensource projects lack. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Vision/Mission
On 11/24/2010 12:27 PM, David Nelson wrote: Hi, :-) On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 01:27, Carl Symons wrote: I use LibreOffice, but I don't use an "office productivity solution" I'd prefer "personal productivity software" or "personal productivity package"... 0.2 cents. David Nelson How about "productivity software for home and office"? -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Vision/Mission
Hi, :-) On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 01:27, Carl Symons wrote: > I use LibreOffice, but I don't use an "office productivity solution" I'd prefer "personal productivity software" or "personal productivity package"... 0.2 cents. David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Vision/Mission
On Wed, 2010-11-24 at 09:27 -0800, Carl Symons wrote: > I use LibreOffice, but I don't use an "office productivity solution" > (c&p'd from Mission). What's needed is a phrase that accurately and > succinctly provides a conceptual container for LibreOffice elements. > Something that connects for users. To me, "office productivity > solution" or "office suite" sound like overblown marketing (no offense > meant by that). I agree that the terms "office productivity solution" and "office suite" are problematic. But note that the vision/mission statements are not directed at the public, but to the project. That means clearness trumps catchiness. How the vision/mission statement and values as a whole or in aspects can be communicated to the public is a secondary issue. > "LibreOffice" already locates the products in the Office world. It may > be that people now associate "Office" with the kinds of tasks that > LibreOffice supports. But how about a student paper, a recipe > collection, and other activities that are not really done at or in an > office? Be it MS Office or any other office suite, the tools are used in other contexts as offices, no doubt. However, I would like to avoid pulling in multimedia authoring, scientific computing and enterprise-grade database management with a too broad statement ;) > How about just a simple statement of the LibreOffice components? > Suggestions below, none of which do the trick for me, but maybe a > trigger for more creative people... As mentioned, the statement should focus on the needs and wants to be addressed, not specific solution. Listing the components implies that they are the correct solutions as is. > LibreOffice Tools for Work > Software for writing, presenting and record-keeping > LibreOffice Collection > LibreOffice Tools for (the) People "writing, presenting and record-keeping" might hit what it actually is about pretty well. Thanks! -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Vision/Mission
I don't care what its called.. I just want to to open a document so I can view and optionally ammed and even save it.. Simple as that for an enduser point of view. As long as its in the same format x-platform I'm happy I dont really care how its works, I just want an interface thats easy to install does what it says on the tin and done.. ta pete On 24 November 2010 17:27, Carl Symons wrote: > On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 2:51 AM, Thorsten Wilms wrote: >> Hi! >> >> This only saw a little bit of discussion on the marketing list (after >> the first draft was met with silence here). >> >> I like the interpretation, that there is not much to anything >> objectionable or to add, better than the alternatives, so I went on and >> placed the newest version on: >> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Mission >> >> Actually, I would really like to have a better definition of what is >> being addressed with a so called office suite. What's the thing that >> ties the package together? >> >> >> -- >> Thorsten Wilms >> > > I use LibreOffice, but I don't use an "office productivity solution" > (c&p'd from Mission). What's needed is a phrase that accurately and > succinctly provides a conceptual container for LibreOffice elements. > Something that connects for users. To me, "office productivity > solution" or "office suite" sound like overblown marketing (no offense > meant by that). > > Kudos to Microsoft for laying claim to "Office". The "kleenex" of > business software...a generic name. Microsoft also use "office suite", > and have likely somewhere used something about "office productivity". > > "LibreOffice" already locates the products in the Office world. It may > be that people now associate "Office" with the kinds of tasks that > LibreOffice supports. But how about a student paper, a recipe > collection, and other activities that are not really done at or in an > office? > > How about just a simple statement of the LibreOffice components? > Suggestions below, none of which do the trick for me, but maybe a > trigger for more creative people... > > LibreOffice Tools for Work > Software for writing, presenting and record-keeping > LibreOffice Collection > LibreOffice Tools for (the) People > > This is a hard question, Thorsten. But it's a good one to communicate > whatever sets LibO apart. > > Carl > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org > Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ > *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] Re: Vision/Mission
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 2:51 AM, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > Hi! > > This only saw a little bit of discussion on the marketing list (after > the first draft was met with silence here). > > I like the interpretation, that there is not much to anything > objectionable or to add, better than the alternatives, so I went on and > placed the newest version on: > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Mission > > Actually, I would really like to have a better definition of what is > being addressed with a so called office suite. What's the thing that > ties the package together? > > > -- > Thorsten Wilms > I use LibreOffice, but I don't use an "office productivity solution" (c&p'd from Mission). What's needed is a phrase that accurately and succinctly provides a conceptual container for LibreOffice elements. Something that connects for users. To me, "office productivity solution" or "office suite" sound like overblown marketing (no offense meant by that). Kudos to Microsoft for laying claim to "Office". The "kleenex" of business software...a generic name. Microsoft also use "office suite", and have likely somewhere used something about "office productivity". "LibreOffice" already locates the products in the Office world. It may be that people now associate "Office" with the kinds of tasks that LibreOffice supports. But how about a student paper, a recipe collection, and other activities that are not really done at or in an office? How about just a simple statement of the LibreOffice components? Suggestions below, none of which do the trick for me, but maybe a trigger for more creative people... LibreOffice Tools for Work Software for writing, presenting and record-keeping LibreOffice Collection LibreOffice Tools for (the) People This is a hard question, Thorsten. But it's a good one to communicate whatever sets LibO apart. Carl -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
