Re: [tdf-discuss] [WEBSITE] Improvements for the wiki?
Hi Nino! I try to add some thoughts to better understand what my intention is. Skipping the Wiki discussion a bit and go to ... Am Mittwoch, den 06.10.2010, 11:45 +0200 schrieb Nino Novak: [...] > > > A wiki is a wiki is a wiki - so just set one up and let it > > > self-organize. Do not define too much contstraints in advance. > > > > It's less about constraints, but to provide some basis to work on it. > > Once we get the wiki, it will be (or maybe become) our primary > > platform to share information. So my aim is to reduce the initial > > hurdles ... > > The problem I see (and have addressed in the other mail) are: > - who are *we* ??? Basically, tdf has announced its foundation. Some > people are setting up an OOo fork & infrastructure. Other do not like > to mention the word "fork" at all. > > Therefore, I strongly suggest to set up an empty wiki and NOT make the > mistake to make any assumption about it structure in advance. > > At least for me, TDF seems to aim to develop (in general terms) the best > "ODF-user-interface" possible. But still nobody knows if forking OOo is > the way to go or - just to bring in some differet ideas - integrating > KOffice code with OOo code?, or setting up a product independend > worldwide ODF QA community which just organizes testing? or doing > mainly UX work? Or... we simply don't know. Let's have a look at the mission by those, who want to establish TDF: "[...] We will protect past investments by building on the solid achievements of our first decade [...]" Project investments means, that it is - at the moment - primarily about LibreOffice when talking about software. A piece of software, where we (all together) invested a lot of effort. It is still be developed and it requires maintenance. Thus, we can learn a lot from the past/current experiences when developing OpenOffice.org. So - at least this is my take - we can get a clear high-level understanding what will be required. Having the TDF, there is also the potential to enhance the software or to start real new things ... and now, it nicely fits to your proposals. > And - what structure do all the people involved want? How do we > organize? Who will be responsible for what? How do we want to organize > decision processes? Representative elections? and so on... > > Therefore my guess is: let the community decide! I think you are aware of the mail by André who provided some brief statement what the current status is - with regard to the TDF group. However, I don't understand yet why things like "shaping a front page", or doing some rough categorization like "Website", "Marketing", ... heavily affects the processes you are talking about. It is just a wiki, that has to be filled with content and will be refined over time. We just provide a starting point ... and referring to your latter statement: we are the community, and we are here at the very moment ;-) > > Absolutely, that is the reason for my questions :-) Most of you are > > already actively using wikis, so why not learn from your experience > > right from the start? > > Because our experiences are related to different communities / groups. If this would be true, then "somebody" would just create "something". Of course, this "somebody" hopes that this might be the perfect solution, but there are other people who do have a different opinion. Now we are in the dilemma of User Experience ... shaping something for people with different tasks, background, culture, ... and at the end it shall still work well. The good thing is, that many people interested in FLOSS and LibreOffice are already here to discuss their experiences and their expectations. So I expect a rather good outcome :-) [...] > > > And concerning "users of the wiki", Liz (being part of the OOo UX > > Team), did a survey last year to check whether people are happy with > > the OOoWiki: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/a_peek_at_the_wiki > > Do you really just want to copy OOowiki and apply some improvements? > > Well, it's one possibility, but my feeling about this new community > which is just about starting to form - they should be given a solid > infrastructure but not told where to go. It seems we talk about different levels of structure. I am talking about something similar to our "website" mailing list. So we might get a "website" category and a "website" start page. That's it ... does it enforce how to work with it? To me, it just makes things discoverable when people start to add content (documentation, best practices, ...). > > Currently, I lack some more details, but hey, why are we here? > > > > > All that said, I'd prefere to have a wiki farm for different > > > languages and not one multilanguage wiki - just to enhance > > > usability (mainly the search function). > > > > It seems that we get quite a pile of "related to language" > > requirements. > > yes, the international collaboration should be supported as good as > possible :) Not only t
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Hi Benjamin, all, thanks for your kind offer! But before I continue - many of you may have noticed that we know have some dedicated website mailing list. It is meant for coordination of all the web presence stuff like the Website, the Wiki, the Planet, ... So I propose to continue our discussion there, once all the interested people are subscribed. You http://www.documentfoundation.org/contact/ Am Dienstag, den 05.10.2010, 20:03 -0400 schrieb Benjamin Horst: > Clearly, multilingual support will be very important to a successful > wiki. Will we have pages generated in one language and then translated > to others, or do we expect unique pages to be developed in lots of > languages? My guess is that we need to support both--core content will > be translated and mirrored in many languages, while certain content > (especially local projects, for example) will generate new unique > content in their languages. > > I've investigated briefly and found this possible approach to the > problem: http://foswiki.org/Extensions/TopicTranslationsPlugin I talked with the current "he does a lot of things at the same time"-admin and it seems that he proposes MediaWiki. So I asked him for resolving the language issue ... and there are two answers at the moment: a) If we are fine with an English only / mixed language wiki, then we might get a wiki tomorrow. b) If we require to handle the language thing in a nice way, then some more preparations are required that will need a bit more time. Concerning the latter, I had a look how Wikipedia handles that ... this seems good to me. As far as I understood, there is a need for a "Wiki family" that can inter-link several wikis. Each of the wikis is then accessible via an own sub-domain ... the search will work fine, and resources like images could be shared. That is what I (a less technical guy) understands ... Is there anybody (on this list) who has some experience with that? :-) > I also strongly support Regina's earlier points, especially regarding > the licensing of content community members add. That may be something > to add to the footer of each page in the wiki. Absolutely! We are really aware of that, since the license is important if we want to share our work ... [...] > > Just a question: Do you expect news to be in the Wiki, or on the rather > > website? Or both? > > I'd like us to consider using the wiki for the website, or at least > for a large part of it. (My comment above, "why not use the wiki for > the main part of the site..." was meant to convey that idea.) Ahh, okay. Since we don't have a dedicated website for LibreOffice yet, this would be more than fine. Still, I do like the front page of the Fedora Wiki very much (hint hint *g*). > Regardless of whether we decide on using the wiki for the main site, I > think a strong case can be made to use it to manage our News page. (I > would not recommend duplicating content, News or other, on both the > wiki and separately elsewhere on the site. We should ultimately choose > just one location, wherever it is.) Agreed :-) Cheers, Christoph -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] [WEBSITE] Improvements for the wiki?
On Wednesday 06 October 2010 00:55, Christoph Noack wrote: > Am Dienstag, den 05.10.2010, 10:08 +0200 schrieb Nino Novak: > > On Monday 04 October 2010 23:54, Christoph Noack wrote: > > > ... > > > Step forward, and share your thoughts, > > > too, please! But how to get started ... I mean ... without a wiki > > > to document the statements. > > > > A wiki is a wiki is a wiki - so just set one up and let it > > self-organize. Do not define too much contstraints in advance. > > It's less about constraints, but to provide some basis to work on it. > Once we get the wiki, it will be (or maybe become) our primary > platform to share information. So my aim is to reduce the initial > hurdles ... The problem I see (and have addressed in the other mail) are: - who are *we* ??? Basically, tdf has announced its foundation. Some people are setting up an OOo fork & infrastructure. Other do not like to mention the word "fork" at all. Therefore, I strongly suggest to set up an empty wiki and NOT make the mistake to make any assumption about it structure in advance. At least for me, TDF seems to aim to develop (in general terms) the best "ODF-user-interface" possible. But still nobody knows if forking OOo is the way to go or - just to bring in some differet ideas - integrating KOffice code with OOo code?, or setting up a product independend worldwide ODF QA community which just organizes testing? or doing mainly UX work? Or... we simply don't know. And - what structure do all the people involved want? How do we organize? Who will be responsible for what? How do we want to organize decision processes? Representative elections? and so on... Therefore my guess is: let the community decide! > Absolutely, that is the reason for my questions :-) Most of you are > already actively using wikis, so why not learn from your experience > right from the start? Because our experiences are related to different communities / groups. My first question would be: Who is willing to take responsibility for the wiki? Who does supportive/admin work? Who will support this new community - whereever it decides to go? The opener you are in the beginning, the better the commitment will be later as people will get the feeling "I have done it" or "I have influenced it, therefore it's my thing". > And concerning "users of the wiki", Liz (being part of the OOo UX > Team), did a survey last year to check whether people are happy with > the OOoWiki: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/a_peek_at_the_wiki Do you really just want to copy OOowiki and apply some improvements? Well, it's one possibility, but my feeling about this new community which is just about starting to form - they should be given a solid infrastructure but not told where to go. > Currently, I lack some more details, but hey, why are we here? > > > All that said, I'd prefere to have a wiki farm for different > > languages and not one multilanguage wiki - just to enhance > > usability (mainly the search function). > > It seems that we get quite a pile of "related to language" > requirements. yes, the international collaboration should be supported as good as possible :) Nino -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] [WEBSITE] Improvements for the wiki?
Clearly, multilingual support will be very important to a successful wiki. Will we have pages generated in one language and then translated to others, or do we expect unique pages to be developed in lots of languages? My guess is that we need to support both--core content will be translated and mirrored in many languages, while certain content (especially local projects, for example) will generate new unique content in their languages. I've investigated briefly and found this possible approach to the problem: http://foswiki.org/Extensions/TopicTranslationsPlugin I also strongly support Regina's earlier points, especially regarding the licensing of content community members add. That may be something to add to the footer of each page in the wiki. One additional note below... -Ben On Oct 5, 2010, at 6:38 PM, Christoph Noack wrote: > Hi Benjamin, > > great collection :-) > > Am Dienstag, den 05.10.2010, 07:38 -0400 schrieb Benjamin Horst: >> I agree that overthinking and overburdening a wiki with rigid process is >> harmful, but some upfront organization and planning is still necessary. > > Yes, rigid processes are harmful for a wiki - even if they want to > achieve something good. But as you already point out, I'd like to guide > some people initially, to not get lost. If one doesn't find information, > then it is like nobody ever published it :-\ > >> Some major sections that could be defined in the wiki: >> >> - Site Home (why not use the wiki for the main part of the site, including >> the homepage and download page?) >> - Documentation (bring this dynamic and enthusiastic group back home to the >> main site) >> - Development (public planning and release schedule) >> - Community Council (private section, if desired) >> - News > > Just a question: Do you expect news to be in the Wiki, or on the rather > website? Or both? I'd like us to consider using the wiki for the website, or at least for a large part of it. (My comment above, "why not use the wiki for the main part of the site..." was meant to convey that idea.) Regardless of whether we decide on using the wiki for the main site, I think a strong case can be made to use it to manage our News page. (I would not recommend duplicating content, News or other, on both the wiki and separately elsewhere on the site. We should ultimately choose just one location, wherever it is.) > >> - Events >> - Marketing and Advocacy >> - Design and Artwork >> - Teams and Projects > > By the way, I really like the idea of Special Interest Groups at Fedora. > >> - More? > > Most presumably yes :-) So thanks for the great start! > > >> Adding to Christoph's list of other project wikis: >> >> * Mozilla >> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Main_Page >> >> * Ubuntu >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ > > Interesting, Ubuntu seems to separate the official Documentation (Wiki) > and the "do the work" wiki. > >> * Foswiki >> http://foswiki.org/Home/WebHome > > Mmh, din't knew that. Thanks! > > > Benjamin, thanks for the comments ... most appreciated! > > Christoph > > >>> Cheers, >>> >>> just my 2 Cents: >>> >>> On Monday 04 October 2010 23:54, Christoph Noack wrote: >>> ... Step forward, and share your thoughts, too, please! But how to get started ... I mean ... without a wiki to document the statements. >>> >>> A wiki is a wiki is a wiki - so just set one up and let it >>> self-organize. Do not define too much contstraints in advance. >>> >>> Do not define too special rules in beforehead but rather let them >>> evolve. >>> >>> People in free projects tend to be very constructive, so let them do >>> their work. >>> >>> The final decision which wiki engine to take should be made by the >>> prospective core admins (as they will have to handle it). A bad engine >>> with a good admin is far better than a good engine with a poor admin. >>> >>> Rules should be made only _after_ a certain period of experience. And >>> they should be defined by the users of the wiki. >>> >>> All that said, I'd prefere to have a wiki farm for different languages >>> and not one multilanguage wiki - just to enhance usability (mainly the >>> search function). >>> >>> Nino >>> -- Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com 646-464-2314 (Eastern) www.solidoffice.com -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] [WEBSITE] Improvements for the wiki?
Hi Christoph, I am happy to be involved, especially in an area where I've had a lot of experience, like with wikis. I am interested in helping this process from initial strategy, to implementation and wiki farming (ongoing maintenance). My technical skills aren't quite strong enough to help you install, configure and update, though, so I'll focus on the information architecture and human-wiki interaction aspects. -Ben On Oct 5, 2010, at 6:45 PM, Christoph Noack wrote: > Hi Benjamin, > > I'm sorry for answering your second mail first ... I totally missed this > one. So to make it easy for me, thank you very much for this (your) > introduction ... and also the hint "Foswiki". I'm those guys who will > set up the wiki technically, will have a look at it (just for the > record: if I am the one who should set it up, we might never have one > *g*). > > I'd be more than happy if you help us to get the wiki in a good shape. > > Cheers, > Christoph > > Am Montag, den 04.10.2010, 19:52 -0400 schrieb Benjamin Horst: >> Thanks, Christoph. I've long been interested in wikis and the >> capabilities they can provide, the data structures and usage patterns >> that tend to work well, and the various wiki platforms available. > > -- > To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to > discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org > All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted. > List archives are available at > http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ > Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com 646-464-2314 (Eastern) www.solidoffice.com -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] [WEBSITE] Improvements for the wiki?
Hi Nino! Am Dienstag, den 05.10.2010, 10:08 +0200 schrieb Nino Novak: [...] > On Monday 04 October 2010 23:54, Christoph Noack wrote: > > > ... > > Step forward, and share your thoughts, > > too, please! But how to get started ... I mean ... without a wiki to > > document the statements. > > A wiki is a wiki is a wiki - so just set one up and let it > self-organize. Do not define too much contstraints in advance. It's less about constraints, but to provide some basis to work on it. Once we get the wiki, it will be (or maybe become) our primary platform to share information. So my aim is to reduce the initial hurdles ... [...] True :-) But basically, the wiki engine should fit our needs - the technical and the non-technical ones. > Rules should be made only _after_ a certain period of experience. And > they should be defined by the users of the wiki. Absolutely, that is the reason for my questions :-) Most of you are already actively using wikis, so why not learn from your experience right from the start? And concerning "users of the wiki", Liz (being part of the OOo UX Team), did a survey last year to check whether people are happy with the OOoWiki: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/a_peek_at_the_wiki Currently, I lack some more details, but hey, why are we here? > All that said, I'd prefere to have a wiki farm for different languages > and not one multilanguage wiki - just to enhance usability (mainly the > search function). It seems that we get quite a pile of "related to language" requirements. Thanks, and good night! Christoph -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] [WEBSITE] Improvements for the wiki?
Hi Benjamin, I'm sorry for answering your second mail first ... I totally missed this one. So to make it easy for me, thank you very much for this (your) introduction ... and also the hint "Foswiki". I'm those guys who will set up the wiki technically, will have a look at it (just for the record: if I am the one who should set it up, we might never have one *g*). I'd be more than happy if you help us to get the wiki in a good shape. Cheers, Christoph Am Montag, den 04.10.2010, 19:52 -0400 schrieb Benjamin Horst: > Thanks, Christoph. I've long been interested in wikis and the > capabilities they can provide, the data structures and usage patterns > that tend to work well, and the various wiki platforms available. -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] [WEBSITE] Improvements for the wiki?
Hi Benjamin, great collection :-) Am Dienstag, den 05.10.2010, 07:38 -0400 schrieb Benjamin Horst: > I agree that overthinking and overburdening a wiki with rigid process is > harmful, but some upfront organization and planning is still necessary. Yes, rigid processes are harmful for a wiki - even if they want to achieve something good. But as you already point out, I'd like to guide some people initially, to not get lost. If one doesn't find information, then it is like nobody ever published it :-\ > Some major sections that could be defined in the wiki: > > - Site Home (why not use the wiki for the main part of the site, including > the homepage and download page?) > - Documentation (bring this dynamic and enthusiastic group back home to the > main site) > - Development (public planning and release schedule) > - Community Council (private section, if desired) > - News Just a question: Do you expect news to be in the Wiki, or on the rather website? Or both? > - Events > - Marketing and Advocacy > - Design and Artwork > - Teams and Projects By the way, I really like the idea of Special Interest Groups at Fedora. > - More? Most presumably yes :-) So thanks for the great start! > Adding to Christoph's list of other project wikis: > > * Mozilla > https://wiki.mozilla.org/Main_Page > > * Ubuntu > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ Interesting, Ubuntu seems to separate the official Documentation (Wiki) and the "do the work" wiki. > * Foswiki > http://foswiki.org/Home/WebHome Mmh, din't knew that. Thanks! Benjamin, thanks for the comments ... most appreciated! Christoph > > Cheers, > > > > just my 2 Cents: > > > > On Monday 04 October 2010 23:54, Christoph Noack wrote: > > > >> ... > >> Step forward, and share your thoughts, > >> too, please! But how to get started ... I mean ... without a wiki to > >> document the statements. > > > > A wiki is a wiki is a wiki - so just set one up and let it > > self-organize. Do not define too much contstraints in advance. > > > > Do not define too special rules in beforehead but rather let them > > evolve. > > > > People in free projects tend to be very constructive, so let them do > > their work. > > > > The final decision which wiki engine to take should be made by the > > prospective core admins (as they will have to handle it). A bad engine > > with a good admin is far better than a good engine with a poor admin. > > > > Rules should be made only _after_ a certain period of experience. And > > they should be defined by the users of the wiki. > > > > All that said, I'd prefere to have a wiki farm for different languages > > and not one multilanguage wiki - just to enhance usability (mainly the > > search function). > > > > Nino > > -- > > To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to > > discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org > > All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > > deleted. > > List archives are available at > > http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ > > > > > Benjamin Horst > bho...@mac.com > 646-464-2314 (Eastern) > www.solidoffice.com > -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] [WEBSITE] Improvements for the wiki?
Hi Regina, nice to have you on this list ... and thanks for your helpful statements. So just a few comments ... Am Dienstag, den 05.10.2010, 19:27 +0200 schrieb Regina Henschel: [...] > (1) > When starting a new Wiki it is essential to determine the license from > the very beginning and it must be unpossible to contribute without > explicitly saying which license is used.[...] Yes, the license is an important point. We had some initial thoughts about that, too. > (2) > I like to look which Wiki pages are new or changed. But I do not like to > go through all languages. The search tools should give an easy way to > include or exclude special languages. Good point. To be honest, I never worked (reading isn't working, is it? *g*) in multi-language Wikis. So I don't know how this can be handled, both technically and from the organizational point-of-view. > (3) > I mainly work on content related to Calc. I need an easy way to > transform odt-documents with lot of formulas into the wiki-syntax. > Currently I have written a text, which is not yet on any Wiki, because > it has more than 100 formulas. > The other way round it should be possible to generate odt-documents with > real formulas (not pictures) from the Wiki pages. So you mean to transform the Math language to the wiki syntax. It seems, that is something related to the (or any) MediaWiki Export extension, but however, I'll definitively write it down. > (4) > The Wiki should have a basic structure before contribution starts and > this structure should be explained. Especially the way how to organize > all the languages should be clear. Yes, I'd hoped for some basic structure before we start. Therefore my question what works good, what works less good in other wikis. At least, there have been some good points ... also by the others. Therefore, thanks for your great comments! Cheers, Christoph -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
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sorry, this mail should have been sent as PM but I hit the wrong button. On Tuesday 05 October 2010 21:25, Nino Novak wrote: > Hallo Regina, ... -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
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Hallo Regina, On Tuesday 05 October 2010 19:27, Regina Henschel wrote: > (3) > I mainly work on content related to Calc. I need an easy way to > transform odt-documents with lot of formulas into the wiki-syntax. > Currently I have written a text, which is not yet on any Wiki, > because it has more than 100 formulas. Geht es hier um Math-Formeln? TJ Frazier (von d...@ooo) hat doch vor einiger Zeit einiges programmiert, um den Sun Wiki Publisher zu ergänzen - hast du ihn schon mal angefragt? Vielleicht kriegt er das hin. (Wenn ich ihn richtig verstanden habe, hat ihm das großen Spass gemacht). Gruß Nino -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] [WEBSITE] Improvements for the wiki?
Hi Christoph, Christoph Noack schrieb: Good evening everyone, the subject already tells you, this mail is about Wiki improvements. "What Wiki?" you might ask. Correct, there is none ... but if we want to change that, it'll be great to know what we require. Once it is set up, I'm confident that a reasonable structure will greatly help us. [..] My proposal is to collect some experiences when working with Wiki content (not so much the Wiki system itself) ... what is good, what can be improved? It would be great if you could explain why, e.g. "I always find everything I need within a few clicks.", and stating what you usually do (e.g. QA work). And you may add what you expect from a website - being different from a wiki. [..] (1) When starting a new Wiki it is essential to determine the license from the very beginning and it must be unpossible to contribute without explicitly saying which license is used. For example in www.ooowiki.de in edit mode there is the text "Durch Anklicken von Änderungen speichern stellen Sie Ihre Änderungen unter die GnuFreeDocumentationLicense." (which means, By Clicking on 'Änderungen speichern' you contribute your changes under GnuFreeDocumentationLicense.) (2) I like to look which Wiki pages are new or changed. But I do not like to go through all languages. The search tools should give an easy way to include or exclude special languages. (3) I mainly work on content related to Calc. I need an easy way to transform odt-documents with lot of formulas into the wiki-syntax. Currently I have written a text, which is not yet on any Wiki, because it has more than 100 formulas. The other way round it should be possible to generate odt-documents with real formulas (not pictures) from the Wiki pages. (4) The Wiki should have a basic structure before contribution starts and this structure should be explained. Especially the way how to organize all the languages should be clear. Kind regards Regina -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] [WEBSITE] Improvements for the wiki?
On Tuesday 05 October 2010 13:39, Karl-Heinz Gödderz wrote: > Christoph Noack schrieb: > > Good evening everyone, > > > > the subject already tells you, this mail is about Wiki > > improvements. > > but no matter what wiki you use, plese set it up in a way that *all* > languages are in this one. have you ever searched the ooowiki? For certain items you get plenty of results in languages you have not even known before... So if a multilanguage wiki is to be used, make sure that search can be restricted to one language (or even better, an arbitrary selection of languages). Nino -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] [WEBSITE] Improvements for the wiki?
On Tuesday 05 October 2010 13:39, Karl-Heinz Gödderz wrote: > Christoph Noack schrieb: > > Good evening everyone, > > > > the subject already tells you, this mail is about Wiki > > improvements. > > but no matter what wiki you use, plese set it up in a way that *all* > languages are in this one. have you ever searched the ooowiki? For certain items you get plenty of results in languages you have not even known before... So if a multilanguage wiki is to be used, make sure that search can be restricted to one language (or even better, an arbitrary selection of languages). Nino PS: Sorry if this message comes twice, I first sent it with wrong e-mail address -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] [WEBSITE] Improvements for the wiki?
I agree that overthinking and overburdening a wiki with rigid process is harmful, but some upfront organization and planning is still necessary. Some major sections that could be defined in the wiki: - Site Home (why not use the wiki for the main part of the site, including the homepage and download page?) - Documentation (bring this dynamic and enthusiastic group back home to the main site) - Development (public planning and release schedule) - Community Council (private section, if desired) - News - Events - Marketing and Advocacy - Design and Artwork - Teams and Projects - More? Adding to Christoph's list of other project wikis: * Mozilla https://wiki.mozilla.org/Main_Page * Ubuntu https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ * Foswiki http://foswiki.org/Home/WebHome -Ben On Oct 5, 2010, at 4:08 AM, Nino Novak wrote: > Cheers, > > just my 2 Cents: > > On Monday 04 October 2010 23:54, Christoph Noack wrote: > >> ... >> Step forward, and share your thoughts, >> too, please! But how to get started ... I mean ... without a wiki to >> document the statements. > > A wiki is a wiki is a wiki - so just set one up and let it > self-organize. Do not define too much contstraints in advance. > > Do not define too special rules in beforehead but rather let them > evolve. > > People in free projects tend to be very constructive, so let them do > their work. > > The final decision which wiki engine to take should be made by the > prospective core admins (as they will have to handle it). A bad engine > with a good admin is far better than a good engine with a poor admin. > > Rules should be made only _after_ a certain period of experience. And > they should be defined by the users of the wiki. > > All that said, I'd prefere to have a wiki farm for different languages > and not one multilanguage wiki - just to enhance usability (mainly the > search function). > > Nino > -- > To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to > discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org > All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted. > List archives are available at > http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ > Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com 646-464-2314 (Eastern) www.solidoffice.com -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] [WEBSITE] Improvements for the wiki?
Christoph Noack schrieb: > Good evening everyone, > > the subject already tells you, this mail is about Wiki improvements. > > but no matter what wiki you use, plese set it up in a way that *all* languages are in this one. So we do not have tobuild a wiki for each language. cheers Karl-Heinz -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] [WEBSITE] Improvements for the wiki?
Cheers, just my 2 Cents: On Monday 04 October 2010 23:54, Christoph Noack wrote: > ... > Step forward, and share your thoughts, > too, please! But how to get started ... I mean ... without a wiki to > document the statements. A wiki is a wiki is a wiki - so just set one up and let it self-organize. Do not define too much contstraints in advance. Do not define too special rules in beforehead but rather let them evolve. People in free projects tend to be very constructive, so let them do their work. The final decision which wiki engine to take should be made by the prospective core admins (as they will have to handle it). A bad engine with a good admin is far better than a good engine with a poor admin. Rules should be made only _after_ a certain period of experience. And they should be defined by the users of the wiki. All that said, I'd prefere to have a wiki farm for different languages and not one multilanguage wiki - just to enhance usability (mainly the search function). Nino -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] [WEBSITE] Improvements for the wiki?
Any reason for that preference? What other wikis have you worked with, and what do you think are their particular strengths and weaknesses? I probably should not have introduced the question of wiki platform at this stage, before we have discussed the higher level requirements and information architecture we'd like to build out. I don't want to sideline the conversation into specific platforms before we get a broad overview of requirements first. -Ben On Oct 4, 2010, at 8:53 PM, Jonathan Zacsh wrote: > I'd like to see this project use mediawiki > http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki > > -- > Jonathan Zacsh > > > > On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 19:52, Benjamin Horst wrote: >> Thanks, Christoph. I've long been interested in wikis and the capabilitie > s they can provide, the data structures and usage patterns that tend to wor > k well, and the various wiki platforms available. I've read "Wikipatterns," > which is a book I recommend to others interested in this subject. Much of > its information is available on its website: http://www.wikipatterns.com/ >> >> I am a fan of MediaWiki, but I think we should consider other wiki platfo > rms as well. My recommendation, in fact, is Foswiki (http://foswiki.org/), > which forked from TWiki about a year ago, and is GPL 2.0-licensed. (Their e > xperience was similar to what we're going through with LibreOffice's birth > right now.) >> >> Foswiki's got some advanced features that we could really use, including > separate "webs" that isolate major logical sections from one another (and a > llow different access permissions for each web, so that a Community Council > group, for example, could maintain a private web for internal discussions) > . It offers a good WYSIWYG text editor, allows dynamic pages for things lik > e to-do lists, and has extensions that provide extra functionality. It also > supports macros and forms that let you build applications within the wiki > itself, which would let us do some really cool stuff. >> >> I've got a lot more to say on the subject, but don't want to start off wi > th too large a soliloquy. I'm looking forward to what others say on this su > bject as well. >> >> -Ben >> >> On Oct 4, 2010, at 5:54 PM, Christoph Noack wrote: >> >>> Good evening everyone, >>> >>> the subject already tells you, this mail is about Wiki improvements. >>> "What Wiki?" you might ask. Correct, there is none ... but if we want to >>> change that, it'll be great to know what we require. Once it is set up, >>> I'm confident that a reasonable structure will greatly help us. >>> >>> I assume that our Wiki will be used by all kinds of community members - >>> being it users, all kinds of contributors, the final foundation people. >>> And it will be used for very different things, e.g. planning >>> conferences, documenting best practices, providing documentation. Well, >>> although there are still discussions whether we need team ABZ or XYZ ... >>> some topics can't be avoided to shape a complex thing like LibreOffice. >>> >>> As far as I understand, many of you have a great experience to work with >>> tools like Wikis. Very good! And - also my hope - we will also hear some >>> voices who are less experienced. Step forward, and share your thoughts, >>> too, please! But how to get started ... I mean ... without a wiki to >>> document the statements. >>> >>> My proposal is to collect some experiences when working with Wiki >>> content (not so much the Wiki system itself) ... what is good, what can >>> be improved? It would be great if you could explain why, e.g. "I always >>> find everything I need within a few clicks.", and stating what you >>> usually do (e.g. QA work). And you may add what you expect from a >>> website - being different from a wiki. >>> >>> Just to give you an idea, I've picked some of the larger projects to >>> state examples. A certain size is required, since we are complex too ... >>> but we don't want to be complicated. Feel free to add any kind of >>> project you like to refer to... >>> >>> * Fedora Project Wiki >>>https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Project > _Wiki >>> >>> * Gnome Live! >>>http://live.gnome.org/ >>> >>> * KDE Wiki >>>http://wiki.kde.org/ >>> >>> * Apache General Wiki >>>http://wiki.apache.org/general/ >>> >>> At the moment, it seems appropriate to use this mailing list. But, I'm >>> sure we'll have a dedicated website list tomorrow or Wednesday latest. >>> So please also decide what to do ... discuss it here, or wait for the >>> list. It is up to us :-) >>> >>> Thank you so much! >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Christoph >>> >>> -- >>> To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoun > dation.org >>> All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot > be deleted. >>> List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/d > iscuss/ >>> >> >> >> Benjamin Horst >> bho...@mac.com >> 646-464-2314
Re: [tdf-discuss] [WEBSITE] Improvements for the wiki?
I'd like to see this project use mediawiki http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki -- Jonathan Zacsh On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 19:52, Benjamin Horst wrote: > Thanks, Christoph. I've long been interested in wikis and the capabilitie s they can provide, the data structures and usage patterns that tend to wor k well, and the various wiki platforms available. I've read "Wikipatterns," which is a book I recommend to others interested in this subject. Much of its information is available on its website: http://www.wikipatterns.com/ > > I am a fan of MediaWiki, but I think we should consider other wiki platfo rms as well. My recommendation, in fact, is Foswiki (http://foswiki.org/), which forked from TWiki about a year ago, and is GPL 2.0-licensed. (Their e xperience was similar to what we're going through with LibreOffice's birth right now.) > > Foswiki's got some advanced features that we could really use, including separate "webs" that isolate major logical sections from one another (and a llow different access permissions for each web, so that a Community Council group, for example, could maintain a private web for internal discussions) . It offers a good WYSIWYG text editor, allows dynamic pages for things lik e to-do lists, and has extensions that provide extra functionality. It also supports macros and forms that let you build applications within the wiki itself, which would let us do some really cool stuff. > > I've got a lot more to say on the subject, but don't want to start off wi th too large a soliloquy. I'm looking forward to what others say on this su bject as well. > > -Ben > > On Oct 4, 2010, at 5:54 PM, Christoph Noack wrote: > >> Good evening everyone, >> >> the subject already tells you, this mail is about Wiki improvements. >> "What Wiki?" you might ask. Correct, there is none ... but if we want to >> change that, it'll be great to know what we require. Once it is set up, >> I'm confident that a reasonable structure will greatly help us. >> >> I assume that our Wiki will be used by all kinds of community members - >> being it users, all kinds of contributors, the final foundation people. >> And it will be used for very different things, e.g. planning >> conferences, documenting best practices, providing documentation. Well, >> although there are still discussions whether we need team ABZ or XYZ ... >> some topics can't be avoided to shape a complex thing like LibreOffice. >> >> As far as I understand, many of you have a great experience to work with >> tools like Wikis. Very good! And - also my hope - we will also hear some >> voices who are less experienced. Step forward, and share your thoughts, >> too, please! But how to get started ... I mean ... without a wiki to >> document the statements. >> >> My proposal is to collect some experiences when working with Wiki >> content (not so much the Wiki system itself) ... what is good, what can >> be improved? It would be great if you could explain why, e.g. "I always >> find everything I need within a few clicks.", and stating what you >> usually do (e.g. QA work). And you may add what you expect from a >> website - being different from a wiki. >> >> Just to give you an idea, I've picked some of the larger projects to >> state examples. A certain size is required, since we are complex too ... >> but we don't want to be complicated. Feel free to add any kind of >> project you like to refer to... >> >> * Fedora Project Wiki >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Project _Wiki >> >> * Gnome Live! >> http://live.gnome.org/ >> >> * KDE Wiki >> http://wiki.kde.org/ >> >> * Apache General Wiki >> http://wiki.apache.org/general/ >> >> At the moment, it seems appropriate to use this mailing list. But, I'm >> sure we'll have a dedicated website list tomorrow or Wednesday latest. >> So please also decide what to do ... discuss it here, or wait for the >> list. It is up to us :-) >> >> Thank you so much! >> >> Cheers, >> Christoph >> >> -- >> To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoun dation.org >> All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. >> List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/d iscuss/ >> > > > Benjamin Horst > bho...@mac.com > 646-464-2314 (Eastern) > www.solidoffice.com > > -- > To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfound ation.org > All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot b e deleted. > List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/di scuss/ > > -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] [WEBSITE] Improvements for the wiki?
Thanks, Christoph. I've long been interested in wikis and the capabilities they can provide, the data structures and usage patterns that tend to work well, and the various wiki platforms available. I've read "Wikipatterns," which is a book I recommend to others interested in this subject. Much of its information is available on its website: http://www.wikipatterns.com/ I am a fan of MediaWiki, but I think we should consider other wiki platforms as well. My recommendation, in fact, is Foswiki (http://foswiki.org/), which forked from TWiki about a year ago, and is GPL 2.0-licensed. (Their experience was similar to what we're going through with LibreOffice's birth right now.) Foswiki's got some advanced features that we could really use, including separate "webs" that isolate major logical sections from one another (and allow different access permissions for each web, so that a Community Council group, for example, could maintain a private web for internal discussions). It offers a good WYSIWYG text editor, allows dynamic pages for things like to-do lists, and has extensions that provide extra functionality. It also supports macros and forms that let you build applications within the wiki itself, which would let us do some really cool stuff. I've got a lot more to say on the subject, but don't want to start off with too large a soliloquy. I'm looking forward to what others say on this subject as well. -Ben On Oct 4, 2010, at 5:54 PM, Christoph Noack wrote: > Good evening everyone, > > the subject already tells you, this mail is about Wiki improvements. > "What Wiki?" you might ask. Correct, there is none ... but if we want to > change that, it'll be great to know what we require. Once it is set up, > I'm confident that a reasonable structure will greatly help us. > > I assume that our Wiki will be used by all kinds of community members - > being it users, all kinds of contributors, the final foundation people. > And it will be used for very different things, e.g. planning > conferences, documenting best practices, providing documentation. Well, > although there are still discussions whether we need team ABZ or XYZ ... > some topics can't be avoided to shape a complex thing like LibreOffice. > > As far as I understand, many of you have a great experience to work with > tools like Wikis. Very good! And - also my hope - we will also hear some > voices who are less experienced. Step forward, and share your thoughts, > too, please! But how to get started ... I mean ... without a wiki to > document the statements. > > My proposal is to collect some experiences when working with Wiki > content (not so much the Wiki system itself) ... what is good, what can > be improved? It would be great if you could explain why, e.g. "I always > find everything I need within a few clicks.", and stating what you > usually do (e.g. QA work). And you may add what you expect from a > website - being different from a wiki. > > Just to give you an idea, I've picked some of the larger projects to > state examples. A certain size is required, since we are complex too ... > but we don't want to be complicated. Feel free to add any kind of > project you like to refer to... > > * Fedora Project Wiki >https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Project_Wiki > > * Gnome Live! >http://live.gnome.org/ > > * KDE Wiki >http://wiki.kde.org/ > > * Apache General Wiki >http://wiki.apache.org/general/ > > At the moment, it seems appropriate to use this mailing list. But, I'm > sure we'll have a dedicated website list tomorrow or Wednesday latest. > So please also decide what to do ... discuss it here, or wait for the > list. It is up to us :-) > > Thank you so much! > > Cheers, > Christoph > > -- > To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to > discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org > All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted. > List archives are available at > http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ > Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com 646-464-2314 (Eastern) www.solidoffice.com -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
[tdf-discuss] [WEBSITE] Improvements for the wiki?
Good evening everyone, the subject already tells you, this mail is about Wiki improvements. "What Wiki?" you might ask. Correct, there is none ... but if we want to change that, it'll be great to know what we require. Once it is set up, I'm confident that a reasonable structure will greatly help us. I assume that our Wiki will be used by all kinds of community members - being it users, all kinds of contributors, the final foundation people. And it will be used for very different things, e.g. planning conferences, documenting best practices, providing documentation. Well, although there are still discussions whether we need team ABZ or XYZ ... some topics can't be avoided to shape a complex thing like LibreOffice. As far as I understand, many of you have a great experience to work with tools like Wikis. Very good! And - also my hope - we will also hear some voices who are less experienced. Step forward, and share your thoughts, too, please! But how to get started ... I mean ... without a wiki to document the statements. My proposal is to collect some experiences when working with Wiki content (not so much the Wiki system itself) ... what is good, what can be improved? It would be great if you could explain why, e.g. "I always find everything I need within a few clicks.", and stating what you usually do (e.g. QA work). And you may add what you expect from a website - being different from a wiki. Just to give you an idea, I've picked some of the larger projects to state examples. A certain size is required, since we are complex too ... but we don't want to be complicated. Feel free to add any kind of project you like to refer to... * Fedora Project Wiki https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Project_Wiki * Gnome Live! http://live.gnome.org/ * KDE Wiki http://wiki.kde.org/ * Apache General Wiki http://wiki.apache.org/general/ At the moment, it seems appropriate to use this mailing list. But, I'm sure we'll have a dedicated website list tomorrow or Wednesday latest. So please also decide what to do ... discuss it here, or wait for the list. It is up to us :-) Thank you so much! Cheers, Christoph -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] website improvements
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:45 PM, Carolina Flores Hine wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Florian Effenberger < > > flo...@documentfoundation.org> wrote: > > > >> the documentfoundation.org website currently is static HTML, that is > >> being > >> created with PHP files. We'll switch over to some CMS soon. > > Who will do that? > > Let us do it. I can do all the ugly work of copying and pasting texts (for > a website like that, it's better to do that). I can translate into Spanish > too and find more help for other languages. > > Anyone said, "Translation" :) I can translate the static site, into Bengali. regards mak_ Bangladesh.
Re: [tdf-discuss] website improvements
On Wed Sep 29 2010 13:03:16 GMT-0700 (PDT) Robert Holmes wrote: I am a Drupal person that Jon Zasch mentioned to us in the community that you guys may be moving towards a CMS and that Drupal could work for you. I will mention that Drupal does localization right out of the box and with a few contributed modules you could have a fully localized solution. Will keep monitoring the list and chime in as needed :-) Robbie (The Geek) Holmes Robert, Can you contact me off list, I would like to get more information from you on Drupal. Thanks Andy -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
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Hi Danishka, all, I'm sorry for having picked the wrong email address this morning. Of course, the content of my mail is not confidential at all ;-) It just says that I'm back in a day and try to ask the other guys how they feel ... or how to kick-off website improvements. My problem was, that I had to go because of my day job waiting for me ... so a mail to a friend member seemed a quick solution. Seemed ;-) What this mail also said - and it seems to be absolutely true with regard to some other website mail thread - that I'm absolutely happy about all these proposals and offers for help. It feels great that the overall idea of the foundation is so well received. So, to *anybody* my deepest thanks. Back to the topic of the website. I had a quick discussion with Florian (who also additionally manages many of the press requests, btw) and we have the following proposal... At the moment, we would like to think a bit about the requirements for a new infrastructure including a website. For example, it would be great to have some kind of Single-Sign-On for all the required services ... although it would be a dream to reduce the overall complexity, our project is large and we will need different infrastructure bits and pieces. Size is also a challenge ... we will have to cope with a lot of content and therefore stability is an important thing. We propose to wait a few more days until we can breathe again (*g*) ... to join the discussion. Of course, that does not stop anybody from thinking. I would be just great if those (who are interested) can make up a small team and collect ideas or wishes for the infrastructure and maybe propose how to address it. The only thing that's missing at the moment is a dedicated wiki, so that you can share ideas. (A mailing list shouldn't be the problem ... mmmh ... I should bother Florian again). For the rest, I propose to use the OpenOffice.org Wiki (still, we are the community of OpenOffice.org). Another good question is, whether Oracle will support us and e.g. provide the trademark. Until we have the answer, it would be a pity to create a lot of design content that might get lost ... let's focus on that once we have the answer. What do you think? Is this something you all can live with at the moment? Is there someone who can start a small Wiki page for that? Again, it is just great to be with you ... :-) Christoph Am Mittwoch, den 29.09.2010, 18:45 +0530 schrieb Danishka Navin: > Dear Christoph and Volker, > > I am really sorry if any of heart from my mail. > > We also can give a feedback if we can understand it. :) > > Danishka > > > On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 4:22 PM, Volker Merschmann > wrote: > Hi, > > Christoph failed in sending the mail direct to my address > We will continue in private mail thread as the subject > suggests > > Bye > > Volker > > 2010/9/29 Danishka Navin : > > > since this mailing list is global one, highly appreciate if > you could > > communicate in English :) > > > > On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Christoph Noack > > > wrote: > >> > >> Hi Volker, > >> > >> sorry für die kurze Mail ... ich habe Deine Anfrage mal an > das interne > >> Team weiter geleitet. Die Webseite selbst und so > unterliegen bestimmten > >> Randbedingungen - die soll irgendwann ohnehin mal in ein > CMS überführt > >> werden. Ich finde es aber _extrem_ genial wie die aktuellen > >> Rückmeldungen und Unterstützungsangebote sind ... wäre es > also okay, > >> wenn ich Dich/Euch noch einen Tag warten lasse mit 'ner > Antwort? Dann > >> weiß ich mehr ... > >> > >> Liebe Grüße, > >> Christoph > >> > >> > >> Am Mittwoch, den 29.09.2010, 07:14 +0200 schrieb Volker > Merschmann: > >> > Hi all, > >> > > >> > I think before we are starting individual changes, we > should form a > >> > website team/project for some coordinated work. And there > will be much > >> > of it. > >> > > >> > Regards > >> > > >> > Volker > >> > > >> > 2010/9/29 Jonathan Zacsh : > >> > > I'm a drupal developer and can safely say its no drupal > site. Though > >> > > I'd be _happy_ to help build out a drupal site for this > project (and > >> > > I'm sure I could get _plenty_ more NYC drupal community > members > >> > > involved). > >> > > > >> > > -- > >> > > Jonathan Zacsh > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 00:50, Alexandro Colorado > > >> > > wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:29 PM, Jonat
Re: [tdf-discuss] website improvements
On Wed Sep 29 2010 12:54:00 GMT-0700 (PDT) Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi Andy, Am 29.09.2010 um 21:16 schrieb Andy Brown: Anyone who has had to manage even a small project can realize this is going to take time. I agree that there needs to be more people to help coordinate this. I have the greatest confidence in Florian but he is only one person and can not do everything. thanks for the kind words. ;) We're working hard on everything, and we will soon see some improvements. Florian If there is any way I can help let me know, you have my direct address. :) Looking into the DNS issue. Andy -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] website improvements
I am a Drupal person that Jon Zasch mentioned to us in the community that you guys may be moving towards a CMS and that Drupal could work for you. I will mention that Drupal does localization right out of the box and with a few contributed modules you could have a fully localized solution. Will keep monitoring the list and chime in as needed :-) Robbie (The Geek) Holmes On Sep 29, 2010, at 2:59 PM, Carolina Flores Hine wrote: >>> 2010/9/29 Danishka Navin >>> Hi Joaquà n, On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:43 PM, Joaquà n Bruno Huete wrote: > Hi, > > I am new in here but if for this translations there is no need of a > high > computer literacy I can offer my help with the Spanish version if > neccesary. > > I am sure, the Spanish community will help you. :) >>> >> I think Florian is doing a great job and trying to cope with all the >> development going on on the list. But as soon as we move to CMS we could >> have more flexibility with localizing the site. > Regards > >> -- >> *Alexandro Colorado* >> *OpenOffice.org* Español >> http://es.openoffice.org >> > > I'm trying to imagine how it may be to receive all this e-mails saying "I > want to help". It takes a lot of effort to manage and coordinate all our > enthusiasm so... maybe there's a possibility to name an "area coordinator" > for marketing and communications (I'm just saying a name...) so we all can > be helpful instead of impatient :-) > > If this is not a good idea... just forget about it. > > Carolina > > > > "amar es combatir, es abrir puertas, dejar de ser fantasma con un número a > perpetua cadena condenado por un amo sin rostro" (Octavio Paz) > http://www.piensalibre.net > Usuaria Gnu/Linux 447868 > > > > -- > To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to > discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org > All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted. > List archives are available at > http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ > -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] website improvements
Hi Andy, Am 29.09.2010 um 21:16 schrieb Andy Brown: > Anyone who has had to manage even a small project can realize this is going > to take time. I agree that there needs to be more people to help coordinate > this. I have the greatest confidence in Florian but he is only one person > and can not do everything. thanks for the kind words. ;) We're working hard on everything, and we will soon see some improvements. Florian -- Florian Effenberger Steering Committee Member at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 Fax: +49 8341 99660889 Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: [tdf-discuss] website improvements
On Wed Sep 29 2010 11:59:32 GMT-0700 (PDT) Carolina Flores Hine wrote: I'm trying to imagine how it may be to receive all this e-mails saying "I want to help". It takes a lot of effort to manage and coordinate all our enthusiasm so... maybe there's a possibility to name an "area coordinator" for marketing and communications (I'm just saying a name...) so we all can be helpful instead of impatient :-) If this is not a good idea... just forget about it. Carolina Anyone who has had to manage even a small project can realize this is going to take time. I agree that there needs to be more people to help coordinate this. I have the greatest confidence in Florian but he is only one person and can not do everything. Andy -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
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>> 2010/9/29 Danishka Navin >> >>> Hi JoaquÃn, >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:43 PM, JoaquÃn Bruno Huete >>> wrote: >>> Hi, I am new in here but if for this translations there is no need of a high computer literacy I can offer my help with the Spanish version if neccesary. >>> I am sure, the Spanish community will help you. :) >>> >> > I think Florian is doing a great job and trying to cope with all the > development going on on the list. But as soon as we move to CMS we could > have more flexibility with localizing the site. >>> Regards > -- > *Alexandro Colorado* > *OpenOffice.org* Español > http://es.openoffice.org > I'm trying to imagine how it may be to receive all this e-mails saying "I want to help". It takes a lot of effort to manage and coordinate all our enthusiasm so... maybe there's a possibility to name an "area coordinator" for marketing and communications (I'm just saying a name...) so we all can be helpful instead of impatient :-) If this is not a good idea... just forget about it. Carolina "amar es combatir, es abrir puertas, dejar de ser fantasma con un número a perpetua cadena condenado por un amo sin rostro" (Octavio Paz) http://www.piensalibre.net Usuaria Gnu/Linux 447868 -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
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2010/9/29 Alexandro Colorado > > > On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 1:41 PM, csol...@gmail.com wrote: > >> I'm fluent in Spanish, English, and a not-so-know artificial language >> named Ido (will leave that one for the last). >> - Carlos Solís >> >> >> >> 2010/9/29 Danishka Navin >> >>> Hi Joaquín, >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:43 PM, Joaquín Bruno Huete >> > wrote: >>> Hi, I am new in here but if for this translations there is no need of a high computer literacy I can offer my help with the Spanish version if neccesary. >>> I am sure, the Spanish community will help you. :) >>> >> > I think Florian is doing a great job and trying to cope with all the > development going on on the list. But as soon as we move to CMS we could > have more flexibility with localizing the site. > How and when exactly will the website be available for localization? > > >> >>> >>> Regards 2010/9/29 Danishka Navin count me in.. I can take care of Sinhala > >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Danishka Navin >>> http://danishkanavin.blogspot.com >>> >> >> > > > -- > *Alexandro Colorado* > *OpenOffice.org* Español > http://es.openoffice.org > > - Carlos Solís
Re: [tdf-discuss] website improvements
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 1:41 PM, csol...@gmail.com wrote: > I'm fluent in Spanish, English, and a not-so-know artificial language named > Ido (will leave that one for the last). > - Carlos Solís > > > > 2010/9/29 Danishka Navin > >> Hi Joaquín, >> >> On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:43 PM, Joaquín Bruno Huete >> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I am new in here but if for this translations there is no need of a high >>> computer literacy I can offer my help with the Spanish version if neccesary. >>> >>> >> I am sure, the Spanish community will help you. :) >> > I think Florian is doing a great job and trying to cope with all the development going on on the list. But as soon as we move to CMS we could have more flexibility with localizing the site. > >> >> Regards >>> >>> >>> 2010/9/29 Danishka Navin >>> >>> count me in.. I can take care of Sinhala >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Danishka Navin >> http://danishkanavin.blogspot.com >> > > -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: [tdf-discuss] website improvements
I'm fluent in Spanish, English, and a not-so-know artificial language named Ido (will leave that one for the last). - Carlos Solís 2010/9/29 Danishka Navin > Hi Joaquín, > > On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:43 PM, Joaquín Bruno Huete > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I am new in here but if for this translations there is no need of a high >> computer literacy I can offer my help with the Spanish version if neccesary. >> >> > I am sure, the Spanish community will help you. :) > > > Regards >> >> >> 2010/9/29 Danishka Navin >> >> count me in.. I can take care of Sinhala >>> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Danishka Navin > http://danishkanavin.blogspot.com >
Re: [tdf-discuss] website improvements
Hi Joaquín, On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:43 PM, Joaquín Bruno Huete wrote: > Hi, > > I am new in here but if for this translations there is no need of a high > computer literacy I can offer my help with the Spanish version if neccesary. > > I am sure, the Spanish community will help you. :) Regards > > > 2010/9/29 Danishka Navin > > count me in.. I can take care of Sinhala >> > > > > -- Danishka Navin http://danishkanavin.blogspot.com
Re: [tdf-discuss] website improvements
Hi, I am new in here but if for this translations there is no need of a high computer literacy I can offer my help with the Spanish version if neccesary. Regards 2010/9/29 Danishka Navin > count me in.. I can take care of Sinhala >
Re: [tdf-discuss] website improvements
count me in.. I can take care of Sinhala
Re: [tdf-discuss] website improvements
If you need a motivated person to assume the work of the website, i like to do it. CMS and all the stuff to maintain the site working. 2010/9/29 Carolina Flores Hine > > > Hello, > > > > On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Florian Effenberger < > > flo...@documentfoundation.org> wrote: > > > >> the documentfoundation.org website currently is static HTML, that is > >> being > >> created with PHP files. We'll switch over to some CMS soon. > > Who will do that? > > Let us do it. I can do all the ugly work of copying and pasting texts (for > a website like that, it's better to do that). I can translate into Spanish > too and find more help for other languages. > > Carolina > > > "amar es combatir, es abrir puertas, dejar de ser fantasma con un número a > perpetua cadena condenado por un amo sin rostro" (Octavio Paz) > http://www.piensalibre.net > Usuaria Gnu/Linux 447868 > > > > -- > To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to > discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org > All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted. > List archives are available at > http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ > >
Re: [tdf-discuss] website improvements
In data mercoledì 29 settembre 2010 19:45:09, Carolina Flores Hine ha scritto: > > Hello, > > > > On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Florian Effenberger < > > > > flo...@documentfoundation.org> wrote: > >> the documentfoundation.org website currently is static HTML, that is > >> being > >> created with PHP files. We'll switch over to some CMS soon. > > Who will do that? > > Let us do it. I can do all the ugly work of copying and pasting texts (for > a website like that, it's better to do that). I can translate into Spanish > too and find more help for other languages. > I can give a hand for Italian version, form the next week on... -- Valter Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org Kubuntu Linux: www.kubuntu.org OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] website improvements
> Hello, > > On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Florian Effenberger < > flo...@documentfoundation.org> wrote: > >> the documentfoundation.org website currently is static HTML, that is >> being >> created with PHP files. We'll switch over to some CMS soon. Who will do that? Let us do it. I can do all the ugly work of copying and pasting texts (for a website like that, it's better to do that). I can translate into Spanish too and find more help for other languages. Carolina "amar es combatir, es abrir puertas, dejar de ser fantasma con un número a perpetua cadena condenado por un amo sin rostro" (Octavio Paz) http://www.piensalibre.net Usuaria Gnu/Linux 447868 -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] website improvements
Hello,
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Florian Effenberger <
flo...@documentfoundation.org> wrote:
> the documentfoundation.org website currently is static HTML, that is being
> created with PHP files. We'll switch over to some CMS soon.
>
That is bad,
+1 for drupal.
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Re: privatmail (war: Re: [tdf-discuss] website improvements)
Dear Christoph and Volker, I am really sorry if any of heart from my mail. We also can give a feedback if we can understand it. :) Danishka On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 4:22 PM, Volker Merschmann wrote: > Hi, > > Christoph failed in sending the mail direct to my address > We will continue in private mail thread as the subject suggests > > Bye > > Volker > > 2010/9/29 Danishka Navin : > > since this mailing list is global one, highly appreciate if you could > > communicate in English :) > > > > On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Christoph Noack < > christ...@dogmatux.com> > > wrote: > >> > >> Hi Volker, > >> > >> sorry für die kurze Mail ... ich habe Deine Anfrage mal an das interne > >> Team weiter geleitet. Die Webseite selbst und so unterliegen bestimmten > >> Randbedingungen - die soll irgendwann ohnehin mal in ein CMS überführt > >> werden. Ich finde es aber _extrem_ genial wie die aktuellen > >> Rückmeldungen und Unterstützungsangebote sind ... wäre es also okay, > >> wenn ich Dich/Euch noch einen Tag warten lasse mit 'ner Antwort? Dann > >> weiß ich mehr ... > >> > >> Liebe Grüße, > >> Christoph > >> > >> > >> Am Mittwoch, den 29.09.2010, 07:14 +0200 schrieb Volker Merschmann: > >> > Hi all, > >> > > >> > I think before we are starting individual changes, we should form a > >> > website team/project for some coordinated work. And there will be much > >> > of it. > >> > > >> > Regards > >> > > >> > Volker > >> > > >> > 2010/9/29 Jonathan Zacsh : > >> > > I'm a drupal developer and can safely say its no drupal site. Though > >> > > I'd be _happy_ to help build out a drupal site for this project (and > >> > > I'm sure I could get _plenty_ more NYC drupal community members > >> > > involved). > >> > > > >> > > -- > >> > > Jonathan Zacsh > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 00:50, Alexandro Colorado < > j...@openoffice.org> > >> > > wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:29 PM, Jonathan Zacsh > > >> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> > >> > >>> Hello, > >> > >>> > >> > >>> I'd like to improve parts of the websites design/theming and > >> > >>> front-end > >> > >>> code. This isn't a judgment on whats already been done, as its > >> > >>> fairly > >> > >>> impressive (especially since it must've been done fairly quickly) > -- > >> > >>> this is just my effort to help out in the most immediate way I > know > >> > >>> how (html/css theming). > >> > >>> > >> > >>> To start, I could change the navigation buttons on the right-side > of > >> > >>> the page to be an actual unordered list of text. I could have it > >> > >>> look > >> > >>> exactly the same,but it would be real content, instead of > pictures. > >> > >>> Also, I could allow it (*without* javascript pre-loading images) > to > >> > >>> not flicker on mouse-over of each button. Also, I saw some > >> > >>> html-comments in the page stating some stuff that the initial > author > >> > >>> didn't have the time to do, but would like to see done. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> Anyway, I was about to actually code these changes in html/css but > I > >> > >>> saw, "don't edit this page! edit the PHP instead" -- so I figured > >> > >>> I'd > >> > >>> ask for a copy of the PHP file and save some effort :) > >> > >>> > >> > >>> Thanks, > >> > >>> Jon > >> > >>> -- > >> > >>> To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to > >> > >>> discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org > >> > >>> All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and > >> > >>> cannot be > >> > >>> deleted. > >> > >>> List archives are available at > >> > >>> http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ > >> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> Hi Jon, thanks for your post, this leads me to ask what is the site > >> > >> running > >> > >> on, it looks like a drupal site but I might be wrong about that. > Can > >> > >> I get > >> > >> confirmation if the group used a web app or a platform? > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Alexandro Colorado > >> > >> OpenOffice.org Español > >> > >> http://es.openoffice.org > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > -- > >> > > To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to > >> > > discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org > >> > > All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and > >> > > cannot be deleted. > >> > > List archives are available at > >> > > http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > ++ Volker Merschmann - Content Developer OpenOffice.org > >> > ++ Office-Suite für Linux, Mac, Windows -- http://de.openoffice.org/ > >> > >> > >> -- > >> To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to > >> discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org > >> All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot > be > >> deleted. > >> List archives are available at > >> http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Danishka Navin > > http://danishkanavin.blogspot.com > > > > > > -- > ++ Volker Merschmann - Content Developer OpenOffice.org > ++ Office-Suite
Re: privatmail (war: Re: [tdf-discuss] website improvements)
Hi, Christoph failed in sending the mail direct to my address We will continue in private mail thread as the subject suggests Bye Volker 2010/9/29 Danishka Navin : > since this mailing list is global one, highly appreciate if you could > communicate in English :) > > On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Christoph Noack > wrote: >> >> Hi Volker, >> >> sorry für die kurze Mail ... ich habe Deine Anfrage mal an das interne >> Team weiter geleitet. Die Webseite selbst und so unterliegen bestimmten >> Randbedingungen - die soll irgendwann ohnehin mal in ein CMS überführt >> werden. Ich finde es aber _extrem_ genial wie die aktuellen >> Rückmeldungen und Unterstützungsangebote sind ... wäre es also okay, >> wenn ich Dich/Euch noch einen Tag warten lasse mit 'ner Antwort? Dann >> weiß ich mehr ... >> >> Liebe Grüße, >> Christoph >> >> >> Am Mittwoch, den 29.09.2010, 07:14 +0200 schrieb Volker Merschmann: >> > Hi all, >> > >> > I think before we are starting individual changes, we should form a >> > website team/project for some coordinated work. And there will be much >> > of it. >> > >> > Regards >> > >> > Volker >> > >> > 2010/9/29 Jonathan Zacsh : >> > > I'm a drupal developer and can safely say its no drupal site. Though >> > > I'd be _happy_ to help build out a drupal site for this project (and >> > > I'm sure I could get _plenty_ more NYC drupal community members >> > > involved). >> > > >> > > -- >> > > Jonathan Zacsh >> > > >> > > >> > > On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 00:50, Alexandro Colorado >> > > wrote: >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:29 PM, Jonathan Zacsh >> > >> wrote: >> > >>> >> > >>> Hello, >> > >>> >> > >>> I'd like to improve parts of the websites design/theming and >> > >>> front-end >> > >>> code. This isn't a judgment on whats already been done, as its >> > >>> fairly >> > >>> impressive (especially since it must've been done fairly quickly) -- >> > >>> this is just my effort to help out in the most immediate way I know >> > >>> how (html/css theming). >> > >>> >> > >>> To start, I could change the navigation buttons on the right-side of >> > >>> the page to be an actual unordered list of text. I could have it >> > >>> look >> > >>> exactly the same,but it would be real content, instead of pictures. >> > >>> Also, I could allow it (*without* javascript pre-loading images) to >> > >>> not flicker on mouse-over of each button. Also, I saw some >> > >>> html-comments in the page stating some stuff that the initial author >> > >>> didn't have the time to do, but would like to see done. >> > >>> >> > >>> Anyway, I was about to actually code these changes in html/css but I >> > >>> saw, "don't edit this page! edit the PHP instead" -- so I figured >> > >>> I'd >> > >>> ask for a copy of the PHP file and save some effort :) >> > >>> >> > >>> Thanks, >> > >>> Jon >> > >>> -- >> > >>> To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to >> > >>> discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org >> > >>> All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and >> > >>> cannot be >> > >>> deleted. >> > >>> List archives are available at >> > >>> http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ >> > >>> >> > >> >> > >> Hi Jon, thanks for your post, this leads me to ask what is the site >> > >> running >> > >> on, it looks like a drupal site but I might be wrong about that. Can >> > >> I get >> > >> confirmation if the group used a web app or a platform? >> > >> >> > >> -- >> > >> Alexandro Colorado >> > >> OpenOffice.org Español >> > >> http://es.openoffice.org >> > >> >> > >> >> > > -- >> > > To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to >> > > discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org >> > > All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and >> > > cannot be deleted. >> > > List archives are available at >> > > http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > ++ Volker Merschmann - Content Developer OpenOffice.org >> > ++ Office-Suite für Linux, Mac, Windows -- http://de.openoffice.org/ >> >> >> -- >> To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to >> discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org >> All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >> deleted. >> List archives are available at >> http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ >> > > > > -- > Danishka Navin > http://danishkanavin.blogspot.com > -- ++ Volker Merschmann - Content Developer OpenOffice.org ++ Office-Suite für Linux, Mac, Windows -- http://de.openoffice.org/ -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
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since this mailing list is global one, highly appreciate if you could communicate in English :) On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Christoph Noack wrote: > Hi Volker, > > sorry für die kurze Mail ... ich habe Deine Anfrage mal an das interne > Team weiter geleitet. Die Webseite selbst und so unterliegen bestimmten > Randbedingungen - die soll irgendwann ohnehin mal in ein CMS überführt > werden. Ich finde es aber _extrem_ genial wie die aktuellen > Rückmeldungen und Unterstützungsangebote sind ... wäre es also okay, > wenn ich Dich/Euch noch einen Tag warten lasse mit 'ner Antwort? Dann > weiß ich mehr ... > > Liebe Grüße, > Christoph > > > Am Mittwoch, den 29.09.2010, 07:14 +0200 schrieb Volker Merschmann: > > Hi all, > > > > I think before we are starting individual changes, we should form a > > website team/project for some coordinated work. And there will be much > > of it. > > > > Regards > > > > Volker > > > > 2010/9/29 Jonathan Zacsh : > > > I'm a drupal developer and can safely say its no drupal site. Though > > > I'd be _happy_ to help build out a drupal site for this project (and > > > I'm sure I could get _plenty_ more NYC drupal community members > > > involved). > > > > > > -- > > > Jonathan Zacsh > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 00:50, Alexandro Colorado > wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:29 PM, Jonathan Zacsh > wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Hello, > > >>> > > >>> I'd like to improve parts of the websites design/theming and > front-end > > >>> code. This isn't a judgment on whats already been done, as its fairly > > >>> impressive (especially since it must've been done fairly quickly) -- > > >>> this is just my effort to help out in the most immediate way I know > > >>> how (html/css theming). > > >>> > > >>> To start, I could change the navigation buttons on the right-side of > > >>> the page to be an actual unordered list of text. I could have it look > > >>> exactly the same,but it would be real content, instead of pictures. > > >>> Also, I could allow it (*without* javascript pre-loading images) to > > >>> not flicker on mouse-over of each button. Also, I saw some > > >>> html-comments in the page stating some stuff that the initial author > > >>> didn't have the time to do, but would like to see done. > > >>> > > >>> Anyway, I was about to actually code these changes in html/css but I > > >>> saw, "don't edit this page! edit the PHP instead" -- so I figured I'd > > >>> ask for a copy of the PHP file and save some effort :) > > >>> > > >>> Thanks, > > >>> Jon > > >>> -- > > >>> To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to > > >>> discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org > > >>> All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and > cannot be > > >>> deleted. > > >>> List archives are available at > > >>> http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ > > >>> > > >> > > >> Hi Jon, thanks for your post, this leads me to ask what is the site > running > > >> on, it looks like a drupal site but I might be wrong about that. Can I > get > > >> confirmation if the group used a web app or a platform? > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Alexandro Colorado > > >> OpenOffice.org Español > > >> http://es.openoffice.org > > >> > > >> > > > -- > > > To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to > discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org > > > All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot > be deleted. > > > List archives are available at > http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > ++ Volker Merschmann - Content Developer OpenOffice.org > > ++ Office-Suite für Linux, Mac, Windows -- http://de.openoffice.org/ > > > -- > To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to > discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org > All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted. > List archives are available at > http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ > > -- Danishka Navin http://danishkanavin.blogspot.com
Re: [tdf-discuss] website improvements
Hi Alexandro, Am 29.09.2010 um 06:50 schrieb Alexandro Colorado: > Hi Jon, thanks for your post, this leads me to ask what is the site running > on, it looks like a drupal site but I might be wrong about that. Can I get > confirmation if the group used a web app or a platform? the documentfoundation.org website currently is static HTML, that is being created with PHP files. We'll switch over to some CMS soon. Florian -- Florian Effenberger Steering Committee Member at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 Fax: +49 8341 99660889 Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
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Hi Volker, sorry für die kurze Mail ... ich habe Deine Anfrage mal an das interne Team weiter geleitet. Die Webseite selbst und so unterliegen bestimmten Randbedingungen - die soll irgendwann ohnehin mal in ein CMS überführt werden. Ich finde es aber _extrem_ genial wie die aktuellen Rückmeldungen und Unterstützungsangebote sind ... wäre es also okay, wenn ich Dich/Euch noch einen Tag warten lasse mit 'ner Antwort? Dann weiß ich mehr ... Liebe Grüße, Christoph Am Mittwoch, den 29.09.2010, 07:14 +0200 schrieb Volker Merschmann: > Hi all, > > I think before we are starting individual changes, we should form a > website team/project for some coordinated work. And there will be much > of it. > > Regards > > Volker > > 2010/9/29 Jonathan Zacsh : > > I'm a drupal developer and can safely say its no drupal site. Though > > I'd be _happy_ to help build out a drupal site for this project (and > > I'm sure I could get _plenty_ more NYC drupal community members > > involved). > > > > -- > > Jonathan Zacsh > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 00:50, Alexandro Colorado > > wrote: > >> > >> > >> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:29 PM, Jonathan Zacsh wrote: > >>> > >>> Hello, > >>> > >>> I'd like to improve parts of the websites design/theming and front-end > >>> code. This isn't a judgment on whats already been done, as its fairly > >>> impressive (especially since it must've been done fairly quickly) -- > >>> this is just my effort to help out in the most immediate way I know > >>> how (html/css theming). > >>> > >>> To start, I could change the navigation buttons on the right-side of > >>> the page to be an actual unordered list of text. I could have it look > >>> exactly the same,but it would be real content, instead of pictures. > >>> Also, I could allow it (*without* javascript pre-loading images) to > >>> not flicker on mouse-over of each button. Also, I saw some > >>> html-comments in the page stating some stuff that the initial author > >>> didn't have the time to do, but would like to see done. > >>> > >>> Anyway, I was about to actually code these changes in html/css but I > >>> saw, "don't edit this page! edit the PHP instead" -- so I figured I'd > >>> ask for a copy of the PHP file and save some effort :) > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> Jon > >>> -- > >>> To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to > >>> discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org > >>> All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > >>> deleted. > >>> List archives are available at > >>> http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ > >>> > >> > >> Hi Jon, thanks for your post, this leads me to ask what is the site running > >> on, it looks like a drupal site but I might be wrong about that. Can I get > >> confirmation if the group used a web app or a platform? > >> > >> -- > >> Alexandro Colorado > >> OpenOffice.org Español > >> http://es.openoffice.org > >> > >> > > -- > > To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to > > discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org > > All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > > deleted. > > List archives are available at > > http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ > > > > > > > > -- > ++ Volker Merschmann - Content Developer OpenOffice.org > ++ Office-Suite für Linux, Mac, Windows -- http://de.openoffice.org/ -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] website improvements
Hi all, I think before we are starting individual changes, we should form a website team/project for some coordinated work. And there will be much of it. Regards Volker 2010/9/29 Jonathan Zacsh : > I'm a drupal developer and can safely say its no drupal site. Though > I'd be _happy_ to help build out a drupal site for this project (and > I'm sure I could get _plenty_ more NYC drupal community members > involved). > > -- > Jonathan Zacsh > > > On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 00:50, Alexandro Colorado wrote: >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:29 PM, Jonathan Zacsh wrote: >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I'd like to improve parts of the websites design/theming and front-end >>> code. This isn't a judgment on whats already been done, as its fairly >>> impressive (especially since it must've been done fairly quickly) -- >>> this is just my effort to help out in the most immediate way I know >>> how (html/css theming). >>> >>> To start, I could change the navigation buttons on the right-side of >>> the page to be an actual unordered list of text. I could have it look >>> exactly the same,but it would be real content, instead of pictures. >>> Also, I could allow it (*without* javascript pre-loading images) to >>> not flicker on mouse-over of each button. Also, I saw some >>> html-comments in the page stating some stuff that the initial author >>> didn't have the time to do, but would like to see done. >>> >>> Anyway, I was about to actually code these changes in html/css but I >>> saw, "don't edit this page! edit the PHP instead" -- so I figured I'd >>> ask for a copy of the PHP file and save some effort :) >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Jon >>> -- >>> To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to >>> discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org >>> All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >>> deleted. >>> List archives are available at >>> http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ >>> >> >> Hi Jon, thanks for your post, this leads me to ask what is the site running >> on, it looks like a drupal site but I might be wrong about that. Can I get >> confirmation if the group used a web app or a platform? >> >> -- >> Alexandro Colorado >> OpenOffice.org Español >> http://es.openoffice.org >> >> > -- > To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to > discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org > All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted. > List archives are available at > http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ > > -- ++ Volker Merschmann - Content Developer OpenOffice.org ++ Office-Suite für Linux, Mac, Windows -- http://de.openoffice.org/ -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] website improvements
I'm a drupal developer and can safely say its no drupal site. Though I'd be _happy_ to help build out a drupal site for this project (and I'm sure I could get _plenty_ more NYC drupal community members involved). -- Jonathan Zacsh On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 00:50, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > > > On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:29 PM, Jonathan Zacsh wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> I'd like to improve parts of the websites design/theming and front-end >> code. This isn't a judgment on whats already been done, as its fairly >> impressive (especially since it must've been done fairly quickly) -- >> this is just my effort to help out in the most immediate way I know >> how (html/css theming). >> >> To start, I could change the navigation buttons on the right-side of >> the page to be an actual unordered list of text. I could have it look >> exactly the same,but it would be real content, instead of pictures. >> Also, I could allow it (*without* javascript pre-loading images) to >> not flicker on mouse-over of each button. Also, I saw some >> html-comments in the page stating some stuff that the initial author >> didn't have the time to do, but would like to see done. >> >> Anyway, I was about to actually code these changes in html/css but I >> saw, "don't edit this page! edit the PHP instead" -- so I figured I'd >> ask for a copy of the PHP file and save some effort :) >> >> Thanks, >> Jon >> -- >> To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to >> discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org >> All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >> deleted. >> List archives are available at >> http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ >> > > Hi Jon, thanks for your post, this leads me to ask what is the site running > on, it looks like a drupal site but I might be wrong about that. Can I get > confirmation if the group used a web app or a platform? > > -- > Alexandro Colorado > OpenOffice.org Español > http://es.openoffice.org > > -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] website improvements
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:29 PM, Jonathan Zacsh wrote: > Hello, > > I'd like to improve parts of the websites design/theming and front-end > code. This isn't a judgment on whats already been done, as its fairly > impressive (especially since it must've been done fairly quickly) -- > this is just my effort to help out in the most immediate way I know > how (html/css theming). > > To start, I could change the navigation buttons on the right-side of > the page to be an actual unordered list of text. I could have it look > exactly the same,but it would be real content, instead of pictures. > Also, I could allow it (*without* javascript pre-loading images) to > not flicker on mouse-over of each button. Also, I saw some > html-comments in the page stating some stuff that the initial author > didn't have the time to do, but would like to see done. > > Anyway, I was about to actually code these changes in html/css but I > saw, "don't edit this page! edit the PHP instead" -- so I figured I'd > ask for a copy of the PHP file and save some effort :) > > Thanks, > Jon > -- > To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to > discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org > All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted. > List archives are available at > http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ > > Hi Jon, thanks for your post, this leads me to ask what is the site running on, it looks like a drupal site but I might be wrong about that. Can I get confirmation if the group used a web app or a platform? -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
[tdf-discuss] website improvements
Hello, I'd like to improve parts of the websites design/theming and front-end code. This isn't a judgment on whats already been done, as its fairly impressive (especially since it must've been done fairly quickly) -- this is just my effort to help out in the most immediate way I know how (html/css theming). To start, I could change the navigation buttons on the right-side of the page to be an actual unordered list of text. I could have it look exactly the same,but it would be real content, instead of pictures. Also, I could allow it (*without* javascript pre-loading images) to not flicker on mouse-over of each button. Also, I saw some html-comments in the page stating some stuff that the initial author didn't have the time to do, but would like to see done. Anyway, I was about to actually code these changes in html/css but I saw, "don't edit this page! edit the PHP instead" -- so I figured I'd ask for a copy of the PHP file and save some effort :) Thanks, Jon -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
