Re: [tdf-discuss] News about the world outside LO :)
On Jul 14, 2011, at 6:17 PM, plino wrote: Surprise, surprise! IBM will be announcing tomorrow that it’s donating essentially all its IBM Lotus Symphony source code and resources to Apache’s OpenOffice project http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/ibm-throws-its-source-code-and-support-behind-openoffice/9240 I think Symphony has done a great job with its UI work--that's what I'd most like to see come under an open source license. - tabbed document interface lets you open multiple files in one window - a dashboard like the OOo / LibO splash screen, but you can open it from a button that appears on the tab bar. This fits into the dashboard functionality with potential integration into online services, as I have envisioned and previously described: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OpenOffice.org_Dashboard_Concept - formatting and other tools appear in a vertical column on the side of the main document window, which is one of the most-frequently requested UI features I've seen come through the OOo and LibO communities Symphony also has some problems: - it's very slow to open the application initially - removed the Draw component - I think (?) it's even more Java-dependent than OOo ever was Rob Weir's full email is available online here, and his official announcement is this afternoon in Berlin (so it could be happening right now or has just happened): http://lwn.net/Articles/451635/ -Ben Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com 646-464-2314 (Eastern) www.solidoffice.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] News about the world outside LO :)
On Fri, 2011-07-15 at 10:30 -0400, Benjamin Horst wrote: I think Symphony has done a great job with its UI work--that's what I'd most like to see come under an open source license. - tabbed document interface lets you open multiple files in one window - a dashboard like the OOo / LibO splash screen, but you can open it from a button that appears on the tab bar. This fits into the dashboard functionality with potential integration into online services, as I have envisioned and previously described: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OpenOffice.org_Dashboard_Concept - formatting and other tools appear in a vertical column on the side of the main document window, which is one of the most-frequently requested UI features I've seen come through the OOo and LibO communities That would be interesting indeed. But according to one of the IBM engineers [*] they are only interested in contributing the C++ parts (and strangely seem to want to keep using their own in-house ClearCase setup for integration). The GUI (menu/toolbars and the tab windows) stuff is all implemented using Expeditor [**] a giant (proprietary) eclipse based java framework that embeds the C++ document views. So hopefully they are also prepared to free Expeditor. Symphony also has some problems: - it's very slow to open the application initially - removed the Draw component - I think (?) it's even more Java-dependent than OOo ever was Yes, it includes a JVM (IBM's proprietary J9 one) and most of the Eclipse framework for the GUI stuff. I have seen some questions on what exactly it is that is being offered, but nobody from IBM has replied with any specifics yet. Cheers, Mark [*] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-ooo-dev/201107.mbox/% 3coffe6eaa9d.2c929e08-on482578cd.000d5e79-482578cd.00116...@cn.ibm.com% 3E [**] http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/downloads/ls/lxpd/ (a 800MB proprietary download...) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] News about the world outside LO :)
Benjamin Horst wrote: On Jul 14, 2011, at 6:17 PM, plino wrote: Surprise, surprise! IBM will be announcing tomorrow that it’s donating essentially all its IBM Lotus Symphony source code and resources to Apache’s OpenOffice project http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/ibm-throws-its-source-code-and-support-behind-openoffice/9240 I think Symphony has done a great job with its UI work--that's what I'd most like to see come under an open source license. - tabbed document interface lets you open multiple files in one window - a dashboard like the OOo / LibO splash screen, but you can open it from a button that appears on the tab bar. This fits into the dashboard functionality with potential integration into online services, as I have envisioned and previously described: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OpenOffice.org_Dashboard_Concept - formatting and other tools appear in a vertical column on the side of the main document window, which is one of the most-frequently requested UI features I've seen come through the OOo and LibO communities If you read more of the thread you will find that the GUI is not part of the deal. It is Java based and the only code they are turning over is the C++ parts. Symphony also has some problems: - it's very slow to open the application initially - removed the Draw component - I think (?) it's even more Java-dependent than OOo ever was They also removed the Base component. Rob Weir's full email is available online here, and his official announcement is this afternoon in Berlin (so it could be happening right now or has just happened): http://lwn.net/Articles/451635/ Read some of the other messages in the thread to see what is really happening. Rob did not go for enough in his message. Andy -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] News about the world outside LO :)
On Jul 15, 2011, at 10:51 AM, Mark Wielaard wrote: On Fri, 2011-07-15 at 10:30 -0400, Benjamin Horst wrote: I think Symphony has done a great job with its UI work--that's what I'd most like to see come under an open source license. - tabbed document interface lets you open multiple files in one window - a dashboard like the OOo / LibO splash screen, but you can open it from a button that appears on the tab bar. This fits into the dashboard functionality with potential integration into online services, as I have envisioned and previously described: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OpenOffice.org_Dashboard_Concept - formatting and other tools appear in a vertical column on the side of the main document window, which is one of the most-frequently requested UI features I've seen come through the OOo and LibO communities That would be interesting indeed. But according to one of the IBM engineers [*] they are only interested in contributing the C++ parts (and strangely seem to want to keep using their own in-house ClearCase setup for integration). The GUI (menu/toolbars and the tab windows) stuff is all implemented using Expeditor [**] a giant (proprietary) eclipse based java framework that embeds the C++ document views. So hopefully they are also prepared to free Expeditor. Rob specifically referenced the UI improvements, so the followup message from Erik Ma, the architect, is somewhat confusing. In any case, after Rob Weir's formal announcement, we should have more workable information. -Ben [*] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-ooo-dev/201107.mbox/% 3coffe6eaa9d.2c929e08-on482578cd.000d5e79-482578cd.00116...@cn.ibm.com% 3E [**] http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/downloads/ls/lxpd/ (a 800MB proprietary download...) Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com 646-464-2314 (Eastern) www.solidoffice.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] News about the world outside LO :)
On Fri, 2011-07-15 at 16:51 +0200, Mark Wielaard wrote: setup for integration). The GUI (menu/toolbars and the tab windows) stuff is all implemented using Expeditor [**] a giant (proprietary) eclipse based java framework that embeds the C++ document views. So Ooh - I didn't realise that; interesting :-) Yes, it includes a JVM (IBM's proprietary J9 one) and most of the Eclipse framework for the GUI stuff. Last I checked the Eclipse license is a weak copy-left license, and thus persona-non-grata in Apache - in the same way that MPL and others are not welcome. I have seen some questions on what exactly it is that is being offered, but nobody from IBM has replied with any specifics yet. Since this is (by now) at least the fourth significant announcement press interest in ~the same thing (since 2007), and still no code - I'm not trying to hold my breath like I did the first time ;-) But perhaps there'll be something useful we can re-use. ATB, Michael. -- michael.me...@novell.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] News about the world outside LO :)
Hi *, On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 12:17 AM, plino pedl...@gmail.com wrote: Surprise, surprise! IBM will be announcing tomorrow that it’s donating essentially all its IBM Lotus Symphony source code No, not all, at least it is ambiguous here. Rob, in his initial mail praises the UI with some positive reviews/rewards it got, but later on a dev writes it is the c++ part that is the topic here. But the UI part is java based... So what exactly the'll contribute is not clear yet. But I doubt it will be all (as in you can build your own version of symphony). ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
