Re: [ja-discuss] some questions

[Kohei Yoshida]

Quoting charles-h.schulz [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Hello,
I hope you're all having a good week-end.
It's going to be a week I am among you and I didn't see the
time passing by! Thanks to the translators and the community
to make this tour a real pleasure!
It was my pleasure to serve you as a translator as well. :-)
-How can OOo as a community and as a product improve?
Ok.  This is a big question, but let me give you what I feel about the 
current
OO.o in general (both as a community and as a product), and this is strictly
from *my point of view* only.  Also, my view does not represent the ja
community's view.
First, I personally believe that OO.o as a product is improving at a
reasonably rapid pace.  Some may believe the rate of improvement is not 
as fast
as they hope because their favorite XYZ feature is not being included or their
most annoying bug is not being fixed.  But to me it is satisfactory.  I like
what I see in 2.0 Beta, and I'm looking forward to seeing what comes beyond
2.0.

Unfortunately, these product improvements are mostly as a result of the effort
made by the Sun engineers, and community participations are still rare outside
of porting and localization.  I strongly believe this needs to change.
From the Sun development side, there should be some effort to clarify the
process required to contribute a feature/enhancement into the main tree.  I
have in the past submitted some patches to enhance Calc's functionality, but I
also observed some confusion within Sun as to how to deal with my patches (it
was obviously because I didn't follow the right steps).  Since then, I have
learned a great deal about the development process for introducing a new
feature/enhancement, but unfortunately most of it is still undocumented or
unknown among the community participants (the specs project is a good
example).
From the community side, we must break the myth that for whatever feature we
want in OO.o, we must rely on Sun to implement it.  Some features are
technically easier to implement (good starter project for a community coder),
while others require an intimate knowledge of the internals thus are best left
for a Sun developer.  Sometimes, it is a good idea to dive into an issue,
submit a patch and lobby for its inclusion, than complaining loudly until
somebody notices three years later.
But the key, I think, is more and more communication and collaboration between
Sun and the community participants, and it requires willingness from both
sides.  Working together also improves trust between the two parties, and in
the end OO.o as a whole will benefit.  But both sides must make the effort.
I understand this is not specific to the ja community or the NLC, but I just
felt that I needed to share it with you since you asked that question.
-How do you feel about forming an Asian CJK native-lang group?
This group would be composed of three projects (ja, ko, zh)
each of them keeping its strucure but sharing ressources on
technological and marketing aspects.
I admit I am not very active in the native-lang front, but I for one support
this idea.
Kohei
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Re: [ja-discuss] some questions

[Hirano Kazunari]

Hi Charles,
Thanks to the translators and the community
to make this tour a real pleasure!
 

My pleasure (bow)  :)
Are you leaving!
No, man!  You should be a Ja NLP member and a permanent subscriber on 
this list.
Learn Japanese then :)

I have a few questions for you before I leave:
-Do you wish to design a logo for the japanese OOo community?
Your artwork is truly amazing, and Shu Minari's artwork is
known all over OOo...
 

We have some splendid artworkers including Shu among our community.
I am sure they will think about it.
-How can OOo as a community and as a product improve?
 

More Communication and Collaboration between NLPs, all other OOo 
Projects, the Hamburg team, all other StarOffice/StarSuite development 
teams and Sun, and other OpenSource communities.

-How do you feel about forming an Asian CJK native-lang group?
This group would be composed of three projects (ja, ko, zh)
each of them keeping its strucure but sharing ressources on
technological and marketing aspects.
 

Sure.  Good idea.  We have a lot of things to share.
We had a good time with you.
I hope next time you fly over here physically :)
And before you go, please tell us what your daily job is, besides the 
NLC Lead.
The NLC Lead doesn't get paid, right? :)
We would like to know how you live in Paris!

Thanks,
khirano
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Re: [ja-discuss] CeBIT conference details

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Re: [ja-discuss] introduction

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(B ex)
(B mozilla extension and theme site.
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(B Minari-San, can you please elaborate on this point? We already have
(B http://marketing.openoffice.org/art and oootemplates,
(B What would you like to do in terms of clipart, art, etc?
(B
(Bthis page is good.
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(Buser need more automatic.
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(Bif you use mozilla firefox,
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(B https://addons.update.mozilla.org/extensions/?os=Windowsapplication=firefox
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(Band click extension and automatic install.
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(Bthis site have cycle:
(Bfirefox user to firefox community to creator .
(B
(Bi think,user hopes to use it more easily. 
(BAnd, the creator thinks that it wants more people to use it. 
(B
(Bthis page is good
(Bbut this page is not have cycle:
(Buser,ooo and creator .
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(B Confederation of OpenOffice.org, of which the Japanese community is part of.
(B I would like to spend a few days on this list, in order to know you 
(B better. I will have questions for you, and please don't hesitate to ask 
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Re: [ja-discuss] introduction

[Kohei Yoshida]

On Sunday 10 April 2005 08:32 am, shu minari wrote:
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(B  ex)
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(BThat page is good, but is not very useful for the users.
(BThe users want more automation.
(B
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(B
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(Band if you click the extension it will be installed automatically.
(B
(BThis site has a good circle of relationshiop between the users, community, and 
(Bthe creators (artists/developers).
(B
(BWhat the users want is ease of use, and the creators want more users to use 
(B[their creations].
(B
(BThe [OO.o art] page is good, but lacks a circle of relationship between the 
(Busers, OO.o [community], and the creators.
(B
(BOnce such circle of relationship is established, it will add more value to the 
(Bpage, it will attract more creators, and it will benefit the users.
(BTo realize this goal, I think we need more internationalization and 
(Bcentralization of "power" [resources].  The "power" of that page would be 
(Bhalved if we could not achieve a sufficient level of 
(B"internationalization" [international collaboration].
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[ja-discuss] about issueの翻訳

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Re: [ja-discuss] Re: オープンソースカンファレンス2005

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