Re: [ja-discuss] some questions
Hello Catch, On Tue, 2005-04-12 at 06:47 +0900, Yutaka Kachi wrote: Hi, Charles Charles-H. Schulz wrote: I would love to go to Japan. As you know I am an admirer of your culture. These days, I'm reading the Gorin-no-sho from Myamoto Musaichi... It is very interesting. It is so great. Musashi was famous strong Samurai. but I have not read this book. It's a very pleasant and rather short reading... Do you know Japanese comic Vagabond talk about Musashi's life. http://www.itplanning.co.jp/workse.html#vb It is so excite me. This comic is very popular in Japan. It is published in many countries. Maybe, there is french version. I don't know, but mangas (japanese comics) are very popular here. I have attached a picture of the building I live in. Hope it will get through this list. I can see this! Do you live in here? It seem so classic but beautiful. Ah, it's a rather common upscale building in Paris. My parents live there and so do I, when I'm not with my girlfriend ;-) . Today, I've registered to the Japanese project! Thank you and good bye! Charles. Enjoy your trip and KIMUCHI(it is Korean Red hot pickles). - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ja-discuss] some questions
Hello Kohei-San, Kohei Yoshida wrote: Quoting charles-h.schulz [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello, I hope you're all having a good week-end. It's going to be a week I am among you and I didn't see the time passing by! Thanks to the translators and the community to make this tour a real pleasure! It was my pleasure to serve you as a translator as well. :-) Yes, thank you a lot, and thank you also to Hirano-San ! -How can OOo as a community and as a product improve? Ok. This is a big question, but let me give you what I feel about the current OO.o in general (both as a community and as a product), and this is strictly from *my point of view* only. Also, my view does not represent the ja community's view. First, I personally believe that OO.o as a product is improving at a reasonably rapid pace. Some may believe the rate of improvement is not as fast as they hope because their favorite XYZ feature is not being included or their most annoying bug is not being fixed. But to me it is satisfactory. I like what I see in 2.0 Beta, and I'm looking forward to seeing what comes beyond 2.0. Unfortunately, these product improvements are mostly as a result of the effort made by the Sun engineers, and community participations are still rare outside of porting and localization. I strongly believe this needs to change. I do believe this too, and we're not the only ones, believe me. From the Sun development side, there should be some effort to clarify the process required to contribute a feature/enhancement into the main tree. I have in the past submitted some patches to enhance Calc's functionality, but I also observed some confusion within Sun as to how to deal with my patches (it was obviously because I didn't follow the right steps). Since then, I have learned a great deal about the development process for introducing a new feature/enhancement, but unfortunately most of it is still undocumented or unknown among the community participants (the specs project is a good example). Yes, the OOo development process is one of the major drawbacks for new contributors and potential developpers. From the community side, we must break the myth that for whatever feature we want in OO.o, we must rely on Sun to implement it. Some features are technically easier to implement (good starter project for a community coder), while others require an intimate knowledge of the internals thus are best left for a Sun developer. Sometimes, it is a good idea to dive into an issue, submit a patch and lobby for its inclusion, than complaining loudly until somebody notices three years later. But the key, I think, is more and more communication and collaboration between Sun and the community participants, and it requires willingness from both sides. Working together also improves trust between the two parties, and in the end OO.o as a whole will benefit. But both sides must make the effort. I totally agree with you. I understand this is not specific to the ja community or the NLC, but I just felt that I needed to share it with you since you asked that question. Many people feel your way. What I can say is that there is progress on that front. Things change slowly here, but they do change. Remember: OOo is 7.5million lines of code and 150 000 people have already registered to it. That gives you a perception on how large and complex we are... -How do you feel about forming an Asian CJK native-lang group? This group would be composed of three projects (ja, ko, zh) each of them keeping its strucure but sharing ressources on technological and marketing aspects. I admit I am not very active in the native-lang front, but I for one support this idea. It's been a great pleasure to be here. I will never forget my trip and I will register to the Ja project. Now, Hirano-San and I have to fly to Korea. We have work to do there. Thanks and Sayonara everybody! Charles. Kohei - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ja-discuss] some questions
Charles-H. Schulz wrote: (B (B Hirano Kazunari wrote: (B (B Hi Charles, (B (B Thanks to the translators and the community (B to make this tour a real pleasure! (B (B My pleasure (bow) :) (B (B as it was mine too (bow) :-) (B $B;d$+$i$b$*Ni$r?=$7>e$2$^$9(B ($B$*$8$.(B) :-) (B (B Are you leaving! (B No, man! You should be a Ja NLP member and a permanent subscriber on (B this list. (B Learn Japanese then :) (B (B I am truly honoured by this proposal. (B $B$3$N$h$&[EMAIL PROTECTED](B (B (B I will register to the Japanese project; but I can't promess to learn (B Japanese that quickly... :-) (B $BF|K\8l%W%m%8%'%/%H$K$OEPO?$7$?$$$H$*$b$$$^$9!#(B $B$,!"$=$s$J$K$9$0F|K\8l$NJY6/$r;O$a$k$3$H$,$G$-$k$+$I$&$+$OLsB+$G$-$^$;(B $B$s!#(B:-) (B (B We have some splendid artworkers including Shu among our community. (B I am sure they will think about it. (B (B Shu has indeed an exceptional talent. (B $B%_%J%j$5$s$O!"JB30$l$?:MG=$r$*;[EMAIL PROTECTED];W$$$^$9!#(B (B (B More Communication and Collaboration between NLPs, all other OOo (B Projects, the Hamburg team, all other StarOffice/StarSuite (B development teams and Sun, and other OpenSource communities. (B (B Yes, it is needed. Badly needed, but eventually we'll get to it. (B $B$=$N$H$*$j!#%3%_%e%K%1!<%7%g%s$H%3%i%\%l!<%7%g%s$,I,MW$G$9!#K\Ev$KI,MW$G(B
Re: [ja-discuss] some questions
Quoting charles-h.schulz [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello, I hope you're all having a good week-end. It's going to be a week I am among you and I didn't see the time passing by! Thanks to the translators and the community to make this tour a real pleasure! It was my pleasure to serve you as a translator as well. :-) -How can OOo as a community and as a product improve? Ok. This is a big question, but let me give you what I feel about the current OO.o in general (both as a community and as a product), and this is strictly from *my point of view* only. Also, my view does not represent the ja community's view. First, I personally believe that OO.o as a product is improving at a reasonably rapid pace. Some may believe the rate of improvement is not as fast as they hope because their favorite XYZ feature is not being included or their most annoying bug is not being fixed. But to me it is satisfactory. I like what I see in 2.0 Beta, and I'm looking forward to seeing what comes beyond 2.0. Unfortunately, these product improvements are mostly as a result of the effort made by the Sun engineers, and community participations are still rare outside of porting and localization. I strongly believe this needs to change. From the Sun development side, there should be some effort to clarify the process required to contribute a feature/enhancement into the main tree. I have in the past submitted some patches to enhance Calc's functionality, but I also observed some confusion within Sun as to how to deal with my patches (it was obviously because I didn't follow the right steps). Since then, I have learned a great deal about the development process for introducing a new feature/enhancement, but unfortunately most of it is still undocumented or unknown among the community participants (the specs project is a good example). From the community side, we must break the myth that for whatever feature we want in OO.o, we must rely on Sun to implement it. Some features are technically easier to implement (good starter project for a community coder), while others require an intimate knowledge of the internals thus are best left for a Sun developer. Sometimes, it is a good idea to dive into an issue, submit a patch and lobby for its inclusion, than complaining loudly until somebody notices three years later. But the key, I think, is more and more communication and collaboration between Sun and the community participants, and it requires willingness from both sides. Working together also improves trust between the two parties, and in the end OO.o as a whole will benefit. But both sides must make the effort. I understand this is not specific to the ja community or the NLC, but I just felt that I needed to share it with you since you asked that question. -How do you feel about forming an Asian CJK native-lang group? This group would be composed of three projects (ja, ko, zh) each of them keeping its strucure but sharing ressources on technological and marketing aspects. I admit I am not very active in the native-lang front, but I for one support this idea. Kohei - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ja-discuss] some questions
Hi Charles, Thanks to the translators and the community to make this tour a real pleasure! My pleasure (bow) :) Are you leaving! No, man! You should be a Ja NLP member and a permanent subscriber on this list. Learn Japanese then :) I have a few questions for you before I leave: -Do you wish to design a logo for the japanese OOo community? Your artwork is truly amazing, and Shu Minari's artwork is known all over OOo... We have some splendid artworkers including Shu among our community. I am sure they will think about it. -How can OOo as a community and as a product improve? More Communication and Collaboration between NLPs, all other OOo Projects, the Hamburg team, all other StarOffice/StarSuite development teams and Sun, and other OpenSource communities. -How do you feel about forming an Asian CJK native-lang group? This group would be composed of three projects (ja, ko, zh) each of them keeping its strucure but sharing ressources on technological and marketing aspects. Sure. Good idea. We have a lot of things to share. We had a good time with you. I hope next time you fly over here physically :) And before you go, please tell us what your daily job is, besides the NLC Lead. The NLC Lead doesn't get paid, right? :) We would like to know how you live in Paris! Thanks, khirano - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
