Re: [jQuery] php frameworks

[Aaron Heimlich]

On 12/4/06, bmsterling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hey all,
A partially non-jquery question, anyone use any php frameworks?  I was
looking at the zend framework, but not sure if it is any good.



The  Zend Framework[1] is still being developed (0.6 is due sometime later
this month), but IMO it looks very promising, especially with all of the new
MVC stuff. A roadmap can be found at
http://framework.zend.com/wiki/display/ZFDEV/Project+Management+Team . IIRC
it has actually been used in production environments with a good amount of
success (for a framework still in heavy development).

If you use a php frame work can you post a url and why you like it?




As I said, the Zend Framework looks really good. I've also heard good things
about CakePHP[2].

[1]http://framework.zend.com
[2]http://www.cakephp.org/

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Re: [jQuery] php frameworks

[Brice Burgess]

Aaron Heimlich wrote:
> On 12/4/06, *bmsterling* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > wrote:
>
> Hey all,
> A partially non-jquery question, anyone use any php frameworks?  I was
> looking at the zend framework, but not sure if it is any good.
>
>
> The  Zend Framework[1] is still being developed (0.6 is due sometime 
> later this month), but IMO it looks very promising, especially with 
> all of the new MVC stuff. A roadmap can be found at 
> http://framework.zend.com/wiki/display/ZFDEV/Project+Management+Team 
>  
> . IIRC it has actually been used in production environments with a 
> good amount of success (for a framework still in heavy development).
>
> If you use a php frame work can you post a url and why you like it?
>
>
> As I said, the Zend Framework looks really good. I've also heard good 
> things about CakePHP[2].
>
> [1]http://framework.zend.com
> [2]http://www.cakephp.org/
>
Don't forget everyone ELSE's favorite; Symfony.  
http://www.symfony-project.com/

Between these three -- I'd choose whichever one is most congruent with 
your "logic" (naming conventions, methods, etc.)

~ Brice.

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Re: [jQuery] php frameworks

[Clodelio Delfino]

For me, i'd recommend CodeIgniter... http://www.codeigniter.com, this
framework works in PHP4 and PHP5 and follows MVC pattern.It has an easy
to follow Documentation, examples and responsive community. CI +
JQuery... no more, no less... c",)

Cheers
cdelfino

Aaron Heimlich wrote:
> On 12/4/06, bmsterling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Hey all,
>> A partially non-jquery question, anyone use any php frameworks?  I was
>> looking at the zend framework, but not sure if it is any good.
>
>
> The  Zend Framework[1] is still being developed (0.6 is due sometime
> later
> this month), but IMO it looks very promising, especially with all of
> the new
> MVC stuff. A roadmap can be found at
> http://framework.zend.com/wiki/display/ZFDEV/Project+Management+Team .
> IIRC
> it has actually been used in production environments with a good
> amount of
> success (for a framework still in heavy development).
>
> If you use a php frame work can you post a url and why you like it?
>>
>
> As I said, the Zend Framework looks really good. I've also heard good
> things
> about CakePHP[2].
>
> [1]http://framework.zend.com
> [2]http://www.cakephp.org/
>
> 
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Re: [jQuery] php frameworks

[Jon Baer]

http://www.cakephp.org

If you have used Rails or worship the MVC model, you can't go wrong.   
There is a Cajax plugin (to do RJS/Ajax stuff), its really solid and  
easy to get up and running and the IRC room is always filled to  
answer questions.

- Jon

On Dec 4, 2006, at 11:10 PM, bmsterling wrote:

>
> Hey all,
> A partially non-jquery question, anyone use any php frameworks?  I was
> looking at the zend framework, but not sure if it is any good.
>
> If you use a php frame work can you post a url and why you like it?
>
> Thanks,
> Ben
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Re: [jQuery] php frameworks

[Will Jessup]

I use symfony-project for www.kevo.com. lots of documentation, solid 
support, new development etc. highly recommended next to rails.

Will
> On 12/4/06, *bmsterling* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > wrote:
>
> Hey all,
> A partially non-jquery question, anyone use any php frameworks?  I was
> looking at the zend framework, but not sure if it is any good.
>
>
> The  Zend Framework[1] is still being developed (0.6 is due sometime 
> later this month), but IMO it looks very promising, especially with 
> all of the new MVC stuff. A roadmap can be found at 
> http://framework.zend.com/wiki/display/ZFDEV/Project+Management+Team 
>  
> . IIRC it has actually been used in production environments with a 
> good amount of success (for a framework still in heavy development).
>
> If you use a php frame work can you post a url and why you like it?
>
>
> As I said, the Zend Framework looks really good. I've also heard good 
> things about CakePHP[2].
>
> [1]http://framework.zend.com
> [2]http://www.cakephp.org/
>
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Re: [jQuery] php frameworks

[Larry Garfield]

I actually have to look into several frameworks at work very soon, so I'm 
interested in this subject as well. :-)

Depending on what you're building, a CMS/framework hybrid like Drupal[1] could 
be useful.  It's widely used, very flexible, and version 5 (now in beta 2 
release) has adopted jQuery as its Javascript library of choice. :-)

[1] http://drupal.org/

On Monday 04 December 2006 22:10, bmsterling wrote:
> Hey all,
> A partially non-jquery question, anyone use any php frameworks?  I was
> looking at the zend framework, but not sure if it is any good.
>
> If you use a php frame work can you post a url and why you like it?
>
> Thanks,
> Ben

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[EMAIL PROTECTED]   ICQ: 6817012

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exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, 
which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to 
himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession 
of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it."  -- Thomas 
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Re: [jQuery] php frameworks

[Felix Geisendörfer]

CakePHP is what I'd recommend you. Besides being a part-time jQuery 
evangelist I truly belong to the church of CakePHP as well. Other then 
the Zend framework it is not only a loose collection of useful code, it 
is actually a very elegant organizational structure to put your code in. 
It was originally inspired by Ruby on Rails and has many of it's 
features (ActiveRecord Models, Controllers, Views, Helpers,etc.) but has 
taken it's own path and introduced a lot of own features.


It has an an excellent Manual , a great 
community , quick support 
via IRC  (all of the core devs hang out there), 
people actively blogging about it (CakeBaker 
, Jonathan Snook 
, Me , 
and some others ) and a dedicated Bakery 
. With the latest release 
 it also just recieved a 
significant performance boost.


Code igniter is nice, but I don't think it's educational effect is as 
big as CakePHP's. It let's you get away with a low skill level / bad 
practices more easily (afaik). Symfonie is pretty nice and stable, 
however I really don't like how you have to configure *everything* in 
thousands of YAML files. CakePHP takes an approach of conventions over 
configuration, leaving all freedom you need, but not annoying you with 
details when not required. The only thing you have to setup to get it 
running is the database connection (assuming you want to use one, 
otherwise skip that as well).


I'd be happy to see you becoming a baker soon!

-- Felix Geisendörfer aka the_undefined
--
http://www.thinkingphp.org
http://www.fg-webdesign.de


Clodelio Delfino wrote:

For me, i'd recommend CodeIgniter... http://www.codeigniter.com, this
framework works in PHP4 and PHP5 and follows MVC pattern.It has an easy
to follow Documentation, examples and responsive community. CI +
JQuery... no more, no less... c",)

Cheers
cdelfino

Aaron Heimlich wrote:
  

On 12/4/06, bmsterling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hey all,
A partially non-jquery question, anyone use any php frameworks?  I was
looking at the zend framework, but not sure if it is any good.
  

The  Zend Framework[1] is still being developed (0.6 is due sometime
later
this month), but IMO it looks very promising, especially with all of
the new
MVC stuff. A roadmap can be found at
http://framework.zend.com/wiki/display/ZFDEV/Project+Management+Team .
IIRC
it has actually been used in production environments with a good
amount of
success (for a framework still in heavy development).

If you use a php frame work can you post a url and why you like it?

As I said, the Zend Framework looks really good. I've also heard good

things
about CakePHP[2].

[1]http://framework.zend.com
[2]http://www.cakephp.org/



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Re: [jQuery] php frameworks

[Mika Tuupola]

On Dec 5, 2006, at 6:10, bmsterling wrote:

> A partially non-jquery question, anyone use any php frameworks?  I was
> looking at the zend framework, but not sure if it is any good.

In addition to all suggested there is also eZ Publish.

http://ez.no/

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Re: [jQuery] php frameworks

[digital spaghetti]

f you don't want to start from scratch but have the flexability to add
your own functioanlity and have jQuery at the core, then Drupal is
excellent

It has really good open standards. There are lots of great core and
3rd party modules available for example in Core you have database
functions, a user system (that can easily extended), blogging and
story creatiin, feed aggrigators and more.  For 3rd party you have CCK
for creating content types and Views for displaying content, and
hundreds more.

The only current issue is that the current version is beta and not all
modules have been converted to work, but if you really require thr
functionality you can delve into the code and provide patches to fix
it.  The community is great for support.

Tane
http://digitalspaghetti.me.uk


On 12/5/06, Larry Garfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I actually have to look into several frameworks at work very soon, so I'm
> interested in this subject as well. :-)
>
> Depending on what you're building, a CMS/framework hybrid like Drupal[1]
> could
> be useful.  It's widely used, very flexible, and version 5 (now in beta 2
> release) has adopted jQuery as its Javascript library of choice. :-)
>
> [1] http://drupal.org/
>
> On Monday 04 December 2006 22:10, bmsterling wrote:
> > Hey all,
> > A partially non-jquery question, anyone use any php frameworks?  I was
> > looking at the zend framework, but not sure if it is any good.
> >
> > If you use a php frame work can you post a url and why you like it?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ben
>
> --
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 6817012
>
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> which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to
> himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession
> of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it."  -- Thomas
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Re: [jQuery] php frameworks

[SDisk SDisk]

I'd recomened you CakePHP or CodeIgniter. Nowadays, I use CodeIgniter
because is more easy than CakePHP but CakePHP has more posibilities like
CakeAMFPHP for Flash communication between Flash and PHP. A
Model-View-Controller framework, I think, is the best model for programming
:)

I use CodeIgniter with jQuery without problems.

2006/12/5, Felix Geisendörfer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


 CakePHP is what I'd recommend you. Besides being a part-time jQuery
evangelist I truly belong to the church of CakePHP as well. Other then the
Zend framework it is not only a loose collection of useful code, it is
actually a very elegant organizational structure to put your code in. It was
originally inspired by Ruby on Rails and has many of it's features
(ActiveRecord Models, Controllers, Views, Helpers,etc.) but has taken it's
own path and introduced a lot of own features.

It has an an excellent Manual , a great
community , quick support
via IRC  (all of the core devs hang out there),
people actively blogging about it (CakeBaker ,
Jonathan Snook , 
Me,
and some others ) and a dedicated 
Bakery.
With the latest release  it
also just recieved a significant performance boost.

Code igniter is nice, but I don't think it's educational effect is as big
as CakePHP's. It let's you get away with a low skill level / bad practices
more easily (afaik). Symfonie is pretty nice and stable, however I really
don't like how you have to configure *everything* in thousands of YAML
files. CakePHP takes an approach of conventions over configuration, leaving
all freedom you need, but not annoying you with details when not required.
The only thing you have to setup to get it running is the database
connection (assuming you want to use one, otherwise skip that as well).

I'd be happy to see you becoming a baker soon!

-- Felix Geisendörfer aka the_undefined
--
http://www.thinkingphp.org
http://www.fg-webdesign.de


Clodelio Delfino wrote:

For me, i'd recommend CodeIgniter... http://www.codeigniter.com, this
framework works in PHP4 and PHP5 and follows MVC pattern.It has an easy
to follow Documentation, examples and responsive community. CI +
JQuery... no more, no less... c",)

Cheers
cdelfino

Aaron Heimlich wrote:

 On 12/4/06, bmsterling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 Hey all,
A partially non-jquery question, anyone use any php frameworks?  I was
looking at the zend framework, but not sure if it is any good.

 The  Zend Framework[1] is still being developed (0.6 is due sometime
later
this month), but IMO it looks very promising, especially with all of
the new
MVC stuff. A roadmap can be found at
http://framework.zend.com/wiki/display/ZFDEV/Project+Management+Team .
IIRC
it has actually been used in production environments with a good
amount of
success (for a framework still in heavy development).

If you use a php frame work can you post a url and why you like it?

As I said, the Zend Framework looks really good. I've also heard good
things
about CakePHP[2].

[1]http://framework.zend.com
[2]http://www.cakephp.org/



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Re: [jQuery] php frameworks

[Fil]

I would mention SPIP, which now includes jquery in it dev version (used at
www.monde-diplomatique.fr)

Of course it's ZE BEST software. You can trust me on this, as I'm one of its
immodest developers ;)

http://www.spip.net/

Unfortunately it's not well known in the English-speaking community. But
it's very strong in France and Spain, and is doing well in Latin America, it
seems. Very few in Germany, as typo3 holds the "market" :)

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Re: [jQuery] php frameworks

[Juha Suni]

One more vote for CakePHP. It has evolved rapidly and I can't see the pace 
slowing down. It's own ajax-helpers use the prototype library, but building 
your own to use jquery is a flash.

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Re: [jQuery] php frameworks

[MichaL Sanger]

2006/12/5, bmsterling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Hey all,
> A partially non-jquery question, anyone use any php frameworks?  I was
> looking at the zend framework, but not sure if it is any good.
>
> If you use a php frame work can you post a url and why you like it?

Take a look at Seagull
http://www.seagullproject.org/

There is cool wiki with lot of howtos and tutorials
http://trac.seagullproject.org/wiki

MichaL

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Re: [jQuery] php frameworks

[Olivier Percebois-Garve]

Cake +1
its just the most serious, advanced, elegant php framework.

CI is easy to use, but less powerful. Not sure it can scale well.
Symfony implies a lot of configuration and scales bad.




On 12/5/06, MichaL Sanger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


2006/12/5, bmsterling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Hey all,
> A partially non-jquery question, anyone use any php frameworks?  I was
> looking at the zend framework, but not sure if it is any good.
>
> If you use a php frame work can you post a url and why you like it?

Take a look at Seagull
http://www.seagullproject.org/

There is cool wiki with lot of howtos and tutorials
http://trac.seagullproject.org/wiki

MichaL

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Re: [jQuery] php frameworks

[Philippe Auriol]

Hello,

SPIP+1

I've tried lots of CMS and SPIP is of course the best one for me.

And it is jquery'sInside and the most customisable I know.

At least, it is also a fantastic community which is present on  
freenode for irc just like jquery :
irc://irc.freenode.net/spip


Le 5 déc. 06 à 11:09, Fil a écrit :

> I would mention SPIP, which now includes jquery in it dev version  
> (used at
> www.monde-diplomatique.fr)
>
> Of course it's ZE BEST software. You can trust me on this, as I'm  
> one of its
> immodest developers ;)
>
> http://www.spip.net/

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Re: [jQuery] php frameworks

[bmsterling]

Thanks for all the great responses; truly did not think I would have this
much to read in the morning.

AHeimlich:  I agree the zend framework looks pretty good; my question is,
why did it take so long for zend to jump on the framework bandwagon.

Brice Burgess, Will Jessup:  I looked at symfony and that is the one I was
leaning toward last night before I started this post.

Clodelio Delfino, Felix Geisendörfer, SDisk SDisk,Olivier percebois-Garve  : 
CodeIgniter looks good, the videos make me want to buy.

Jon Baer-2, Felix Geisendörfer, SDisk SDisk, Juha Suni, Olivier
percebois-Garve :  CakePhp looks a bit complitcated, IMO, but I need todo
more research on it.

Larry Garfield, digital spaghetti:  drupal looks like it is more of a cms,
but will take a look, I could be wrong.

Mika Tuupola: ez.no looks like a cms, but as a cms it looks pretty good. 
never heard of them b4.

Fil, Philippe Auriol: SPIP look decent, will def look into them.

MichaL Sanger: I was looking at Seagull last night and they have some
promise.


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Re: [jQuery] php frameworks

[Meece, Clifford T]

I really like Qcodo

http://qcodo.com 

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2006/12/5, bmsterling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Hey all,
> A partially non-jquery question, anyone use any php frameworks?  I was

> looking at the zend framework, but not sure if it is any good.
>
> If you use a php frame work can you post a url and why you like it?

Take a look at Seagull
http://www.seagullproject.org/

There is cool wiki with lot of howtos and tutorials
http://trac.seagullproject.org/wiki

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Re: [jQuery] php frameworks

[Felix Geisendörfer]

Clodelio Delfino, Felix Geisendörfer, SDisk SDisk,Olivier percebois-Garve  : 
CodeIgniter looks good, the videos make me want to buy.

I am no supporter of CodeIgniter ; ).


Jon Baer-2, Felix Geisendörfer, SDisk SDisk, Juha Suni, Olivier
percebois-Garve :  CakePhp looks a bit complitcated, IMO, but I need todo
more research on it.
  
CakePHP has a little learning curve. Regardless of that I would 
encourage you to give it a try run. I was doing php for 2 years (and 
coding in general a lot longer) before I started with CakePHP. Since 
then I've learned more about programming then I had in the past 5-6 
years before. It's a framework that challenges your old concepts of 
developing with php and educates you to get a lot better at it. It 
provides you with a clean structure, so you seldom have to think about 
"Where do I put file x?". So no matter what you do, I would highly 
encourage you to download the code and play around with it for a little 
bit, you won't regret it ; ).


-- Felix Geisendörfer aka the_undefined
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bmsterling wrote:

Thanks for all the great responses; truly did not think I would have this
much to read in the morning.

AHeimlich:  I agree the zend framework looks pretty good; my question is,
why did it take so long for zend to jump on the framework bandwagon.

Brice Burgess, Will Jessup:  I looked at symfony and that is the one I was
leaning toward last night before I started this post.

Clodelio Delfino, Felix Geisendörfer, SDisk SDisk,Olivier percebois-Garve  : 
CodeIgniter looks good, the videos make me want to buy.


Jon Baer-2, Felix Geisendörfer, SDisk SDisk, Juha Suni, Olivier
percebois-Garve :  CakePhp looks a bit complitcated, IMO, but I need todo
more research on it.

Larry Garfield, digital spaghetti:  drupal looks like it is more of a cms,
but will take a look, I could be wrong.

Mika Tuupola: ez.no looks like a cms, but as a cms it looks pretty good. 
never heard of them b4.


Fil, Philippe Auriol: SPIP look decent, will def look into them.

MichaL Sanger: I was looking at Seagull last night and they have some
promise.


  
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