Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G LiveCD
Hi LiveDVD-Builder, I'm very happy that the concept of live-images also hit FOSS4G-conference. FOSSGIS e.V. (formerly known as GAV e.V.), who will (hopefully) be the institutional form of local chapter DACH soon, startet using live-images about 2 years ago. At the german language conference FOSSGIS in April we used live-images to provide all the workshop-notebooks using PXE-boot with individual liveimages booting at the beginning of a workshop. A list of the held workshops (sorry only in german, but the projectnames are uni anyway) can be found on this page: http://fossgis.osgeo.net/wiki/Workshops_2008 and show which applications we already integrated in a liveimage. Right now our flagship is GISlivePE, a LiveDVD providing very recent developer snapshots of QGIS and GRASS. Our most recent PE-version (preview edition) produced for the Intergeo 2008 (http://www.intergeo.de/2008_en/englisch/index.php) got the developer snapshots from 09/24/2008. (For download see http://www.gav-ev.de/gislive/download/). We are already thinking about a VE (variety edition) to provide the big variety of FOSS GIS-Software and Data including most (if possible all) of the OSGeo projects and may be some more (josm, openJUMP, Geoserver, ...) on a more stable basis - we are using Debians live-helper system. I think providing (may be including localisations and editions) livesystems under the roof of OSGeo could have a very good PR-effect. Marco Mark Leslie schrieb: Greetings, We at LISAsoft are in the process of setting up a Live CD. While the ultimate goal is a 'comprehensive' version by FOSS4G2009, we're starting with a fairly short java-centric stack of software in order to get the details worked out and get something out the door soon. Our goal is to have a cut available next week, with something polished by the 22nd, hopefully leaving enough time before Capetown for anyone interested to get some copies burned. So I suppose my first question is, is anybody interested in having a copy of this CD? Is there somewhere appropriate we could upload an image? begin:vcard fn:Marco Lechner n:Lechner;Marco org;quoted-printable:Uni Freiburg;Institut f=C3=BCr Physische Geographie adr:;;Werthmannstr. 4;Freiburg;;79085;Deutschland email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] tel;work:+49 (0)761/203-3548 tel;fax:+49 (0)761/203-3596 x-mozilla-html:FALSE version:2.1 end:vcard ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] some post-FOSS4G thoughts
I've been to Canada, so I can vouch for that. :] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jody Garnett Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 4:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; OSGeo Discussions Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] some post-FOSS4G thoughts In Canada we go to the pub. Jody Paolo Cavallini wrote: Frank Warmerdam ha scritto: I would suggest that local/regional conference In Italy, GRASS meetings (now GFOSS meeting) have been organized regularly since 2000. Next year it will be in Sardinia: http://gfoss2009.crs4.it/ All the best. pc ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss Warning: Information provided via electronic media is not guaranteed against defects including translation and transmission errors. If the reader is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this information in error, please notify the sender immediately. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Discuss Digest, Vol 22, Issue 14
Not really. A regional event would lower travel time and travel expense, and could offer a balanced spread of accommodations. -Laura The original post talked about minimizing expense; breaking into several venues actually updates the expense from where I am sitting. Jody ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Mini-conf in Seattle? (was: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] some post-FOSS4G thoughts)
(In Seattle, we go out for a latte.) This is a quick troll to see who'd be interested in coming to (and/or helping organize) a mini-conference in Seattle in spring of '09. Send me email, and I'll follow up later with a summary. -mpg -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jody Garnett Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 5:15 PM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] some post-FOSS4G thoughts Jody Garnett wrote: In Canada we go to the pub. Jody Although that said; a regional conference would be fun ... we are still struggling to have any kind of meetings for the bc chapter. I am amazed at all these other groups that have had yearly conferences since rocks were beginning to cool. One down side with the whole conversation track here is the idea of splitting into multiple venues is that the open source projects cannot always field community members to attend everything. The original post talked about minimizing expense; breaking into several venues actually updates the expense from where I am sitting. Jody ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: Mini-conf in Seattle? (was: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] some post-FOSS4G thoughts)
I would likely attend a regional meeting in Seattle. -Eric Wolf On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Michael P. Gerlek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (In Seattle, we go out for a latte.) This is a quick troll to see who'd be interested in coming to (and/or helping organize) a mini-conference in Seattle in spring of '09. Send me email, and I'll follow up later with a summary. -mpg -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jody Garnett Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 5:15 PM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] some post-FOSS4G thoughts Jody Garnett wrote: In Canada we go to the pub. Jody Although that said; a regional conference would be fun ... we are still struggling to have any kind of meetings for the bc chapter. I am amazed at all these other groups that have had yearly conferences since rocks were beginning to cool. One down side with the whole conversation track here is the idea of splitting into multiple venues is that the open source projects cannot always field community members to attend everything. The original post talked about minimizing expense; breaking into several venues actually updates the expense from where I am sitting. Jody ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- -=--=---===---=--=-=--=---==---=--=-=- Eric B. Wolf 720-209-6818 USGS Geographer Center of Excellence in GIScience PhD Student CU-Boulder - Geography ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
RE: Mini-conf in Seattle? (was: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] some post-FOSS4G thoughts)
I'd be interested in helping and attending (if the price is right and my company agrees :) ) Chip Taylor Prepared Response, Inc -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael P. Gerlek Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 9:09 AM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: Mini-conf in Seattle? (was: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] some post-FOSS4G thoughts) (In Seattle, we go out for a latte.) This is a quick troll to see who'd be interested in coming to (and/or helping organize) a mini-conference in Seattle in spring of '09. Send me email, and I'll follow up later with a summary. -mpg -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jody Garnett Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 5:15 PM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] some post-FOSS4G thoughts Jody Garnett wrote: In Canada we go to the pub. Jody Although that said; a regional conference would be fun ... we are still struggling to have any kind of meetings for the bc chapter. I am amazed at all these other groups that have had yearly conferences since rocks were beginning to cool. One down side with the whole conversation track here is the idea of splitting into multiple venues is that the open source projects cannot always field community members to attend everything. The original post talked about minimizing expense; breaking into several venues actually updates the expense from where I am sitting. Jody ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.6/1715 - Release Date: 10/8/2008 7:19 PM ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code Sprint: How Much?
I've been thinking about something similar to the Bolsena event in North America, but it's hard to work out a scheme that will be productive, given the geographic dispersal of folks. I think a C tribe sprint would be excellent, but we're pretty spread out (though biased towards Ottawa / Quebec). Anyone want to rent a chalet in the Gatineau hills? I'll burn some frequent flier miles to come to *that* :) Paul ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code Sprint: How Much?
On 2008/10/09 10:57 AM, Paul Ramsey wrote: I've been thinking about something similar to the Bolsena event in North America, but it's hard to work out a scheme that will be productive, given the geographic dispersal of folks. I think a C tribe sprint would be excellent, but we're pretty spread out (though biased towards Ottawa / Quebec). Anyone want to rent a chalet in the Gatineau hills? A chalet? Back east? Isn't that the definition of Frank's place? ;-) -- Dave Patton CIS Canadian Information Systems Victoria, B.C. Degree Confluence Project: Canadian Coordinator Technical Coordinator http://www.confluence.org/ OSGeo FOSS4G2007 conference: Workshop Committee Chair Conference Committee member http://www.foss4g2007.org/ Personal website: Maps, GPS, etc. http://members.shaw.ca/davepatton/ ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] some post-FOSS4G thoughts
On Tue, October 7, 2008 22:55, Gavin Fleming wrote: Frank wrote: As an alternative to a stand-alone event, it can also be helpful to work with an existing GIS conference organizer to provide an open source track or something similar. We've just been approached by www.eis-africa.org who are keen to run a dedicated FOSS4G track at www.africagis2009.org , 26-29 Oct 2009, the week after FOSS4G 2009. AfricaGIS is the major GIS conference in Africa (e.g. 750 delegates in Pretoria in 2005). So, who's keen to make it happen? GISSA will try to run FOSS4G tracks / have FOSS4G booths at all future national and provincial events in SA as well. Gavin Gavin, this is excellent! Even although this might be much to ask, please make sure that this takes place, even if you have to go in the lead again. You will eventually find someone to help and eventually take over. It is great to have connected with GISSA and see that they are picking up the idea, this will help spread word on OSGeo and FOSS4G a lot. All, from what I have read in this thread things seem to work out the way we hoped, that FOSS4G can actually spawn local activity and help chapters grow. But it all takes time, so don't despair if next year your only chance to see FOSS4G in action is in Sydney. Instead of despairing or complaining - why don't you start your own meeting? Whatever it is - ranging from meeting in a pub to full fledged conferences with 500+ attendees - is better than nothing. Try to not compete with FOSS4G - The Gobal Meeting of the Tribes but complement this event, either regionally, language-wise or by tastes of beer. The simple magic that gets you going is to connect with your peers and then DIY. If you think that OSGeo can help - ask for it. And please don't stop being critical just because you might get told off by greater minds with even better arguments. If you think something needs to be changed then you should say so. There are already many good ideas under way to make the global FOSS4G even more attractive for developers, communities and suites alike in coming years and many have started off as a comment on this list. We might also want to make FOSS4G a lot more accessible via web with online presentations, videos, podcasts, IRC transcriptions, and the like. Be prepared for a great show in Sydney. If we can't manage spatial who can? Best regards, -- Arnulf Benno Christl http://www.osgeo.org OSGeo President Still lingering at: -33.9201S +18.4237E ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] some post-FOSS4G thoughts
On Tue, October 7, 2008 21:16, Frank Warmerdam wrote: Landon Blake wrote: When I think about the possibility of setting up a local or regional conference I get a little scared about the unknowns. How do you go about locating conference space? Do you approach local hotels and motels about discount rooming rates? Would it be possible to have a way for the FOSS4G conference folks assist a chapter interested in a regional conference? Landon, Good question. I think Arnulf raised the suggestion that it would be good to have some how to hold a mini-conference materials in the wiki. I would suggest that local/regional conference aim for a more modest presence than FOSS4G. In particular look for inexpensive space to hold it. Often universities are cooperative in this regard if there are some FOSS4G friendly faculty. Universities also often have computer labs available if you want to try and do some hands on workshops. Also, ensure you have at least 3-4 local volunteers willing to help make arrangements. If it all falls on one person it can be a very heavy load. Ideally you would have more folks as part of a local chapter who would like to help. You will also want to be sure you have enough speakers to provide a useful event. Best to get some respectible ones committed early. Sometimes it is helpful to arrange smaller conferences just before or after some other GIS event to take advantage of folks existing travel arrangements. If you do this though you may need some good lead time. It can be helpful to have some sponsorship to fund food, facilities, and such. In the OSBootCamp/GeoCamp event here in Ottawa we did not require attendies to register and pay (due to support for the food from sponsors, and the university for facilities). The downside of that was it was very hard to work out how many people were likely to show up, and there was no attendie list for future contact. So I'd suggest requiring registration, and getting contact info, even if the registration is relatively modest (ie. 100 local currency units). As an alternative to a stand-alone event, it can also be helpful to work with an existing GIS conference organizer to provide an open source track or something similar. Best regards, This is all good stuff that should be added to the Wiki and get consolidated there. Would the Conference Committee be interested in setting up and maintaining a Wiki page on this respect? Well, lets say: the Conference Committee should be highly prepared to set up and maintain a Wiki page on how to organize a local meeting / conference or piggy pack on another event. Best regards, Arnulf ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code Sprint: How Much?
Paul Ramsey wrote: I've been thinking about something similar to the Bolsena event in North America, but it's hard to work out a scheme that will be productive, given the geographic dispersal of folks. I think a C tribe sprint would be excellent, but we're pretty spread out (though biased towards Ottawa / Quebec). Anyone want to rent a chalet in the Gatineau hills? I'll burn some frequent flier miles to come to *that* :) Paul, Well, the idea is attractive to me. If I had a better internet connection I'd be willing to convert my whole basement into a programmer haven for a week! The downside of the Bolsena event, in my mind, is that it puts the entire financial onus on the attendies. For some that is pretty tough. I'd prefer to see an event that could be mostly paid out of project sponsorship funds (from projects like MapServer, and GDAL) with the attendies providing their time and labor. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, [EMAIL PROTECTED] light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] some post-FOSS4G thoughts
Landon Blake wrote: Jody wrote: The original post talked about minimizing expense; breaking into several venues actually updates the expense from where I am sitting. How do you figure? The projects I work on are international; it is hard enough for developers to get enough money together to attend one FOSS4G - let alone FOSS4G and a (multiple?) regional conferences. There is also the related costs of development teams slow down while members get presentations ready, are not online during the conference, and generally missing the week after :-) Jody ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G LiveCD
Marco, I'm very excited to hear about what seems to be a very successful use of your LiveCD efforts. For FOSS4G2009, we have been discussing whether we should use the LiveDVD as the basis for workshops. (The other high contender will be osgeo4win, based on windows, as many workshop attendees will be familiar with windows) From the distribution building point of view, I'm keen to collaborate with what you have been doing. Could you please join us on this list to continue discussions: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-grass-general If you haven't already found it, we are using this wiki as our working document: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc Marco Lechner wrote: Hi LiveDVD-Builder, I'm very happy that the concept of live-images also hit FOSS4G-conference. FOSSGIS e.V. (formerly known as GAV e.V.), who will (hopefully) be the institutional form of local chapter DACH soon, startet using live-images about 2 years ago. At the german language conference FOSSGIS in April we used live-images to provide all the workshop-notebooks using PXE-boot with individual liveimages booting at the beginning of a workshop. A list of the held workshops (sorry only in german, but the projectnames are uni anyway) can be found on this page: http://fossgis.osgeo.net/wiki/Workshops_2008 and show which applications we already integrated in a liveimage. Right now our flagship is GISlivePE, a LiveDVD providing very recent developer snapshots of QGIS and GRASS. Our most recent PE-version (preview edition) produced for the Intergeo 2008 (http://www.intergeo.de/2008_en/englisch/index.php) got the developer snapshots from 09/24/2008. (For download see http://www.gav-ev.de/gislive/download/). We are already thinking about a VE (variety edition) to provide the big variety of FOSS GIS-Software and Data including most (if possible all) of the OSGeo projects and may be some more (josm, openJUMP, Geoserver, ...) on a more stable basis - we are using Debians live-helper system. I think providing (may be including localisations and editions) livesystems under the roof of OSGeo could have a very good PR-effect. Marco Mark Leslie schrieb: Greetings, We at LISAsoft are in the process of setting up a Live CD. While the ultimate goal is a 'comprehensive' version by FOSS4G2009, we're starting with a fairly short java-centric stack of software in order to get the details worked out and get something out the door soon. Our goal is to have a cut available next week, with something polished by the 22nd, hopefully leaving enough time before Capetown for anyone interested to get some copies burned. So I suppose my first question is, is anybody interested in having a copy of this CD? Is there somewhere appropriate we could upload an image? ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Cameron Shorter Geospatial Systems Architect Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050 Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254 Think Globally, Fix Locally Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source http://www.lisasoft.com ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] some post-FOSS4G thoughts
I assumed the individuals attending a regional conference wouldn't be attending the international conference. For example: I might be able to attend a conference put on in Seattle, but never anything outside of the West Cost. Landon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jody Garnett Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 12:34 PM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] some post-FOSS4G thoughts Landon Blake wrote: Jody wrote: The original post talked about minimizing expense; breaking into several venues actually updates the expense from where I am sitting. How do you figure? The projects I work on are international; it is hard enough for developers to get enough money together to attend one FOSS4G - let alone FOSS4G and a (multiple?) regional conferences. There is also the related costs of development teams slow down while members get presentations ready, are not online during the conference, and generally missing the week after :-) Jody ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss Warning: Information provided via electronic media is not guaranteed against defects including translation and transmission errors. If the reader is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this information in error, please notify the sender immediately. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code Sprint: How Much?
Either way it comes out of the attendees since sponsorship is generally earmarked for those same people. Now if we could get an organization to sponsor the event that wouldn't otherwise get involved... Either way I'm in. Steve On 10/9/2008 at 2:09 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Frank Warmerdam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Ramsey wrote: I've been thinking about something similar to the Bolsena event in North America, but it's hard to work out a scheme that will be productive, given the geographic dispersal of folks. I think a C tribe sprint would be excellent, but we're pretty spread out (though biased towards Ottawa / Quebec). Anyone want to rent a chalet in the Gatineau hills? I'll burn some frequent flier miles to come to *that* :) Paul, Well, the idea is attractive to me. If I had a better internet connection I'd be willing to convert my whole basement into a programmer haven for a week! The downside of the Bolsena event, in my mind, is that it puts the entire financial onus on the attendies. For some that is pretty tough. I'd prefer to see an event that could be mostly paid out of project sponsorship funds (from projects like MapServer, and GDAL) with the attendies providing their time and labor. Best regards, ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] Conference sponsors
The Aust-NZ team is well under way in planning for the Sydney FOSS4G 2009. As part of that we're looking at potential sponsors. We'd love to grab big, small and in between. If there's a company you think should be a sponsor, please drop us a line. In particular we'd like to get talking to the likes of Nokia, IBM, HP etc. Ok, so they're all big, got lots of money (still, I hope!) and love open source, but they share another common trait; we haven't yet been able to get them on board. If anyone has any good contacts within those companies, please let us know. Regards, Tim Bowden -- Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you recognize a mistake when you make it again. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Discuss Digest, Vol 22, Issue 14
On Thu, 2008-10-09 at 10:10 -0400, Laura Toma wrote: Not really. A regional event would lower travel time and travel expense, and could offer a balanced spread of accommodations. -Laura Only if you accept that most of the community won't be there. The idea of FOSS4G is that it is the gathering of the tribes. No matter what, that means significant travel for a large portion of attendees no matter where you hold it. Regional gatherings can reduce the cost of attending *some sort of FOSS event*, but it won't be the gathering of the tribes. If you want to got to that, you'll either have to pay big or wait till it comes back to your part of the world then go cheaply. Regards, Tim Bowden The original post talked about minimizing expense; breaking into several venues actually updates the expense from where I am sitting. Jody -- Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you recognize a mistake when you make it again. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
