Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G LiveCD

2008-10-09 Thread Marco Lechner

Hi LiveDVD-Builder,

I'm very happy that the concept of live-images also hit 
FOSS4G-conference. FOSSGIS e.V. (formerly known as GAV e.V.), who will 
(hopefully) be the institutional form of local chapter DACH soon, 
startet using live-images about 2 years ago. At the german language 
conference FOSSGIS in April we used live-images to provide all the 
workshop-notebooks using PXE-boot with individual liveimages booting at 
the beginning of a workshop. A list of the held workshops (sorry only in 
german, but the projectnames are uni anyway) can be found on this page: 
http://fossgis.osgeo.net/wiki/Workshops_2008 and show which applications 
we already integrated in a liveimage.
Right now our flagship is GISlivePE, a LiveDVD providing very recent 
developer snapshots of QGIS and GRASS. Our most recent PE-version 
(preview edition) produced for the Intergeo 2008 
(http://www.intergeo.de/2008_en/englisch/index.php) got the developer 
snapshots from 09/24/2008. (For download see 
http://www.gav-ev.de/gislive/download/).
We are already thinking about a VE (variety edition) to provide the big 
variety of FOSS GIS-Software and Data including most (if possible all) 
of the OSGeo projects and may be some more (josm, openJUMP, Geoserver, 
...) on a more stable basis - we are using Debians live-helper system.


I think providing (may be including localisations and editions) 
livesystems under the roof of OSGeo could have a very good PR-effect.



Marco

Mark Leslie schrieb:

Greetings,
We at LISAsoft are in the process of setting up a Live CD.  While the
ultimate goal is a 'comprehensive' version by FOSS4G2009, we're starting
with a fairly short java-centric stack of software in order to get the
details worked out and get something out the door soon.  Our goal is to
have a cut available next week, with something polished by the 22nd,
hopefully leaving enough time before Capetown for anyone interested to
get some copies burned.
So I suppose my first question is, is anybody interested in having a
copy of this CD?  Is there somewhere appropriate we could upload an image?

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] some post-FOSS4G thoughts

2008-10-09 Thread Landon Blake
I've been to Canada, so I can vouch for that. :]

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In Canada we go to the pub.
Jody

Paolo Cavallini wrote:
 Frank Warmerdam ha scritto:

   
 I would suggest that local/regional conference
 

 In Italy, GRASS meetings (now GFOSS meeting) have been organized
 regularly since 2000. Next year it will be in Sardinia:
 http://gfoss2009.crs4.it/
 All the best.
 pc
   

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Discuss Digest, Vol 22, Issue 14

2008-10-09 Thread Laura Toma
Not really.  A regional event would lower travel time and travel  
expense, and could offer a balanced spread of  accommodations.


-Laura



The original post talked about minimizing expense; breaking into  
several

venues actually updates the expense from where I am sitting.

Jody



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Mini-conf in Seattle? (was: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] some post-FOSS4G thoughts)

2008-10-09 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
(In Seattle, we go out for a latte.)

This is a quick troll to see who'd be interested in coming to (and/or
helping organize) a mini-conference in Seattle in spring of '09.  Send
me email, and I'll follow up later with a summary.

-mpg


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Jody Garnett wrote:
 In Canada we go to the pub.
 Jody
Although that said; a regional conference would be fun ... we are still 
struggling to have any kind of meetings for the bc chapter.
I am amazed at all these other groups that have had yearly conferences 
since rocks were beginning to cool.

One down side with the whole conversation track here is the idea of 
splitting into multiple venues is that the open source projects cannot 
always field community members to attend everything.

The original post talked about minimizing expense; breaking into several

venues actually updates the expense from where I am sitting.

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Re: Mini-conf in Seattle? (was: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] some post-FOSS4G thoughts)

2008-10-09 Thread Eric Wolf
I would likely attend a regional meeting in Seattle.

-Eric Wolf

On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Michael P. Gerlek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 (In Seattle, we go out for a latte.)

 This is a quick troll to see who'd be interested in coming to (and/or
 helping organize) a mini-conference in Seattle in spring of '09.  Send
 me email, and I'll follow up later with a summary.

 -mpg


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 Jody Garnett wrote:
 In Canada we go to the pub.
 Jody
 Although that said; a regional conference would be fun ... we are still
 struggling to have any kind of meetings for the bc chapter.
 I am amazed at all these other groups that have had yearly conferences
 since rocks were beginning to cool.

 One down side with the whole conversation track here is the idea of
 splitting into multiple venues is that the open source projects cannot
 always field community members to attend everything.

 The original post talked about minimizing expense; breaking into several

 venues actually updates the expense from where I am sitting.

 Jody
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RE: Mini-conf in Seattle? (was: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] some post-FOSS4G thoughts)

2008-10-09 Thread Chip Taylor
I'd be interested in helping and attending (if the price is right and my
company agrees :) )

Chip Taylor
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(In Seattle, we go out for a latte.)

This is a quick troll to see who'd be interested in coming to (and/or
helping organize) a mini-conference in Seattle in spring of '09.  Send
me email, and I'll follow up later with a summary.

-mpg


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Jody Garnett wrote:
 In Canada we go to the pub.
 Jody
Although that said; a regional conference would be fun ... we are still 
struggling to have any kind of meetings for the bc chapter.
I am amazed at all these other groups that have had yearly conferences 
since rocks were beginning to cool.

One down side with the whole conversation track here is the idea of 
splitting into multiple venues is that the open source projects cannot 
always field community members to attend everything.

The original post talked about minimizing expense; breaking into several

venues actually updates the expense from where I am sitting.

Jody
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code Sprint: How Much?

2008-10-09 Thread Paul Ramsey
I've been thinking about something similar to the Bolsena event in
North America, but it's hard to work out a scheme that will be
productive, given the geographic dispersal of folks. I think a C
tribe sprint would be excellent, but we're pretty spread out (though
biased towards Ottawa / Quebec). Anyone want to rent a chalet in the
Gatineau hills?  I'll burn some frequent flier miles to come to *that*
:)

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code Sprint: How Much?

2008-10-09 Thread Dave Patton

On 2008/10/09 10:57 AM, Paul Ramsey wrote:

I've been thinking about something similar to the Bolsena event in
North America, but it's hard to work out a scheme that will be
productive, given the geographic dispersal of folks. I think a C
tribe sprint would be excellent, but we're pretty spread out (though
biased towards Ottawa / Quebec). Anyone want to rent a chalet in the
Gatineau hills?


A chalet? Back east? Isn't that the
definition of Frank's place? ;-)

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] some post-FOSS4G thoughts

2008-10-09 Thread Arnulf Christl (OSGeo)
On Tue, October 7, 2008 22:55, Gavin Fleming wrote:
 Frank wrote:

 As an alternative to a stand-alone event, it can also be helpful to
 work with an existing GIS conference organizer to provide an open source
 track or something similar.

 We've just been approached by www.eis-africa.org who are keen to run a
 dedicated FOSS4G track at www.africagis2009.org , 26-29 Oct 2009, the
 week after FOSS4G 2009. AfricaGIS is the major GIS conference in Africa
 (e.g. 750 delegates in Pretoria in 2005). So, who's keen to make it
 happen?

 GISSA will try to run FOSS4G tracks / have FOSS4G booths at all future
 national and provincial events in SA as well.

 Gavin

Gavin,
this is excellent! Even although this might be much to ask, please make
sure that this takes place, even if you have to go in the lead again. You
will eventually find someone to help and eventually take over.

It is great to have connected with GISSA and see that they are picking up
the idea, this will help spread word on OSGeo and FOSS4G a lot.


All,
from what I have read in this thread things seem to work out the way we
hoped, that FOSS4G can actually spawn local activity and help chapters
grow. But it all takes time, so don't despair if next year your only
chance to see FOSS4G in action is in Sydney. Instead of despairing or
complaining - why don't you start your own meeting? Whatever it is -
ranging from meeting in a pub to full fledged conferences with 500+
attendees - is better than nothing. Try to not compete with FOSS4G - The
Gobal Meeting of the Tribes but complement this event, either regionally,
language-wise or by tastes of beer. The simple magic that gets you going
is to connect with your peers and then DIY. If you think that OSGeo can
help - ask for it.

And please don't stop being critical just because you might get told off
by greater minds with even better arguments. If you think something needs
to be changed then you should say so. There are already many good ideas
under way to make the global FOSS4G even more attractive for developers,
communities and suites alike in coming years and many have started off as
a comment on this list. We might also want to make FOSS4G a lot more
accessible via web with online presentations, videos, podcasts, IRC
transcriptions, and the like. Be prepared for a great show in Sydney. If
we can't manage spatial who can?

Best regards,

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] some post-FOSS4G thoughts

2008-10-09 Thread Arnulf Christl (OSGeo)
On Tue, October 7, 2008 21:16, Frank Warmerdam wrote:
 Landon Blake wrote:

 When I think about the possibility of setting up a local or regional
 conference I get a little scared about the unknowns. How do you go about
  locating conference space? Do you approach local hotels and motels
 about discount rooming rates?

 Would it be possible to have a way for the FOSS4G conference folks
 assist a chapter interested in a regional conference?

 Landon,


 Good question.  I think Arnulf raised the suggestion that it would be
 good to have some how to hold a mini-conference materials in the wiki.

 I would suggest that local/regional conference aim for a more modest
 presence than FOSS4G.  In particular look for inexpensive space to hold it.
 Often universities are cooperative in this regard if there are
 some FOSS4G friendly faculty.  Universities also often have computer labs
 available if you want to try and do some hands on workshops.

 Also, ensure you have at least 3-4 local volunteers willing to help
 make arrangements. If it all falls on one person it can be a very heavy
 load.  Ideally you would have more folks as part of a local chapter who
 would like to help.

 You will also want to be sure you have enough speakers to provide a
 useful event.  Best to get some respectible ones committed early.

 Sometimes it is helpful to arrange smaller conferences just before or
 after some other GIS event to take advantage of folks existing travel
 arrangements.  If you do this though you may need some good lead time.

 It can be helpful to have some sponsorship to fund food, facilities, and
 such.  In the OSBootCamp/GeoCamp event here in Ottawa we did not require
 attendies to register and pay (due to support for the food from sponsors,
  and the university for facilities).  The downside of that was it was
 very hard to work out how many people were likely to show up, and there
 was no attendie list for future contact.  So I'd suggest requiring
 registration, and getting contact info, even if the registration is
 relatively modest (ie. 100 local currency units).


 As an alternative to a stand-alone event, it can also be helpful to
 work with an existing GIS conference organizer to provide an open source
 track or something similar.

 Best regards,

This is all good stuff that should be added to the Wiki and get
consolidated there. Would the Conference Committee be interested in
setting up and maintaining a Wiki page on this respect? Well, lets say:
the Conference Committee should be highly prepared to set up and maintain
a Wiki page on how to organize a local meeting / conference or piggy pack
on another event.

Best regards,
Arnulf

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code Sprint: How Much?

2008-10-09 Thread Frank Warmerdam

Paul Ramsey wrote:

I've been thinking about something similar to the Bolsena event in
North America, but it's hard to work out a scheme that will be
productive, given the geographic dispersal of folks. I think a C
tribe sprint would be excellent, but we're pretty spread out (though
biased towards Ottawa / Quebec). Anyone want to rent a chalet in the
Gatineau hills?  I'll burn some frequent flier miles to come to *that*
:)


Paul,

Well, the idea is attractive to me.  If I had a better internet connection
I'd be willing to convert my whole basement into a programmer haven for a
week!

The downside of the Bolsena event, in my mind, is that it puts the entire
financial onus on the attendies.  For some that is pretty tough.  I'd
prefer to see an event that could be mostly paid out of project sponsorship
funds (from projects like MapServer, and GDAL) with the attendies providing
their time and labor.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] some post-FOSS4G thoughts

2008-10-09 Thread Jody Garnett

Landon Blake wrote:

Jody wrote: The original post talked about minimizing expense; breaking
into several venues actually updates the expense from where I am
sitting.

How do you figure?
  
The projects I work on are international; it is hard enough for 
developers to get enough money together to attend one FOSS4G - let alone 
FOSS4G and a (multiple?) regional conferences.
There is also the related costs of development teams slow down while 
members get presentations ready, are not online during the conference, 
and generally missing the week after :-)


Jody
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G LiveCD

2008-10-09 Thread Cameron Shorter

Marco,
I'm very excited to hear about what seems to be a very successful use of 
your LiveCD efforts.


For FOSS4G2009, we have been discussing whether we should use the 
LiveDVD as the basis for workshops. (The other high contender will be 
osgeo4win, based on windows, as many workshop attendees will be familiar 
with windows)


From the distribution building point of view, I'm keen to collaborate 
with what you have been doing.

Could you please join us on this list to continue discussions:
http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-grass-general

If you haven't already found it, we are using this wiki as our working 
document:

http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc

Marco Lechner wrote:

Hi LiveDVD-Builder,

I'm very happy that the concept of live-images also hit 
FOSS4G-conference. FOSSGIS e.V. (formerly known as GAV e.V.), who will 
(hopefully) be the institutional form of local chapter DACH soon, 
startet using live-images about 2 years ago. At the german language 
conference FOSSGIS in April we used live-images to provide all the 
workshop-notebooks using PXE-boot with individual liveimages booting 
at the beginning of a workshop. A list of the held workshops (sorry 
only in german, but the projectnames are uni anyway) can be found on 
this page: http://fossgis.osgeo.net/wiki/Workshops_2008 and show which 
applications we already integrated in a liveimage.
Right now our flagship is GISlivePE, a LiveDVD providing very recent 
developer snapshots of QGIS and GRASS. Our most recent PE-version 
(preview edition) produced for the Intergeo 2008 
(http://www.intergeo.de/2008_en/englisch/index.php) got the developer 
snapshots from 09/24/2008. (For download see 
http://www.gav-ev.de/gislive/download/).
We are already thinking about a VE (variety edition) to provide the 
big variety of FOSS GIS-Software and Data including most (if possible 
all) of the OSGeo projects and may be some more (josm, openJUMP, 
Geoserver, ...) on a more stable basis - we are using Debians 
live-helper system.


I think providing (may be including localisations and editions) 
livesystems under the roof of OSGeo could have a very good PR-effect.



Marco

Mark Leslie schrieb:

Greetings,
We at LISAsoft are in the process of setting up a Live CD.  While the
ultimate goal is a 'comprehensive' version by FOSS4G2009, we're starting
with a fairly short java-centric stack of software in order to get the
details worked out and get something out the door soon.  Our goal is to
have a cut available next week, with something polished by the 22nd,
hopefully leaving enough time before Capetown for anyone interested to
get some copies burned.
So I suppose my first question is, is anybody interested in having a
copy of this CD?  Is there somewhere appropriate we could upload an 
image?



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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] some post-FOSS4G thoughts

2008-10-09 Thread Landon Blake
I assumed the individuals attending a regional conference wouldn't be
attending the international conference.

For example: I might be able to attend a conference put on in Seattle,
but never anything outside of the West Cost.

Landon

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Landon Blake wrote:
 Jody wrote: The original post talked about minimizing expense;
breaking
 into several venues actually updates the expense from where I am
 sitting.

 How do you figure?
   
The projects I work on are international; it is hard enough for 
developers to get enough money together to attend one FOSS4G - let alone

FOSS4G and a (multiple?) regional conferences.
There is also the related costs of development teams slow down while 
members get presentations ready, are not online during the conference, 
and generally missing the week after :-)

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code Sprint: How Much?

2008-10-09 Thread Steve Lime
Either way it comes out of the attendees since sponsorship is generally 
earmarked
for those same people. Now if we could get an organization to sponsor the event 
that wouldn't otherwise get involved...

Either way I'm in.

Steve 

 On 10/9/2008 at 2:09 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Frank
Warmerdam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Paul Ramsey wrote:
 I've been thinking about something similar to the Bolsena event in
 North America, but it's hard to work out a scheme that will be
 productive, given the geographic dispersal of folks. I think a C
 tribe sprint would be excellent, but we're pretty spread out (though
 biased towards Ottawa / Quebec). Anyone want to rent a chalet in the
 Gatineau hills?  I'll burn some frequent flier miles to come to *that*
 :)
 
 Paul,
 
 Well, the idea is attractive to me.  If I had a better internet connection
 I'd be willing to convert my whole basement into a programmer haven for a
 week!
 
 The downside of the Bolsena event, in my mind, is that it puts the entire
 financial onus on the attendies.  For some that is pretty tough.  I'd
 prefer to see an event that could be mostly paid out of project sponsorship
 funds (from projects like MapServer, and GDAL) with the attendies providing
 their time and labor.
 
 Best regards,

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Conference sponsors

2008-10-09 Thread Tim Bowden
The Aust-NZ team is well under way in planning for the Sydney FOSS4G
2009.  As part of that we're looking at potential sponsors.  We'd love
to grab big, small and in between.  If there's a company you think
should be a sponsor, please drop us a line.

In particular we'd like to get talking to the likes of Nokia, IBM, HP
etc.  Ok, so they're all big, got lots of money (still, I hope!) and
love open source, but they share another common trait; we haven't yet
been able to get them on board.  If anyone has any good contacts within
those companies, please let us know.

Regards,
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Discuss Digest, Vol 22, Issue 14

2008-10-09 Thread Tim Bowden
On Thu, 2008-10-09 at 10:10 -0400, Laura Toma wrote:
 Not really.  A regional event would lower travel time and travel
 expense, and could offer a balanced spread of  accommodations.
 
 
 -Laura 
 

Only if you accept that most of the community won't be there.  The idea
of FOSS4G is that it is the gathering of the tribes.  No matter what,
that means significant travel for a large portion of attendees no matter
where you hold it.  Regional gatherings can reduce the cost of attending
*some sort of FOSS event*, but it won't be the gathering of the tribes.
If you want to got to that, you'll either have to pay big or wait till
it comes back to your part of the world then go cheaply.

Regards,
Tim Bowden

 
  
  The original post talked about minimizing expense; breaking into
  several 
  
  venues actually updates the expense from where I am sitting.
  
  
  Jody

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