[OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison

[JOvi]

Hello,

I am very new to geoservers and am currently studying GIS info system. I am
wondering whether you could help me getting an overview and comparison of
some of the Servers such as MapServer, GeoServer and Deegree.

I've gone through the documentation of these Servers and the presentation of
FOSS4G conferences. What I've got is that these servers are similar to each
other, regarding the functionality and features. (I am probably wrong about
this). And I still don't help a clear picture of these projects. For
example, what's the strength and weakness of each server in some particular
scenario? Or why would people choose MapServer over GeoServer? I guess I
could never answer these questions without ever using them, right? Could
anyone of you give me some help or tips on this?

Thank you very much.

Cheers,
Jovi
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[OSGeo-Discuss] news items for Journal

[Scott Mitchell]

With activity on OSGEO Journal Volume 6 reignited, I'm soliciting new info for 
the "News" section.  Please send me any items you have directly.  Three or four 
sentences is great to get started, and if I think we need more elaboration from 
you, I'll follow up.

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison

[JOvi]

Hello,

I am very new to geoservers and am currently studying GIS info system. I am
wondering whether you could help me getting an overview and comparison of
some of the Servers such as MapServer, GeoServer and Deegree.

I've gone through the documentation of these Servers and the presentation of
FOSS4G conferences. What I've got is that these servers are similar to each
other, regarding the functionality and features. (I am probably wrong about
this). And I still don't help a clear picture of these projects. For
example, what's the strength and weakness of each server in some particular
scenario? Or why would people choose MapServer over GeoServer? I guess I
could never answer these questions without ever using them, right? Could
anyone of you give me some help or tips on this?

Thank you very much.

Cheers,
Jovi
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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison

[Rafal Wawer]

Hi Jovi,
For a start you can take a look at the evaluation results of CASCADOSS project 
- you will find there also other types of FOSS4G software too.
http://www.cascadoss.eu/en/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=16&Itemid=16

The evaluation is a bit out of date - valid for early 2008, but the evaluation 
method itself may provide the clues how to look at  and compare FOSS4G software 
projects.

Best regards:
RAf


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Sent: 18 February 2010 14:39
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Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison

Hello,

I am very new to geoservers and am currently studying GIS info system. I am 
wondering whether you could help me getting an overview and comparison of some 
of the Servers such as MapServer, GeoServer and Deegree.

I've gone through the documentation of these Servers and the presentation of 
FOSS4G conferences. What I've got is that these servers are similar to each 
other, regarding the functionality and features. (I am probably wrong about 
this). And I still don't help a clear picture of these projects. For example, 
what's the strength and weakness of each server in some particular scenario? Or 
why would people choose MapServer over GeoServer? I guess I could never answer 
these questions without ever using them, right? Could anyone of you give me 
some help or tips on this?

Thank you very much.

Cheers,
Jovi
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison

[Andrea Aime]

Rafal Wawer ha scritto:

Hi Jovi,
For a start you can take a look at the evaluation results of CASCADOSS 
project - you will find there also other types of FOSS4G software too.
http://www.cascadoss.eu/en/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=16&Itemid=16 

 
The evaluation is a bit out of date - valid for early 2008, but the 
evaluation method itself may provide the clues how to look at  and 
compare FOSS4G software projects.


I am wondering if the GeoServer report was submitted to the GeoServer
community for double checking? I've noticed a few errors in the report
(even for beginning 2008).
For example we had in-build testing since spring 2007, the project
was already more than 5 years old in 2008 and so on.

Cheers
Andrea

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison

[Arnulf Christl (aka Seven)]

On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 15:28 +0100, Andrea Aime wrote:
> Rafal Wawer ha scritto:
> > Hi Jovi,
> > For a start you can take a look at the evaluation results of CASCADOSS 
> > project - you will find there also other types of FOSS4G software too.
> > http://www.cascadoss.eu/en/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=16&Itemid=16
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > The evaluation is a bit out of date - valid for early 2008, but the 
> > evaluation method itself may provide the clues how to look at  and 
> > compare FOSS4G software projects.
> 
> I am wondering if the GeoServer report was submitted to the GeoServer
> community for double checking? I've noticed a few errors in the report
> (even for beginning 2008).
> For example we had in-build testing since spring 2007, the project
> was already more than 5 years old in 2008 and so on.
> 
> Cheers
> Andrea

Andrea, 
I also noticed some inconsistencies and omissions in that document. This
is the general problem with canned information that has not been passed
by the relevant communities. It would be much easier to have this type
of documents available in an editable format like a Wiki. I wonder why
OSGeo has not got around to producing something similar? It is obviously
a hard task but if we (OSGeo folks) do not manage to get it done well,
who will? 

Best regards, 
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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison

[Rafal Wawer]

Hi Andrea,
None of the reports were submitted to any of the communities. We aimed at 
completely independent evaluations and the method itself was designed to enable 
users to perform their own evaluation. We cannot expect users to contact 
communities each time an evaluaiton is performed. (-;
Although in few cases - e.g. Degree we contacted the developers/communities to 
get information we needed for documentation. In many cases the documentation of 
the FOSSG projects was ... Let's say it was very often quite challanging to get 
information we needed. The lacking information was gained through hands-on 
experience.
I would love to discuss the details, but I think the list in not a right place 
for it. Please feel free to send you remarks on my e-mail address: 
rafal.wa...@sadl.kuleuven.be.

Best regards:
Raf

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From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] 
On Behalf Of Andrea Aime
Sent: 18 February 2010 15:29
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Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison

Rafal Wawer ha scritto:
> Hi Jovi,
> For a start you can take a look at the evaluation results of CASCADOSS 
> project - you will find there also other types of FOSS4G software too.
> http://www.cascadoss.eu/en/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1
> 6&Itemid=16 
>  16&Itemid=16>
>  
> The evaluation is a bit out of date - valid for early 2008, but the 
> evaluation method itself may provide the clues how to look at  and 
> compare FOSS4G software projects.

I am wondering if the GeoServer report was submitted to the GeoServer community 
for double checking? I've noticed a few errors in the report (even for 
beginning 2008).
For example we had in-build testing since spring 2007, the project was already 
more than 5 years old in 2008 and so on.

Cheers
Andrea

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] 2010 Summer of Code

[Landon Blake]

Thanks for the update Frank.

Wolf: I won't be attempting to mentor a student this summer, so I am
available to help with SoC admin if you need me.

Landon
Office Phone Number: (209) 946-0268
Cell Phone Number: (209) 992-0658
 
 

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Landon Blake wrote:
> Do we have some one that is going to take the lead on SOC for OSGeo
this
> year? I've been quite busy with the Journal this year, but I would
like
> to assist the lead as I have in years past.

Landon,

We are fortunate that Wolf Bergenheim will again be acting as OSGeo
administrative lead for SoC.  I'm sure he would be please for any
assistance.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison

[Stefan Steiniger]

same for me - I stumbled over this page after a hint from Markus - and 
nobody ever asked us to have a look over it or send an email.


Arnulf Christl (aka Seven) wrote:

On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 15:28 +0100, Andrea Aime wrote:

Rafal Wawer ha scritto:

Hi Jovi,
For a start you can take a look at the evaluation results of CASCADOSS 
project - you will find there also other types of FOSS4G software too.
http://www.cascadoss.eu/en/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=16&Itemid=16 

 
The evaluation is a bit out of date - valid for early 2008, but the 
evaluation method itself may provide the clues how to look at  and 
compare FOSS4G software projects.

I am wondering if the GeoServer report was submitted to the GeoServer
community for double checking? I've noticed a few errors in the report
(even for beginning 2008).
For example we had in-build testing since spring 2007, the project
was already more than 5 years old in 2008 and so on.

Cheers
Andrea


Andrea, 
I also noticed some inconsistencies and omissions in that document. This

is the general problem with canned information that has not been passed
by the relevant communities. It would be much easier to have this type
of documents available in an editable format like a Wiki. I wonder why
OSGeo has not got around to producing something similar? It is obviously
a hard task but if we (OSGeo folks) do not manage to get it done well,
who will? 

Best regards, 
Arnulf. 


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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison

[Pablo Carreira]

Jovi Wrote
>(...) help me getting an overview and
comparison of some of the Servers such as MapServer, GeoServer and
Deegree.

>what's the strength and
weakness of each server in some particular scenario
>I could never answer
these questions without ever using them, right? 

 
I have exactly the same doubts, but for me, a beginer in webmaping, the report 
does not help much.

So, I kindly ask the comunity members for their personal opinion, to point in a 
single line what is the strong and the week point of each of the servers.

For example:
- ServerX. good:Nice results in little time.  Bad:Limited resources.


Regards, Pablo.



> Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 11:23:30 -0700
> From: sst...@geo.uzh.ch
> To: se...@arnulf.us; discuss@lists.osgeo.org
> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison
> CC: 
> 
> same for me - I stumbled over this page after a hint from Markus - and 
> nobody ever asked us to have a look over it or send an email.
> 
> Arnulf Christl (aka Seven) wrote:
> > On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 15:28 +0100, Andrea Aime wrote:
> >> Rafal Wawer ha scritto:
> >>> Hi Jovi,
> >>> For a start you can take a look at the evaluation results of CASCADOSS 
> >>> project - you will find there also other types of FOSS4G software too.
> >>> http://www.cascadoss.eu/en/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=16&Itemid=16
> >>>  
> >>> 
> >>>  
> >>> The evaluation is a bit out of date - valid for early 2008, but the 
> >>> evaluation method itself may provide the clues how to look at  and 
> >>> compare FOSS4G software projects.
> >> I am wondering if the GeoServer report was submitted to the GeoServer
> >> community for double checking? I've noticed a few errors in the report
> >> (even for beginning 2008).
> >> For example we had in-build testing since spring 2007, the project
> >> was already more than 5 years old in 2008 and so on.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> Andrea
> > 
> > Andrea, 
> > I also noticed some inconsistencies and omissions in that document. This
> > is the general problem with canned information that has not been passed
> > by the relevant communities. It would be much easier to have this type
> > of documents available in an editable format like a Wiki. I wonder why
> > OSGeo has not got around to producing something similar? It is obviously
> > a hard task but if we (OSGeo folks) do not manage to get it done well,
> > who will? 
> > 
> > Best regards, 
> > Arnulf. 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison

[Daniel Morissette]

Pablo Carreira wrote:


So, I kindly ask the comunity members for their personal opinion, to 
point in a single line what is the strong and the week point of each of 
the servers.




Or we go the other way: you tell us what you're trying to achieve and we 
tell you which one seems to be the best fit based on our experience.


Things we need to know include type and volume of data (raster, vector, 
which formats), server environment (are you restricted by corporate IT 
to something like Windows/IIS or are all options open?), type of app 
(ranging from simple map browsing with push-pins to advanced 
transactional editing and analysis over the Web), expected traffic, ... 
the more details you provide the better advice you will get... help us 
help you.


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison

[Mateusz Loskot]

Stefan Steiniger wrote:
> same for me - I stumbled over this page after a hint from Markus - and
> nobody ever asked us to have a look over it or send an email.

Stefan,

Please try to understand what Rafal says.
It was intentional and it was part of the idea of the evaluation
made in frame of the CASCADOSS project.

There is no point in making outraged debate if this idea was right or not,
as it would be a never-ending story.
It would be better to consider it as a software benchmark.
It is not possible to create a benchmark that is completely and
fully objective and makes happiness and peace in every corner of all geeky
mindship.
Every study makes particular assumptions, so CASCADOSS study does.

The point is to review current status and make it better.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison

[Andrea Aime]

Mateusz Loskot ha scritto:

Stefan Steiniger wrote:

same for me - I stumbled over this page after a hint from Markus - and
nobody ever asked us to have a look over it or send an email.


Stefan,

Please try to understand what Rafal says.
It was intentional and it was part of the idea of the evaluation
made in frame of the CASCADOSS project.

There is no point in making outraged debate if this idea was right or not,
as it would be a never-ending story.
It would be better to consider it as a software benchmark.
It is not possible to create a benchmark that is completely and
fully objective and makes happiness and peace in every corner of all geeky
mindship.
Every study makes particular assumptions, so CASCADOSS study does.

The point is to review current status and make it better.


Checking open source software against its documentation is like 
evaluating commercial software against the help you can get on

community driven forums (if there are any).

Anyways, I agree this discussion would not take us anywhere
and I won't comment any further.

Cheers
Andrea


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison

[Mauricio Miranda]

Andrea,

Why don't just let him get access to the MapServer vs Geoserver
comparative you and Jeff presented at the last FOSS4G conference?

I mean... if he wants to know what is the best option.. that should be a
very very useful material. He doesn't need a discussion, he needs help.

On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 21:46 +0100, Andrea Aime wrote:
> Mateusz Loskot ha scritto:
> > Stefan Steiniger wrote:
> >> same for me - I stumbled over this page after a hint from Markus - and
> >> nobody ever asked us to have a look over it or send an email.
> > 
> > Stefan,
> > 
> > Please try to understand what Rafal says.
> > It was intentional and it was part of the idea of the evaluation
> > made in frame of the CASCADOSS project.
> > 
> > There is no point in making outraged debate if this idea was right or not,
> > as it would be a never-ending story.
> > It would be better to consider it as a software benchmark.
> > It is not possible to create a benchmark that is completely and
> > fully objective and makes happiness and peace in every corner of all geeky
> > mindship.
> > Every study makes particular assumptions, so CASCADOSS study does.
> > 
> > The point is to review current status and make it better.
> 
> Checking open source software against its documentation is like 
> evaluating commercial software against the help you can get on
> community driven forums (if there are any).
> 
> Anyways, I agree this discussion would not take us anywhere
> and I won't comment any further.
> 
> Cheers
> Andrea
> 
> 

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison

[Mateusz Loskot]

Mauricio Miranda wrote:
>
> Why don't just let him get access to the MapServer vs Geoserver
> comparative you and Jeff presented at the last FOSS4G conference?
>
> I mean... if he wants to know what is the best option.. that should be a
> very very useful material. He doesn't need a discussion, he needs help.

And "he" denotes...?

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison

[Markus Neteler]

2010/2/18 Andrea Aime :
...
> Checking open source software against its documentation

... depends on the project... also remember this:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Library#GFOSS_Books

Plenty of books :)

Markus

> is like evaluating
> commercial software against the help you can get on
> community driven forums (if there are any).
>
> Anyways, I agree this discussion would not take us anywhere
> and I won't comment any further.
>
> Cheers
> Andrea
>
>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison

[Mauricio Miranda]

The guy who started the discussion. Or is she a female? I don't know,
it's the same anyway...

On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 22:42 +0100, Mateusz Loskot wrote:
> Mauricio Miranda wrote:
> >
> > Why don't just let him get access to the MapServer vs Geoserver
> > comparative you and Jeff presented at the last FOSS4G conference?
> >
> > I mean... if he wants to know what is the best option.. that should be a
> > very very useful material. He doesn't need a discussion, he needs help.
> 
> And "he" denotes...?
> 
> Best regards,

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison

[Mateusz Loskot]

Mauricio Miranda wrote:
> The guy who started the discussion. Or is she a female? I don't know,
> it's the same anyway...

I mean, you replied under subnode where nobody was referred to, but
evaluation procedures. So, your reference to some person was confusing.
Let's keep the discussion threaded, please.

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