Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Training and certification
Hi Tyler, On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 1:08 AM, Tyler Mitchell tmitch...@osgeo.org wrote: 1. To lead training courses that may also come with a certificate or be part of a larger program. (e.g. for users, developers, integrators to gain personal knowledge and show it off, maybe in a GISP style?) This was what I thought the certification program meant. This should be something more than a few hours of workshop like in FOSS4G. Something enough for the candidate to say that he can handle certain type of work at a job interview. I think a certificate program should be conducted first. This would be cheaper for professionals with student loans to pay. Training, on the other hand, has been user oriented until now. Workshops have been according to end user requirements. A full fledged training can be implemented based on how the certificate program goes. 2. To give an organisation a stamp of approval, that their skills or staff meet some standard There are already groups who's main work is providing training in OSGIS software. Like Ezra says, they can certainly use these credentials. This can be implemented pretty much the same as above. 3. To technically certify a product or application - (e.g. as a sort of endorsement that the technology meets some OSGeo standard) I don't understand this. The following standards come to mind: Does the product output OGC compliant data? Uses compatible versions and licenses? -- Best regards, Chaitanya kumar CH. /tʃaɪθənjə/ /kʊmɑr/ +91-9494447584 17.2416N 80.1426E ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Training and certification
Il 09/06/2011 21:38, Tyler Mitchell ha scritto: Anyone else thinking about this or want to weigh-in on what their thoughts were? If this competes with the activities the professionals and enterprises are currently offering, -1. We want OSGeo to support our work, not to compete with it. This would have a number of negative consequences, IMHO. All the best. -- Paolo Cavallini: http://www.faunalia.it/pc ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Training and certification
3. To technically certify a product or application - (e.g. as a sort of endorsement that the technology meets some OSGeo standard) I don't understand this. The following standards come to mind: Does the product output OGC compliant data? Uses compatible versions and licenses? Maybe to do with having a sufficient help system and documentation (support, tutorials, source code comments) for installation, development and use. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Training and certification
On 2011-06-09, at 11:00 PM, Chaitanya kumar CH wrote: 3. To technically certify a product or application - (e.g. as a sort of endorsement that the technology meets some OSGeo standard) I don't understand this. The following standards come to mind: Does the product output OGC compliant data? Uses compatible versions and licenses? Think more like the Intel Inside or Microsoft Ready ideas. Company pays to have their product reviewed - e.g. to prove they use OSGeo software within or meets some other standard that OSGeo can set, then they can use a certification logo on their product websites, boxes, automobiles, etc. ;) ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Training and certification
On 2011-06-09, at 11:07 PM, Paolo Cavallini wrote: Anyone else thinking about this or want to weigh-in on what their thoughts were? If this competes with the activities the professionals and enterprises are currently offering, -1. We want OSGeo to support our work, not to compete with it. This would have a number of negative consequences, IMHO. It could actually turn out to encourage or provide work to others currently offering training. The goal could be to develop an OSGeo-specialised curriculum, have certified trainers provide certified training to paying customers - in exchange trainers show they are qualified and students can say they are no only QGIS or Faunalia trained.. but OSGeo trained - something that no one can really do right now anyway :) Does that help? Think of the bigger program and not so much on a particular course that might be taught currently.___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Training and certification
I appreciate all these varied viewpoints, so keep them coming! It's not my recommendation, so I don't have anything to defend thankfully ;-) Stepping back, I wonder if maybe the high response on this survey question more reflects an innate need that some feel is not being currently met. That is, how wide really is the grasp of current trainers to meet the global demand? I know that I'm not familiar with all of the various trainers out there, but how geographically disbursed are they and how many students do they reach each year? Not expecting an answer but certainly makes me wonder if that's what respondents were thinking too. Certainly also makes me want to start cataloguing trainers ... hmmm. Thanks for the thoughts.. hope there are more! On 2011-06-10, at 12:08 AM, Cameron Shorter wrote: On 10/06/2011 4:07 PM, Paolo Cavallini wrote: Il 09/06/2011 21:38, Tyler Mitchell ha scritto: Anyone else thinking about this or want to weigh-in on what their thoughts were? If this competes with the activities the professionals and enterprises are currently offering, -1. We want OSGeo to support our work, not to compete with it. This would have a number of negative consequences, IMHO. All the best. Like Paolo, I'm very nervous about OSGeo taking on a training role for the same reasons. Providing good training is a difficult business, which is provided by many of the OSGeo businesses who back OSGeo. If OSGeo starts to act as a business by providing such training, then OSGeo will start competing against its' core supporters. This has the potential to fracture the very strong OSGeo community, which is a bad thing. And while in principle, the idea of OSGeo providing a trusted, unbiased training certification program, I think a very quick review of the business case behind it will make it unfavourable. Either the training program will be of low quality and low credibility, or it will attach such high cost to courses that the courses will be harder to sell. Creating certification takes a lot of work, which needs to be resourced. I might be wrong, but I can't see volunteers stepping forward to build a certification program, at least not in the immediate future. Maybe some Governments might step up (as has been done for certifying OGC standards), but I expect governments will have better things to spend money on. The other group who could write a certification program are training organisations themselves. But I don't think these training organisations are likely to make much extra money with a certification in place. And I don't think trainees are likely prepared to pay an extra 30% for their course in order to see a certification stamp. (And that 30% is just to pay for certification development, before OSGeo makes a profit). I'd like to be proven wrong, but I don't think we are ready for OSGeo certification, and I think it is bad business for OSGeo to compete with OSGeo companies by providing training directly. -- Cameron Shorter Geospatial Solutions Manager Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050 Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254 Think Globally, Fix Locally Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source http://www.lisasoft.com ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Training and certification
Il 10/06/2011 09:18, Tyler Mitchell ha scritto: Stepping back, I wonder if maybe the high response on this survey question more reflects an innate need that some feel is not being currently met. That is, how wide really is the grasp of current trainers to meet the global demand? IMHO, the requests of a certification were meant: - for users, who would like to have their certificate stamped with the OSGeo certified logo - for teachers, who think they can sell better a certified course, and have less competition from newcomers. In both cases, I agree with Cameron: not sure people is ready to pay more for this - probably it's just a nice to have feature. All the best. -- Paolo Cavallini: http://www.faunalia.it/pc ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] Help building a tile cache from a large dataset of orthophotos
We have a data set of orthophotos. The specs are: · 51,971 images, (1.92 Terabytes total) · 30 cm GSD · Cut in 2km x 2km grid · No overlap between images We are an ESRI shop and we are using version 9.31 on the desktop and the server. We do not have the ESRI Image server extension. To build a tile cache from the orthophotos we need to store the orthophoto data in an ESRI Raster data set. This is proving to be very slow and problematic. We have done this successfully in the past but with an older and smaller dataset (2000 images, 200 GB, 1 m GSD). Can somebody suggest an open source tool that can produce a tile cache that can be consumed by ArcGIS server 9.3.1? Thanks, Bernie. -- Bernie Connors, P.Eng Manager - Spatial Data Infrastructure Land Information Secretariat Service New Brunswick Tel: 506-444-2077 Fax: 506-453-3898 45°56'25.21N, 66°38'53.65W bernie.conn...@snb.camailto:bernie.conn...@snb.ca www.snb.ca/geonb/http://www.snb.ca/geonb/ ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] Re: [AtlanticCanada] Help building a tile cache from a large dataset of orthophotos
Hi, Koordinates.com offers hosting of orthophotos on their servers (as they do for Land Information New Zealand), there is also an API option available. I don't know the detils, you'll just need to ask the developers of it. cheers, Sam On 6/10/11, Connors, Bernie (SNB) bernie.conn...@snb.ca wrote: We have a data set of orthophotos. The specs are: · 51,971 images, (1.92 Terabytes total) · 30 cm GSD · Cut in 2km x 2km grid · No overlap between images We are an ESRI shop and we are using version 9.31 on the desktop and the server. We do not have the ESRI Image server extension. To build a tile cache from the orthophotos we need to store the orthophoto data in an ESRI Raster data set. This is proving to be very slow and problematic. We have done this successfully in the past but with an older and smaller dataset (2000 images, 200 GB, 1 m GSD). Can somebody suggest an open source tool that can produce a tile cache that can be consumed by ArcGIS server 9.3.1? Thanks, Bernie. -- Bernie Connors, P.Eng Manager - Spatial Data Infrastructure Land Information Secretariat Service New Brunswick Tel: 506-444-2077 Fax: 506-453-3898 45°56'25.21N, 66°38'53.65W bernie.conn...@snb.camailto:bernie.conn...@snb.ca www.snb.ca/geonb/http://www.snb.ca/geonb/ -- --- Across Canada Trails - Beyond 2017 - The National Trails Network Victoria, BC Canada Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blog: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: 'Sam Vekemans' Member, CommonMap Inc. http://commonmap.org/ IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #CommonMap Also find us on Facebook, Twitter and LinkedIn ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] RE: [AtlanticCanada] Help building a tile cache from a large dataset of orthophotos
Sam, Thanks for the info but I must host the images on our own servers. Bernie. -- Bernie Connors, P.Eng Service New Brunswick (506) 444-2077 45°56'25.21N, 66°38'53.65W www.snb.ca/geonb/ -Original Message- From: atlanticcanada-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:atlanticcanada-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Sam Vekemans Sent: Friday, 2011-06-10 09:39 To: Connors, Bernie (SNB) Cc: atlanticcan...@lists.osgeo.org; OSGeo Discussions; Mckay, Julie (SNB) Subject: Re: [AtlanticCanada] Help building a tile cache from a large dataset of orthophotos Hi, Koordinates.com offers hosting of orthophotos on their servers (as they do for Land Information New Zealand), there is also an API option available. I don't know the detils, you'll just need to ask the developers of it. cheers, Sam On 6/10/11, Connors, Bernie (SNB) bernie.conn...@snb.ca wrote: We have a data set of orthophotos. The specs are: · 51,971 images, (1.92 Terabytes total) · 30 cm GSD · Cut in 2km x 2km grid · No overlap between images We are an ESRI shop and we are using version 9.31 on the desktop and the server. We do not have the ESRI Image server extension. To build a tile cache from the orthophotos we need to store the orthophoto data in an ESRI Raster data set. This is proving to be very slow and problematic. We have done this successfully in the past but with an older and smaller dataset (2000 images, 200 GB, 1 m GSD). Can somebody suggest an open source tool that can produce a tile cache that can be consumed by ArcGIS server 9.3.1? Thanks, Bernie. -- Bernie Connors, P.Eng Manager - Spatial Data Infrastructure Land Information Secretariat Service New Brunswick Tel: 506-444-2077 Fax: 506-453-3898 45°56'25.21N, 66°38'53.65W bernie.conn...@snb.camailto:bernie.conn...@snb.ca www.snb.ca/geonb/http://www.snb.ca/geonb/ -- --- Across Canada Trails - Beyond 2017 - The National Trails Network Victoria, BC Canada Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blog: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: 'Sam Vekemans' Member, CommonMap Inc. http://commonmap.org/ IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #CommonMap Also find us on Facebook, Twitter and LinkedIn ___ AtlanticCanada mailing list atlanticcan...@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/atlanticcanada ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Help building a tile cache from a large dataset of orthophotos
Can somebody suggest an open source tool that can produce a tile cache that can be consumed by ArcGIS server 9.3.1? Tilecache (tilecache.org)? Then if Arc can consume wms-c services your are good to go. cheers -- G -- ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Training and certification
On 6/10/2011 3:08 AM, Cameron Shorter wrote: On 10/06/2011 4:07 PM, Paolo Cavallini wrote: Il 09/06/2011 21:38, Tyler Mitchell ha scritto: Anyone else thinking about this or want to weigh-in on what their thoughts were? If this competes with the activities the professionals and enterprises are currently offering, -1. We want OSGeo to support our work, not to compete with it. This would have a number of negative consequences, IMHO. All the best. Like Paolo, I'm very nervous about OSGeo taking on a training role for the same reasons. Providing good training is a difficult business, which is provided by many of the OSGeo businesses who back OSGeo. If OSGeo starts to act as a business by providing such training, then OSGeo will start competing against its' core supporters. This has the potential to fracture the very strong OSGeo community, which is a bad thing. And while in principle, the idea of OSGeo providing a trusted, unbiased training certification program, I think a very quick review of the business case behind it will make it unfavourable. Either the training program will be of low quality and low credibility, or it will attach such high cost to courses that the courses will be harder to sell. Creating certification takes a lot of work, which needs to be resourced. I might be wrong, but I can't see volunteers stepping forward to build a certification program, at least not in the immediate future. Maybe some Governments might step up (as has been done for certifying OGC standards), but I expect governments will have better things to spend money on. The other group who could write a certification program are training organisations themselves. But I don't think these training organisations are likely to make much extra money with a certification in place. And I don't think trainees are likely prepared to pay an extra 30% for their course in order to see a certification stamp. (And that 30% is just to pay for certification development, before OSGeo makes a profit). I'd like to be proven wrong, but I don't think we are ready for OSGeo certification, and I think it is bad business for OSGeo to compete with OSGeo companies by providing training directly. Cameron, These are good points, but I think they over look the fact that as a community we all pitch in to fill gaps in the ecosystem. Some do training, some do development, etc. Part of the maturing of OSGeo is that fact that there will have to be some structural changes to the ecosystem. Hopefully this is done in such a way the our partners can accommodate and grow with us so it is a win-win and not a zero sum game. Nobody likes change, but change is how we grow and it is necessary, and I totally agree that it needs to be worked out with our business partners and supporter where ever it can be. -Steve ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Training and certification
I'm not going to weigh in on the certification question -- I don't understand the companies out there doing training and the issues raised by Cameron and others. Apologies in advance for a long posting. But I find myself puzzling about how this is linked to universities (our edu group) and the discussions about more formal relationships with universities. I teach in an Environmental Conservation department and also in a Public Policy and Administration program. I sometimes have undergrad and grad students interested in going beyond the traditional Intro to GIS course, and would love to be able to somehow offer a more advanced course that would utilize open source technologies and especially training on web-based GIS (currently we have none in our curriculum). Or enterprise-level desktop GIS that might be utilized in small local government settings (that often do not have GIS because of a lack of staffing) -- like small hilltowns in Western Massachusetts, or local governments in developing world contexts. Right now we offer both Intro to GIS courses using ArcGIS and also desktop open source, but we don't have the ability to teach the next level -- an enterprise GIS or web-based GIS. The other thing I am seeing is a movement away from standard lecture format to one where the prof might use YouTube videos or other open access content outside of class and then use class time to be more hands-on. Also there is a push at our university to try and use more open access educational material to help reduce the costs of textbooks and coursepacks on students. This leads me to my questions regarding training and this discussion. 1) How can we collectively act and utilize the expertise within OSGeo software groups and other affiliates to develop a set of training material that could be connected to university classes? Could people on this list with expertise develop modules? Could we develop, collectively, workbooks along with data and exercises that we instructors could use? If there are people out there willing to contribute to this idea, who are you and what kind of material would you be willing to contribute? For example, I would love to get some students learning how to use technology like OpenLayers or other web-based GIS technologies, but I don't have those skills so would want to offer a group independent study under my direction, where students could try and learn these kinds of technologies on their own and together, under my direction and with the support of this OSGeo network. 2) Would it be possible to develop a network of classes in affiliated institutions that are all teaching the same content in parallel, and perhaps all using one Moodle course hosted by OSGeo? In other words, have face-to-face classes running in parallel on several universities during the same time frame (e.g., Sept-December or January-May) where these classes are meeting face-to-face but then we have the ability to tie expertise and he classes together via Moodle or maybe hold some webinars by technical experts that all classes in all universities (timezones will be an issue here)? This would at least work for universities in locations where they have decent Internet connection. But the idea might be the start of the content for a proposal to educational funding agencies or foundations and I greatly appreciate the approach Cameron has done for the Free DVD in terms of having an editor who coordinates these things. Some proposal for funding would need to put forth that model. I hope these ideas are helpful and not noise Cheers Charlie Schweik UMass Amherst attachment: cschweik.vcf___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Help building a tile cache from a large dataset of orthophotos
On 6/10/2011 9:29 AM, Giovanni Manghi wrote: Can somebody suggest an open source tool that can produce a tile cache that can be consumed by ArcGIS server 9.3.1? Tilecache (tilecache.org)? Then if Arc can consume wms-c services your are good to go. You might want to look at mod_geocache[1] which supports protocols for WMS, WMTS, TMS, VirtualEarth/Bing and Gmaps requests. It runs as an apache2 module or as a fast-cgi executable. [1] http://code.google.com/p/mod-geocache/ -Steve ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Training and certification
I tend to agree with Cameron on this one. There is already the GISci certification process that we don't want to compete with. Plus which particular tools from the OSGeo stack would one be required to be proficient in to be OSGeo Certified. I think that if a particular project wanted to create a certification program - perhaps with help from OSGeo - that would make more sense. One could become certified in GRASS. But to say you are OSGeo Certified would be hard to quantify/explain. On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 1:08 AM, Cameron Shorter cameron.shor...@gmail.comwrote: On 10/06/2011 4:07 PM, Paolo Cavallini wrote: Il 09/06/2011 21:38, Tyler Mitchell ha scritto: Anyone else thinking about this or want to weigh-in on what their thoughts were? If this competes with the activities the professionals and enterprises are currently offering, -1. We want OSGeo to support our work, not to compete with it. This would have a number of negative consequences, IMHO. All the best. Like Paolo, I'm very nervous about OSGeo taking on a training role for the same reasons. Providing good training is a difficult business, which is provided by many of the OSGeo businesses who back OSGeo. If OSGeo starts to act as a business by providing such training, then OSGeo will start competing against its' core supporters. This has the potential to fracture the very strong OSGeo community, which is a bad thing. And while in principle, the idea of OSGeo providing a trusted, unbiased training certification program, I think a very quick review of the business case behind it will make it unfavourable. Either the training program will be of low quality and low credibility, or it will attach such high cost to courses that the courses will be harder to sell. Creating certification takes a lot of work, which needs to be resourced. I might be wrong, but I can't see volunteers stepping forward to build a certification program, at least not in the immediate future. Maybe some Governments might step up (as has been done for certifying OGC standards), but I expect governments will have better things to spend money on. The other group who could write a certification program are training organisations themselves. But I don't think these training organisations are likely to make much extra money with a certification in place. And I don't think trainees are likely prepared to pay an extra 30% for their course in order to see a certification stamp. (And that 30% is just to pay for certification development, before OSGeo makes a profit). I'd like to be proven wrong, but I don't think we are ready for OSGeo certification, and I think it is bad business for OSGeo to compete with OSGeo companies by providing training directly. -- Cameron Shorter Geospatial Solutions Manager Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050 Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254 Think Globally, Fix Locally Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source http://www.lisasoft.com ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Daniel P. Ames, Ph.D. PE Associate Professor, Geosciences Idaho State University - Idaho Falls dan.a...@isu.edu geology.isu.edu www.mapwindow.org * See you at MapWindow 2011: www.mapwindow.org/conference/2011 * ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] Re: FOSS4G speakers selected and program to be published shortly
Dear Peter, just to be sure, is the deadline for the early registration really extended to June 30th? I checked the website (timetable) and there is still the 17th June. Thanks in advance for the reply Regards, Silvia On 06/08/2011 02:15 AM, Peter Batty wrote: After a lot of hard work from our program committee over the past few weeks, we completed the selection process today and sent out emails to everyone who submitted an abstract to notify them whether they were accepted or rejected. Thanks to everyone who submitted abstracts, congratulations to those who were accepted and commiserations to those who weren't. We had almost 300 submissions for around 150 slots, so unfortunately there were lots of good submissions that we couldn't find a place for. We're excited that we have such a strong program. We're still finalizing some details on the program schedule and uploading everything to the web site (and re-vamping the site at the same time). We plan to have the program available online athttp://2011.foss4g.org http://2011.foss4g.org/ this Friday, June 10th. Since we're a little later than planned in publishing the program, we have also extended the early registration deadline to June 30th. We encourage you to register before then to get a $150 discount! Cheers, Peter. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Training and certification
All, I'm liking this thread. Seems like a long time coming to tell the truth. I think this training aspect needs to happen no matter what. I'm still foggy on the details to implement, same as everyone else. It needs to be thought about in the context of moving projects as well as the OSGEO org ahead. I don't see this as something that is likely to step on the toes of anyone already building out training materials, but more as a unified method for such entities to build out their training materials. My thoughts in this area focus on the projects themselves. I think there is more than one level of certification that needs to be thought about. 1.) First (and of my personal interest) is how a individual project relates it's capabilities to the masses via training and education, with adequate upkeep of same, once something like this is started, it needs to be kept up as the project develops as well. I always thought this should be something that was kept close to the Project authors themselves, or at least in a project sanctioned realm of some sort, am I describing another development silo possibly? It also seems like it might be best to only task the project builders with a framework or basic description requirement of some sort, but also directly related to the building out of a much more detailed tutorial or educational curriculum for both the trainers as well as the trainees. Tips and tricks for operation also seem like they may originate this level on a version by version basis. 2.) This seems like an obvious OSGEO incubation chunk of some sort. Even if the incubation piece is only looking at the training foundational aspects. Once a foundational educational piece is in place, it should be much easier to build out detailed training materials after the fact. Could this be related to some sort of ongoing incubation process, whereby a project is re-examined over time (see note below). 3.) Some upper level recognition/certification system that can recognize an individuals adeptness at using the individual OSGEO products/projects. This could be in partnership with higher level EDUs or even Private entities, and can be closely tied to a commercial effort without impacting OSGEO proper, which is (should be) in the position of facilitating this type of work, not competing with it. NOTE: A thought that popped up while writing this -How would previous incubated projects be retroactively brought up to some new OSGEO standards as they are developed, is there a re-certification process at some point that is already built in?, projects are constantly being developed/redeveloped over time. What constitutes re-examination of a projection? bobb Daniel Ames dan.a...@isu.edu wrote: I tend to agree with Cameron on this one. There is already the GISci certification process that we don't want to compete with. Plus which particular tools from the OSGeo stack would one be required to be proficient in to be OSGeo Certified. I think that if a particular project wanted to create a certification program - perhaps with help from OSGeo - that would make more sense. One could become certified in GRASS. But to say you are OSGeo Certified would be hard to quantify/explain. On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 1:08 AM, Cameron Shorter cameron.shor...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/06/2011 4:07 PM, Paolo Cavallini wrote: Il 09/06/2011 21:38, Tyler Mitchell ha scritto: Anyone else thinking about this or want to weigh-in on what their thoughts were? If this competes with the activities the professionals and enterprises are currently offering, -1. We want OSGeo to support our work, not to compete with it. This would have a number of negative consequences, IMHO. All the best. Like Paolo, I'm very nervous about OSGeo taking on a training role for the same reasons. Providing good training is a difficult business, which is provided by many of the OSGeo businesses who back OSGeo. If OSGeo starts to act as a business by providing such training, then OSGeo will start competing against its' core supporters. This has the potential to fracture the very strong OSGeo community, which is a bad thing. And while in principle, the idea of OSGeo providing a trusted, unbiased training certification program, I think a very quick review of the business case behind it will make it unfavourable. Either the training program will be of low quality and low credibility, or it will attach such high cost to courses that the courses will be harder to sell. Creating certification takes a lot of work, which needs to be resourced. I might be wrong, but I can't see volunteers stepping forward to build a certification program, at least not in the immediate future. Maybe some Governments might step up (as has been done for certifying OGC standards), but I expect governments will have better things to spend money on. The other group who could write a certification program are training
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Training and certification
All, Sorry, I thought of another piece to this conversation that might stimulate the conversation. Here at the City we're currently pursuing a Public Works Accreditation for use of Best Practices. My question to the group would be, what would a theoretical response be from OSGEO on the question of What are the Best Practices related to the use of Open Source (geo) Software? (or some such). Administratively, this type of question comes up often, and the vagaries of Open Source use don't seem to lend themselves to a concrete answer. It seems like answering such a question with a more comprehensive level of training and certification in place would be much easier. Am I think about this in the wrong way? bobb Bob Basques bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us wrote: All, I'm liking this thread. Seems like a long time coming to tell the truth. I think this training aspect needs to happen no matter what. I'm still foggy on the details to implement, same as everyone else. It needs to be thought about in the context of moving projects as well as the OSGEO org ahead. I don't see this as something that is likely to step on the toes of anyone already building out training materials, but more as a unified method for such entities to build out their training materials. My thoughts in this area focus on the projects themselves. I think there is more than one level of certification that needs to be thought about. 1.) First (and of my personal interest) is how a individual project relates it's capabilities to the masses via training and education, with adequate upkeep of same, once something like this is started, it needs to be kept up as the project develops as well. I always thought this should be something that was kept close to the Project authors themselves, or at least in a project sanctioned realm of some sort, am I describing another development silo possibly? It also seems like it might be best to only task the project builders with a framework or basic description requirement of some sort, but also directly related to the building out of a much more detailed tutorial or educational curriculum for both the trainers as well as the trainees. Tips and tricks for operation also seem like they may originate this level on a version by version basis. 2.) This seems like an obvious OSGEO incubation chunk of some sort. Even if the incubation piece is only looking at the training foundational aspects. Once a foundational educational piece is in place, it should be much easier to build out detailed training materials after the fact. Could this be related to some sort of ongoing incubation process, whereby a project is re-examined over time (see note below). 3.) Some upper level recognition/certification system that can recognize an individuals adeptness at using the individual OSGEO products/projects. This could be in partnership with higher level EDUs or even Private entities, and can be closely tied to a commercial effort without impacting OSGEO proper, which is (should be) in the position of facilitating this type of work, not competing with it. NOTE: A thought that popped up while writing this -How would previous incubated projects be retroactively brought up to some new OSGEO standards as they are developed, is there a re-certification process at some point that is already built in?, projects are constantly being developed/redeveloped over time. What constitutes re-examination of a projection? bobb Daniel Ames dan.a...@isu.edu wrote: I tend to agree with Cameron on this one. There is already the GISci certification process that we don't want to compete with. Plus which particular tools from the OSGeo stack would one be required to be proficient in to be OSGeo Certified. I think that if a particular project wanted to create a certification program - perhaps with help from OSGeo - that would make more sense. One could become certified in GRASS. But to say you are OSGeo Certified would be hard to quantify/explain. On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 1:08 AM, Cameron Shorter cameron.shor...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/06/2011 4:07 PM, Paolo Cavallini wrote: Il 09/06/2011 21:38, Tyler Mitchell ha scritto: Anyone else thinking about this or want to weigh-in on what their thoughts were? If this competes with the activities the professionals and enterprises are currently offering, -1. We want OSGeo to support our work, not to compete with it. This would have a number of negative consequences, IMHO. All the best. Like Paolo, I'm very nervous about OSGeo taking on a training role for the same reasons. Providing good training is a difficult business, which is provided by many of the OSGeo businesses who back OSGeo. If OSGeo starts to act as a business by providing such training, then OSGeo will start competing against its' core supporters. This has the potential to fracture the very strong OSGeo community, which is a
[OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Help building a tile cache from a large dataset of orthophotos
Clarification: ArcGIS desktop is *NOT* able to consume wms-c natively, and probably won't ever. Maybe WMTS someday. ArcBruTile will fix that. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Help building a tile cache from a large dataset of orthophotos
Can somebody suggest an open source tool that can produce a tile cache that can be consumed by ArcGIS server 9.3.1? Tilecache (tilecache.org)? Then if Arc can consume wms-c services your are good to go. Or GeoWebcache. ArcGIS desktop is able to consume wms-c natively. At one point last year, ESRI said they would be supporting WMTS sometime post 10.0. I don't know if that materialized or not. This is supposed to enable tiled map service support though. http://arcbrutile.codeplex.com/ ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] Live webcasts of the Third Open Source GIS Conference- OSGIS 2011
Dear All, As done over the previous years, we have made arrangements for the live webcasts of this year's Open Source GIS Conference (OSGIS 2011) at the Centre for Geospatial Science, University of Nottingham so that the excellent work done by the open source GIS community reaches more people across the world, have greater impact and benefit the wider community not just the conference delegates. To view the live webcasts please click on the Live webcast link at the conference webpage at http://cgs.nottingham.ac.uk/~osgis11/os_home.html The link will be active when the streaming starts (09:00 GMT on 22nd June 2011). The conference provisional agenda is at http://cgs.nottingham.ac.uk/~osgis11/Agenda.pdf We look forward to welcoming you for joining us in our vision and mission on further building up Open Source, Open Standards, Open data research. Best wishes, Suchith Dr Suchith Anand Centre for Geospatial Science The Nottingham Geospatial Building University of Nottingham NG7 2 TU Tel: (0)115 82 32750 http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/~lgzwww/contacts/staffPages/SuchithAnand/Suchith%20Anand.htm http://www.opensourcegis.org.uk/ http://ica-opensource.scg.ulaval.ca/ Mission - Building up Open Source, Open Standards, Open Data research for bridging the digital divide This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation.___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] Mapguide 2.1 - Windows 7 - Gdal Raster freezes over 4GB
I have a problem I am experiencing were the mapguide server becomes unresponsive and locks up with raster datasets over 4GB. The strange part is the same setup with the same dataset works with Windows XP but does not work in Windows 7 32 bit. I cannot stop the MGServer process so I have to kill it in task manager. I have to restart MGServer and world wide web service to recover. The process locks one of the raster files because I cannot move one of them until the mgservice is killed. I setup the raster the same on each from here: http://trac.osgeo.org/mapguide/wiki/MGOS21GdalProvider http://trac.osgeo.org/mapguide/wiki/MGOS21GdalProvider Rasters are stored locally Working Platform Mapguide OS 2.1 Windows XP GDAL Raster Driver JP2 or ECW Non-Working Platform Mapguide OS 2.1 Windows 7 32 bit GDAL Raster Driver JP2 or ECW Is there something I am missing to get these large datasets to work in Windows 7? Would MGO 2.2 fix this issue? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, -Troy Miller ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G 2012 Call for Hosting
The OSGeo Conference Committee is happy to announce the call for hosting the FOSS4G 2012 event. With the excitement building for the upcoming event in Denver, and after such a wonderful event in Barcelona last year, OSGeo again plans on making the 2012 event *the* geospatial conference of the year. Please see the following page for the actual request for hosting document, as well as upcoming important dates: http://www.osgeo.org/conference/rfp/ If you have any questions regarding the 2012 call for hosting, feel free to send an email to the conference-dev mailing list (subscribe at http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev). Thank you. -- OSGeo Conference Committee ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Media Sponsorship
On 06/09/2011 10:35 PM, Tyler Mitchell wrote: Hi everybody, I've been working on an idea to start a Media Sponsorship opportunity for OSGeo. We already do this same idea for FOSS4G each year, so why not try it for the organisation in general? I already know of a few media companies that would be interested in: * providing $x worth of advertising for OSGeo * in exchange for being listed as a Media Sponsor This is also a great way to keep communication open so, for example, OSGeo members can write articles for these companies, we can get our press releases easily, we can have our logo front and centre, etc. Note, I'm not proposing an in-kind sponsorship position, but one with real $ values tied to the arrangement (likely $10k spread over a year). Putting the idea out there - what do you think? Thumbs up or down? Think of any ways to make it more enticing? Tyler Tyler, this sounds like a good idea, nothing to add from my side. Best regards, Arnulf -- Exploring Space, Time and Mind http://arnulf.us ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Media Sponsorship
+1 here too. I like the idea of providing an avenue for us to pitch articles, etc. I know that in principle anyone can submit a piece to most of the industry pubs, but in practice the editors tend to favor those they have a pre-existing relationship with. -mpg -Original Message- From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss- boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Seven (aka Arnulf) Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 1:09 PM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Media Sponsorship On 06/09/2011 10:35 PM, Tyler Mitchell wrote: Hi everybody, I've been working on an idea to start a Media Sponsorship opportunity for OSGeo. We already do this same idea for FOSS4G each year, so why not try it for the organisation in general? I already know of a few media companies that would be interested in: * providing $x worth of advertising for OSGeo * in exchange for being listed as a Media Sponsor This is also a great way to keep communication open so, for example, OSGeo members can write articles for these companies, we can get our press releases easily, we can have our logo front and centre, etc. Note, I'm not proposing an in-kind sponsorship position, but one with real $ values tied to the arrangement (likely $10k spread over a year). Putting the idea out there - what do you think? Thumbs up or down? Think of any ways to make it more enticing? Tyler Tyler, this sounds like a good idea, nothing to add from my side. Best regards, Arnulf -- Exploring Space, Time and Mind http://arnulf.us ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G program published and new web site launched
We are pleased to announce the publication of the FOSS4G 2011 program. You can view the program details herehttp://2011.foss4g.org/program/session-schedule. Selection was very competitive - we had almost 300 submissions for around 150 sessions. So congratulations to those who made it, and commiserations to those who didn't, but we hope to still see you in Denver for the conference! We feel we have an excellent program lined up. We have also announced our plenary speakershttp://2011.foss4g.org/content/plenary-speakers. They include several speakers new to FOSS4G, and several FOSS4G veterans. *Michael Byrne*, GIO of the FCC (Federal Communications Commission), will talk about their work on the National Broadband Map, which is based entirely on an open source software stack, and implements some innovative ideas regarding open data. *Peter Ter Haar*, Director of Products at the Ordnance Survey, the national mapping agency of Great Britain, will talk about their experience with open data initiatives over the past 18 months, as well as how they are using open source. *Paul Ramsey* will talk on Why do you do that? An exploration of open source business models. *Steve Coast*, founder of OpenStreetMap, will talk about the past, present and (mainly) future of OpenStreetMap. We will have a panel on Open x 4 discussing various aspects of openness, chaired by *Matt Ball* and featuring *Arnulf Christl*, President of OSGeo, *Steve Coast*, and *Carl Reed*, CTO of OGC. *Schuyler Erle* and *Brian Timoney* have accepted the challenge of giving us a couple of short and entertaining but also insightful presentations to close proceedings on Wednesday and Thursday. And *Jeff McKenna* will be leading the ever-popular web mapping performance shootout in the final session. Check the full list http://2011.foss4g.org/content/plenary-speakers to see all the plenary speakers. We have also redesigned and re-implemented the web site. Nice features include a searchable program schedule. Shortly we will also have the ability to save items to build your own custom schedule. We have a few things still on our to do list, so you'll see some more improvements and additions over the next few weeks. Please let us knowpe...@ebatty.com?subject=FOSS4G%20web%20site%20feedbackif you have any feedback on the new website, including additional content or features you'd like to see. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G program published and new web site launched
Thanks for the hard work; the improved website is a joy to navigate. -- Jody Garnett On Saturday, 11 June 2011 at 8:27 AM, Peter Batty wrote: We are pleased to announce the publication of the FOSS4G 2011 program. You can view the program details here (http://2011.foss4g.org/program/session-schedule). Selection was very competitive - we had almost 300 submissions for around 150 sessions. So congratulations to those who made it, and commiserations to those who didn't, but we hope to still see you in Denver for the conference! We feel we have an excellent program lined up. We have also announced our plenary speakers (http://2011.foss4g.org/content/plenary-speakers). They include several speakers new to FOSS4G, and several FOSS4G veterans. Michael Byrne, GIO of the FCC (Federal Communications Commission), will talk about their work on the National Broadband Map, which is based entirely on an open source software stack, and implements some innovative ideas regarding open data. Peter Ter Haar, Director of Products at the Ordnance Survey, the national mapping agency of Great Britain, will talk about their experience with open data initiatives over the past 18 months, as well as how they are using open source. Paul Ramsey will talk on Why do you do that? An exploration of open source business models. Steve Coast, founder of OpenStreetMap, will talk about the past, present and (mainly) future of OpenStreetMap. We will have a panel on Open x 4 discussing various aspects of openness, chaired by Matt Ball and featuring Arnulf Christl, President of OSGeo, Steve Coast, and Carl Reed, CTO of OGC. Schuyler Erle and Brian Timoney have accepted the challenge of giving us a couple of short and entertaining but also insightful presentations to close proceedings on Wednesday and Thursday. And Jeff McKenna will be leading the ever-popular web mapping performance shootout in the final session. Check the full list (http://2011.foss4g.org/content/plenary-speakers) to see all the plenary speakers. We have also redesigned and re-implemented the web site. Nice features include a searchable program schedule. Shortly we will also have the ability to save items to build your own custom schedule. We have a few things still on our to do list, so you'll see some more improvements and additions over the next few weeks. Please let us know (mailto:pe...@ebatty.com?subject=FOSS4G%20web%20site%20feedback) if you have any feedback on the new website, including additional content or features you'd like to see. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org (mailto:Discuss@lists.osgeo.org) http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
