Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration

[Christian Willmes]

I am all for opening up the conversation and adding additional 
interfaces to participate, but pleas without messing up or breaking the 
existing discussion channels.



Am 01.01.24 um 16:28 schrieb Sandro Santilli via Discuss:

On Fri, Dec 29, 2023 at 04:16:03PM +, Cannata Massimiliano via Discuss 
wrote:


it is a factual observation that there has been a sensible decline in the 
engagement of people in OSGeo...
Not in the conferences presences but in the remote collaboration and 
development...

This is a very interesting topic and I've been recently advocating
opening up access to some infrastructure related git repositories
with the specific aim of giving remote collaboration and development
more chances (you cannot collaborate in a private repository for sure)

--strk;

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Re: Change in mailing list configuration

[Christian Willmes]

I notice, that the discuss list is *not* working as it was before.

Please re-add the [OSGeo-Discuss] prefix to the subject, you are messing 
with my filter configuration and I dislike this (very much).


Thank you for your service on the SAC but please can we at least have a 
formal vote on such major changes in the future *before* the change is 
conducted?


Thanks and best regards
Christian

Am 12.01.24 um 11:03 schrieb Sandro Santilli:

On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 10:32:06PM +0100, Javier Jimenez Shaw wrote:

Hi Sandro

It is surprising, but this is the first email from "discuss" that Gmail is
suggesting it could be spam. It says

"Be careful with this message
The sender hasn't authenticated this message, so Gmail can't verify that it
actually came from them."

I think this is because with the new configuration you're receiving the email
with MY email address rather than the OSGeo service email address as the sender,
so your mail server is evaluating MY reputation rather than the OSGeo one.

I clearly have to work on my email address reputation more (I do have
SPF setup but not DKIM).

--strk;


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Re: Change in mailing list configuration

[Christian Willmes]

As far as I understood it, the mailing list will continue to work as is 
in the future? And discourse is only a mirror or an additional interface 
for those who prefer to communicate via this app?


I will not use the discourse app, if this mailing list stops its 
service, I am out of the conversation as well.


Thanks and best regards
Christian

Am 12.01.24 um 09:30 schrieb Bruce Bannerman:

Well said Florian,

I won’t be far behind you.

…and we wonder why user engagement on the lists has dropped off.

I have made some great friends within the OSGeo community over the years. Best 
wishes to you all.

I’ll be decommissioning this email address in the near future.  If you’d like 
to stay in contact drop me a private email.

Kind regards,

Bruce



On 12 Jan 2024, at 19:05, Florian Ledermann  
wrote:

I'm unsubscribing in protest of those changes.

I was hoping that this proposal would be objected by more active community members, but 
as a mere lurker it is not worth it for me to engage in lengthy discussions, if the 
people in charge decide to break decodes-long established UX conventions on short notice 
for the sake of "spam protection". As far as I see it these developments are 
mainly driven by corporations who pursue the political goal of destroying independent 
email infrastructure, and I would have hoped the OS community to resist those 
developments instead of happily nodding along.

Best, Florian



On 11.01.2024 19:31, Sandro Santilli wrote:
We've changed the configuration of this mailing list to respect the
recomendations from the SysAdmin team:
 https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/SAC:Mailing_Lists#Configuring_the_mailing_list
Notable changes are:
   1. No more [OSGeo-Discuss] prefix in email subjects
   2. No more added footer
   3. Real sender address in the From field
   4. DKIM signed emails will not be considered maliciously tampered \o/
For filtering the emails or finding mailing list address to change
user preferences you will be able to use the email headers.
Many mail user agents should be able to figure this out by themselves,
others might need manual configuration.
Just as an example, my mail configuration for the PostGIS Developers
looks like this (procmail recipe):
   :0
   * ^List-ID:.*postgis-devel.lists.osgeo.org
   * !^X-List-Administrivia: yes
   .postgis-devel/
Happy mailing !
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] pointers to open source digital "twin software" projects/efforts

[Christian Willmes via Discuss]

Hello,

I would recommend looking at CesiumJS: https://cesium.com/platform/cesiumjs/

And in particular 3D Tiles Next as data format: 
https://cesium.com/blog/2021/11/10/introducing-3d-tiles-next/


Greetings,
Christian

Am 27.01.23 um 05:30 schrieb karsten via Discuss:

Hi All,
a friend asked me if I knew about open source digital "twin 
software". While I have heard about the concept unfortunately I have 
am not aware what exists in this field and in addition is open source.
I found this article online summarizing some efforts ( 
https://www.vortech.nl/en/an-open-source-platform-for-digital-twins/ ) 
but I amnot sure how new this is.

Can anyone on this list point me to any efforts in regards to this ?
Thanks so much
Cheers
Karsten
Karsten Vennemann
Principal

Terra GIS LTD
2119 Boyer Ave E
Seattle, WA  98112
USA
www.terragis.net <http://www.terragis.net/>

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Geo4All] Draft of Open Letter on the importance to protecting independent peer review frameworks for Scholarly publications of Scientific Associations

[Christian Willmes]

Hi Peter,


good point! And fair enough for your example on SQL which is an open 
standard and thus reproducible in theory and practice. My Point is more 
general, although it may not be 100% thought through yet, so comments 
are welcome. My argumetation on this is as follows:



Scientific publications that deal for example with a GIS analysis on a 
specific topic, should be published in a way, that any reader of that 
study can practically reproduce its analysis and its results.



From my point of view, for > 90% of publications in the GIS domain, 
this is not the case yet, either caused by constraints in data 
availability or software availability, or mostly by just the lack of 
precise documentation and citation of the data sources and the conduct 
of the processing workflow of the study. Hardware constraints are also a 
thing, but I think this should not be the concern of the scientist, to 
ensure his/her research is open and transparent and in practice and 
theory reproducible.


Software wise, it would be from my point of view plain unscientific, if 
the results in the publication are produced with a proprietary ("point 
and click" without detailed documentation of processing steps taken) 
software, and additionally are not reproducible without a license of 
that software. Thus I would demand, to be able to label something Open 
Science or reproducible Science, access to the software (or at least 
precise definitions of how it is implemented, for example the source 
code) for reproducing the results must be a given. For example a script 
executing all the commands for the analysis workflow conducted, would do 
this precisely. If the script uses closed software, this would be less 
open compared to a script that uses open software.



But in the end I am sure, that these kinds of reproducible research 
publications, will end up using open source or at least open access 
(free for scientific use) software, because it will just generate more 
impact, if also Scientists with less access to expensive software can 
also built upon this research results and cite it accordingly...



Think also about the positive feedback from science funding for 
development of open software instead of paying for licenses, researchers 
would pay programmers or companies that offer according programming 
solutions to develop software for their scientific needs and interests. 
The aspect that this open approach adheres also better to the 
understanding of how science works or should work in general, is also an 
important point.



Best regards,
Christian


Am 25.07.2018 um 09:57 schrieb Peter Baumann:


Hi Christian,


while I could not agree more to what you say there is one point to 
disagree with:



On 24.07.2018 18:43, Christian Willmes wrote:


Dear Suchith,

I understand your point, and I also support your views on this, but 
this is from my perspective a too personal/particular issue, as to 
have it as an "OSGeo open letter". Also, because this is more of an 
ICA and not so much an OSGeo issue, I think.


First, I would keep it more general. You address a particular issue 
(UN SDG book published by esri), and also some personal background 
(this should not matter to the addressed subject). I would recommend 
you keep it from being personal and denouncing proprietary GIS 
vendors. If a company plays by the rules of science, there is nothing 
wrong about that company publishing a scientific book. I.e. almost 
all book publishers are commercial companies with interests somehow 
and somewhere.


You need to “attack” scientific “wrong doing” by that particular 
company in conducting the editing and publication of that book. 
Publishing books if done correctly is not wrong, even by a vendor 
with vested interests. But if you witness, for example, that 
submissions using open source GIS solutions are disadvantaged against 
the submissions using products of the proprietary GIS vendor 
publishing the book, that would be the point to raise and attack.


Second, better write about how it should be done to avoid this 
negative “Fake Science” things from happening. Here the idea of Open 
Science and Reproducible Science is key, i.e. the most openness and 
transparency possible. We just need more transparency in science and 
also in the whole process of editing/reviewing and publishing a book. 
And this is where OSGeo can contribute. Basically, real reproducible 
and open science is not possible without open source software. If you 
can’t see how something is implemented, you can not really reproduce 
the results.




No. Open science and open source software are fundamentally different 
things. For example, if you derive stats from some data set via SQL it 
does not matter whether it comes from open-source PostgreSQL or from 
proprietary Oracle. Because the SQL language in its syntax and 
semantics is standardized, and it is assured thereby that both systems 
will deliver the same results

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Geo4All] Draft of Open Letter on the importance to protecting independent peer review frameworks for Scholarly publications of Scientific Associations

[Christian Willmes]

 of 
Christian Willmes 

*Sent:* 24 July 2018 17:43
*To:* geofor...@lists.osgeo.org; OSGeo Discussions
*Subject:* Re: [Geo4All] Draft of Open Letter on the importance to 
protecting independent peer review frameworks for Scholarly 
publications of Scientific Associations


Dear Suchith,

I understand your point, and I also support your views on this, but 
this is from my perspective a too personal/particular issue, as to 
have it as an "OSGeo open letter". Also, because this is more of an 
ICA and not so much an OSGeo issue, I think.


First, I would keep it more general. You address a particular issue 
(UN SDG book published by esri), and also some personal background 
(this should not matter to the addressed subject). I would recommend 
you keep it from being personal and denouncing proprietary GIS 
vendors. If a company plays by the rules of science, there is nothing 
wrong about that company publishing a scientific book. I.e. almost all 
book publishers are commercial companies with interests somehow and 
somewhere.


You need to “attack” scientific “wrong doing” by that particular 
company in conducting the editing and publication of that book. 
Publishing books if done correctly is not wrong, even by a vendor with 
vested interests. But if you witness, for example, that submissions 
using open source GIS solutions are disadvantaged against the 
submissions using products of the proprietary GIS vendor publishing 
the book, that would be the point to raise and attack.


Second, better write about how it should be done to avoid this 
negative “Fake Science” things from happening. Here the idea of Open 
Science and Reproducible Science is key, i.e. the most openness and 
transparency possible. We just need more transparency in science and 
also in the whole process of editing/reviewing and publishing a book. 
And this is where OSGeo can contribute. Basically, real reproducible 
and open science is not possible without open source software. If you 
can’t see how something is implemented, you can not really reproduce 
the results.


Third, if you accuse someone of “Fake Science” please make sure to 
offer evidence about this particular misconduct. If you fail to do so, 
you are creating “fake news” yourself. Sorry, no offense at you 
personally, but I think its not a good idea to publish this letter in 
OSGeo's or GeoForAll's name. At least not with these accusations or 
even notion of "Fake Science" in it.



To be clear, I share your view that it is bad, if esri would publish a 
book written by scientists in the context of a United Nations 
initiative to maybe only advertise its own product, but until any 
misconduct is proven, you can't accuse esri or ICA of "Fake Science".



Best regards,
Christian


Am 24.07.2018 um 11:53 schrieb Suchith Anand:


Dear colleagues,



I have prepared a draft letter with my ideas/suggestions .I am just a 
volunteer and I feel sad thatthat I have to raise this issue through 
an open letter.  But if I remain silent on this , I will be 
indirectly supporting the degrading of  independent peer review 
frameworks  for Scholarly publications of Scientific Associations.



It is the fundamental duty of all Officers of Scientific 
Associations/Organisationsto always take steps to guard and protect 
independent peer review frameworksfor Scholarly publications of 
Scientific Associations. I am hopeful and confident that that they 
all will do this for the future.



I am not a native English speaker, so please help refine thisletter 
correctly. I want us to look at the future not focus on mistakes made 
in past . Some mistakes have been made and I understand that this is 
corrected. We are all human , so we all make mistakes. So let us not 
focus on past mistakes but look at ideas on how we can strengthen the 
independent peer review frameworksfor Scholarly publications of 
Scientific Associations in the future.



The International Cartographic Association (ICA) is my organisation 
for whichI have volunteered for the last 15 years and continuing . I 
have great respect for everyone in this great global community . The 
SDG book is a community effort (not any individual’s book project) . 
I have requested from the start (as soon as I came to know) for 
openness and transparency in decision making for selecting the 
publisher. esp. as this book is on UN SDG . I understand that ICA has 
now corrected the mistake . Everyone makes mistakes and it takes 
courage to acknowledge and correct the mistakes .Compassion and 
forgiveness are important values .I am very grateful that ICA has 
listened to my concerns and rectified this . So I don’t have any 
issues with ICA or any colleagues in ICA. We might have difference in 
opinions on some issues and having free and open discussions is in my 
humble opinion the best way to learn each others perspectives and 
find best solutions to move forward.


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] How to retire membership status?

[Christian Willmes]

I do not think this is about the CoC. It is about if and how a valid 
request by a community member is handled/answered (or not).


This is a matter of transparency and openness on the one side, and 
assumed things like respect, manners, decency, or just civil good 
behavior of holding to a given word/promise.


Marc can for sure just say, I/we do not want to publish the record. If 
there are no valid understandable reasons given for not publishing them, 
even if promised otherwise, OSGeo can say, ok thanks for letting us 
know, and draw their due consequence from this.


Improving the CoC is good, but for this case it does not really matter, 
I think. Everybody can see, that there were unnecessary offense given 
and taken... how could the best CoC in the world help prevent this 
situation?



Am 22.06.2018 um 12:51 schrieb Andrea Aime:
On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 11:51 AM, María Arias de Reyna 
mailto:dela...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I think this email, cited by Sara Safavi, from Marc Vloemans
[1] is just unbelievable and thus unacceptable to this community.

Personally I agree with you that it was an uncomfortable situation
easy to misinterpret. I wasn't comfortable either reading it. (me,
the person, not the board)


Agreed, I was neither.

The thing is, we still have this "assume good intent" clause on
the CoC that makes it kind of useless on the gray area.


I would suggest revising the CoC then, otherwise all the talk about 
supporting diversity is kind of done in vain imho


Cheers
Andrea


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] How to retire membership status?

[Christian Willmes]

I think this email, cited by Sara Safavi, from Marc Vloemans [1] is just 
unbelievable and thus unacceptable to this community.


I demand a public apology by Marc Vloemans for his accusations against 
Sara Safavi and the OSGeo organisation and community. Furthermore, I 
demand the OSGeo board to force LocationTech to publish the finacial 
records as a matter of course. I also suggest to discontinue any 
relationships with LocationTech if there is no public apology for this 
incident.


If we (OSGeo) fail to make it at clear as possible, that mafia-like 
behavior of silencing very valid requests about holding a promise for 
transparency (i.e. a core value of our community), is unacceptable and 
thus will not be accepted by any means. Otherwise THIS will become very 
toxic for OSGeo indeed.



[1] https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/conference_dev/2018-June/004774.html


Am 21.06.2018 um 23:50 schrieb Sara:

Hi Cameron, all,

I was originally trying to avoid any semblance of "stirring up 
trouble", but I think I messed up and need to be clearer.


Earlier in this thread I said:
> It's not a matter of hurtful words, though; it's no longer wanting to be affiliated with a 
community whose members make open threats to my employment. I like & 
need my job too much to continue making myself a target for that.


For the benefit of anyone on discuss@ who is not also on 
conference_dev@, I am referring to the message I replied to here:

https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/conference_dev/2018-June/004774.html

To be excessively clear: after the above exchange, I do not feel safe 
participating further in a community which has *officers* who can 
attempt to threaten my livelihood unchallenged, simply because I 
persisted in asking a question.


As I told Jeff earlier, I'll still be out here "doing the work" but 
the OSGeo community no longer feels like a safe or welcoming place for 
me to do that from.


Cameron said:
> We should do our best to ensure opinions are stated respectfully, and 
encourage forgiveness when we slip up and get a bit passionate.


I'm not sure who you are referring to with this, but please do let me 
know if you mean me.


Regards,
Sara

On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 3:01 PM, Cameron Shorter 
mailto:cameron.shor...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Sara,

+1 to Jeff and Maxi's words of personal support.

We are an effective community when people feel welcomed and
participate. This doesn't happen when people leave, either
silently (as is usually the case), or publicly as you have
suggested here. We should be able to hear people's opinions and
respect their right to say them. We should do our best to ensure
opinions are stated respectfully, and encourage forgiveness when
we slip up and get a bit passionate.

(We say as much in our Code of Conduct).
https://www.osgeo.org/code_of_conduct/


Warm regards, Cameron



On 21/6/18 12:26 am, Jeff McKenna wrote:

Hi Sara,

Although we haven't (yet) shared FOSS4G travels together I
have to say that I truly admire your passion and efforts, and
we share a lot of the same traits (do-ing, asking questions,
diving in, etc.)  I strongly second Maxi's words.  You are a
leader and a big part of the OSGeo community.  Much of what
you have been saying or asking I've been literally taking
notes of how we can improve.  In fact I see you taking on more
of a role and not less.  I am just speaking from the heart and
being open.

I know how the written word can be so hurtful these days (and
I don't want / but yet know that unfortunately my own words
here can be misinterpreted as taking one side versus another),
but I hope this public support shown here can give you renewed
hope and energy for the OSGeo community.

I encourage you to keep being you.

-jeff



On 2018-06-19 2:03 PM, Sara wrote:

Hello community,

Can someone point me at the relevant documentation re:
retiring current membership status? Specifically, related
to Charter membership.

I understand the processes to nominate & add new charter
members but not clear on how current charter members can
retire.

To put it another way: how to edit
https://www.osgeo.org/about/charter-members/

>?

Thanks,
Sara Safavi


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: [OSGeo-Announce] OSGeo UN Committee Educational Challenge

[Christian Willmes]

Thank you very much Andy!

I see this document for the first time... very interesting.

I believe some (most?) of the actual OSGeo Charter Members may also see 
this certificate the first time now? ;-)


Cheers,
Christian


Am 03.04.2018 um 13:51 schrieb Andy Anderson:

Hi, Christian,

The "charter" of OSGeo is its certificate of incorporation:

https://www.osgeo.org/wp-content/uploads/osgeo_certificate.pdf

There is not actually much detail, it's minimal boilerplate for 
establishing a nonprofit corporation. There is much more information 
in its bylaws, including its "Purposes":


https://www.osgeo.org/about/bylaws/

— Andy


*From:* Discuss [discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] on behalf of 
Christian Willmes [c.will...@uni-koeln.de]

*Sent:* Tuesday, April 03, 2018 4:44 AM
*To:* Markus Neteler
*Cc:* OSGeo-discuss
*Subject:* Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: [OSGeo-Announce] OSGeo UN 
Committee Educational Challenge


Dear Markus,

thanks, I know that there is a list of Charter Members, I also know 
about the election process. My question was about "what is the OSGeo 
Charter". E.g. a document, or something intangible, I do not know? My 
point is, if this suddenly becomes a criteria for an evaluation, this 
needs to be well defined.


Best,
Christian


Am 03.04.2018 um 10:32 schrieb Markus Neteler:
Christian Willmes <c.will...@uni-koeln.de 
<mailto:c.will...@uni-koeln.de>> schrieb am Di., 3. Apr. 2018, 10:07:


...

Also, I never saw / read the OSGeo Charter, and I am also not
able to find it via google, may you help me with a link here?

That's unfortunately an open issue:

#2127: List of charter members not yet migrated
https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/2127

Best,
Markus


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: [OSGeo-Announce] OSGeo UN Committee Educational Challenge

[Christian Willmes]

Dear Maria,


thanks, I know and I have absolutely no problem with the UN! I just 
thought they have a multi billion dollar budget, so I they could support 
with some money, but I understand fully your arguments in this regard...



And we met before at ISPRS 2016 in Prague, I had a talk in the OSGeo 
Session you and Helena organized. :-)



Best,

Christian


Am 03.04.2018 um 13:28 schrieb Maria Antonia Brovelli:

Dear Christian
UN Open GIS is a big Initiative, where many are contributing. UN is 
also contributing, obviously. This that you see now is only part of 
the  contribution that OSGeo gives. The greatest contribution is in 
our volunteer time, which overpasses definitely the budget that OSGeo 
is investing. Please consider that all mentors, administrators and 
people of the UN Committee are putting a lot of energy in this 
Initiative, which will create the first official open source solution 
for UN. The Initiative is inclusive, therefore is there are people who 
want to contribute, they are more  than welcome.  As an example, you 
can consider the training effort in QGIS and PostGIS that we offered 
to the Initiative. Many people where voluntarily involved and they 
deserve our estimate.
About Charter Member, this is something related to the life of our 
Community and it is considered as a way of aknowledging people showing 
themselves for their activity at local, regional or global level.
I don't know if this is the best mechanism we can, as Community, 
implement. As a matter of fact, by now, it is what we have chosen. But 
discussion can be opened and, if we find something better, next 
challenges will take into account new modalities.
Thanks for your comments. I'm happy also to know you (we have not 
occasion of meeting each other before). I invite everybody, until we 
have the Charter Member way of including new members, to nominate 
them.  It is vital for our organization to promote and aknowledge the 
activity of our volunteers. And this is a way (or, better, at the 
moment, the official way).

Have a good day!
Maria




Have a good reading:

https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007%2F978-3-319-65633-5.pdf


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*Da:* Christian Willmes <c.will...@uni-koeln.de>
*Inviato:* martedì 3 aprile 2018 10:58:37
*A:* Maria Antonia Brovelli; discuss@lists.osgeo.org
*Oggetto:* Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: [OSGeo-Announce] OSGeo UN 
Committee Educational Challenge


Dear Maria,


thank you for your answers. The first answer makes sense now, even if 
I think the UN could add some money to the prices, if we promote their 
things in our name. But its fine...



The second thing about Charter Members is still not clear. I know the 
membership process for OSGeo, I can claim for my own, that I fulfill 
all the listed criteria for being a member. But I never stood for 
election for Charter membership, because I do not like to ask someone 
for nominating me for an election and then for votes from the 
community to confirm me being a Charter member. This process had and 
has a "funny" taste to me (but this is maybe just my personal 
peculiarity).



Best,
Christian


Am 03.04.2018 um 10:35 schrieb Maria Antonia Brovelli:


Dear Christian

Thanks for your interest; here my answers.

1. Why is this call connected to the UN, if they do not sponsor it?

/Because OSGeo is partner of an Initiative leaded by UN (UN Open GIS 
Initiative, you find the link to the initiative in the call). /



2. And this is a more basic thing about OSGeo itself. The "Criteria 
for evaluation" states as first criteria "Proposer is an OSGeo 
Charter Member".


May I ask how do you came to this criteria? Was it maybe an arbitrary 
decision? Or did thought about this? If you thought about this, I 
would be very interested in your arguments for having this criteria?



/Charter members are "special" members of OSGeo and every year we 
have, as Community, the nomination of the new Charter members./


/They participate to the OSGeo elections (and therefore vote for 
OSGeo governance) and /


/
/

/Promote OSGeo through the use of FOSS4G tools
Register as an OSGeo Member See Getting Started
Take active part in OSGeo Mailing Lists
Hack the OSGeo Wiki
Help build a stronger OSGeo community through interactions with 
academia, businesses and research organizations

Help organize workshops, trainings, conferences related to FOSS4G/
/Find an opportunity/reason to wear an OSGeo T-shirt
Ask good questions and provide answers when possible/
/
/

/(https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_charter_member_page_instruction)/


/Obviously this criteria was thought, exa

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: [OSGeo-Announce] OSGeo UN Committee Educational Challenge

[Christian Willmes]

Dear Maria,


thank you for your answers. The first answer makes sense now, even if I 
think the UN could add some money to the prices, if we promote their 
things in our name. But its fine...



The second thing about Charter Members is still not clear. I know the 
membership process for OSGeo, I can claim for my own, that I fulfill all 
the listed criteria for being a member. But I never stood for election 
for Charter membership, because I do not like to ask someone for 
nominating me for an election and then for votes from the community to 
confirm me being a Charter member. This process had and has a "funny" 
taste to me (but this is maybe just my personal peculiarity).



Best,
Christian


Am 03.04.2018 um 10:35 schrieb Maria Antonia Brovelli:


Dear Christian

Thanks for your interest; here my answers.

1. Why is this call connected to the UN, if they do not sponsor it?

/Because OSGeo is partner of an Initiative leaded by UN (UN Open GIS 
Initiative, you find the link to the initiative in the call). /



2. And this is a more basic thing about OSGeo itself. The "Criteria 
for evaluation" states as first criteria "Proposer is an OSGeo Charter 
Member".


May I ask how do you came to this criteria? Was it maybe an arbitrary 
decision? Or did thought about this? If you thought about this, I 
would be very interested in your arguments for having this criteria?



/Charter members are "special" members of OSGeo and every year we 
have, as Community, the nomination of the new Charter members./


/They participate to the OSGeo elections (and therefore vote for OSGeo 
governance) and /


/
/

/Promote OSGeo through the use of FOSS4G tools
Register as an OSGeo Member See Getting Started
Take active part in OSGeo Mailing Lists
Hack the OSGeo Wiki
Help build a stronger OSGeo community through interactions with 
academia, businesses and research organizations

Help organize workshops, trainings, conferences related to FOSS4G/
/Find an opportunity/reason to wear an OSGeo T-shirt
Ask good questions and provide answers when possible/
/
/

/(https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_charter_member_page_instruction)/


/Obviously this criteria was thought, exactly like the other parts of 
the Call (it has taken a lot of time in thinking and discussing). We 
want to award people with a recognisable role in our community but we 
don't exclude the other people./



For me personally this means, I can not take part in this challenge, 
because I never saw a sense in becoming a charter member of OSGeo. 
Also, I never saw / read the OSGeo Charter, and I am also not able to 
find it via google, may you help me with a link here?



/Here the Membership Process./

/https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Membership_Process . /

/In any case, you can participate to the Challenge, because it is not 
mandatory to be a Charter Member. Being a Charter Member gives you 10 
scores, but everybody is free of participating./



Thank you and best regards,
Christian


Thank to you.

Best regards

Maria



Have a good reading:

https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007%2F978-3-319-65633-5.pdf


**
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*Da:* Discuss <discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org> per conto di Christian 
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*Inviato:* martedì 3 aprile 2018 09:57:34
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*Oggetto:* [OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: [OSGeo-Announce] OSGeo UN Committee 
Educational Challenge


Dear all,

this is a very nice initiative. But I have two remarks/questions about 
this call:


1. Why is this call connected to the UN, if they do not sponsor it?

2. And this is a more basic thing about OSGeo itself. The "Criteria 
for evaluation" states as first criteria "Proposer is an OSGeo Charter 
Member".


May I ask how do you came to this criteria? Was it maybe an arbitrary 
decision? Or did thought about this? If you thought about this, I 
would be very interested in your arguments for having this criteria?


For me personally this means, I can not take part in this challenge, 
because I never saw a sense in becoming a charter member of OSGeo. 
Also, I never saw / read the OSGeo Charter, and I am also not able to 
find it via google, may you help me with a link here?


Thank you and best regards,
Christian



 Weitergeleitete Nachricht 
Betreff:[OSGeo-Announce] OSGeo UN Committee Educational Challenge
Datum:  Mon, 02 Apr 2018 18:25:53 +0200
Von: 	Astrid Emde (OSGeo) <astrid_e...@osgeo.org> 
<mailto:astrid_e...@osgeo.org>

Antwort an: astrid_e...@osgeo.org <mailto:astrid_e...@osgeo.org>
An: 	Announce <annou...@lis

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: [OSGeo-Announce] OSGeo UN Committee Educational Challenge

[Christian Willmes]

Dear Markus,

thanks, I know that there is a list of Charter Members, I also know 
about the election process. My question was about "what is the OSGeo 
Charter". E.g. a document, or something intangible, I do not know? My 
point is, if this suddenly becomes a criteria for an evaluation, this 
needs to be well defined.


Best,
Christian


Am 03.04.2018 um 10:32 schrieb Markus Neteler:
Christian Willmes <c.will...@uni-koeln.de 
<mailto:c.will...@uni-koeln.de>> schrieb am Di., 3. Apr. 2018, 10:07:


...

Also, I never saw / read the OSGeo Charter, and I am also not able
to find it via google, may you help me with a link here?

That's unfortunately an open issue:

#2127: List of charter members not yet migrated
https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/2127

Best,
Markus


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[Christian Willmes]

Dear all,

this is a very nice initiative. But I have two remarks/questions about 
this call:


1. Why is this call connected to the UN, if they do not sponsor it?

2. And this is a more basic thing about OSGeo itself. The "Criteria for 
evaluation" states as first criteria "Proposer is an OSGeo Charter Member".


May I ask how do you came to this criteria? Was it maybe an arbitrary 
decision? Or did thought about this? If you thought about this, I would 
be very interested in your arguments for having this criteria?


For me personally this means, I can not take part in this challenge, 
because I never saw a sense in becoming a charter member of OSGeo. Also, 
I never saw / read the OSGeo Charter, and I am also not able to find it 
via google, may you help me with a link here?


Thank you and best regards,
Christian



 Weitergeleitete Nachricht 
Betreff:[OSGeo-Announce] OSGeo UN Committee Educational Challenge
Datum:  Mon, 02 Apr 2018 18:25:53 +0200
Von:Astrid Emde (OSGeo) 
Antwort an: astrid_e...@osgeo.org
An: Announce 



Link to the OSGeo Foundation News:
https://www.osgeo.org/foundation-news/osgeo-un-committee-educational-challenge/

Proposals for developing open geospatial educational material for three
challenges are invited. Prize money of USD 3,000 for each challenge is
sponsored by OSGeo and Boundless.

The OSGeo UN Committee promotes the development and use of open source
software that meets UN needs and supports the aims of the UN. In the
last few years, the Committee has mainly worked on the UN Open GIS
Initiative (https://www.osgeo.org/initiatives/un-initiative/), a project
  "... to identify and develop an Open Source GIS bundle that meets the
requirements of UN operations, taking full advantage of the expertise of
mission partners (partner nations, technology contributing countries,
international organizations, academia, NGOs, private sector). The
strategic approach shall be developed with best and shared principles,
standards and ownership, in a prioritized manner that addresses
capability gaps and needs without duplicating efforts of other Member
States or entities. The UN Open GIS Initiative strategy shall
collaboratively and cooperatively develop, validate, assess, migrate,
and implement sound technical capabilities with all the appropriate
documentation and training that in the end provides a united effort to
improve the effectiveness and efficiency of utilizing Open Source GIS
around the world." (more details at [1]).

The first two challenges (one of them sponsored by Boundless) are
related to the UN Open GIS Initiative. The third challenge is more
general and relates to the use of high resolution and high quality
global datasets available for environmental, social and economical
analysis everywhere, especially in developing countries. This challenge
is aimed at addressing the current lack of training material for using
such data with open source software in support of UN Sustainable
Development Goals (SDGs).

Winners will be guided by mentors from Boundless [2], the UN Open GIS
Initiative [3] and OSGeo [4] to ensure that the material meets the
requirements of the target audience. Winning material will be included
and distributed in OSGeoLive [5], a freely available and self-contained
bootable DVD, USB thumb drive or Virtual Machine based on Lubuntu,
containing a wide variety of open source geospatial software that can be
tried out without installing anything.


Challenge 1: Spiral 1 of UN - GeoSHAPE platform for data collection

Prize: USD 3,000 sponsored by Boundless

Requirements: This call is for the development of education material
that teaches the user how to apply the GeoSHAPE platform [6] to assist
in a real-life scenario involving a relevant theme in today’s world.
Themes could include humanitarian aid, disaster management, emergency
management, or sustainable development.  The scenario could be an
ongoing, recent, or historical event or could be created for the
purposes of the challenge. If the scenario is created, it should be as
realistic and relevant to today’s challenges as possible and use data
relevant to a geographic location on the earth. The instructional
materials should teach the user how to perform specific workflows
relevant to the scenario.  The proposal should specify:

1. A description of the applied scenario.
2. A list of workflows to be included in the scenario. The list should
be specific enough to highlight how the platform can be used in assist
in the effort. For example, distributed editing could be used to track
and share the location of resources in the field in real-time.
3. A list of the types of relevant datasets to be used with a short
description. The datasets should include freely available and open
geodatasets. Given the nature of the challenge, datasets may need to be
created for the purposes of the scenario.

Target audience: professionals at local, 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Ideas/inputs needed for creating a High impact OSGeo Journal

[Christian Willmes]

Dear Suchith,

thank you for your words, encouragement and initiative.

I thought about your suggestion during the holidays, and I came to the
conclusion that I can't do this job currently.

I think your Idea of working with established Journals is very good. May
I suggest to try to find an (commercial) Open Access publisher to work
with us for the Journal?

I recently witnessed this kind of process at the CAA community. They
established a (somewhat similar) Journal with Ubiquity Press [1].

This would mean, a publisher would take care of the Journal
infrastructure, copy-editing and some help (depending on the publisher)
regarding the peer-review process (at least the technical side of the
process would be facilitated).

On the other side, this would also mean, that there will be Article
Processing Charges (APC) for any future contribution. As far as I know,
you can't get it for less than about 400,- € per article. For most
academics, this fee can be payed through their projects and
institutions. Non-academics could go for crowd-funding the APC (and
maybe also some of the invested work) for a paper about a software or a
project for example?

But, this is just an idea, that could help improve the situation...

And what about the cooperation with ISPRS, that Maria Brovelli put
forward for the FOSS4G academic track? Maybe it would be possible to
cooperate with ISPRS and use their infrastructure for the Journal as well?

Best regards,
Christian


[1] https://journal.caa-international.org/


Am 22.12.2017 um 10:39 schrieb Suchith Anand:
>
> Dear Christian,
>
>
> My thanks and gratitude to Landon Blake, Eli Adamand everyone who
> helped make OSGeo Journal possible. We have some good foundations to
> build upon for the future.
>
>
> Thank you for the information and help on this. You have put some
> excellent ideas that will help us reinvigorating the OSGeo Journal for
> moving ideas and actions forward. 
>
>
> May I request you to  please consider volunteering yourself as the
> chair of the OSGeo Journal committee. I will be also joining the
> committee and also work to invite other colleagues in GeoForAll to
> join this committee. We can bring in the chairs of all FOSS4G Academic
> Committees to join the Editorial Board and Scientific Committee
> members as reviewers etc.
>
>
> We should also proactively negotiate with other GIS  journals to ask
> them to provide full fee waiver for all authors submitting for any
> special issue from FOSS4G Academic Conferences from now.
>
>
> I will from now put the discussions on this through the OSGeo journal
> mail lists. I request all colleagues interested to join this list [1].
> I will be on family holidays from tomorrow for a week and not using
> email , so will come with more ideas in 2018 :-)
>
>
> Best wishes,
>
>
> Suchith
>
>
>
> [1] https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/newsletter 
>
>
>
>
> 
> *From:* Christian Willmes <c.will...@uni-koeln.de>
> *Sent:* 16 December 2017 21:37
> *To:* Suchith Anand; geofor...@lists.osgeo.org;
> discuss@lists.osgeo.org; newslet...@lists.osgeo.org
> *Subject:* Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Ideas/inputs needed for creating a High
> impact OSGeo Journal
>  
>
> Dear Suchith,
>
>
> this is a great initiative, the OSGeo Journal List is
> "newslet...@lists.osgeo.org" <mailto:newslet...@lists.osgeo.org>.
>
>
> I aimed for improving the Journal some year(s) ago, but at this time
> the guys running the journal were not in favor of this ideas.
>
>
> See this thread:
> https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/newsletter/2015-October/001188.html
>
>
> And this one:
> https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/newsletter/2015-November/001205.html
>
>
> (I recommend to also read also the answers to these mails in the
> archives.)
>
>
> Though, the Landon Black (OSGeo Journal Chair at this time) recently
> stepped down.
>
>
> See: https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/newsletter/2017-October/001245.html
>
>
> No one answered his mail until now, so effectively this committee is
> without a Chair currently...
>
>
> The Journal is found here: https://journal.osgeo.org/index.php/journal
> <https://journal.osgeo.org/index.php/journal>
>
>
> And official information is found here: http://www.osgeo.org/journal
> <http://www.osgeo.org/journal>
>
>
> I would support, If you and others would step up to improve the
> current situation.
>
>
> Best regards,
> Christian
>
>
>
>
> Am 15.12.2017 um 14:11 schrieb Suchith Anand:
>>
>> Dear All,
>>
>>
>> Though we have a  OSGeo journal and I thank everyone who worked to
>> make this

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Ideas/inputs needed for creating a High impact OSGeo Journal

[Christian Willmes]

Dear Suchith,


this is a great initiative, the OSGeo Journal List is 
"newslet...@lists.osgeo.org".



I aimed for improving the Journal some year(s) ago, but at this time the 
guys running the journal were not in favor of this ideas.



See this thread: 
https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/newsletter/2015-October/001188.html



And this one: 
https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/newsletter/2015-November/001205.html



(I recommend to also read also the answers to these mails in the archives.)


Though, the Landon Black (OSGeo Journal Chair at this time) recently 
stepped down.



See: https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/newsletter/2017-October/001245.html


No one answered his mail until now, so effectively this committee is 
without a Chair currently...



The Journal is found here: https://journal.osgeo.org/index.php/journal


And official information is found here: http://www.osgeo.org/journal


I would support, If you and others would step up to improve the current 
situation.



Best regards,
Christian




Am 15.12.2017 um 14:11 schrieb Suchith Anand:


Dear All,


Though we have a  OSGeo journal and I thank everyone who worked to 
make this happen, for really making impact , it needs new ideas and 
lot of work to really make it high impact journal. I want to start the 
discussions in the community for ideas for making the OSGeo journal 
a high impact journal that will attract submissions.



I think , timing wise it is good to start planning ideas even if it is 
long term aim. Sharing some lessons learnt from GeoForAll, we 
initially didn’t have webinar platform but we could see its potential 
to spread our message. Initially we relied on external organisations 
for our webinars but as soon as we had a champion (Thank you Rafael)to 
run this for us, we moved to use our own system in place .For our 
newsletters, it was Nikos who lead the initiative and build an 
excellent team to make it happen. So having champions is important.



Similarly, it is now time for us to think ideas of our own high impact 
journal. I have been over a decade volunteering for free as reviewer 
for many GIS journals (like many of our colleagues). I am also 
volunteering for editorial boards of journals. Though I support the 
idea of open access journals , I think it is important the costs of 
publishing in open access journals comes down.I don’t know the answer 
to how to make this possible but I thinkifthere is lot of competition, 
then costs will come down.



Will any one be interested to be Champion for reactivating our OSGeo 
journal and working to create a high impact Open access journal that 
ideally can be free for those publishing. Lot of things need to 
beworked on to make thispossible. The Championsneeds to bring together 
a strong Editorial Board,and maybe have a new name for the journal - 
*International journal for Open Geospatial Science and Applications .***



The Champions should put processes and systems in place . For OSGeo, 
we now have thanks to Charlie and FOSS4G 2017 LOC , we have some basic 
systems that can be use for the review process etc. We have lot of 
good papers submitted every year in the FOSS4GAcademic Tracks (both 
global and regional)who will all benefit but it needs a champion and a 
team to make this possible. I am willing to volunteer as one member 
for the Edition Board for this and review papers for free etc but I am 
unable to lead this because of my focus and work in GeoForAll. So 
anyone is willing tochampion ideas for this, please come forward.



Best wishes,


Suchith


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Ideas/inputs needed for creating a High impact OSGeo Journal

[Christian Willmes]

I am sorry the cited wording below was a mistake, caused from 
uncarefully re-editing the phrase. This sounds not very nice, I just 
wanted to say that Landon Blake stepped down, but not in this wording of 
course...


Best,
Christian


Am 16.12.2017 um 22:37 schrieb Christian Willmes:


Though, the Landon Black (OSGeo Journal Chair at this time) recently 
stepped down.



See: https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/newsletter/2017-October/001245.html



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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Geo4All - Empowering academics and educators globally - requesting colleagues to share Geo4All ideas at Geography Awareness Week

[Christian Willmes]

Brian,


I would second Barends claim, that this can not be considered as open.


For me this looks like the following:


1. Someone claims intellectual property rights on some formalized idea.


2. This someone now promotes and sells this idea for a fee.


Please help me on how this approach can be considered as open? Hint [1], 
[2].



Thanks,

Christian


[1] http://opendefinition.org/

[2] 
https://archive.org/stream/GuerillaOpenAccessManifesto/Goamjuly2008_djvu.txt



Am 16.08.2016 um 21:29 schrieb Brian M Hamlin:


Dear Colleagues -

  I strongly object to this statement..

" ... t this system can NOT be considered OPEN in the usual definition 
and is therefore not something OSGEO shoudl be involved with... "


  There are numerous references to cite here..  details on request

best regards from Berkeley, California

  --Brian M Hamlin   PSC OSGeo-Live, California Chapter

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Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 08:46:38 +
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Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Geo4All - Empowering academics and
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Quote: " The license fee for educational purposes is symbolically EUR 
1,- "


This implies there is also a (higher?) non-educational fee, and also 
means IMHO that this system can NOT be considered OPEN in the usual 
definition and is therefore not something OSGEO shoudl be involved with...


Yours,

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: charter member nomination: Jonas Eberle

[Christian Willmes]

I second the nomination of Jonas.
He is a regular participant and speaker at FOSS4G and FOSSGIS events 
since several years.


Cheers,
Christian

On 14.07.2016 19:35, Vasile Craciunescu wrote:

Forwarding Jonas Eberle nomination by Jachym Cepicky.

Best regards,
Vasile
2016 OSGeo Elections CRO


 Forwarded Message 
Subject: charter member nomination
Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 16:12:18 +
From: Jachym Cepicky 
To: CRO , Jonas Eberle 



Hi,

I would like to nominate

Jonas Eberle

for charter membership of OSGeo

Jonas is actively contributing to PyWPS project, not only by his own
man-power, but also by motivating other people. He is  active in the
field of open source software for geospatial, promoting it not only at
his work, but also at conferences and workshops. He is member of the
PyWPS project steering committee and I believe, he will have valuable
input to some of the topics we, as OSGeo.org, are facing.

Thank you

Jachym
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Adding "wiki" component to osgeo trac ?

[Christian Willmes]

+1

Yes, sounds like a good Idea to give an opportunity for requesting 
features and reporting bugs.



Am 19.05.2016 um 18:18 schrieb Sandro Santilli:

How about adding a "wiki" component to osgeo trac and
give ownership to Christian ?

Would you find that useful, Chris ?
Theoretically you would be automatically assigned the tickets
in that component.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Tales from a Benevolent Dictator

[Christian Willmes]

arguing in pro for science, to claim and use (at least in my view) 
fraudulent/wrong organization for a project, like authoritarian 
hierarchical structures, as (sadly and wrongly) also applied in most 
educational organizations around the world, as a "suitable" governance 
model, is not right.
The current hierarchical organization of the conduct of science is far 
from perfect! It will change and adapt to more open structures and more 
flat hierarchies and may be even go away from this hierarchical titles 
(Dr., PhD, Prof., etc.) crap. Thus any entity (person, group, 
company,..) can apply for research grands (by organizations, 
individuals, governments, companies, ...) and conduct research openly 
and transparent, without the need for a position at a university or 
research center... Please look/research for "Open Science", its already 
under way, nobody can really stop it from happening.


This may be ok or not for you. But this is completely irrelevant in this 
context, because OSGeo is at the very first about the O for open. A 
closed hierarchical authoritarian governance is just the contrary. OSGeo 
should really stick to this principle of open, because it is the essence 
of what it is (from my point of view). In conclusion, if you want to be 
part of OSGeo, you first need to be open.


Best,
Christian

On 15.05.2016 11:15, Peter Baumann wrote:

Hi Sanghee,

according to WIkipedia [1], /*Science*//^[nb 1]
 //is a systematic
enterprise that builds and organizes //knowledge
//in the form of testable
//explanations //and
//predictions //about the
//universe //.//^[nb 2]
 //^[2]
 /

These testable explanations/predictions are tested against the part of
the universe under exploration. Among the many competing explanations
found the one is chosen which (i) best explains facts and (ii) is the
simplest, in that order. Everybody is free to verify/falsify an
explanation at any time.

As a painful history has shown (Giordano Bruno was burnt because he
claimed the Earth being  a ball, rather than a disk; just  little later,
Galileo Galilei was lucky enough to survive; nazis as well as
socialism/communism suppressed scientific insights if they didn't fit
the dogma...many more examples exist) explanations (ie, theories) should
be established with an unbiased mind, and tests _must_ be conducted and
evaluated with an unbiased mind. "Committees on truth" have not really
contributed to scientific progress. This is why Freedom of Science is
essential to human progress on insights "about the universe".
^
-Peter

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science


On 05/15/2016 05:29 AM, Sanghee Shin wrote:

Hi Marco and Peter,

Sorry for my ignorance. However I couldn’t tell the difference between
ancient greek oracle, Bible and modern science. For me, those things
are the same in terms that *The Absolute* should/will be conveyed
through *Imperfect* human however the great virtue/categorical
imperative those are though.

Kind regards,
신상희
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2016. 5. 15., 오전 10:44, Marco Afonso
<mafonso...@gmail.com> 작성:

Hi Marc,

Software quality is not measured by votes, comunity, marketing,
governance models, politics, economical interests, hypes or any other
social science.

Software quality can be measured using comparison tests from a
scientific and independent methods.

Just to say that some positions sound very biased and do not evaluate
software using independent methods.

How do you measure a car quality? By governance models? By
comunities? By marketing or hype? By economic potencial? This all
sounds very wrong.

Cheers

Em 15/05/2016 02:22, "Marc Vloemans" > escreveu:

Peter,

With regard to Rob's comments: I conclude that the various
commentators have repeatedly pointed out that your line of
reasoning is either based on a non-representative and even faulty
sample of experiences/examples (eg Jeroen and Rob) or on the
software's quality and popularity in certain circles (eg Rob)
without clarifying that particular correlation to its project
management.

In scientific terms that means your thesis/argument does not hold
up. By the way, citing sources on quality still does not tell
anything about above correlation, so spare yourself the effort.
And comparing Rasdaman to other OSGeoprojects still makes it an
odd-one-out, which no side-stepping the concerns raised can hide.

Effectively, we seem to be running in circles. But . we are
not: all commentators have been quite inviting, but you 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New Semantic Mediawiki based OSGeo Member Map for the OSGeo Wiki

[Christian Willmes]

Hello,

I edited all the advocates profiles [0] during the last week. To get the 
unstructured informations into the templates, due to the not so fast 
server this was quite time consuming (and very boring too).


I would like to ask for feedback, especially on the formatting of the 
display templates (how the profile data is displayed in the list), what 
could be improved etc.


I don't have a OSGeo_Committer.png icon, to display the new created 
"Committer" skill/experience role in the templates. Who has the original 
templates for these skill/experience icons?


Some people have double entries, which means they have the structured 
data (template) on two wiki pages. I would like to ask them to remove 
one of the two templates by them self.


I also replaced the inclusion of User profiles on the Board Member 
Profiles Page [1] with a query generated list, map and table of board 
members, because that page inclusion was causing additional entries in 
the lists generated from the query.


And FYI: Because of a spam problem on the wiki, we (SAC list) decided to 
disable account creation for now (until we have a solution for this).


Cheers,
Christian

[0] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Advocate
[1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Member_Profiles

Am 30.11.2015 um 22:31 schrieb Christian Willmes:

I am now about half way through the Advocates profiles.

If you look at the Advocate Page [1], all profiles above 
"Europe:Netherlands" are now "on the map", or have some structured 
data to appear in the query result.


I added just data that was available from the user: pages, and if no 
coordinates were available I gecoded the address or just city center. 
Please check and correct my possible copy errors on your profile.


I would not mind if some of you would care to structure their user 
data by them self. ;)
But Ok, I did not really documented it yet, so I will proceed tomorrow 
evening (CET) with the next profiles...


@Cameron: I adjusted the zoom level for the maps according your comment.

Christian

[1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Advocate

On 30.11.2015 20:47, Cameron Shorter wrote:

Hi Christian,
Thanks for all you are doing, and for updating profiles. I think I might
have caught you mid update, because there are a number of profiles which
seem to be half converted.

For the record, I've reviewed many people's profiles, (typically
correcting English, or trimming to fit within the template formula).
After notifying people of the updates I made, I haven't received any
complaints, and have received many thanks. So I think you are reasonably
safe in helping everyone as you are doing.

One comment on the map.
I notice that the zoom level is set to about a city zoom level. I
suggest it would be better to zoom to a world level, or maybe 1/4 of a
world.

The main readers of this page will be looking for "Who is living near my
conference", and it is easier to recognise a world view rather than a
city view.

Thanks Cameron

On 30/11/2015 11:15 pm, Christian Willmes wrote:

OK, I will do this changes now.
You will probably get email notifications of changes to your profiles.
Just revert them, if you don't like the changes.

Cheers,
Christian

Am 30.11.2015 um 11:11 schrieb Christian Willmes:

Hello,

just to explain this a bit more.

Here [1], I included the Advocate Table, Map and new directory list,
generated from querying the strucutred data. You can see, that the
current Advocate Page messes up the SMW structured data. Because I
configured the model that SMW handles one page containing
[[Category:OSGeo Advocate]] as one OSGeo Advocate entity.

Currently the Advocate Directory [2] includes the data (markup) from
the included User: profiles, that are containing coordinates,
addresses, email, etc..

If it is ok, I will remove the '[[Category:OSGeo Advocate]]' string
from the current Advocate directory page [2]. This will clean the
current mess in the SMW generated lists/tables/maps.

Thanks,
Christian

[1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Usermap-develop
[2] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Advocate

Am 29.11.2015 um 21:06 schrieb Christian Willmes:

Hello,

I implemented most of the feedback. Some issues are still open [0],
I will take care of them soon.

To roll the Advocate list out, I need to remove the User page
includes from the current Advocate directory [1], and each
Advocate's User: page needs to be edited, with the following two 
steps:


1. Include  '[[Category:OSGeo Advocate]]' on the User: page

2. Edit the User: page with this [2] Form and enter the according
structured data. (got to the link enter 'User:' into
the input box and click on 'create or edit'.)

I can do this... but maybe people are sensitive about their own
territory (i.e. their own user: page) in the wiki, so I was unsure
about that?

Next, the User: page includes ({{User:}}) on the Advocate
directory [1] need to be removed, and replaced by the new directory,
table and map from S

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New Semantic Mediawiki based OSGeo Member Map for the OSGeo Wiki

[Christian Willmes]

I am now about half way through the Advocates profiles.

If you look at the Advocate Page [1], all profiles above 
"Europe:Netherlands" are now "on the map", or have some structured data 
to appear in the query result.


I added just data that was available from the user: pages, and if no 
coordinates were available I gecoded the address or just city center. 
Please check and correct my possible copy errors on your profile.


I would not mind if some of you would care to structure their user data 
by them self. ;)
But Ok, I did not really documented it yet, so I will proceed tomorrow 
evening (CET) with the next profiles...


@Cameron: I adjusted the zoom level for the maps according your comment.

Christian

[1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Advocate

On 30.11.2015 20:47, Cameron Shorter wrote:

Hi Christian,
Thanks for all you are doing, and for updating profiles. I think I might
have caught you mid update, because there are a number of profiles which
seem to be half converted.

For the record, I've reviewed many people's profiles, (typically
correcting English, or trimming to fit within the template formula).
After notifying people of the updates I made, I haven't received any
complaints, and have received many thanks. So I think you are reasonably
safe in helping everyone as you are doing.

One comment on the map.
I notice that the zoom level is set to about a city zoom level. I
suggest it would be better to zoom to a world level, or maybe 1/4 of a
world.

The main readers of this page will be looking for "Who is living near my
conference", and it is easier to recognise a world view rather than a
city view.

Thanks Cameron

On 30/11/2015 11:15 pm, Christian Willmes wrote:

OK, I will do this changes now.
You will probably get email notifications of changes to your profiles.
Just revert them, if you don't like the changes.

Cheers,
Christian

Am 30.11.2015 um 11:11 schrieb Christian Willmes:

Hello,

just to explain this a bit more.

Here [1], I included the Advocate Table, Map and new directory list,
generated from querying the strucutred data. You can see, that the
current Advocate Page messes up the SMW structured data. Because I
configured the model that SMW handles one page containing
[[Category:OSGeo Advocate]] as one OSGeo Advocate entity.

Currently the Advocate Directory [2] includes the data (markup) from
the included User: profiles, that are containing coordinates,
addresses, email, etc..

If it is ok, I will remove the '[[Category:OSGeo Advocate]]' string
from the current Advocate directory page [2]. This will clean the
current mess in the SMW generated lists/tables/maps.

Thanks,
Christian

[1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Usermap-develop
[2] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Advocate

Am 29.11.2015 um 21:06 schrieb Christian Willmes:

Hello,

I implemented most of the feedback. Some issues are still open [0],
I will take care of them soon.

To roll the Advocate list out, I need to remove the User page
includes from the current Advocate directory [1], and each
Advocate's User: page needs to be edited, with the following two steps:

1. Include  '[[Category:OSGeo Advocate]]' on the User: page

2. Edit the User: page with this [2] Form and enter the according
structured data. (got to the link enter 'User:' into
the input box and click on 'create or edit'.)

I can do this... but maybe people are sensitive about their own
territory (i.e. their own user: page) in the wiki, so I was unsure
about that?

Next, the User: page includes ({{User:}}) on the Advocate
directory [1] need to be removed, and replaced by the new directory,
table and map from SMW query.

See here [3] and here [4] how these directory, table and map look
like on the test wiki (if you look at the markup/source you can see
how the list, table and maps are included.).

Please also provide further feedback, on things like layout and
additional features etc. You can tell me directly, or file an issue
on the github repository [0].

Cheers,
Christian

[0] https://github.com/cwillmes/OSGeoWiki/issues
[1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Advocate
[2] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Form:OSGeo_Member
[3] http://wiki.cwillmes.de/index.php/Advocate_List
[4] http://wiki.cwillmes.de/index.php/Category:OSGeo_Advocate

On 25.11.2015 23:18, Christian Willmes wrote:

Thank you for your very good Feedback Cameron and Jorge!

I created your feedback points as issues for the OSGeo Wiki SMW model
repository [1]. So you can track the progress, some of them are a bit
tricky, I think I will need some days. I plan to add the changes
during
the coming weekend into the OSGeo wiki.

Some answers to questions or feedback, I did not implemented
already or
created an issue on github for, are inline below.

On 25.11.2015 12:05, Cameron Shorter wrote:

I wasn't able to test entering data on the page. (I assume the wiki
hasn't been set up for that).


Yes account creation is disabled, if you want an account for testing I
can set o

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New Semantic Mediawiki based OSGeo Member Map for the OSGeo Wiki

[Christian Willmes]

Hello,

just to explain this a bit more.

Here [1], I included the Advocate Table, Map and new directory list, 
generated from querying the strucutred data. You can see, that the 
current Advocate Page messes up the SMW structured data. Because I 
configured the model that SMW handles one page containing 
[[Category:OSGeo Advocate]] as one OSGeo Advocate entity.


Currently the Advocate Directory [2] includes the data (markup) from the 
included User: profiles, that are containing coordinates, addresses, 
email, etc..


If it is ok, I will remove the '[[Category:OSGeo Advocate]]' string from 
the current Advocate directory page [2]. This will clean the current 
mess in the SMW generated lists/tables/maps.


Thanks,
Christian

[1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Usermap-develop
[2] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Advocate

Am 29.11.2015 um 21:06 schrieb Christian Willmes:

Hello,

I implemented most of the feedback. Some issues are still open [0], I 
will take care of them soon.


To roll the Advocate list out, I need to remove the User page includes 
from the current Advocate directory [1], and each Advocate's User: 
page needs to be edited, with the following two steps:


1. Include  '[[Category:OSGeo Advocate]]' on the User: page

2. Edit the User: page with this [2] Form and enter the according 
structured data. (got to the link enter 'User:' into 
the input box and click on 'create or edit'.)


I can do this... but maybe people are sensitive about their own 
territory (i.e. their own user: page) in the wiki, so I was unsure 
about that?


Next, the User: page includes ({{User:}}) on the Advocate 
directory [1] need to be removed, and replaced by the new directory, 
table and map from SMW query.


See here [3] and here [4] how these directory, table and map look like 
on the test wiki (if you look at the markup/source you can see how the 
list, table and maps are included.).


Please also provide further feedback, on things like layout and 
additional features etc. You can tell me directly, or file an issue on 
the github repository [0].


Cheers,
Christian

[0] https://github.com/cwillmes/OSGeoWiki/issues
[1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Advocate
[2] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Form:OSGeo_Member
[3] http://wiki.cwillmes.de/index.php/Advocate_List
[4] http://wiki.cwillmes.de/index.php/Category:OSGeo_Advocate

On 25.11.2015 23:18, Christian Willmes wrote:

Thank you for your very good Feedback Cameron and Jorge!

I created your feedback points as issues for the OSGeo Wiki SMW model
repository [1]. So you can track the progress, some of them are a bit
tricky, I think I will need some days. I plan to add the changes during
the coming weekend into the OSGeo wiki.

Some answers to questions or feedback, I did not implemented already or
created an issue on github for, are inline below.

On 25.11.2015 12:05, Cameron Shorter wrote:

I wasn't able to test entering data on the page. (I assume the wiki
hasn't been set up for that).


Yes account creation is disabled, if you want an account for testing I
can set one up and send the credentials of list.



We should be careful about helping people protect their personal 
privacy.
Re address, I'd err on not collecting Street address, probably just 
City

and Country.


The field is optional. Maybe someone want to give the address of his
work place?

Is it possible to apply address validation to check for spelling 
errors?



Interesting, but I don't know any implementation for this problem for
Mediawiki.


On 25/11/2015 8:21 am, Jorge Sanz wrote:


And I guess the last update info can be retrieved directly from the
history of the page if needed.


This one is quite tricky, because I have to find out how to trigger an
update of the members data from a users (unrelated) activity on the
wiki. It should be possible dynamically through the API, but I'm not
100% sure yet on how to do it.

Cheers,
Christian

[1] https://github.com/cwillmes/OSGeoWiki/issues
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New Semantic Mediawiki based OSGeo Member Map for the OSGeo Wiki

[Christian Willmes]

OK, I will do this changes now.
You will probably get email notifications of changes to your profiles.
Just revert them, if you don't like the changes.

Cheers,
Christian

Am 30.11.2015 um 11:11 schrieb Christian Willmes:

Hello,

just to explain this a bit more.

Here [1], I included the Advocate Table, Map and new directory list, 
generated from querying the strucutred data. You can see, that the 
current Advocate Page messes up the SMW structured data. Because I 
configured the model that SMW handles one page containing 
[[Category:OSGeo Advocate]] as one OSGeo Advocate entity.


Currently the Advocate Directory [2] includes the data (markup) from 
the included User: profiles, that are containing coordinates, 
addresses, email, etc..


If it is ok, I will remove the '[[Category:OSGeo Advocate]]' string 
from the current Advocate directory page [2]. This will clean the 
current mess in the SMW generated lists/tables/maps.


Thanks,
Christian

[1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Usermap-develop
[2] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Advocate

Am 29.11.2015 um 21:06 schrieb Christian Willmes:

Hello,

I implemented most of the feedback. Some issues are still open [0], I 
will take care of them soon.


To roll the Advocate list out, I need to remove the User page 
includes from the current Advocate directory [1], and each Advocate's 
User: page needs to be edited, with the following two steps:


1. Include  '[[Category:OSGeo Advocate]]' on the User: page

2. Edit the User: page with this [2] Form and enter the according 
structured data. (got to the link enter 'User:' into 
the input box and click on 'create or edit'.)


I can do this... but maybe people are sensitive about their own 
territory (i.e. their own user: page) in the wiki, so I was unsure 
about that?


Next, the User: page includes ({{User:}}) on the Advocate 
directory [1] need to be removed, and replaced by the new directory, 
table and map from SMW query.


See here [3] and here [4] how these directory, table and map look 
like on the test wiki (if you look at the markup/source you can see 
how the list, table and maps are included.).


Please also provide further feedback, on things like layout and 
additional features etc. You can tell me directly, or file an issue 
on the github repository [0].


Cheers,
Christian

[0] https://github.com/cwillmes/OSGeoWiki/issues
[1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Advocate
[2] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Form:OSGeo_Member
[3] http://wiki.cwillmes.de/index.php/Advocate_List
[4] http://wiki.cwillmes.de/index.php/Category:OSGeo_Advocate

On 25.11.2015 23:18, Christian Willmes wrote:

Thank you for your very good Feedback Cameron and Jorge!

I created your feedback points as issues for the OSGeo Wiki SMW model
repository [1]. So you can track the progress, some of them are a bit
tricky, I think I will need some days. I plan to add the changes during
the coming weekend into the OSGeo wiki.

Some answers to questions or feedback, I did not implemented already or
created an issue on github for, are inline below.

On 25.11.2015 12:05, Cameron Shorter wrote:

I wasn't able to test entering data on the page. (I assume the wiki
hasn't been set up for that).


Yes account creation is disabled, if you want an account for testing I
can set one up and send the credentials of list.



We should be careful about helping people protect their personal 
privacy.
Re address, I'd err on not collecting Street address, probably just 
City

and Country.


The field is optional. Maybe someone want to give the address of his
work place?

Is it possible to apply address validation to check for spelling 
errors?



Interesting, but I don't know any implementation for this problem for
Mediawiki.


On 25/11/2015 8:21 am, Jorge Sanz wrote:


And I guess the last update info can be retrieved directly from the
history of the page if needed.


This one is quite tricky, because I have to find out how to trigger an
update of the members data from a users (unrelated) activity on the
wiki. It should be possible dynamically through the API, but I'm not
100% sure yet on how to do it.

Cheers,
Christian

[1] https://github.com/cwillmes/OSGeoWiki/issues
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[Christian Willmes]

Hello,

I implemented most of the feedback. Some issues are still open [0], I 
will take care of them soon.


To roll the Advocate list out, I need to remove the User page includes 
from the current Advocate directory [1], and each Advocate's User: page 
needs to be edited, with the following two steps:


1. Include  '[[Category:OSGeo Advocate]]' on the User: page

2. Edit the User: page with this [2] Form and enter the according 
structured data. (got to the link enter 'User:' into the 
input box and click on 'create or edit'.)


I can do this... but maybe people are sensitive about their own 
territory (i.e. their own user: page) in the wiki, so I was unsure about 
that?


Next, the User: page includes ({{User:}}) on the Advocate 
directory [1] need to be removed, and replaced by the new directory, 
table and map from SMW query.


See here [3] and here [4] how these directory, table and map look like 
on the test wiki (if you look at the markup/source you can see how the 
list, table and maps are included.).


Please also provide further feedback, on things like layout and 
additional features etc. You can tell me directly, or file an issue on 
the github repository [0].


Cheers,
Christian

[0] https://github.com/cwillmes/OSGeoWiki/issues
[1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Advocate
[2] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Form:OSGeo_Member
[3] http://wiki.cwillmes.de/index.php/Advocate_List
[4] http://wiki.cwillmes.de/index.php/Category:OSGeo_Advocate

On 25.11.2015 23:18, Christian Willmes wrote:

Thank you for your very good Feedback Cameron and Jorge!

I created your feedback points as issues for the OSGeo Wiki SMW model
repository [1]. So you can track the progress, some of them are a bit
tricky, I think I will need some days. I plan to add the changes during
the coming weekend into the OSGeo wiki.

Some answers to questions or feedback, I did not implemented already or
created an issue on github for, are inline below.

On 25.11.2015 12:05, Cameron Shorter wrote:

I wasn't able to test entering data on the page. (I assume the wiki
hasn't been set up for that).


Yes account creation is disabled, if you want an account for testing I
can set one up and send the credentials of list.



We should be careful about helping people protect their personal privacy.
Re address, I'd err on not collecting Street address, probably just City
and Country.


The field is optional. Maybe someone want to give the address of his
work place?


Is it possible to apply address validation to check for spelling errors?


Interesting, but I don't know any implementation for this problem for
Mediawiki.


On 25/11/2015 8:21 am, Jorge Sanz wrote:


And I guess the last update info can be retrieved directly from the
history of the page if needed.


This one is quite tricky, because I have to find out how to trigger an
update of the members data from a users (unrelated) activity on the
wiki. It should be possible dynamically through the API, but I'm not
100% sure yet on how to do it.

Cheers,
Christian

[1] https://github.com/cwillmes/OSGeoWiki/issues
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New Semantic Mediawiki based OSGeo Member Map for the OSGeo Wiki

[Christian Willmes]

Thank you for your very good Feedback Cameron and Jorge!

I created your feedback points as issues for the OSGeo Wiki SMW model 
repository [1]. So you can track the progress, some of them are a bit 
tricky, I think I will need some days. I plan to add the changes during 
the coming weekend into the OSGeo wiki.


Some answers to questions or feedback, I did not implemented already or 
created an issue on github for, are inline below.


On 25.11.2015 12:05, Cameron Shorter wrote:

I wasn't able to test entering data on the page. (I assume the wiki
hasn't been set up for that).

Yes account creation is disabled, if you want an account for testing I 
can set one up and send the credentials of list.




We should be careful about helping people protect their personal privacy.
Re address, I'd err on not collecting Street address, probably just City
and Country.


The field is optional. Maybe someone want to give the address of his 
work place?



Is it possible to apply address validation to check for spelling errors?

Interesting, but I don't know any implementation for this problem for 
Mediawiki.



On 25/11/2015 8:21 am, Jorge Sanz wrote:


And I guess the last update info can be retrieved directly from the
history of the page if needed.

This one is quite tricky, because I have to find out how to trigger an 
update of the members data from a users (unrelated) activity on the 
wiki. It should be possible dynamically through the API, but I'm not 
100% sure yet on how to do it.


Cheers,
Christian

[1] https://github.com/cwillmes/OSGeoWiki/issues
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New Semantic Mediawiki based OSGeo Member Map for the OSGeo Wiki

[Christian Willmes]

Hello,

I implemented a first version of the OSGeo Advocates list based on SMW 
structured data in my testing wiki [1].


Please have a look and provide feedback about what is missing, or what 
should be changed.


Additionally an Advocate map and a sortable table, for example (more 
result formats available), are also possible to create from the data [2].


These lists/maps/tables are created from SMW data, that every user 
enters via a Form [3] (or template) into the wiki. The best place to 
enter data about one self, is the User: page.


Cheers,
Christian

[1] http://wiki.cwillmes.de/index.php/Advocate_List
[2] http://wiki.cwillmes.de/index.php/Category:OSGeo_Advocate
[3] http://wiki.cwillmes.de/index.php/Special:FormEdit/OSGeo_Member/test

On 22.11.2015 16:41, Christian Willmes wrote:

Hi Cameron,

On 20.11.2015 20:54, Cameron Shorter wrote:

Hi Christian,
This member map is great. One of the limitations I've noted with the
OSGeo Advocacy page [1] with that it included your old map, but wasn't
able to be updated.


Thank you. As I see now, this was related to a PHP related insufficient
memory allocation problem on the server, that is now fixed.


With the ability to now collect and display structured data, I'd suggest
that it would be worth re-visiting our OSGeo Advocacy page, and moving
the current free text descriptions of people into structured data, would
could then be aggregated into different portals, as you suggest.

How would you suggest we approach this?
OSGeo Advocates for the most part have entered structured data about
themselves, based on the guidelines provided, which is reasonably
consistent.


I will come up with a SMW based schema for the OSGeo Advocates according
to the structured data given in the current table, this coming week, so
the Advocate table/list (and also a map) can be generated from each
advocate including the according data on his/her User: page.

Regards,
Christian



[1] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Advocate
(This page seems to be down, throwing a 500 error. Might be due to new
wiki not able to use page include statements correctly)

On 21/11/2015 3:52 am, Christian Willmes wrote:

Dear all,

finally we have a replacement for the old userMap that would not work
with the new Mediawiki version of the OSGeo wiki.

See: https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Category:OSGeo_Member

I managed to save the locations from those who provided them for the
old userMap.

See the documentation, for how to add yourself to the map:
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Category:OSGeo_Member

And also do not hesitate to ask me directly for help if anything is
unclear or not working as expected.

Thanks are due to Martin Spott (SAC) for his support during the
installation on the wiki server!

I also wrote a blog post including some detail about the new OSGeo
Member Map implementation:

http://cwillmes.de/blog/2015/11/20/new-semanticmediawiki-based-osgeo-member-map/



Cheers,
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New Semantic Mediawiki based OSGeo Member Map for the OSGeo Wiki

[Christian Willmes]

Hi Cameron,

On 20.11.2015 20:54, Cameron Shorter wrote:

Hi Christian,
This member map is great. One of the limitations I've noted with the
OSGeo Advocacy page [1] with that it included your old map, but wasn't
able to be updated.

Thank you. As I see now, this was related to a PHP related insufficient 
memory allocation problem on the server, that is now fixed.



With the ability to now collect and display structured data, I'd suggest
that it would be worth re-visiting our OSGeo Advocacy page, and moving
the current free text descriptions of people into structured data, would
could then be aggregated into different portals, as you suggest.

How would you suggest we approach this?
OSGeo Advocates for the most part have entered structured data about
themselves, based on the guidelines provided, which is reasonably
consistent.


I will come up with a SMW based schema for the OSGeo Advocates according 
to the structured data given in the current table, this coming week, so 
the Advocate table/list (and also a map) can be generated from each 
advocate including the according data on his/her User: page.


Regards,
Christian



[1] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Advocate
(This page seems to be down, throwing a 500 error. Might be due to new
wiki not able to use page include statements correctly)

On 21/11/2015 3:52 am, Christian Willmes wrote:

Dear all,

finally we have a replacement for the old userMap that would not work
with the new Mediawiki version of the OSGeo wiki.

See: https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Category:OSGeo_Member

I managed to save the locations from those who provided them for the
old userMap.

See the documentation, for how to add yourself to the map:
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Category:OSGeo_Member

And also do not hesitate to ask me directly for help if anything is
unclear or not working as expected.

Thanks are due to Martin Spott (SAC) for his support during the
installation on the wiki server!

I also wrote a blog post including some detail about the new OSGeo
Member Map implementation:

http://cwillmes.de/blog/2015/11/20/new-semanticmediawiki-based-osgeo-member-map/


Cheers,
Christian




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[Christian Willmes]

Dear all,

finally we have a replacement for the old userMap that would not work 
with the new Mediawiki version of the OSGeo wiki.


See: https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Category:OSGeo_Member

I managed to save the locations from those who provided them for the old 
userMap.


See the documentation, for how to add yourself to the map: 
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Category:OSGeo_Member


And also do not hesitate to ask me directly for help if anything is 
unclear or not working as expected.


Thanks are due to Martin Spott (SAC) for his support during the 
installation on the wiki server!


I also wrote a blog post including some detail about the new OSGeo 
Member Map implementation:


http://cwillmes.de/blog/2015/11/20/new-semanticmediawiki-based-osgeo-member-map/

Cheers,
Christian

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] How to make a map on a CD

[Christian Willmes]

Hello Leith,

I did not used this software yet, so I do not know if it is good, but 
maybe Geopublisher would match your needs?


- http://en.geopublishing.org/

From the Website:
 The Geopublisher 1.4 
http://en.geopublishing.org/Geopublisher software allows the creation 
and publication of multimedia atlases. It has been developed for users 
like scientists, consultants and institutions that want to communicate 
their research results to the general public. The primary aim is to 
deliver a software that reduces the technical obstacles in publishing 
geo-data to a minimum. Your final product will be a user-friendly atlas 
which can easily be used by people who are not familiar with GIS 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geographic_information_system.


best regards,
Christian

Leith Bade schrieb:

Hi,

I am new to GIS.

I would like to make a vector map that can be burned onto a CD then 
viewed just by running a program on it which copies the map data and a 
simple viewer. The dataset is very large (all of New Zealand) so the 
viewer needs to be effcient, and I have all the data in shapefiles.


What would be the best way to do this?

I see that MapWindow lets you build a custom viewer application around 
its map viewer, but it would only work on Windows.
Another idea I have is to make some sort of portable web server that 
runs GeoServer or MapServer.


Otherwise I could start developing my own custom map viewer that uses 
OpenGL/Direct3D/Direct2D or something to make the render fast with 
smooth scrolling etc.
This would allow me to develop a data format that is faster for 
rendering than shapefiles.


Similar commercial products 
are http://www.maptoaster.com/maptoaster-topo-nz/topographical.html or http://memory-map.com.au/products/maps/topo-nz-std.html


Thanks,
Leith Bade
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source Viewer for 3D Maps

[Christian Willmes]

Hi Landon,

If you just want to share a visualization of some 3D model you maybe 
can go with 3D-PDF (see example [1]). There is an opensource toolchain 
using meshlab [2] and LaTEX to compile those 3D PDFs from 3D models 
(from all formats which you can load into meshlab).


If you want to share 3D geometries, there is for example KML and 
GML/CityGML as a format for more complex models. For those model you 
need a viewer or some sort of client which procecsses the information 
suitable for you, there are several out there for KML you would most 
probably choose Google Earth for viewing. For CityGML, ok here it is 
expensive or not that easy with OS or free software (for now), so it is 
not suitable for just showing some people who are not familar with that 
kind of technology, but in CityGML there are some OS applications out 
there (for example the deegree framework[3]) you can store all kind of 
information, which you can't with KML... So, you have to know what you 
want to do/provide with/from the data...


There are also more sophisticated possibilities to share 3D GISdata over 
the web. One of those possibilities would be for example the open 
standards based technology of GDI3D [4].


best regards,
Christian

[1] 
http://www.epromod.de/images/stories/-bilder-/showroom/3d-pdf/hohe-munde-3d.pdf

[2] http://meshlab.sourceforge.net/
[3] http://www.deegree.org/
[4] http://www.geographie.uni-bonn.de/karto/gdi-3d/technologie.en.htm

Am 29.03.2010 22:20, schrieb Landon Blake:

I'm curious if anyone knows of a decent open source viewer for 3D maps.
Does such a viewer exist? How widespread is its adoption?



I know that Adobe PDF has become a fairly common way to share 2D maps
digitally, but I didn't see a lot on the web about a PDF solution for 3D
maps. If you build 3D maps and models as part of your work, how do you
share them with your clients and the wider public?



Thank you for your thoughts.



Landon



P.S. - Here are a couple of links I ran across for what appear to be
open file formats for 3D models. I'm not sure how applicable they would
be to 3D maps:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COLLADA

http://www.web3d.org/about/overview







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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Webcasts of OSGIS 2009

[Christian Willmes]

Yeah, I investigated a littlebit futher with firebug yesterday. :-)

The Problem is this function 'mediaCreate' in media.js.
It first checks this:

function mediaPlayerIsWindowsMedia()
10{
11 if(platformIsWindows()  browserIsIE())
12 return true;
13 if(platformIsWindows()  browserIsFireFox())
14 return true;
15 return false;
16}

else it goes for Mac environment and stes video/quicktime.
So, it just checks if the user is on an Windows environment or on a Mac.
If not, it prints the error message.
But firefox normaly can handle the application/x-ms-wmp with the
Windows-Media_plugIn for example.
Solution would be to not print the error-message, but instead set as
default to application/x-ms-wmp. So it would work at least under
Firefox in Linux environments.

regars,
Christian


Chris Puttick schrieb:
 Is odd, Qumu is apparently cross-platform (or at least can be).

 Chris

 - Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) tmitch...@osgeo.org wrote:

   
 Awesome thanks - that's quite the good sleuthing :)

 Christian Willmes wrote:
 
 Hi,

 Thanks to a WinXP VM, I got out the URLs of the video streams. :-)
   
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Webcasts of OSGIS 2009

[Christian Willmes]

Hi,

Thanks to a WinXP VM, I got out the URLs of the video streams. :-)

They are as follows:
OSGIS 2009 Introduction:
http://uiwapmds01.nottingham.ac.uk:8000/ondemand/Events09/90ebea4940bf4a868de6d6bbda/video1.wmv

Conference Welcome
http://uiwapmds01.nottingham.ac.uk/qcsplace/ondemand/events09/65905b4efbaa8b5e2951dfdfa8/video1.wmv

Ordnance Survey and its Open Source developments
http://uiwapmds01.nottingham.ac.uk/qcsplace/ondemand/events09/d796104b47a15e0385799bdd3e/video1.wmv

and so on...
The trick is, it is the URL of the PopUp Window (opened after clicking
the 'Launch' button), but substitude 'player.HTM' by 'video1.wmv'.

The video stream can be played for example with Kaffeine (at least on my
Ubuntu Jaunty Box).

regards,
Christian


Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) schrieb:
  We are pleased to make available the webcasts of presentations (Stream
  1) of The First Open Source GIS UK Conference at Centre for Geospatial
  Science  at http://www.opensourcegis.org.uk/for the benefit of the
  wider GIS community.

 Great to hear Suchith!

 If anyone finds a way to play these on Linux, I'm sure a few of us
 would be interested.

 Tyler

 Suchith Anand wrote:
 Dear All,


 The key aims of OSGIS conference series is to:

 *act as a focus for open source GIS research
 *to provide platform to network and develop ideas for future
 collaborative work in open source GIS
 *to hear presentations from government, academic, industry and
 policy makers on open source geospatial technologies
 *to understand current developments in open source GIS


 We also congratulate the winners of  the Open Source GIS UK Conference
 Awards 2009.
 CGS Best Presentation winner for OSGIS 2009 is

 Mapping Future Climate : A Case Study for the Deployment of the Open
 Source Geo-stack in Scalable Web-based Applications Philip James,
 Simon Abele, David Alderson,Stephen Pascoe, Ag Stephens Newcastle
 University, and British Atmospheric Data Centre, Rutherford
 Labs, UK
 CGS Best Presentation runner up prize for OSGIS 2009 SEXTANTE - The
 free geoprocessing library Victor Olaya, University of Extremadura,
 Caceres, Spain
 CGS Best Presentation runner up prize for OSGIS 2009
 An introduction to Mapwindow Dr Daniel Ames, Idaho State University, USA


 The Wiley BlackWell prizes for best full paper prizes are awarded to the
 following papers

 Development of Sensor Web Applications with Open Source Software Arne
 Broring,Eike Hinderk Jurrens, and Simon Jirka from 52  North and
 Christoph Stasch from the Institute for Geoinformatics, University of
 Muenster.

 The SDIlight OSGEO stack at ITC Barend Kobben, Rob Lemmens, Javier
 Morales, Rolf de By, Theodor Foerster

 International Institute for Geo-Information Science and Earth
 Observation (ITC),Enschede, The Netherlands.

 Visualising Alternative Futures using Open Source technologies
 William Cartwright , RMIT University, Australia

 Congratulations to all winners... Well Done...

 Once again we thank the GIS Community for the fantastic support provided
 to us on this initiative and we look forward to your active
 participation for OSGIS 2010. Please email me if you or your
 organisation are interested in being involved in OSGIS Conference
 Series.

 Best wishes,

 Suchith Anand

 Dr Suchith Anand
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Usermap

[Christian Willmes]

Thanks Bob,

that $wgLogo is just the default mediawiki Logo, it says how to replace
it with your own picture in the mediawiki settings.
I was just to lazy to set up a own logo, because that wiki is (for now)
just for testing. ;-)

regards,
Christian

Bruce, Bob (CON) schrieb:
 Hi Christian:
   I have found it to be a nice easy interface to
 use. This significantly improves the usermap. However, I am curious
 about the message at the top left of the page about $wgLogo - is this
 meant to be there and if so, how do we use it?

   Bob Bruce

 -Original Message-
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 [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Christian Willmes
 Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 1:37 PM
 To: discuss@lists.osgeo.org  OSGeo Discussions
 Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Usermap

 Hello,

 I improved the usermap over the last days.
 I installed a wiki as a test playground for testing the new features of
 the usermap described here -
 http://wiki.christian-willmes.de/index.php/Usermap_user_documentation

 The test wiki is accessible from here -
 http://wiki.christian-willmes.de/

 Anybody can create an account and play with it. So feel free to do so
 and report the bugs you find to me or leave a note here -
 http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Usermap-develop

 If the community agrees with the new features, I will be happy to
 install it to the osgeo wiki.

 best regards,
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Fwd: Re: [Webcom] Usermap SVN and improvement]

[Christian Willmes]

Hello,

thanks for the feedback Jacolin, I added a usermap-develop page to the
osgeo wiki [1] to post feature requests and problems or errors. It can
be used for general discussion also.

And sorry for the misdealing documentation. Its because my wiki username
and my realname are the same... ;-). We can substitute it with an other
username, I just wanted to show an working real example.

So for now I have some work I think.. I will see what I can do about the
popups and the toolbar. If somebody have working examples using open
layers which implement this features nicely, where I can learn from
please point me to it.

Thanks and regards,
Christian

[1] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Usermap-develop

Alexandre Leroux schrieb:

 Ok. Thanks to Yves and Jason for telling I got things wrong :-) The
 UserMap Documentation wiki page was misleading and updated it. It
 works for me too now.

 Cheers,

 Alex
 -- 
 Alexandre Leroux, M.Sc., Ing.
 Environnement Canada / Environment Canada
 Centre météorologique canadien / Canadian Meteorological Centre
 Section de la réponse aux urgences environnementales /
 Environmental Emergency Response Section
 alexandre.ler...@ec.gc.ca


 On 03/04/09 11:16, Jason Birch wrote:
 I wonder if you have the User Name and username backwards on your tag?

 I'm probably not the best one to talk though, since mine hasn't been
 updated either.  I just edited mine based on the guess that the username
 may be case sensitive.

 Jason

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 Sent: March-04-09 7:17 AM
 Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Fwd: Re: [Webcom] Usermap SVN and
 improvement]


 Months after I added the position information to my userpage, I don't
 show up on the map.
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Map of Wiki/OSGeo Members

[Christian Willmes]

Hello,

today I setup a live demo of the mediawiki extension I wrote on a 
internet accessible mediawiki installation on Arnulfs server. - 
http://arnulf.us/UserLocalization_Example


In the moment its not really showing what its made for because there are 
only two users of this wiki instance in the moment.


Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) schrieb:
How is it going on your project, what is the status? Your efforts 
sound really interesting and could be broadly useful - so I hope you 
can finish it.


It is not the question If I finish it, it is only the question when. ;-) 
But I like to work on it and I'm willing to make it better and better.
I'm not convinced that geocoding IPs is going to be as useful for 
OSGeo though - I think that many members will never use the wiki. 
Recently I checked revisions and more than half the revisions were 
done by only 10 people :) To get the categories set for each user did 
you have to do them manually, or did most people do it themselves 
after the reminder?


Yes, and also the privacy thing is maybe an issue. I think not everybody 
wants to have a track of his editing locations public accessible. Its 
just a nice thing for a geo mashup with the geocoding service I 
thought... and there was something about it on the discussion page ( 
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Category_talk:OSGeo_Member ).


I will try to make some more functions and improve it. I would be very 
happy for any suggestions for what could be better done or what would be 
a good additional function.


Best regards,
Christian
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Map of Wiki/OSGeo Members

[Christian Willmes]

Hi Mateusz, hi all,

I am an intern at WhereGroup [1] in the moment. And my work there was/is 
to implement  the OSGeoMember Mashup  [2] .
I have chosen to implemented an MediaWiki Extension called 
UserLocalization [3].
It can show maps of the WikiMembers which included a tag on their 
'User:Username' wiki site.
It is also possible to show edit locations of articles and users, by 
geocoding [4] the IP adresses from the editing remote hosts.

It uses Openlayers and PostGIS.

This Extension is in experimental stage, so in the moment it has still 
some bugs to fix...


And thats only my interpretation of the described Mashup [2], but I 
would be very happy about some feedback from you all. :-)


Best regards,
Christian

[1] http://www.wheregroup.com
[2] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Category_talk:OSGeo_Member
[3] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:UserLocalization
[4] http://www.hostip.info

Mateusz Loskot schrieb:

Hi,

During Cascadoss events, Markus and I, we discussed that it could be
interesting to build a map of all OSGeo Members [1], events and other
geographically referenced content of our Wiki.

There is number of geo-plugins available for MediaWiki, so it's easy to
get lost. I found Google Map Extension [2] for MediaWiki that looks
interesting.

I'd like to hear opinions about such map and recommendations of map
extensions for MediaWiki, that we could use for that purpose.

After I have necessary technical details collected for this new
features, I'm going to ask Webcom if it's possible to get it implemented.

[1] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Category:OSGeo_Member
[2] http://wiki.case.edu/CaseWiki:Google_Map_Extension

Best regards,
  


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