[OSGeo-Discuss] GSoC 2020 need new Lead Admin to take over

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

>Due to personal reasons, we admins realized none of us has the time to
>allocate to GSoC this year. So, OSGeo needs a new Lead Admin or there won't
>be GSoC at OSGeo this year.
>
>What's needed to carry out the task?
>The Lead Admin is:
>- willing to not go offline during the summer
>- familiar with GSoC environment (has read all the rules and is capable to
>explain / enforce them)
>- prompt to respond to emails
>- capable of meeting deadlines
>- proactive and self-starter

good starting point for interested people:

https://www.osgeo.org/initiatives/gsoc/
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_2019

Kind regards
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Google Summer of Code 2019 Mentor Summit October - travel report

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

Dear OSGeo GSoC community,

 

more than 300 mentors from 162 organizations and 42 countries have registered for the Mentor Summit in Munich to celebrate 15 years of GSoC in 2019.

 

Please find our travel report here:

 

 

https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_2019_Mentor_Summit#Reports

 

 

Kind regards

Vicky and Helmut
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[OSGeo-Discuss] GSoC 2019 Results!

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

It is our pleasure to announce that 7 GSoC (Google Summer of Code) students 
have successfully completed the program this year through OSGeo!

You can find out more about the completed projects at:

https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/organizations/6304079978954752/#projects

and soon on our wiki pages.

In the 15th year of Google Summer of Code (GSoC) [1], 1.134 students from 61 
countries have successfully completed the 2019 program.

We would like to wholeheartedly thank all the OSGeo mentors who dedicated their 
invaluable time and experience to this program, you are the core of GSoC!  
Thanks also to our students, we are sure you have learnt a lot and also had 
some fun, and we hope you decide to remain in the OSGeo community becoming 
active developers and the future generation of GSoC mentors!

If you participated this year as a student or as a mentor, please take the time 
to leave us your feedback, as we try to improve the experience each year.

We created a page

https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_2019_Improvements

where you can leave your comments and suggestions, please feel free to expand 
it, or to contact us directly to discuss your ideas.

We are also collecting your questions and topics that you would like us to 
bring to the mentor summit (October 17-20 @ Munich, Germany, where Helmut 
Kudrnovsky, Rajat Shinde, and Vicky Vergara will represent OSGeo at Google 
summit).

The last reminder for our successful students: we have grants of 500 USD 
available to students willing to present their GSoC results at international 
conferences, and we give them on a first come first served basis. We assigned 
the first grant in occasion of the last FOSS4G in Bucharest. You will read more 
details on our wiki soon, and on soc mailing list too. Meanwhile, feel free to 
reach us at gsoc-admin AT osgeo DOT org for info.

Kind regards,
Your OSGeo GSoC Admins

[1] 
https://opensource.googleblog.com/2019/09/thats-wrap-for-google-summer-of-code.html
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[OSGeo-Discuss] GSoC 2019 – Congratulations to accepted students! what's next: community bonding period

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

Dear students,

congratulations to those that have been accepted this year! 

* Please watch this 5 minutes video for an introduction to what to expect in 
the coming days: *

https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/videos#ive_been_accepted_what_now


As part of your acceptance into GSoC, you are expected to actively participate 
in the Community Bonding period (May 6 - 27, 2019).


The *Community Bonding period* is no relax time!

It is intended to help you getting ready to start contributing to your 
organization at full speed starting from May 27. At the end of the bonding 
period, students are requested to send a report of the activities that have 
completed and will undertake their first evaluation. Students that haven’t 
participated actively in the community will be removed from the program.

What are you going to do during the Community Bonding period?

*
* Request writing access to the OSGeo wiki, you need it to edit all info 
related to your project
* Get to know your mentors, establish with them a way of communication, that 
can be video call, chat, email, etc. You are supposed to communicate regularly 
and often with your mentors.
* Familiarize with the community practices and processes: how does the 
community communicate? Where is the source code published? How does the bug 
tracker work? 
* Introduce yourself and your project in SOC mailing list as well as the 
mailing list used by your software community, and start a public dialogue to 
gather feedback and refine your project accordingly.
* Redefine your project with more detailed weekly milestones, with the help of 
your mentors and the feedback of the community, embedding the 3 evaluation 
periods in your timetable, adding more details, figuring out potential issues, 
etc.
* Become familiar with the developer manuals
* Study material relevant for your project
* Install the developer environment and get ready to start coding
* Participate in Mailing Lists / IRC / etc, try and help users
* Start coding for bug fixes NOT necessarily related to your project: it is a 
good exercise to become familiar with the code base. Include these bug fixes 
into your report due at the end of bonding period.
* Set up your repository and wiki page for your project. You are free to 
blog/tweet about it too, if you wish. Don’t forget to include these info in the 
report due at the end of the bonding period.
* Ask your mentors for guidance on how to commit to the project repository. 
Bear in mind that you should commit often, not just at evaluation periods. 
However, depending on the policy given by your mentors, you might be requested 
to commit in your own repository and make a PR only when the code is mature to 
be included in the main repo. Discuss the details with your mentors.
*

To recap, we request you to do the following now:

* Write an introductory email to our SOC mailing list and to your community dev 
mailing list, detailing your project and asking for feedback. Also include 
information about your wiki page, public repository and any other way the 
community can follow updates for your project, like a blog, a Twitter account, 
etc...

* Add the links to your wiki page and public repository in the accepted 
students wiki page [2] - you need to request writing access first

* Now it's a good time to study again Google's GSoC students guide [3] and 
OSGeo's specific instructions [4] [5], they contain useful advice from past 
years.

* Public interaction is important -- it is a key principle of open source -- 
work happens where everyone can see it.


Have fun and we wish you a productive summer!

kind regards,
OSGeo GSoC Adminis

[1] http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/soc
[2] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_2019_Accepted
[3] https://flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/
[4] 
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_Recommendations_for_Students#What_to_expect_after_application
[5] 
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_Recommendations_for_Students#What_to_expect_during_the_summer
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[OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo welcomes 7 GSoC students in 2019!

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

Dear OSGeo community,
 
we are proud to announce that 7 students were selected to work on GSoC [1] at 
OSGeo this year!
 
Browse the projects at:
 
https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/projects/
 
We thank all the students that weren’t selected and encourage them to apply 
next year.
 
Congratulations to all selected students and welcome!
 
Under
 
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_2019_Accepted
 
you’ll find links to their upcoming progress reports.
 
Kind regards
OSGeo GSoC admins
[1] https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com
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[OSGeo-Discuss] GSOC #2019

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

Shashibhushan Singh

>Sir ..where should i go for proposal 

have a look at https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2019-March/038298.html

--
Some important points [2] how to increase your chances of being selected:

* Be proactive
* Discuss your idea in public channels
* Demonstrate your skills
* Demonstrate your intention to stay

As a general remark, we know that late submissions are not our best shot, as we 
usually find them incomplete, so be aware that the sooner you submit your 
proposals, the better chances you have to adjust them to mentors' requirements, 
and in the end, better chances to be selected.

Remember that GSoC is a highly competitive program, we prioritize quality over 
quantity, this means that we only accept excellent proposals. Submitting a 
sloppy proposal it's just a useless waste of time for you and for mentors.

A proposal template can be downloaded from github [3].

your
OSGeo GSoC admins

[1] https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/how-it-works/#timeline
[2] 
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_Recommendations_for_Students
[3] https://github.com/OSGeo/gsoc/blob/master/proposal_template.md
--

follow the link to the students recommendations, then study the ideas list 
(https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_2019_Ideas), choose a 
projected you're interested in and join the project's community to discuss your 
ideas.

a proposal template can be found at 
https://github.com/OSGeo/gsoc/blob/master/proposal_template.md

kind regards
Helmut (on behalf of OSGeo GSoC admins)
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[OSGeo-Discuss] GSoC 2019 - Student Application Period start on March 25

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

Dear would-be GSoC students,

according to the timeline [1], student application period will start on March 
25.

Some important points [2] how to increase your chances of being selected:

* Be proactive
* Discuss your idea in public channels
* Demonstrate your skills
* Demonstrate your intention to stay

As a general remark, we know that late submissions are not our best shot, as we 
usually find them incomplete, so be aware that the sooner you submit your 
proposals, the better chances you have to adjust them to mentors' requirements, 
and in the end, better chances to be selected.

Remember that GSoC is a highly competitive program, we prioritize quality over 
quantity, this means that we only accept excellent proposals. Submitting a 
sloppy proposal it's just a useless waste of time for you and for mentors.

A proposal template can be downloaded from github [3].

your
OSGeo GSoC admins

[1] https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/how-it-works/#timeline
[2] 
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_Recommendations_for_Students
[3] https://github.com/OSGeo/gsoc/blob/master/proposal_template.md



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[OSGeo-Discuss] Announcement: OSGeo selected as an umbrella organisation for GSoC 2019

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

Dear OSGeo community,

we’re pleased to announce that OSGeo has been selected as an umbrella 
organisation for Google Summer of Code (GSoC) 2019.

@Mentors: In the coming days, we admins will be inviting the mentors that have 
filled the form [1]. If you want to be a mentor and haven’t filled the form 
yet, please do it *ASAP*.

@All members of the community: be prepared and responsive in the coming days to 
welcome students and answer their inquiries. From Google admins: “Students who 
engage with their organization early (and often) are more likely to be accepted 
and then succeed. We encourage you to get to know the students and help them 
get to know you! Please continue to flesh out your ideas lists and 
documentation over the next few weeks.”

Please, forward this email to your developer and community mailing list.

@Students:  
According to the official timeline [2], student application period will be 
March 25, 2019 - April 9, 2019. 

For your convenience, this year you can also download the proposal template 
from [3]. After filling the template and detailing the proposal, it must be 
submitted following the guidelines given by Google. 

Remember to submit your proposal well in advance, so that you can make the most 
out of the feedback from mentors and the community at large and refine your 
proposal until final deadline. Read the application instructions here [4]. The 
same page contains all the info you need before taking action, read it all 
carefully! Good luck everyone!

We admins will be available as always at , however, 
consider using public channels if the topic is not sensitive, i.e. soc mailing 
list [5]

We are looking forward to working with you towards another awesome edition of 
GSoC!

Kind regards
OSGeo GSoC admins

About GSoC

GSoC [6] is a global program by Google aiming at bringing new developers to 
open source organizations. OSGeo’s participation as an umbrella organization 
dates back to 2007 edition. Curious to know more? Browse our wiki pages [7].


[1] https://goo.gl/forms/jMvPl7ns2NG1BL6Q2
[2] https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/how-it-works/#timeline
[3] https://github.com/OSGeo/gsoc/blob/master/proposal_template.md
[4] 
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_Recommendations_for_Students#Application_instructions
[5] https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/soc
[6] https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/
[7] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Category:Google_Summer_of_Code






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[OSGeo-Discuss] GSOC 2019

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

Aditya,

>I would love to contribute to OSGeo the upcoming Google Summer of Code
>2019. I would be very grateful to get any directions to start with so that
>I can pursue and participate in the Google Summer of Code 2019 with your
>organization.

for that kind of questions we prepared following wiki:

*Google Summer of Code Recommendations for Students*
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_Recommendations_for_Students

be proactive and start to communicate with the project community you're 
interested in.

keep in mind, Google didn't selected yet the organisations which will 
participate in GSoC 2019; see [1] for the timeline:

*Organizations Announced*
February 26, 2019

Kind regards
Helmut, OSGeo GSoC admins

[1] https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/how-it-works/#timeline
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Help - About Gsoc 2019

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

>Hi,
>
>   I want to do Gsoc in this organization. I am a newbie to open source
>contribution, can anyone help me to how to get started.
>
>Thank you.

see

https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_Recommendations_for_Students

for students recommendations.

keep in mind, organisation application is still ongoing.

see also [1] for the GSoC timeline:

*February 26 12:00 UTC  List of accepted mentoring organizations published

Kind regards
Helmut (on behalf of the OSGeo GSoC admins)

[1] https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/timeline
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[OSGeo-Discuss] GRASS GIS (trunk) and python 3 - testing welcome

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

Dear OSGeo community,

the GRASS GIS dev team is working on a python 3-support/transition [1] of the 
source code in trunk [2].
 
winGRASS GIS 7.7svn daily builds with python 3 are already available as 
standalone installers [3] or in OSGeo4W [4]; see:

System Info 
GRASS Version: 7.7.svn  
GRASS SVN revision: r74011  
Build date: 2019-01-25  
Build platform: x86_64-w64-mingw32  
GDAL: 2.4.0 
PROJ.4: 5.2.0   
GEOS: 3.7.0 
SQLite: 3.26.0  
Python: 3.7.0  <==  
wxPython: 4.0.3 
Platform: Windows-10-10.0.17763-SP0 (OSGeo4W)  

In [5] there are hints how to test it in e.g. Linux.

As the GRASS GIS transition to python 3 covers changes in many lines of code, a 
broader testing by the community is very welcome.

Problems and bugs can be reported in the GRASS GIS trac [6].
 
Thanks and kind regards
Helmut

[1] https://trac.osgeo.org/grass/wiki/Python3Support
[2] https://trac.osgeo.org/grass/browser/grass/trunk
[3] https://grass.osgeo.org/download/software/ms-windows/
[4] https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo4w/
[5] https://trac.osgeo.org/grass/wiki/Python3Support#Linux
[6] https://trac.osgeo.org/grass
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[OSGeo-Discuss] GSoC 2019 - Call for mentors and ideas

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

Dear OSGeo community,

It is time for *GSoC* [1] this year, so this is our starting information to get 
involved!

If you are willing to act as a mentor [2], fill in this form:

< https://goo.gl/forms/njL27YLWBVensZ3m1 >

If you want to participate proposing ideas, you just need 
to send us (admins:  ) the URL for your project's
ideas page.

Remember that every idea should indicate:

• A title
• A description
• 2 mentors 
• A test for the students to submit to your evaluation. The test aims at 
evaluating if the student is capable for the project, so please design the test 
having in mind the skills required to complete the project.

Time is short, we need to collect all URLs by Feb 4. Here the timeline [3].

Thanks and please forward to your project community.

Your OSGeo GSoC admins

[1] https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/
[2] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_2019_Administrative
[3] https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/how-it-works/#timeline
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Fostering pre-university student participation in OSGeo through the Google Code-in competition.

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

Dear OSGeo community,

find under

---
https://doi.org/10.5194/isprs-archives-XLII-4-W8-175-2018

V. Rautenbach, M. Di Leo, V. Andreo, L. Delucchi, H. Kudrnovsky, J. McKenna & 
S. Acosta y Lara 2018. Fostering pre-university student participation in OSGeo 
through the Google Code-In competition. The International Archives of the 
Photogrammetry, Remote Sensing and Spatial Information Sciences, Volume 
XLII-4/W8, 2018. FOSS4G 2018 – Academic Track, 29–31 August 2018, Dar es 
Salaam, Tanzania.
---

some experiences and conclusions of OSGeo's first participation in the Google 
Code-in (GCI) competition.

Kind regards
Helmut

OSGeo charter member
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[OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo welcomes 13 GSoC students in 2018!

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

Dear OSGeo community,

we are proud to announce that 13 students were selected to work on GSoC [1] at 
OSGeo this year!

Browse the projects at:

https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/organizations/5051492877205504/?sp-page=2

We thank all the students that weren’t selected and encourage them to apply 
next year. 

Congratulations to all selected students and welcome!

Under

https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_2018_Accepted

you’ll find links to their upcoming progress reports. 

Kind regards
OSGeo GSoC admins

[1] 
https://opensource.googleblog.com/2018/04/rolling-out-red-carpet-for-gsoc-2018.html
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[OSGeo-Discuss] [GRASS-user] Helena Mitasova awarded 2018 Waldo-Tobler GIScience Prize

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

forwarding: https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-user/2018-April/078052.html

-
https://gi-science.blogspot.com/2018/04/helena-mitasova-awarded-2018-waldo.html

"The Austrian Academy of Sciences through its Commission for GIScience is
awarding the GIScience Prize named after Prof Waldo Tobler to a scientist
having demonstrated outstanding and sustained contributions to the
discipline worthy of inspiring young scientists in Geoinformatics and
Geographic Information Science, and having accomplished significant
advances in research and education.

The received nominations were reviewed and assessed by an external panel of
peers, who unanimously recommended to award the 2018 prize to Prof Helena
Mitasova (North Carolina State University)."


congratulations!

kind regards
Helmut

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[OSGeo-Discuss] GSoC 2018 - Student Application Period - 6 days left for your proposal

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

Dear students, dear community,

according to the timeline [1]:

* Student Application Period: All proposals must be submitted by March 27, 2018.

there are now 6 days left for preparing a GSoC proposal.

For writing a good ideas proposal, read the

* OSgeo's Google Summer of Code Recommendations for Students
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_Recommendations_for_Students

and

* Google's student guide:
https://google.github.io/gsocguides/student/making-first-contact

Good look!

Kind regards
Helmut (on behalf of the OSGeo GSoC admin team)

[1] https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/how-it-works/#timeline
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Student application period for GSoC begins today

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

Dear Community,

this is a reminder that student application period starts today at 
https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=GSoC+2018=20180312T17=136

The application deadline is 27 March.

Students are reminded to use the template at 
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_Recommendations_for_Students#Template
 

It is also important that students don’t just submit their proposals, but take 
the time to discuss the proposals with mentors and the community in developers 
mailing lists, and modify them according to the feedback. Remember that the 
earlier you prepare your proposals, the more time you have to get feedback and 
therefore the more chances to get selected. 

Usually last minute, never discussed proposals are not even considered. 

Remember that GSoC is a highly competitive program, so demonstrate your skills, 
be proactive! 

Read more at :
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_Recommendations_for_Students

See also a presentation at https://goo.gl/1EdNnk

Start browsing the central ideas page at:
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_2018_Ideas

Good luck everyone!
The GSoC-OSGeo Admin Team
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[OSGeo-Discuss] GSoC 2018 - OSGeo has been accepted as mentor organization!

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

Dear Community,

we are pleased to announce that OSGeo has been selected as a Google Summer of 
Code 2018 mentor organization.


@Mentors: In the coming days, we admins will be inviting the mentors that have 
filled the form [1]. If you want to be a mentor and haven’t filled the form 
yet, please do it *ASAP*.


@All members of the community: be prepared and responsive in the coming days to 
welcome students and answer their inquiries. From Google admins: “Students who 
engage with their organization early (and often) are more likely to be accepted 
and then succeed. We encourage you to get to know the students and help them 
get to know you! Please continue to flesh out your ideas lists and 
documentation over the next few weeks.”


@Students: read our recommendations [2] for getting started. According to the 
official timeline [3], student application period will be March 12 - 27, 2018. 
Get in touch with the community of your preferred project and start to prepare 
your proposal for GSoC with them.


If you have any questions, do not hesitate to reach out to us admins at 
.


We are looking forward to working with you towards another awesome edition of 
GSoC!

Cheers!
The GSoC-OSGeo Admin Team


[1] https://goo.gl/forms/IxuzXUk3IQE0E5EO2
[2] 
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_Recommendations_for_Students
[1] https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/how-it-works/#timeline

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[OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo charter member list - where to find on the new website?

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

Dear OSGeo community,

looking at

http://old.www.osgeo.org/content/foundation/members/voting_members.html

"OSGeo Foundation Charter Members
Charter Members have the same responsibilities as all members, with the 
additional responsibility of voting for board members."

there is a list of the 390 charter members.

searching on the new website, there seems to be only some news entries about 
charter member elections, but no charter member list as on the old website.

some questions:

- is it a work in progress to move the charter member list to the new website?
- if not, is there any public available decision about this?
- if not, why aren't the charter members informed about this?

Kind regards
Helmut
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo4W missing in new website

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

>Gesendet: Sonntag, 21. Januar 2018 um 06:15 Uhr
>Von: "Jody Garnett" 
>An: "Helmut Kudrnovsky" 
>Cc: "OSGeo Discussions" <discuss@lists.osgeo.org>, osgeo4w-...@lists.osgeo.org
>Betreff: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo4W missing in new website
>
>Helmut do you have any contact details for the OSGeo4W project?  Please ask 
>the OSGeo4W team to contact the incubation 
>committee[https://www.osgeo.org/about/committees/incubation/] (for edit access 
>to create a project page).
> 
>--
>Jody Garnett 

forwarding from the OSGeo4W ML
[https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/osgeo4w-dev/2018-January/003489.html]

---
> https://www.osgeo.org/projects/osgeo4w/

I get "sorry that page doesn't exist", and I am logged in. I don't see it
under "All Projects" or "Community Projects" either.

More generally: It's extremely heartening to see a new Osgeo website on a
mainstream platform and looking current and relevant. As for Osgeo4W. It's
used by many thousands of people but maintained by less than a handful,
with herculean effort. I know this has been stated already in this thread,
but I wish to underline that fact!  *All hail Jurgen, Markus, and Martin *for
their sustained effort to keep Osgeo4w ticking these last few years.


*>>>insert vaguely formulated thoughts about how someone else (osgeo,
vienna, anonymous hero, ...), could provide some community building and
support resources to ensure health and continuity of the osgeo4w ecosystem.
Recognizing that the download infrastructure and website from Osgeo are
huge supports, but they're not enough for vitality. Our 3 heroes can't or
won't do this indefinitely. <<<*


Matt
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Helmut

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo4W missing in new website

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

Jody,

the OSGeo4W framework exits since more than 10 years now; the first entry in 
the OSGeo4W-ML dates back to November 2007.

AFAIK there are few volunteers nowadays [1] to keep the framework running; 
mainly Jürgen F. and Martin L.; I maintain a small package to
easily bridge the OSGeo4W framework and R (www.r-project.org) and help in 
winGRASS if needed; and some other few volunteers helps from time to time.

> Please ask the OSGeo4W team to contact the incubation 
> committee[https://www.osgeo.org/about/committees/incubation/] (for edit 
> access to create a project page).

So, I may ask the incubation committee for edit access to create a project page.

Helmut

[1] https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/osgeo4w-dev/2007-November/date.html
[2] https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo4w/wiki/CoreTeam
 
 

Gesendet: Sonntag, 21. Januar 2018 um 06:15 Uhr
Von: "Jody Garnett"
An: "Helmut Kudrnovsky"
Cc: "OSGeo Discussions" <discuss@lists.osgeo.org>, osgeo4w-...@lists.osgeo.org
Betreff: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo4W missing in new website

Helmut do you have any contact details for the OSGeo4W project?  Please ask the 
OSGeo4W team to contact the incubation 
committee[https://www.osgeo.org/about/committees/incubation/] (for edit access 
to create a project page).
 

--
Jody Garnett 
On 20 January 2018 at 12:45, Helmut Kudrnovsky 
<hel...@web.de[mailto:hel...@web.de]> wrote:Hi community,

as we've seen in the Google Code‑in contest and students' feedback, MS windows 
is still an
important operating system within the user base of the OSGeo stack.

Beside the windows standalone installers of e.g. QGIS or winGRASS (both are 
based upon OSGeo4W),
the OSGeo4W framework itself is a very important platform to deliver the OSGeo 
stack to the users
of this operating system.

As an example, when I'm helping winGRASS users on the GRASS user ML, I'm often 
refering to use OSGeo4W-winGRASS
in order to check if the issue/problem is also there.

Furthermore, OSGeo4W is also an important testing platform as it's possible to 
use/test the latest greatest dailys of
e.g. QGIS3 or GRASS7.4svn on the windows operating system.

Another example, University of Vienna deploys OSGeo4W to all its public 
students PCs.

Searching [1] and screening the new website, there seems to be no information 
about/no link to OSGeo4W [2].

Is this intentional? Just overseen?

OSGeo will loose new and interested users of the OSGeo software stack when no 
one can find the nice framework for the still
most used operating system.

Kind regards
Helmut

OSGeo charter member

[1] https://www.osgeo.org/search/OSGeo4W[https://www.osgeo.org/search/OSGeo4W]
[2] https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo4w/[https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo4w/]
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [osgeo4w-dev] OSGeo4W missing in new website

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

Hi Guido,

thanks for pointing to the mail entry.

>I think you should be able to add the project when you are ready.

As already mentioned in my reply to Jody, OSGeo4W may be ready as it exists 
about 10 years now.

Helmut  

Gesendet: Sonntag, 21. Januar 2018 um 03:42 Uhr
Von: "Guido Stein"
An: "Helmut Kudrnovsky"
Cc: discuss@lists.osgeo.org, osgeo4w-...@lists.osgeo.org
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Hey Helmut,
 
I have been following along with all the emails about the new website with 
great excitement. I am very proud of the work the Marketing committee did in 
getting this site up and on messaging with the community about the processes.
 
I believe that there were emails sent around about project sites a couple of 
times over the last year, but here is the latest one I could find:
 
http://osgeo-org.1560.x6.nabble.com/incomplete-project-pages-tp5349455.html
 
I think you should be able to add the project when you are ready.
 
I hope this helps,
 
Guido 

On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 3:50 PM Helmut Kudrnovsky 
<hel...@web.de[mailto:hel...@web.de]> wrote:Hi community,

as we've seen in the Google Code‑in contest and students' feedback, MS windows 
is still an
important operating system within the user base of the OSGeo stack.

Beside the windows standalone installers of e.g. QGIS or winGRASS (both are 
based upon OSGeo4W),
the OSGeo4W framework itself is a very important platform to deliver the OSGeo 
stack to the users
of this operating system.

As an example, when I'm helping winGRASS users on the GRASS user ML, I'm often 
refering to use OSGeo4W-winGRASS
in order to check if the issue/problem is also there.

Furthermore, OSGeo4W is also an important testing platform as it's possible to 
use/test the latest greatest dailys of
e.g. QGIS3 or GRASS7.4svn on the windows operating system.

Another example, University of Vienna deploys OSGeo4W to all its public 
students PCs.

Searching [1] and screening the new website, there seems to be no information 
about/no link to OSGeo4W [2].

Is this intentional? Just overseen?

OSGeo will loose new and interested users of the OSGeo software stack when no 
one can find the nice framework for the still
most used operating system.

Kind regards
Helmut

OSGeo charter member

[1] https://www.osgeo.org/search/OSGeo4W[https://www.osgeo.org/search/OSGeo4W]
[2] https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo4w/[https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo4w/]
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[OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo4W missing in new website

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

Hi community,

as we've seen in the Google Code‑in contest and students' feedback, MS windows 
is still an 
important operating system within the user base of the OSGeo stack.

Beside the windows standalone installers of e.g. QGIS or winGRASS (both are 
based upon OSGeo4W),
the OSGeo4W framework itself is a very important platform to deliver the OSGeo 
stack to the users
of this operating system. 

As an example, when I'm helping winGRASS users on the GRASS user ML, I'm often 
refering to use OSGeo4W-winGRASS
in order to check if the issue/problem is also there.

Furthermore, OSGeo4W is also an important testing platform as it's possible to 
use/test the latest greatest dailys of 
e.g. QGIS3 or GRASS7.4svn on the windows operating system.

Another example, University of Vienna deploys OSGeo4W to all its public 
students PCs.

Searching [1] and screening the new website, there seems to be no information 
about/no link to OSGeo4W [2].

Is this intentional? Just overseen?

OSGeo will loose new and interested users of the OSGeo software stack when no 
one can find the nice framework for the still
most used operating system.

Kind regards
Helmut

OSGeo charter member

[1] https://www.osgeo.org/search/OSGeo4W
[2] https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo4w/
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[OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo and Google Code-in - a half time report: a success

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

Dear OSGeo community,

Google Code-in is in on the way to half time of the young students contest and 
it can be called a success.

Some general stats over all participating orgs [1]:

* Total registered students: 6,146
* Number of students who have completed at least one task: 1,573 (51% of those 
students have completed more than 3 tasks, earning them a GCI t-shirt)
* Total number of tasks completed: 5,499
* Most tasks completed by one student: 39

Regarding OSGeo, our mentors are doing an amazing work to help young students 
to complete taks. A big thank you to our mentors!

GCI tasks are create by these OSGeo projects and initiatives:

FOSS4G, GeoServer, GeoTools, GRASS GIS, gvSIG, MapServer, OpenLayers, OSGeo, 
OSGeoLive, pgRouting, PostGIS,  QGIS

Are you interested in these tasks, have a look in [2].

Also young students are very motivated to try completing OSGeo tasks:

* 121 tasks are already done by students

That's great: videos how to use/install OSGeo software, T-shirts for coding 
sprints, graphics for manual pages and many more.

As an example [3]:

* d.rgb: added figure to example, thanks to Jerry Huang and Google Code-in

Stay tuned! And help young students when they're asking on the MLs. It's their 
first step to join our community.

Kind regards
Helmut (on behalf of the OSGeo GSoC/GCI admin team)


[1] 
https://opensource.googleblog.com/2017/12/google-code-in-is-breaking-records.html
[2] https://codein.withgoogle.com/tasks/?sp-organization=5139786496999424
[3] https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-commit/2017-December/042808.html



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[OSGeo-Discuss] Election 2017 Board of Directors elections results

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

[resending the mail with smaller attachments]

 

>I was hoping to also provide some kind of visual representation of the
>vote evolution. That is the reason for the vote log publication delay.
>However, other duties prevented to do so. If someone has good skills in
>this area, please do create a chart of the CSV file and let's as know.
>Otherwise, I will do that when the time allows me (mid next week most
>probably).
>
>Best,
>Vasile
>CRO 2017
>
>[1] http://www.geo-spatial.org/file_download/29668/osgeo_board_elections.csv
>[2] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Election_2017_Results

attached a simplified csv for input in R and a cumulative sum grafics for all candidates,
produced by some simple code lines in R:

data <- read.table("rinpunt.csv", header = TRUE, sep = ";")
summary(data)
attach(data)

plot(Response.ID, cumsum(Astrid.Emde), cex = .9, ylab = "cumulative sum", col = "blue", main = "OSGeo board election 2017")
points(Response.ID, cumsum(Maria.Arias.de.Reyna), cex = .9, , col = "green")
points(Response.ID, cumsum(Venkatesh.Raghavan), cex = .9, col = "red")
points(Response.ID, cumsum(Jody.Garnett), cex = .9, col = "yellow")
points(Response.ID, cumsum(Sanghee.Shin), cex = .9, col = "black")
points(Response.ID, cumsum(Vicky.Vergara), cex = .9, col = "orange")
points(Response.ID, cumsum(Helena.Mitasova), cex = .9, col = "orchid")
points(Response.ID, cumsum(Dirk.Frigne), cex = .9, col = "indianred")
points(Response.ID, cumsum(Jeff.McKenna), cex = .9, col = "turquoise4")


legend(269, 198, legend=c("Astrid Emde", "Maria Arias de Reyna", "Venkatesh Raghavan", "Jody Garnett", "Sanghee Shin", "Vicky Vergara", "Helena Mitasova", "Dirk Frigne", "Jeff McKenna"),
col=c("blue", "green", "red", "yellow", "black", "orange", "orchid", "indianred", "turquoise4"), cex=0.8, pch = c(21,21,21,21,21,21,21,21,21), pt.cex = 0.9)

Kind regards
Helmut

OSGeo charter member

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[OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo has been accepted as a mentoring organization in Google Code-in 2017!

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

Dear OSGeo community,

we're happy to announce that OSGeo has been ccepted as a mentoring organization 
in Google Code-in 2017 [1]!


"Pre-university students ages 13 to 17 are invited to take part in Google 
Code-in: Our global, online contest introducing teenagers to the world of open 
source development. With a wide variety of bite-sized tasks, it’s easy for 
beginners to jump in and get started no matter what skills they have.

Mentors from our participating organizations lend a helping hand as 
participants learn what it’s like to work on an open source project. 
Participants get to work on real software and win prizes from t-shirts to a 
trip to Google HQ!" [1]


It's to emphasize that OSGeo is one of the 6 new orgs accepted in this contest 
as Google doesn't accept
that many new orgs as in GSoC!


The GCI timeline can be ssen in [2]:

Thursday, October 26Mentoring organizations 
announced
Tuesday, November 28 (17:00 UTC)Contest opens for entries by 
student participants 2018
Monday, January 15 (17:00 UTC)  Deadline to claim new tasks
Wednesday, January 17 (17:00 UTC)   All student work must be 
submitted; contest ends
Thursday, January 18 (17:00 UTC)Mentoring organizations 
complete all evaluations of students’ work
Wednesday, January 31   Grand Prize Winners and 
Finalists announced

Basic information regarding our application can be found under [3].

If interested to volunteer as GCI mentor, then check [4].

More informations will come, stay tuned.

Kind regards
Helmut (on behalf of the GSoC/GCI admin team.

[1] https://codein.withgoogle.com/
[2] https://developers.google.com/open-source/gci/timeline
[3] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Google_Code_In_2017
[4] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Google_Code_In_2017_Mentors
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Elections 2017 from the CRO point of view

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

[forwarding it to OSGeo discuss] 

Vasile,

thanks a lot for your hard work as CRO and considerations to keep the 
_community_ in balance!

Kind regards
Helmut

OSGeo charter member

>Dear Board directors and dear members of OSGeo community,
>
>This year elections [1] will end in less than 7 hours and it is time for
>me, as CRO, to make a short assessment and to issue a few recommendations.
>
>As you all know, during the process we had a few situations that caused
>tension and discontent to an important number of our members. I will go
>through the most important ones.
>
>1. This year membership process [2] was a very lite one. The basic rule
>for becoming a charter member was to be nominated by one existing member
>and to be seconded by at least one other existing member. This lite
>approach was in line with the new OSGeo Vision and Mission Statement
>which is focused on being inclusive [3]. However, during the nomination
>period, many of our members considered the new membership process way
>too inclusive/lite, causing a diminution in the importance of the
>charter member position. Another subject that produced criticism was
>related to the fact that some of the nominations were considered short
>in content and did not offer enough information on the "positive
>attributes" [4] that a potential member shall have. Finally, one of the
>charter member responsibilities [5], "Be aware of and protect against a
>takeover of OSGeo by single group or viewpoint.", was also a subject of
>dispute. My recommendations for the future board are to: (a) Change the
>existing membership process with another one more balanced, that assures
>both inclusiveness and a consistent weight for the charter member
>position. Of course, this new mechanism should be discussed with the
>community; (b) Impose a a very light template for the new nominations.
>This way, all the nominations will be consistent and comparable. (c)
>Rephrase responsibility no. 3 of the charter members. The meaning should
>be kept bu the wording should not sound that martial.
>
>2. Jeff was nominated for the board of directors while was serving as
>co-CRO. Even if the nominee steeped down immediately from the co-CRO
>position, the access to the cro at osgeo.org was immediately cut-off and he
>never had access to the electronic voting system, criticism over the
>potential conflict of interest and elections credibility was raised. My
>recommendation for the board is to make a specific rule that a
>nomination/candidacy for/from a person that is acting as CRO or has any
>other role in the election management is not acceptable.
>
>3. During the voting period Jeff sent a request to withdraw from the
>elections due to the negative feedback. This also started a vivid
>debate. My recommendation for the board is to create a clear rule
>stating that an accepted nomination cannot be withdraw after the start
>of the voting period. Of course, elected persons can always resign for
>various reasons.
>
>Regarding the current status of the elections. 311 from a total of 390
>members voted (80%). Due to the final reminder sent today there are
>chances to improve the voting participation.
>
>In my previous message I was proposing to accept Jeff's withdraw request
>but to continue the elections without any modification to the voting
>list. After more study on different voting systems and after going
>through your feedback, my decision and proposal for the board is not to
>admit the request from Jeff. Such requests are not possible in this kind
>of elections elsewhere. It is true that we have no specific rule for
>that in our bylaws. As I mentioned before, this should change. After the
>release of the elections results, and if Jeff is elected, it's up to him
>to decide if he goes on with the mandate or if he is resigning. This
>decision should be a very fast one, without further discussions on the
>mailing list, with all the possible arguments being already on the table.
>
>The other option that the board can consider is to entirely restart the
>board elections cycle (or only the voting part for the remaining 8
>nominations). Even if this looks like the most correct way to go,
>looking on how the elections went before and after Jeff announcement, I
>can say, without disclosing anything about the final results, that the
>announcement did not changed the way people were voting. Of course, this
>is not a fact, is just my conclusion after looking at the trends. After
>the elections, beside the final numbers, I will also publish the
>evolution of the votes (every single vote and the timestamp, anonymized
>of course). Other important reasons for the board not to start new
>elections are: (a) The community is very irritated about this never
>ending stories and people are waiting to move forward and do the things
>we usually do. For most of them, the arguments for restarting the
>elections are not strong enough; (b) Four of our current board members
>are also running in this elections. 

[OSGeo-Discuss] withdrawal from Board election

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

>Barry,
>
>I fully agree with you that a complete restart is the fairest way to go.
>However, people are getting really tired with this subject and some
>already unsubscribe from this mailing list. Also, not sure if this
>should be my call or the board should formally decide on this. Probably
>should be me, as four of the board are standing for reelection. I know
>that most of you are irritated by the amount of emails that circulate
>this days on the mailing list but I would like to hear more opinions on
>this subject before taking a decision.
>
>Best,
>Vasile
>CRO 2017

I concur here with Barry.

Kind regards
Helmut

OSGeo charter member
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Ideas for a future OSGeo Board

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

Cameron Shorter:
>I've had a number of people reach out to me privately, related to the 
>upcoming OSGeo Board elections.

Cameron, any idea why a number of people aren't articulating/communicating by 
themselves here on
the OSGeo discuss ML related to the upcoming OSGeo Board elections?

OSGeo, as I understand it, is an open and friendly community and every 
discussion input is welcome.

kind regards
Helmut

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Call for Google Code-in mentors

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

Dear OSGeo Community,

a few days ago we had a virtual kickoff meeting about Google Code-in. [1]

* What is Google Code-in [2]:

"Pre-university students ages 13 to 17 are invited to take part in Google 
Code-in: Our global, online, contest introducing teenagers to the world of open 
source. With a wide variety of bite-sized tasks, it’s easy for beginners to 
jump in and get started no matter what skills they have. Mentors from our 
participating organizations lend a helping hand as participants learn what it’s 
like to work on an open source project."
 
* How it works [3]: 
 
1  Students search for a task that interests them and claim it. They have at 
least three days to complete it. 
2  The student works on the task, getting guidance from mentors, if needed.   
3  Once the student is ready, they submit their work for review through the 
contest website.  
4  Mentors from the organization evaluate the work, provide feedback, and if 
it's complete, accept it! Otherwise, specific feedback is provided, and the 
student goes back to step #2!   
5  Go to step #1 and repeat!

* Example tasks may be:

** Coding
- Add a new (simple) option to a GRASS python module
- ...

** Documentation/Training
- Make a video introducing the various projects under OSGeo
- ...

** Outreach/Research
- Write a fancy blog post about the new cool QGIS 3D capabilities
- ...

** Quality Assurance
- Add a Test Case for xyz to the GDAL testsuite
- ...

** User Interface

- Add icons for specific GIS task
- ...

* Time effort of the tasks should not be longer as 3 to 5 hours!!!


Members of other orgs, which participated in the last years, have joint our 
kickoff meeting.

Lessons learned from the last years' participations:

* a strategic plan needed to generate a pool of tasks doable in 3-5 hours 
(beginner to advanced tasks); from ~50 up to ~100 tasks!!
* a large enough mentor pool that the contest can going on over the period to 
tackle evaluations of about ~ 100 tasks!!

If you are a willing mentor, just write to gsoc-admin(at)osgeo.org and a form 
to fill in will be sent to you.

At the moment, the mentor pool seems not be large enough to apply for Google 
Code-in.

What we have heard from other orgs already participated: Google Code-in is fun, 
nice results for e.g. outreach, though the workload has to be planned
 
Kind regards

Helmut (on behalf of the OSGeo GSoC admin team)
OSGeo charter member

[1] 
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Google_Code_In_2017#Kickoff_.28virtual.29_meeting
[2] https://developers.google.com/open-source/gci/
[3] https://developers.google.com/open-source/gci/how-it-works
[4] https://developers.google.com/open-source/gci/resources/example-tasks
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proprietary GIS on our OSGeo website

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

Maria,

I agree with you, presenting links to proprietary software on the OSGeo website is nonsense.

I've just reread my initial mail and I can't see anything in it against support for migration.

Moreover I wonder that no one react on my main sentence:

"I'm pretty much convinced that more effort to help our OSGeo projects improving on every level (e.g. documentation, reach out, testing, etc) is the key rather than linking to proprietary software. One of such opportunities may be the upcoming Google Code In (GCI) 2017 e.g. to produce nice screenshots for documentation, produce some fancy videos etc. based on tiny little tasks for students aged 13 to 17. A good invest in the young who will be our OSGeo's future."

If you understand and know nowadays click-and-read behavior of internet users, the mean time to stay on a website is about 5 seconds.

If you want to foster migration and keep website visitors' attention high, fancy and catchy screenshots of use cases, short videos of cool stuff with open data etc etc etc is highly effective. 

Hakuna Matata
Helmut
-- Am 21.09.17, 08:30, "María Arias de Reyna" <delawen+os...@gmail.com> schrieb:
>> On 20 September 2017 at 02:41, Helmut Kudrnovsky <hel...@web.de> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear OSGeo community
>>>
>>> I want to bring you a discussion on a github ticket about linking to
>>> "similar proprietary products" [1] to your attention.
>>>
>>> My comment there:
>>>
>>> "I support and concur with Venka that the item "Similar Proprietary
>>> Products" should be removed. There isn't only one proprietary GIS software
>>> out there, there are several others. IMHO such comparisons may be part of
>>> e.g. a reviewed scientific paper/elaboration, where our OSGeo projects - if
>>> they want to - may link to. I see no added value for OSGeo to serve such
>>> links. As already elsewhere mentioned by me, reciprocity is the key if such
>>> items are listed, but I can't see this happen. "
>>>
>>> I'm pretty much convinced that more effort to help our OSGeo projects
>>> improving on every level (e.g. documentation, reach out, testing, etc) is
>>> the key rather than linking to proprietary software. One of such
>>> opportunities may be the upcoming Google Code In (GCI) 2017 e.g. to produce
>>> nice screenshots for documentation, produce some fancy videos etc. based on
>>> tiny little tasks for students aged 13 to 17. A good invest in the young who
>>> will be our OSGeo's future.
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>> Helmut
>>> OSGeo charter member
>>>
>>> [1] https://github.com/OSGeo/osgeo/issues/100
>>> [2] https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2017-September/036217.html
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Hi,
On my opinion, it makes sense to show relation between propietary and
free and open software. Just because we want to people to migrate to
free and open source software, so it is good if they can search for
the software they are currently using to know what software will they
use. It makes sense, it makes life easier on migrations.
Said this, I prefer the "Migrate from" label much better. And sure, no
link to the product, just the name. Why would we need a link? If they
don't know what that software is, the information is useless to them.
If they already know what that software is, the information is
redundant. So having a name is fine, having a link is nonsense.
Is "Migrate from" label aggresive? Not at all. We are OsGeo, we are
promoting FLOSS. Promoting FLOSS means we are encouraging people to
move from propietary to open. That is our philosophy, that is our
motto. If propietary software feels bad because we follow our goals...
well, then maybe they should stop promoting their own software too
because that makes me feel bad.
Regards,
María.


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[OSGeo-Discuss] Proprietary GIS on our OSGeo website

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

Dear OSGeo community
 
I want to bring you a discussion on a github ticket about linking to "similar 
proprietary products" [1] to your attention.
 
My comment there:
 
"I support and concur with Venka that the item "Similar Proprietary Products" 
should be removed. There isn't only one proprietary GIS software out there, 
there are several others. IMHO such comparisons may be part of e.g. a reviewed 
scientific paper/elaboration, where our OSGeo projects - if they want to - may 
link to. I see no added value for OSGeo to serve such links. As already 
elsewhere mentioned by me, reciprocity is the key if such items are listed, but 
I can't see this happen. "
 
I'm pretty much convinced that more effort to help our OSGeo projects improving 
on every level (e.g. documentation, reach out, testing, etc) is the key rather 
than linking to proprietary software. One of such opportunities may be the 
upcoming Google Code In (GCI) 2017 e.g. to produce nice screenshots for 
documentation, produce some fancy videos etc. based on tiny little tasks for 
students aged 13 to 17. A good invest in the young who will be our OSGeo's 
future.
 
Kind regards
Helmut
OSGeo charter member
 
[1] https://github.com/OSGeo/osgeo/issues/100
[2] https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2017-September/036217.html
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: Nomination of Markus Metz for charter membership

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

I second Markus' nomination.

Kind regards
Helmut


> Forwarding Markus Metz nomination by Moritz Lennert. The 2017 member
> nominations listwas updated [1].
>
> Best regards,
> Vasile & Jeff
> 2017 OSGeo Elections CROs
>
> [1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/New_Member_Nominations_2017
>
>
>  Forwarded Message 
> Subject: Nomination of Markus Metz for charter membership
> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 09:23:46 +0200
> From: Moritz Lennert 
> To: OSGeo Chief Returning Officer 
>
> Dear CRO's,
>
> I would like to nominate Markus Metz for charter membership. Markus is
> very deeply involved in the core development of GRASS GIS and has done
> invaluable work for our code base. Citing everything he's done would be
> too long, but besides introducing many new modules and also
> significantly improving the internal libraries, he has done wonders in
> allowing GRASS GIS to work with very, very large amounts of data.
>
> Best wishes,
> Moritz
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: Nominate Barry Rowlingson for Charter Membership

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

I second barry's nomination.

 

Kind regards

Helmut

 

>The 2017 member nominations list has been updated with Barry's wiki page
>  [1].  Thank you Barry and Ian.
>
>thanks,
>
>Vasile & Jeff
>2017 OSGeo Elections CROs
>
>[1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/New_Member_Nominations_2017
>
>
>
>On 2017-08-28 11:13 PM, Vasile Craciunescu wrote:
>> We confirm that Barry Rowlingson accepted the nomination by Ian Turton.
>> The 2017 member nominations list will be updated ASAP [1].
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Vasile & Jeff
>> 2017 OSGeo Elections CROs
>>
>> [1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/New_Member_Nominations_2017
>>
>>
>>  Forwarded Message 
>> Subject: Nominate Barry Rowlingson for Charter Membership
>> Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2017 11:04:31 +0100
>> From: Ian Turton 
>> To: cro at osgeo.org 
>>
>>
>>
>> I would like to nominate Barry Rowlingson for charter membership, Barry
>> is a university researcher and teacher who has supported OSGEO for many
>> years including being part of the LOC for the Nottingham FOSS4G
>> conference. He is also active on gis.stackexchange and twitter answering
>> questions on spatial R.
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Ian
>>
>> PS Am I supposed to spam discuss with this also?
>>
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: nomination of Paulo van Breugel

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

I second Paulo's nomination.

Kind regards
Helmut

>Forwarding Paulo van Breugel nomination by Moritz Lennert. The 2017 
>member nominations list will be updated ASAP [1].
>
>Best regards,
>Vasile & Jeff
>2017 OSGeo Elections CROs
>
>[1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/New_Member_Nominations_2017
>
>
> Forwarded Message 
>Subject: nomination of Paulo van Breugel
>Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2017 14:27:07 +0200
>From: Moritz Lennert 
>To: cro at osgeo.org
>
>Dear Vasile and Jeff,
>
>Here's a second nomination for charter membership:
>
>I would like to nominate Paulo van Breugel for charter membership. Paulo 
>has been an active developer in the GRASS GIS community, developing many 
>useful addons, and has also been a continuous advocate and documenter of 
>FOSS4G solutions, notably via his blog https://pvanb.wordpress.com/ and 
>in the course of his academic work.
>
>Best wishes,
>Moritz
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: nomination of Veronica Andreo as charter member

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

I second Veronica's nomination.

Kind regards
Helmut

>Forwarding Veronica Andreo nomination by Moritz Lennert. The 2017 member 
>nominations list will be updated ASAP [1].
>
>Best regards,
>Vasile & Jeff
>2017 OSGeo Elections CROs
>
>[1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/New_Member_Nominations_2017
>
>
> Forwarded Message 
>Subject: nomination of Veronica Andreo as charter member
>Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2017 12:59:39 +0200
>From: Moritz Lennert 
>To: cro at osgeo.org
>
>Dear CRO,
>
>I would like to nominate Veronica Andreo as charter member.
>
>Veronica is a very active member of the GRASS GIS community and provides 
>very valuable work in documentation, bug fixing, user support, etc. She 
>is also very active diffusing OSGeo/FOSS4G principles through 
>conferences, workshops, and other forms of training.
>
>Best wishes,
>Moritz

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] "Hostile Takeover" -- what do we mean by this?

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

Frank, 

thanks for your insight of the beginning of the foundation. 

>The word "hostile" is a bit unfortunate.

therefore I've tried to "translate" it. 

My concern is to change it in the middle of the nomination and voting
process of charter members as it's related to a fundamental 
responsibility/right 
of a charter member. 

Kind regards 
Helmut 
 
 

Gesendet: Montag, 28. August 2017 um 23:57 Uhr
Von: "Frank Warmerdam" <warmer...@pobox.com>
An: "Helmut Kudrnovsky" <hel...@web.de>
Cc: "OSGeo Discussions" <discuss@lists.osgeo.org>, s...@sarasafavi.com
Betreff: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] "Hostile Takeover" -- what do we mean by this?
Helmut,

The word "hostile" is a bit unfortunate. One of the goals of charter
membership early in the organization was to provide a mechanism to
keep us aligned on roughly our original mission and community. I
personally had a concern that we might get swamped by some other
community and almost accidentally taken over. For instance one might
have imagined if all the folks interested in OSM joined OSGeo they
might have accidentally swamped "us" and we would potentially have
lost the goals of the organization.

Best regards,
Frank




On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 11:15 AM, Helmut Kudrnovsky <hel...@web.de> wrote:
> sorry, missed the subject
>
>
> Gesendet: Montag, 28. August 2017 um 20:12 Uhr
> Von: "Helmut Kudrnovsky"
> An: discuss@lists.osgeo.org, s...@sarasafavi.com
> Betreff: Kein Betreff
> Sara Safavi:
>>In the notification emails from CRO to new charter member nominees, the
>>following is included (emphasis mine):
>>
>>*"(Charter Members) have the following responsibilities: (1) annually vote
>>for OSGeo Board Members; (2) annually vote for new OSGeo Charter Members
>>and (3) be aware of and protect against a hostile takeover of OSGeo."*
>>
>>I have had more than one nominee of mine contact me asking what exactly
>>this means. I agree with their concerns: this is strange language to use,
>>is not reflected in our bylaws, and frankly does not fit the image I
>>presented when I first contacted them asking if they would accept a
>>nomination.
>
> one may translate it to: being responsible of/taking care for the wealth and 
> integrity of foundation based
> upon the principles and bylaws.
>
>>It may be a language barrier or simply a misunderstanding, but can we
>>clarify what is meant by using this kind of verbiage, and consider a
>>re-wording?
>
> I tend to keep it as it is. rewording would mean involving the charter 
> members as this related to them.
>
> Kind regards
> Helmut
>
> OSGeo charter member
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[OSGeo-Discuss] "Hostile Takeover" -- what do we mean by this?

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

sorry, missed the subject
 

Gesendet: Montag, 28. August 2017 um 20:12 Uhr
Von: "Helmut Kudrnovsky"
An: discuss@lists.osgeo.org, s...@sarasafavi.com
Betreff: Kein Betreff
Sara Safavi:
>In the notification emails from CRO to new charter member nominees, the
>following is included (emphasis mine):
>
>*"(Charter Members) have the following responsibilities: (1) annually vote
>for OSGeo Board Members; (2) annually vote for new OSGeo Charter Members
>and (3) be aware of and protect against a hostile takeover of OSGeo."*
>
>I have had more than one nominee of mine contact me asking what exactly
>this means. I agree with their concerns: this is strange language to use,
>is not reflected in our bylaws, and frankly does not fit the image I
>presented when I first contacted them asking if they would accept a
>nomination.

one may translate it to: being responsible of/taking care for the wealth and 
integrity of foundation based
upon the principles and bylaws.

>It may be a language barrier or simply a misunderstanding, but can we
>clarify what is meant by using this kind of verbiage, and consider a
>re-wording?

I tend to keep it as it is. rewording would mean involving the charter members 
as this related to them.

Kind regards
Helmut

OSGeo charter member
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[OSGeo-Discuss] (no subject)

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

Sara Safavi:
>In the notification emails from CRO to new charter member nominees, the
>following is included (emphasis mine):
>
>*"(Charter Members) have the following responsibilities: (1) annually vote
>for OSGeo Board Members; (2) annually vote for new OSGeo Charter Members
>and (3) be aware of and protect against a hostile takeover of OSGeo."*
>
>I have had more than one nominee of mine contact me asking what exactly
>this means. I agree with their concerns: this is strange language to use,
>is not reflected in our bylaws, and frankly does not fit the image I
>presented when I first contacted them asking if they would accept a
>nomination.

one may translate it to: being responsible of/taking care for the wealth and 
integrity of foundation based 
upon the principles and bylaws.

>It may be a language barrier or simply a misunderstanding, but can we
>clarify what is meant by using this kind of verbiage, and consider a
>re-wording?

I tend to keep it as it is. rewording would mean involving the charter members 
as this related to them.

Kind regards
Helmut

OSGeo charter member
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Non-precise framing can hurt the community

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

Hi Jody,

>As someone who is very much an advocate of our foss4g community

also here on my side, I promote FOSS4G wherever I have a chance to :-) ... from 
the scientific level up to governmental level ... 

>> Will locationtech also promote OSGeo projects? 
>Of course, have been doing so for some years.

also on their website? 

>>collaboration has something to do with reciprocity!

:-)

Kind regards
Helmut


Gesendet: Samstag, 19. August 2017 um 00:54 Uhr
Von: "Jody Garnett" <jody.garn...@gmail.com>
An: "Helmut Kudrnovsky" <hel...@web.de>, "Jeffrey Johnson" <ortel...@gmail.com>
Cc: "OSGeo Discussions" <discuss@lists.osgeo.org>, "Sandro Santilli" 
<s...@kbt.io>
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Sorry I could not focus on this important conversation - foss4g is a 
distraction from email!
 
As someone who is very much an advocate of our foss4g community I find it 
rewarding to assisting projects adopt open source principles and transparency. 
As such I contribute time as incubation chair at osgeo and technology-pmc chair 
with LocationTech. 
 
My observation is this - both organizations have the mission to help move the 
dial from proprietary to open source.
 
I enjoy working with both organizations, and as I have told many people at 
foss4g this week, it is nice to have different tools for different jobs.
 
I had a presentation at foss4g Korea on this if anyone wants to hunt it down.
  

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 5:57 PM Helmut Kudrnovsky 
<hel...@web.de[mailto:hel...@web.de]> wrote:>Please keep asking questions.
 
 I think I've asked questions:

> Will locationtech also promote OSGeo projects?
 
Of course, have been doing so for some years.
   
We have been doing LocationTech tour events for years promoting osgeo events. 
The majority of workshops and presentations at the events I have gone to have 
been osgeo and other projects - simply as LocationTech has not many projects to 
promote. 
 
By the same token osgeo promotes LocationTech projects like JTS.
 
it's locationtech's turn to answer. collaboration has something to do with 
reciprocity!

> Who will decide which project or other org will be promoted?
 
Um, OSGeo has a mandate to empower everyone with open source geospatial. We 
have taken that to mean OSI approved licenses; giving a wide range of projects 
to promote, see osgeo live for an example of an existing outreach initiative. 
 >Why not promote projects from any other org?
 
We do! See above.
> What is the added value for OSGeo to promote locationtech projects?
 
To better meet our mandate we promote all projects. A real pretty example is 
navigating the choose a project wizard to processing and analysis and then 
cloud processing and finding several LocationTech projects (and perhaps the 
ZOO-Project if I understood there announcement in the AGM).
 
This is a real exciting area of RnD being explored nub apache foundation and 
LocationTech projects, and we have not had any of these projects ask to join 
OSGeo at this time. 

I've not seen any answer on this questions yet.
 
See above, we have all been a bit busy.
 
Indeed I have not seen the beta website since Tuesday and look forward to 
seeing all the content that is being discussed.
 
You will see above that I am being focused on representing all projects because 
that is the osgeo mandate.  Beyond that LocationTech is a partner of OSGeo - 
and we have a closer relationship than many of the MOUs on the wiki indicate - 
OSGeo is s member of LocationTech pretty much since it started,  Michael Smith 
contributes time as our the OSGeo representative, and then are many joint code 
sprints and events such as foss4gna. 
 
Thanks for the discussion please excuse typos as this email is via phone. 
 

Kind regards
Helmut

Gesendet: Freitag, 18. August 2017 um 23:42 Uhr
Von: "Jeffrey Johnson" <ortel...@gmail.com[mailto:ortel...@gmail.com]>
An: "Helmut Kudrnovsky" <hel...@web.de[mailto:hel...@web.de]>, "Marc Vloemans" 
<marcvloema...@gmail.com[mailto:marcvloema...@gmail.com]>, 
hmit...@ncsu.edu[mailto:hmit...@ncsu.edu], 
ragha...@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp[mailto:ragha...@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp]
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Please keep asking questions. It's healthy and how we (try to) arrive at 
consensus.  

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 17:13 Helmut Kudrnovsky 
<hel...@web.de[mailto:hel...@web.de][mailto:hel...@web.de[mailto:hel...@web.de]]>
 wrote:Dear Venka, Dear Helena, Dear Marc, Dear OSGeo Community,

I'm some kind of surprised about the reactions and long threads about my 
question yesterday.

Just back from a long walk along a nice

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Non-precise framing can hurt the community

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

>Please keep asking questions.
 
 I think I've asked questions:

> Will locationtech also promote OSGeo projects?

?

it's locationtech's turn to answer. collaboration has something to do with 
reciprocity!

> Who will decide which project or other org will be promoted?

?

>Why not promote projects from any other org?

?

> What is the added value for OSGeo to promote locationtech projects?

?

I've not seen any answer on this questions yet.

Kind regards
Helmut

Gesendet: Freitag, 18. August 2017 um 23:42 Uhr
Von: "Jeffrey Johnson" <ortel...@gmail.com>
An: "Helmut Kudrnovsky" <hel...@web.de>, "Marc Vloemans" 
<marcvloema...@gmail.com>, hmit...@ncsu.edu, ragha...@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp
Cc: "OSGeo Discussions" <discuss@lists.osgeo.org>, "Sandro Santilli" 
<s...@kbt.io>
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Please keep asking questions. It's healthy and how we (try to) arrive at 
consensus.  

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 17:13 Helmut Kudrnovsky 
<hel...@web.de[mailto:hel...@web.de]> wrote:Dear Venka, Dear Helena, Dear Marc, 
Dear OSGeo Community,

I'm some kind of surprised about the reactions and long threads about my 
question yesterday.

Just back from a long walk along a nice alpine river where I had time to 
contemplate about it. Therefore it will be a personal and some kind of 
philosophical note.

In my personal, cultural and scientific background I was educated that asking 
questions isn't anything bad.

* Asking questions regarding things I'm interested in, to learn more about it 
...
* Asking questions regarding things I'm interested in, I'm involved, and where 
I have some kind of responsibility, to take care that it evolves in a 
sustainable way ...

citing [1]:

"The third category is Charter Member. Individuals in this category have the 
same rights as the above Member category, but with two important differences. 
Firstly, individuals in this category are not self-selected, but rather must be 
voted into this category by the other Charter Members. Secondly, individuals in 
this category have the right to vote in elections for other Charter Members, 
and for Board Members.

    These two factors are intended to maintain the integrity of the Foundation 
election processes -- and by extension the integrity of the Foundation itself. 
We use the term "Charter" Member to explicitly indicate that these members are 
responsible for upholding the "charter" of the Foundation."

As I'm honoured to be elected an OSGeo charter member, this is a high 
motivation for me to volunteer e.g. this year as OSGeo GSoC admin, to have fun 
within the GRASS community and to promote OSGeo and free and open source GIS 
whenever I have a chance to do so... and from time to time it encourages me to 
ask questions about OSGeo's evolution. So here we are now ...

Community and communication  both have the same latin word stem: communis.

I like OSGeo's do-ocracy :-) ... but also I think it's now time to rephrase the 
open source mantra to "communicate often, communicate early" :-) ... that OSGeo 
is able to evolve in a sustainable way!

Kind regards
Helmut 

[1] http://www.osgeo.org/Membership[http://www.osgeo.org/Membership]

Gesendet: Freitag, 18. August 2017 um 21:15 Uhr
Von: "Marc Vloemans" <marcvloema...@gmail.com[mailto:marcvloema...@gmail.com]>
An: "Sandro Santilli" <s...@kbt.io[mailto:s...@kbt.io]>
Cc: "Helmut Kudrnovsky" <hel...@web.de[mailto:hel...@web.de]>, "OSGeo 
Discussions" <discuss@lists.osgeo.org[mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org]>
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@Helmut et all,

Thanks for another opportunity to give the community more insights in what 
LocationTech (the Eclipse Industry Working Group for spatially aware software) 
entails and how it relates to OSGeo!

We help co-develop and co-promote OSGeo projects in general (including 
GPL-projects!) through
- sponsoring codesprints (e.g. Here in Boston tomorrow) and
- co-organising events (e.g. codesprints and Foss4g North Amerika)

Kind regards,
Marc Vloemans


> Op 18 aug. 2017 om 12:53 heeft Marc Vloemans 
> <marcvloema...@gmail.com[mailto:marcvloema...@gmail.com]> het volgende 
> geschreven:
>
> Dear Sandro,
>
> We (Eclipse Foundation -LocationTech) are 'not against it' ! I repeat; not 
> againstdid I mention 'not'?
>
> GPL is approved by OSI, just like the EPL. We are on the same team. The word 
> 'against' suggests we are at odds with each other over this. Which we are 
> not, never have been and never will be.
>
> Our members (businesses, academia, NGO's) work with/on projects that 
> incorporate various licenses. Individual choices depend on 'the right tools 
> for the job'. Developers work on projects and in communities

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Non-precise framing can hurt the community

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

Dear Venka, Dear Helena, Dear Marc, Dear OSGeo Community,

I'm some kind of surprised about the reactions and long threads about my 
question yesterday.

Just back from a long walk along a nice alpine river where I had time to 
contemplate about it. Therefore it will be a personal and some kind of 
philosophical note.

In my personal, cultural and scientific background I was educated that asking 
questions isn't anything bad.

* Asking questions regarding things I'm interested in, to learn more about it 
...
* Asking questions regarding things I'm interested in, I'm involved, and where 
I have some kind of responsibility, to take care that it evolves in a 
sustainable way ...

citing [1]:

"The third category is Charter Member. Individuals in this category have the 
same rights as the above Member category, but with two important differences. 
Firstly, individuals in this category are not self-selected, but rather must be 
voted into this category by the other Charter Members. Secondly, individuals in 
this category have the right to vote in elections for other Charter Members, 
and for Board Members.

These two factors are intended to maintain the integrity of the Foundation 
election processes -- and by extension the integrity of the Foundation itself. 
We use the term "Charter" Member to explicitly indicate that these members are 
responsible for upholding the "charter" of the Foundation."

As I'm honoured to be elected an OSGeo charter member, this is a high 
motivation for me to volunteer e.g. this year as OSGeo GSoC admin, to have fun 
within the GRASS community and to promote OSGeo and free and open source GIS 
whenever I have a chance to do so... and from time to time it encourages me to 
ask questions about OSGeo's evolution. So here we are now ...

Community and communication  both have the same latin word stem: communis.

I like OSGeo's do-ocracy :-) ... but also I think it's now time to rephrase the 
open source mantra to "communicate often, communicate early" :-) ... that OSGeo 
is able to evolve in a sustainable way!

Kind regards
Helmut 

[1] http://www.osgeo.org/Membership

Gesendet: Freitag, 18. August 2017 um 21:15 Uhr
Von: "Marc Vloemans" <marcvloema...@gmail.com>
An: "Sandro Santilli" <s...@kbt.io>
Cc: "Helmut Kudrnovsky" <hel...@web.de>, "OSGeo Discussions" 
<discuss@lists.osgeo.org>
Betreff: Re: Non-precise framing can hurt the community
@Helmut et all,

Thanks for another opportunity to give the community more insights in what 
LocationTech (the Eclipse Industry Working Group for spatially aware software) 
entails and how it relates to OSGeo!

We help co-develop and co-promote OSGeo projects in general (including 
GPL-projects!) through
- sponsoring codesprints (e.g. Here in Boston tomorrow) and
- co-organising events (e.g. codesprints and Foss4g North Amerika)

Kind regards,
Marc Vloemans


> Op 18 aug. 2017 om 12:53 heeft Marc Vloemans <marcvloema...@gmail.com> het 
> volgende geschreven:
>
> Dear Sandro,
>
> We (Eclipse Foundation -LocationTech) are 'not against it' ! I repeat; not 
> againstdid I mention 'not'?
>
> GPL is approved by OSI, just like the EPL. We are on the same team. The word 
> 'against' suggests we are at odds with each other over this. Which we are 
> not, never have been and never will be.
>
> Our members (businesses, academia, NGO's) work with/on projects that 
> incorporate various licenses. Individual choices depend on 'the right tools 
> for the job'. Developers work on projects and in communities that encompass a 
> wide spectrum of licenses.
> End-users (the ones that fund so many of open spatial projects) determine and 
> decide which tools will suit their purposes. And they love our community's 
> versatility to meet their demands. Thus furthering the overall success of 
> open spatial IT in the world.
> The present full spectrum of projects provides a compelling, comprehensive 
> storyline as is demonstrated by an increasing number of implementations. 
> Worldwide, across industry verticals, profits, non-profits, etc etc.
>
> Hope this clarifies and let's together move forward!
>
> Kind regards,
> Marc Vloemans
>
>
>>> Op 18 aug. 2017 om 11:25 heeft Sandro Santilli <s...@kbt.io> het volgende 
>>> geschreven:
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 09:19:52PM +0200, Helmut Kudrnovsky wrote:
>>>
>>> Will locationtech also promote OSGeo projects?
>>
>> This is an interesting question, especially as LocationTech is
>> against GPL-licensed projects (like GRASS, QGIS, PostGIS)
>>
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Note the LocationTech badge is not showing correctly

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

(Taken from https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2017-August/035453.html)

"Note the LocationTech badge is not not showing correctly"

now I am, as an OSGeo charter member, really really confused about this. 

What I'm really missing here is an open discussion and decision making how we, 
as an organisation OSGeo, going forward to promote projects from other 
organisations. 

What is the added value for OSGeo to promote locationtech projects? Will 
locationtech also promote OSGeo projects? Why not promote projects from any 
other org? Who will decide which project or other org will be promoted? 

Too many open questions without any sound background for me as an OSGeo charter 
member. 

Kind regards 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Gentle reminder reg: Project selection on the new website draft

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

Dear Marc,

that I'm not misunderstood, I highly appreciate the very hard work for the 
website redesign and rebranding!! And as already mentioned in an earlier mail 
by me, I understand that the redesign is in beta.

Citing Angelos in this thread:

"I also think that we need to be *very careful* on how we will list the 
projects in our new web site."

That was my intention to start this discussion.

As I'm already volunteering amongst others as OSGeo`s GSoC admin this year, see 
my first post as food for thought for improvement and input for the process; 
that is what my time permits ... 

Maxi's suggestions of a freezing period sounds good.

Kind regards
Helmut
 
 

Gesendet: Mittwoch, 16. August 2017 um 14:42 Uhr
Von: "Marc Vloemans" <marcvloema...@gmail.com>
An: "Maria Antonia Brovelli" <maria.brove...@polimi.it>
Cc: "Helena Mitasova" <hmit...@ncsu.edu>, "Paulo van Breugel" 
<p.vanbreu...@gmail.com>, "OSGeo Discussions" <discuss@lists.osgeo.org>, 
"Helmut Kudrnovsky" <hel...@web.de>
Betreff: Gentle reminder reg: [OSGeo-Discuss] Project selection on the new 
website draft

Dear all,
 
I feel that the "tail is wagging the dog" as they say. And we are on the brink 
of pushing valuable volunteers too far. Again.
 
Your feed back on the website is needed, welcomed and enlisted, but please be 
it combined with some actionable way to go forward and a helping hand. The site 
is still in full progress,  if one looks behind the scenes; there is a really 
massive content creation thrust going on, the visitor journey experience is 
enhanced on a daily basis, a multitude of tweaks in progress and . the 
FOSS4Paris and Foss4gBoston preparations had to be done too.
 
It is not the the Marketing Committee that has to fix anything regarding 
projects and policy related issues here.
Jody and many others have had to make decisions - lacking input on various 
occasions- in good faith. Often lacking clear direction and decisions and 
actual support. This inefficiency has often resulted in rework and loss of 
volunteer time. The Committee is fully aware that there are still iterations to 
be done. Up till now they have done something extraordinary, unparalleled in 
recent OSGeo years. Some slack is in good order.
 
By the way. The projects that are listed have all an OSI approved license. That 
has sufficed in the past. Let the free vs open discussion rest till a later 
date (if it needs to be conducted at all). Subdivisions of projects can be done 
in various ways: pleasing everyone in our community is a holy grail. 
 
And again. Please be aware that there is a finite number of volunteer hours in 
a volunteer day. 
 
Kind regards,
Marc Vloemans
 
Op 16 aug. 2017 om 07:37 heeft Maria Antonia Brovelli 
<maria.brove...@polimi.it[mailto:maria.brove...@polimi.it]> het volgende 
geschreven:
 

I agree completely with Helena. It has to be fixed with the highest priority.
Have a good day,
Maria
 

 
Pay attention to this Special Issue and see if it is of interest by you:
http://www.mdpi.com/journal/ijgi/special_issues/Geospatial_Big_Data_Urban_Studies[http://www.mdpi.com/journal/ijgi/special_issues/Geospatial_Big_Data_Urban_Studies]
 
 

Prof. Maria Antonia Brovelli
Professor of GIS and Remote Sensing
Politecnico di Milano 
ISPRS WG IV/4 "Collaborative crowdsourced cloud mapping (C3M)" 
http://www2.isprs.org/commissions/comm4/wg4.html[http://www2.isprs.org/commissions/comm4/wg4.html],
 Board of Directors of OSGeo; GeoForAll Advisory Board; NASA WorldWind Europa 
Challenge; SIFET Advisory Board
 
UN-GGIM Academic Network Deputy Chair, UN-GGIM Italy, UN OpenGIS Initiative 
(Chair of the Capacity Building WG)
 
Sol Katz Award 2015
 
P.zza Leonardo da Vinci, 32 - Building 3 - 20133 Milano (Italy)
Tel. +39-02-23996242 - Mob. +39-328-0023867,  
maria.brove...@polimi.it[mailto:maria.brove...@polimi.it]
 
 

 
 
 


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conto di Helena Mitasova <hmit...@ncsu.edu[mailto:hmit...@ncsu.edu]>
Inviato: mercoledì 16 agosto 2017 13:29
A: Paulo van Breugel
Cc: OSGeo Discussions; Helmut Kudrnovsky
Oggetto: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Project selection on the new website draft
 

Jody, I have to go so I don't have time to write more but this needs to be 
fixed instantly to avoid massive backlash against the new website. After so 
much effort it would be heartbreaking to have a negative reaction just because 
we would be perceived  as providing advertising platform for projects which are 
not really free and open source (I guess we will hear more about this from 
Stallman tomorrow). 
 
Helena
 
On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 7:21 AM, Paulo van Breugel 
<p.vanbreu...@gmail.com[mailto:p.vanbreu...@gmail.com]> w

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Project selection on the new website draft

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

>There is a very clear distinguishing of OSGeo projects on the website:

As Paulo also already mentioned here on the list: directly going to 
http://osgeo.getinteractive.nl/projects/, there are no projects distinguished. 
That was the starting point of my discussion.

I understand that the new website is in beta, but I think this should be 
fixed/managed sooner than later as the more the new website is promoted (e.g. 
FOSS4G), the more confusion and similar may occur. this should be avoided IMHO.

Kind regards
Helmut
 

Gesendet: Mittwoch, 16. August 2017 um 09:32 Uhr
Von: "Jody Garnett" <jody.garn...@gmail.com>
An: "Helmut Kudrnovsky" <hel...@web.de>
Cc: "Jeffrey Johnson" <ortel...@gmail.com>, "OSGeo Discussions" 
<discuss@lists.osgeo.org>
Betreff: Re: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Project selection on the new website draft

We could ask the OSGeo live project what procedure they use, at the moment we 
have asked on the disc...@osgeo.org[mailto:disc...@osgeo.org] mailing list for 
open source projects to fill in a google form so we would have content to try 
out the website with.
 
There is a very clear distinguishing of OSGeo projects on the website:
 
a) Sort order is OSGeo projects > OSGeo Community > Other
b) Only OSGeo projects are available from the menu directly,
c) When listed OSGeo Projects, and OSGeo Community projects are badged with the 
appropriate logo
 
 
This is going to be an interesting week collecting feedback when lots of the 
website is not working as designed quite yet (examples tagging and sorting). To 
be fair the vast majority of project descriptions were entered last weekend so 
this is our first chance to try things out with actual content :)

 
 
 

--
Jody Garnett 
On 16 August 2017 at 02:36, Helmut Kudrnovsky 
<hel...@web.de[mailto:hel...@web.de]> wrote:
>Gesendet: Mittwoch, 16. August 2017 um 06:28 Uhr
>Von: "Jody Garnett"
>Betreff: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Project selection on the new website draft
>
>Not sure it is much of an explanation - our vision as a group is to empower 
>everyone with geospatial - and there is a lot of open source >spatial to 
>promote.
>
>By the same vision 
>live.osgeo.org[http://live.osgeo.org][http://live.osgeo.org[http://live.osgeo.org]]
> includes all kinds of projects :)
>
>The key idea is to help people new to our world to go through the choose a 
>project pages and discover projects that meet their needs. 
>
>The website is a beta, we now have enough projects to test out these ideas and 
>see what issues we can find.  There is a meeting tomorrow >with the vendor 
>that should be productive (a hands on training 
>session[https://wiki.osgeo.org[https://wiki.osgeo.org]
>/wiki/FOSS4G_2017_Code_Sprint#Website_Training] for any one attending foss4g).
 
I'm following the new website and branding process a little bit by the mailing 
lists.

is there anywhere a documented discussion or a documented and approved decision 
about how the project selection to be listed on the OSGeo website is done? I 
can't find anyone.

To be inclusive is one side; not to distinguish OSGeo projects from other 
software projects from other initatives (e.g. locationtech) or GIS vendors 
without any supplement words in the OSGeo website, I'm feeling unconformable 
with it.

Kind regards
Helmut

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Project selection on the new website draft

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

>Gesendet: Mittwoch, 16. August 2017 um 06:28 Uhr
>Von: "Jody Garnett"
>Betreff: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Project selection on the new website draft
>
>Not sure it is much of an explanation - our vision as a group is to empower 
>everyone with geospatial - and there is a lot of open source >spatial to 
>promote.
>
>By the same vision live.osgeo.org[http://live.osgeo.org] includes all kinds of 
>projects :)
>
>The key idea is to help people new to our world to go through the choose a 
>project pages and discover projects that meet their needs. 
>
>The website is a beta, we now have enough projects to test out these ideas and 
>see what issues we can find.  There is a meeting tomorrow >with the vendor 
>that should be productive (a hands on training session[https://wiki.osgeo.org
>/wiki/FOSS4G_2017_Code_Sprint#Website_Training] for any one attending foss4g).
 
I'm following the new website and branding process a little bit by the mailing 
lists.

is there anywhere a documented discussion or a documented and approved decision 
about how the project selection to be listed on the OSGeo website is done? I 
can't find anyone.

To be inclusive is one side; not to distinguish OSGeo projects from other 
software projects from other initatives (e.g. locationtech) or GIS vendors 
without any supplement words in the OSGeo website, I'm feeling unconformable 
with it.

Kind regards
Helmut

OSGeo charter member
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Project selection on the new website draft

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

Hi,

thanks to all for the effort to bring up the new website!

[taken from: [OSGeo-Discuss] final call friday - for software projects on beta 
website
 https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2017-August/035410.html] 
 
>Thank you to everyone who responded!
>
>You can see the results here:
>
>   - http://osgeo.getinteractive.nl/projects/

Looking at the link above, there are project listed like:

* LERC: https://esri.github.io/lerc/
* Terraformer: http://terraformer.io/
* Koop: http://koopjs.github.io/
* GeoWave: http://locationtech.github.io/geowave/

which none of them I'm able to find on the OSGeo entry point at: 
http://www.osgeo.org/.

How is this selection of project listed in the new OSGeo site done? Only OSGeo 
project? Also non-OSGeo projects?

Thanks for the clarification.
 
Kind regards
Helmut
 
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[OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo's GSoC 2017 - a work in progress

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

Dear OSGeo's communties,

this year's OSGeo GSoC students [1] just sent their second round of weekly 
reports [2].

they're a busy in coding, have a look into the progress of the nice and 
interesting projects.

happy coding!

Kind regards
OSGeo GSoC admins

[1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_2017_Accepted
[2] https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/soc/2017-June/date.html
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[OSGeo-Discuss] [SoC] OSGeo's GSoC 2017 - what's next

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

Dear students,

as part of the your acceptance into GSoC, you are expected to actively 
participate in the Community Bonding period (May 4 - May 29). the *Community 
Bonding period* is intended to help get you ready to start contributing to your 
organization at full speed starting May 30th.

Community Bonding activities may involve:

* Becoming familiar with the community practices and processes,
* Participating on Mailing Lists / IRC / etc,
* installing the dev environment,
* reading relevant documentation regarding your project,
* redefining your project idea with more detailed weekly goals, with the help 
of your mentors and the feedback of the community, embedding the 3 evaluation 
periods in your timetable, adding more detail, figuring out potential issues, 
etc.
* start coding for bug fixes not necessarily related to your project,
* setting up your repository, wiki page for your project, blog if you wish, 
etc. 
* asking your mentors for guidance on how to commit to the project repository. 
Bear in mind that you should commit often, not just at evaluation periods.

please get in touch with your mentors and the community at large. 

join the project developer mailing lists and introduce yourself and your 
project to the community. also make sure you join the OSGeo Summer of Code 
mailing list [1], if you are not already a member.

now it's a good time to study again Google's GSoC students guide [2] and 
OSGeo's specific instructions [3] [4], they contain useful advice from past 
years.

public interaction is important -- it is a key principle of open source -- work 
happens where everyone can see it.

have fun and a productive summer!

kind regards,
OSGeo GSoC Administrators

[1] http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/soc
[2] https://flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/
[3] 
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_Recommendations_for_Students#What_to_expect_after_application
[4] 
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_Recommendations_for_Students#What_to_expect_during_the_summer
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[OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo's GSoC 2017 - countdown: 3 days left before closing application period - proactive students: discuss early, discuss often to finalize your proposals!

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

Dear OSGeo community, students,



* according to the Google Summer of Code 2017 Timeline [1]:*

 April 3 16:00 UTC  Student application deadline

application period will be closed very soon!!



* @Students: *

"Historically, the students with the best proposals reach out to the orgs early 
to receive feedback before submitting their final proposal." 

So don't wait until it is to late to get feedback from the project communities 
and mentors!! [2]



Happy coding!

The OSGeo GSoC Team


 
[1] https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/timeline
[2] 
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_Recommendations_for_Students#Application_instructions
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[OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo's GSoC 2017 - only 7 days left for student applications - last chance for proactive students!

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

Dear OSGeo community, students,
 

* according to the Google Summer of Code 2017 Timeline [1]:

 April 3 16:00 UTC  Student application deadline

there will be only 7 days left for student applications.


* @Students: 

Browse the ideas page at [2] and carefully read the recommendation for 
students, particularly the application instructions at [3].


* Quoting verbatim from Google Admins: 

"Historically, the students with the best proposals reach out to the orgs early 
to receive 
feedback before submitting their final proposal." 

So don't wait until it is to late to give you feedback, but instead join the 
communication 
channels of your chosen software community and discuss over the proposal.


*Please forward this email to your software communities*

Happy coding!

The OSGeo GSoC Team


[1] https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/timeline
[2] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_2017_Ideas
[3] 
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_Recommendations_for_Students#Application_instructions
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[OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo's GSOC 2017 - countdown -1 to opening of student's application period

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

Dear OSGeo community, students,



* according to the Google Summer of Code 2017 Timeline [1], tomorrow at

  => March 20 16:00 UTC

student's application period will start. 



* There will be time until

  => April 3 16:00 UTC  Student application deadline

to sketch and refine the student's applications.



This is a good chance and time now for

* OSGeo projects and guest projects to update the ideas lists [2]
* Mentors to update the mentors list [3]
* Former OSGeo-GSoC-students from earlier years to contribute and volunteer as 
e.g. co-mentors
* Would-be proactive students to internalize the recommendations [4] and 
discuss and refine the great GSoC ideas with the communities!


Happy coding!

The OSGeo GSoC Team

[1] https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/timeline
[2] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_2017_Ideas
[3] 
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_2017_Administrative#Mentors
[4] 
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_Recommendations_for_Students
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[OSGeo-Discuss] [SoC] OSGeo - GSoC 2017: proactive students wanted!

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[ https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/soc/2017-March/003561.html]

Dear OSGeo community, students,

OSGeo has been selected as a mentor organization for the 2017 edition of GSoC! 
[1]

*According to the Google Summer of Code 2017 Timeline [2]:

February 27 - March 20  Potential student participants discuss application 
ideas with mentoring organizations
March 20 16:00 UTC  Student application period opens

* Would-be students:
 
please read carefully the recommendations [3] and browse the ideas page at [4] 
and join the OSGeo's project communities 
to discuss your exciting ideas with the communities.

* How to increase your chances of being selected [5]

- Be proactive
- Demonstrate your skills
- Demonstrate your intention to stay

Happy coding!

The OSGeo GSoC Team

[1] https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/soc/2017-February/003550.html
[2] https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/timeline
[3] 
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_Recommendations_for_Students
[4] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_2017_Ideas
[5] 
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_Recommendations_for_Students#How_to_increase_your_chances_of_being_selected
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[OSGeo-Discuss] [SoC] GSoC - News, changes and some reminders for 2017

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

Dear OSGeo-GSoC community,

some news, guidelines and changes coming from the Google Open Source Programs 
Office for mentors and students:

* There are *3 evaluation periods* this year where mentors are required to 
complete an evaluation of their student. After the first 4 weeks of coding, 
after 8 weeks of coding and then at the end (after 12 weeks of coding). The 
evaluation forms are shorter than previous years so they should take less time 
to complete.

* Students can only be accepted into GSoC *2 times*. Google Admins will do a 
sanity check on all accepted students once you select your students in late 
April so you do not need to be concerned about this.

*GSoC Mentor-invite Mailing List*

* @Mentors: For those that have opted into the GSoC mentor mailing list 
(available on your profile page) we will bulk add you to the list on March 6th. 
Then we will add additional folks who opt in about once a week throughout the 
program period. You can remove yourself through the groups interface at any 
time. You can also update your settings to receive a daily digest of emails and 
other options. This generally is not a very high traffic list but there will be 
more questions over the next two months on this list than probably later in the 
program. The GSoC mentor mailing list is a great way to ask questions of other 
org admins and mentors and to get their feedback and help.

*Roles and responsibilities:*

If you have not yet read the Roles and Responsibilities [1] created with the 
help of GSoC Org admins and mentors, we highly encourage you to read this - it 
will help everyone understand what is expected of them over the next 6 months. 
You may also want to check out the Mentor Manual, which contains important 
information for both Mentors and Org Admins at each stage of the program.

*Important Upcoming Dates*

Now - March 20: Proactive students will reach out to you and ask questions 
about your ideas list and receive feedback from your org so they can start 
crafting their project proposals.
March 20 - April 3 16:00 UTC: Students will submit their draft proposals 
through the program website for you to give solid feedback on.
April 3 - 16: Review all submitted student proposals with your org and consider 
how many you want to select and how many you can handle. Decide on the 
minimum/maximum number of student slots to request.
April 17, 16:00 UTC: Deadline to submit slot requests (OAs enter requests)
April 19, 16:00 UTC: Slot allocations are announced by Google
April 19 - 24 16:00 UTC : Select the proposals to become student projects. At 
least 1 mentor must be assigned to each project before it can be selected. (OAs 
enter selections)
April 24 - May 4: Google Program Admins will do another review of student 
eligibility
May 4: Accepted GSoC students/projects are announced
May 4 - 29: Community Bonding Period
May 29: Deadline to notify Google Admins of an inactive student that you wish 
to be removed from the program
May 30: Coding begins
June 26-30: First evaluation period - mentors evaluate their students and 
students evaluate mentors
July 24 - 28: Second evaluation period - mentors evaluate students, students 
evaluate mentors
August 21- 29: Students wrap up their projects and submit final evaluation of 
their mentor
August 29 - September 5: Mentors submit final evaluations of students
September 6: Students passing GSoC 2017 are announced

Cheers,
The OSGeo GSoC Team (forwarding from the Google Open Source Programs Office)

[1] https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/help/responsibilities
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Google Summer of Code ideas page: action required latest by February 5th!

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

Dear All,

It’s that time of the year again! 

Applications for Google Summer of Code 2017 are now open for would-be mentor 
organizations, and we are in the process of applying on behalf of OSGeo. At 
this stage, it is extremely important that we put up a nice and informative 
ideas page, that Google will look at in order to evaluate OSGeo’s application. 

*We need your help!* 

As previous years, we will create an OSGeo ideas page, that links to software 
communities ideas pages. If you wish to participate, please, start listing the 
ideas and the corresponding mentors of your software community and send us the 
link to your wiki page latest by February 5th. 

And spread the word as much as you can!!

*Please note that from this year we have set up a group email for admin purpose 
where you can reach all of us OSGeo GSoC admins at once:  gsoc-ad...@osgeo.org.*

For further GSoC-related discussions e.g. inter/cross-project ideas/proposals, 
ideas discussions, etc please use the long established OSGeo’s SoC -- Google 
Summer of Code Coordination mailing list 
(https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/soc).

Thank you 
the OSGeo GSoC Admins Team 2017
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[OSGeo-Discuss] The future of the Google Summer of Code

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2016-November/016923.html

I'm able to support. 

Kind regards 
Helmut 

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[OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo4W orphaned?

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

Hi, 

in the last weeks there was some demand in the OSGeo4W ML for an upgrade of one 
of the basic and pivotal package GDAL to the the new line GDAL2.

No response yet. 

Is OSGeo4W orphaned? 

Best 
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Renaming FOSS4G

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

>Okay, this is probably sticking a match under a pile of dry wood but
>here goes...
>
>Can we rename The FOSS4G Conference to The OSGeo Conference?
>
>Cons:
>
> 1. FOSS4G is an established brand
>
> 2. FOSS4G sidesteps the "Free" vs "Open Source" argument by including both.
>
>Counters to those:
>
> 1. Really? Perhaps amongst OSGeo people, but outside our sphere I
>have to expand the acronym and then go on to mention OSGeo.
>
> 2. Let's have that argument somewhere else, okay?
>
>Pros:
>
> 1. Puts the *Geo* visible, not tucked away as a G at the end.
>
> 2. Gets rid of the "4G", which may have been a cool thing 2 do ten
>years ago, but not now :)
>
> 3. Removes any confusion with 4G telecoms networks.
>
> 4. Clearly brands the conference as an OSGeo conference. Recent
>discussion about the prominence and significance of OSGeo to FOSS4G
>becomes moot.
>
> 5. Is easy to explain. The OSGeo Conference is the open source
>geospatial conference. See the OSGeo web site. Search for OSGeo. One
>acronym to remember.
>
>[I toyed with the idea that the conference should be called "OSGeo
>Live!" and renaming the OSGeo Live operating system disc as "OSGeoOS"
>but that might be a bit too much :)]
>
>So, this is the discuss list, discuss.
>
>Barry

as it was discussed in other threads (e.g. COC, OSGeo charter member entry 
level, ...) that OSGeo should be more inclusive than exclusive ... I'm in 
strongly favour of a free and open FOSS4G powered by OSGeo.

best

Helmut
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Polling charter members

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

I second Jachym and Peter.



Peter Baumann:

HI all,

As there is a request for Charter Members to chime in, here my 2 cents:

The issue on hand is highlighting excellently the need for effective and
efficient decision procedures based on mandates.
OSGeo has but embarked on establishing these, currently discussions are driven
more by gut feeling than by ordered bylaws and procedures. The fact that there
are projects in incubation for 4.5 years [1] and still not done underlines this.

A grassroots mindset is good for gathering people initially, but to exercise
impact at large we need efficient, agreed decision structures. With some of the
last posts I see that we are embarking in this direction, and I very much
applaude to that.




Jachym Cepicky:
So, now



 we are here, things are happening, we can finally talk to whole
 community, because of this IMHO *is* important topic - two big
 organisations are trying to find a way, how to cooperate in the future
 for better free and open source software for geospatial! This is good.
 If for nothing else, then for clarifying OSGeos position.



on the horizon I see 3 (already worked on) tasks of the OSGeo foundation:



(a) service/infrastructure provider for foss4g projects,
(b) open minded community nucleus of foss4g spirit,
(c) business support for foss4g



as OSGeo is happily growing :-) and has reached a critical size, well reviewed structures are needed to work on all or some of these tasks, alone or in cooperation with other organisations ... lets find OSGeos position.



best

Helmut



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Peter Baumann:

HI all,

As there is a request for Charter Members to chime in, here my 2 cents:

The issue on hand is highlighting excellently the need for effective and
efficient decision procedures based on mandates.
OSGeo has but embarked on establishing these, currently discussions are driven
more by gut feeling than by ordered bylaws and procedures. The fact that there
are projects in incubation for 4.5 years [1] and still not done underlines this.

A grassroots mindset is good for gathering people initially, but to exercise
impact at large we need efficient, agreed decision structures. With some of the
last posts I see that we are embarking in this direction, and I very much
applaude to that.

cheers,
Peter

[1] http://rasdaman.org/wiki/OSGeo


On 09/18/2014 09:59 AM, Ravi Kumar wrote:
 This  LocationTech and OSGeo collaboration , appears to be some thing that
 the OSGeo Charter should involve and motivate opinion etc. Those at the helm
 may pl post a summary of the, storey so far.


 On Thursday, September 18, 2014 2:23 AM, Jachym Cepicky
 jachym.cepicky at gmail.com wrote:


 Just noting,

 discussion about relationship between LocationTech and OSGeo is here
 since 2012 (IIRC). That many people did not pain attention to it
 (actually including myself up to certain time), is not fault of OSGeo
 .. or LocationTech.

 Its just actually boring topic. We are community of (mostly)
 developers and users of FOSS4G (not conference, but software in this
 case). This sounds like politics .. who would pay attention? So, now
 we are here, things are happening, we can finally talk to whole
 community, because of this IMHO *is* important topic - two big
 organisations are trying to find a way, how to cooperate in the future
 for better free and open source software for geospatial! This is good.
 If for nothing else, then for clarifying OSGeos position.

 Jachym




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[OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo, OSGeo projects, OSGeo-live, open data, nature conservation

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

hi,

just for the record:

a new article (sorry in german) about OSGeo, OSGeo projects, OSGeo-live,
open data and nature conservation:

http://www.anl.bayern.de/publikationen/anliegen/doc/an36113kudrnovsky_2014_open_data.pdf

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Vienna Code Sprint 2014 - media reach out

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

hi,

for the record two press releases (in german, for all Austrian media: print,
online, broadcast) for the amazing Vienna Code Sprint 2014:

before the sprint (24 March 2014):

http://www.ots.at/presseaussendung/OTS_20140324_OTS0043/entwicklerinnentreffen-von-freien-und-offenen-geographischen-informationssystemen-in-wien

after the sprint (1 April 2014):

http://www.ots.at/presseaussendung/OTS_20140401_OTS0094/vienna-code-sprint-2014-zu-freien-und-offenen-geographischen-informationssystemen-ein-grosser-erfolg

thanks for the nice week!





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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source usage in European Public Sector

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

hi,


Steven Feldman wrote
 I am looking for some help with a few key statistics to use in my opening
 presentation at FOSS4G
 
 Does any one have some info on 
 
 the number of EU countries that have IT procurement policies which
 encourage or mandate the use of open source?
 which countries have based their INSPIRE activities on open source geo (I
 suspect most but would like confirmation)
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good overviews about open data in the EU are

Digital Agenda for Europe - Open Data
https://ec.europa.eu/digital-agenda/node/70

The European Union Open Data Portal
http://open-data.europa.eu/en

I'm sure there also some informations about open source, INSPIRE and open
source geo...




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[OSGeo-Discuss] EGU 2013 and FOSS GIS in geoscience, OSGeo, OSGeo Live, Open Source

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

Hi,

FYI and the record, last week at EGU 2013 there were 2 nice sessions about
FOSS GIS and Open Source in geosciences:

splinter meeting: Free and Open Source Software (FOSS) in the Geosciences
http://meetingorganizer.copernicus.org/EGU2013/session/13223

session: Free and Open Source Software (FOSS) for Geoinformatics and
Geosciences
http://meetingorganizer.copernicus.org/EGU2013/session/12088

We had a chance to get ORF (Austrian Broadcast) to these sessions. :o)

and here the outcome (sorry only in german)

Nicht umsonst: Open Source in der Forschung 
http://science.orf.at/stories/1716081/

(with links to http://www.osgeo.org/ and http://live.osgeo.org/)

Digital.Leben *
   http://oe1.orf.at/programm/334386

and a short podcast (available for 1 week):

Freie Software für Tsunami-Simulation. Open Source in den Geowissenschaften.
https://itunes.apple.com/podcast/o1-digital-leben/id28970?mt=2

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] EGU 2013 and FOSS GIS in geoscience, OSGeo, OSGeo Live, Open Source

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

 https://itunes.apple.com/podcast/o1-digital-leben/id28970?mt=2

ITunes? How do I view these in Linux? Linux - Open Source, you know. 

I know, ORF (Austrian Broadcast) reports about open source, but they could
use it much more by themeselves.

sorry, it's beyond my area of influence  but I'll give them a note...



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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] EGU 2013 and FOSS GIS in geoscience, OSGeo, OSGeo Live, Open Source

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

Hi Cameron,

Hi Helmut,
I'm interested to know how OSGeo-Live was used? 

a give-away for the journalist and some screenshots in Peter Löwe's
presentation.

Could someone please add details to:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_History

yes



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[OSGeo-Discuss] Wikispam at http://trac.osgeo.org/metacrs/

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

hi

under the link

http://trac.osgeo.org/metacrs/

there seems to be wiki-spam and the edit-button of this wiki-site seems to work 
without a login.

best regards
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