Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] OSGeo is the host of FOSS4G not a guest

2017-07-03 Thread Charlie Schweik 
On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 10:36 AM, Marc VLOEMANS 
wrote:

>
> Let's keep the momentum, the mojo, the vibe and focus on the future!
>

Thanks Marc,

As an OSGeo Charter Member, a co-leader of GeoForAll, and OSGeo's education
efforts, and someone in Massachusetts (but not really active with the
BLOC), I couldn't help but say that I am seeing first-hand the efforts of
the Boston LOC. FOSS4G 2017 Boston is going to be GREAT and the BLOC has
been working like crazy to pull off a really terrific conference.

Turning to Marc's point of focusing on the future and his references to
FOSS4G-NA-2018 and FOSS4G-2018...

I also wanted to let the community know about infrastructure we've built
for FOSS4G 2017 that can be used by future FOSS4G conferences. I (along
with two terrific and hardworking people -- Mohammed Zia and Andy Anderson)
have been managing the FOSS4G 2017 Boston Academic Track and the
peer-review review process for the papers and posters as we build the
conference proceedings. We've set up a proceedings review and publishing
system based on BePress Scholarworks that is paid for under my university's
subscription (thanks to all reviewers!). It will cost OSGeo and future
FOSS4G conference organizers nothing, and it has a very nice paper review
system (like EasyChair, but again, no cost). Once the proceedings are
published, the open access papers' metadata will be fed into many library
databases for easy discovery. The proceedings will be stored at [1] but we
will also create a full pdf version that will be published on the OSGeo
Journal [2]. The OSgeo banner on [1] will be replaced with any new branding
that might be coming. (I've kept Venka and Helena informed on this
activity.)

The key point about the future:

If anyone who will be at FOSS4G Boston will be part of an organizing team
for future FOSS4G regional or global conferences, *please contact me* so I
can show the backend of the conference review and publishing system. It's a
great resource that is now available for any future FOSS4G conference, at
no cost.

Cheers,

Charlie Schweik

[1] http://scholarworks.umass.edu/foss4g/
[2] http://www.osgeo.org/journal
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] OSGeo is the host of FOSS4G not a guest

2017-07-03 Thread Marc VLOEMANS 
Dear All,

With my 'Marketing-hat' on, I have followed this thread with interest and
growing apprehension. As is often the case with this type of
discussion-thread: everyone makes a serious point, but we are jointly still
far away from a solution. The good thing: more and more of us seem to care
how we are perceivedfrom a marketing committee
perspectiveabsolutely great!

With only a few weeks to FOSS4G-Europe in Paris and FOSS4G-2017 in Boston,
with FOSS4G-NL last week and FOSS4G-NA-2018 and FOSS4G-2018 in the making
(and other events I am mostly likely forgetting); 'FOSS4G' has become an
established OSGeo brand. Super!

As with brands of this kind, it is usual that the owner (OSGeo, right???)
provides branding-guidelines for all those using it. This to safeguard
mis-use and mis-perceptions. The FOSS4G-ribbon is already 'in the pocket',
but certainly not enough.
The present rebrand exercise is meant to professionalise our promotional
activities with a branding handbook. How the relationship OSGeo and FOSS4G
(international, regional, local) is communicated is definitely worth
addressing in the handbook.

I propose:
- a meeting in Boston on the issue between Board and Marketing Committee.
- anyone having a suggestion/advice/solution to mail it to marketing@
lists.osgeo.org, for collecting
- our present branding agency to provide guidance
- a proposal text to be voted upon by the Board
- integration of this specific guideline into the handbook

Hopefully we can steer this discussion away from 'I want you to do this'
and 'why should I do that' and other 'I ...' to a fruitful discussion in
Boston. Personally, I would welcome these type of topics at such event, as
a non-coder-but-still-interested-in-open-spatial ;-)

With so many volunteers working on so many facets of our community right
now, I would hate to see energy flowing into the wrong direction. Please,
all involved, remain focused on Paris, Boston, the new website and the new
marketing collateral and other initiatives I am ignorant of.

Let's keep the momentum, the mojo, the vibe and focus on the future!
Cheers, Marc

Kind regards,

Marc Vloemans

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On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Massimiliano Cannata <
massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch> wrote:

> Hi Guido,
> I don't understand why you are frustrated and disheartened by this
> conversation.
> We're not discussing on climate changes :-D
>
> To All of you,
> (i swear it is my last mail in the tread - maybe -)
>
> My point of view is very simple: OSGeo is not a sponsor of the event, is
> the "owner" which selected you great team and proposal for organizing the
> conference. Thus is not correct list OSGeo in the sponsor list.
> Try to open this link: http://2017.foss4g.org/sponsor/ and honestly tell
> me if you understand OSGeo is the host, or do you get the impression it is
> just one of the 20 sponsors?
>
> Since this fact has been part of discussions in the past, I believe it is
> very important to be underlined and communicated to avoid misunderstanding,
> also for the future FOSS4G conferences.
> I believe that details and communication are important (otherwise, for
> example why spend time  and money in marketing and site re-branding?).
>
> And it has nothing to do with the great work you are doing in bringing
> another wonderful foss4g (big big thanks). These are small (but not
> negligible) details..
>
> I just requested the board to take a position on this, without entering in
> details of when, what and why it happened.
> Then I will be happy whatever is the decision and will go on on doing my
> contribution and work for OSGeo ;-)
>
>
> Ciao,
> Maxi
>
> 2017-07-03 14:29 GMT+02:00 Ian Turton :
>
>> I have to disagree here, to me it is clear that OSGeo is presenting
>> ("owns") the conference while by listing the contributions the OSGeo
>> provides (seed money etc) formally on the Sponsors' page/list it makes it
>> clear just how much money (and time) the OSGeo is putting it into the
>> event.
>>
>> By formally listing as a sponsor it probably makes it easier to handle
>> things like remembering to allocate booth space, passes etc as it is
>> already on the spreadsheet when those tasks are carried out.
>>
>> Ian
>>
>> On 2 July 2017 at 09:22, Massimiliano Cannata <
>> massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear community and board members,
>>> Today I found out that OSGeo is a a SPONSOR of the FOSS4G-2017 Boston
>>> conference.
>>>
>>> This is disappointing me !
>>>
>>> At least for two reasons:
>>>
>>> 1- foss4g is the OSGeo's conference, so OSGeo is the host not a guest
>>> (have you ever seen AGU sponsoring it's annual event?)
>>>
>>> 2- OSGeo is already providing seed and risk exposure money so it
>>> shouldn't need to pay for get exposure or being listed in the sponsor page.
>>>
>>> So, as an OSGeo charter member,

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] OSGeo is the host of FOSS4G not a guest

2017-07-03 Thread Shin, Sanghee 
Dear Maxi, 

First of all thanks for your raising concerns over this. And I’d like to share 
my thoughts on this with you & others. 

1. As a non native English(or Latin) speaker, I couldn’t tell the difference 
between ‘hosted by OSGeo’ and ‘presented by OSGeo’ and even ‘organised by 
OSGeo.’ To me, it means ‘Oh, OSGeo does something great here’ That’s all. And 
as you might be aware of, BLOC team clearly mentioned on the webpage that 
‘Presented by OSGeo’ as requested by Conference Committee. 
2. I don’t think it’s unnatural to list OSGeo itself as sponsor for its 
project. Let’s take a look at the webpages of Daytona code sprint, QGIS user 
conference and GeoServer code sprints. OSGeo lists itself as a sponsor for its 
project. OSGeo is even copyright holder of GeoServer project and OSGeo lists 
itself as gold sponsor for GeoSever code sprint. I can’t see any difference 
between these self-organising events and FOSS4G. Do we need to ask to all these 
events organisers to put ‘Hosted by OSGeo’ instead of ‘Sponsored by OSGeo.’ Or 
do we need to mandate the people who try to self-organise the OSGeo-copyrighted 
project to put ‘Hosted by OSGeo’ because OSGeo holds the copyright? I’m not 
sure if you know OSGeo even doesn’t have any legal right over the FOSS4G. 
3. Real heroes/heroines of FOSS4G are LOC members, not OSGeo. Let’s be frank. 
After selecting host city, OSGeo did almost nothing except providing seed money 
and take the risk. That’s all. FOSS4G is a OSGeo’s volunteer project that 
consumes LOC member’s efforts, resources and most importantly their time very 
intensively only for OSGeo itself. LOC members know this is ‘THE OSGeo Project’ 
and try to spread this sprits voluntarily. 
4. I really thanks to BLOC team which generously listed OSGeo as gold sponsor 
and provided 3 free tickets to us. When I was a chair of FOSS4G Seoul 2015, I 
even didn’t provide any free tickets to OSGeo. Thanks again for your good 
intentions.

Kind regards, 
신상희 드림 
---
Shin, Sanghee
Gaia3D, Inc. - The GeoSpatial Company
http://www.gaia3d.com 

보낸 사람: Massimiliano Cannata
보낸 날짜: 2017년 7월 2일 일요일 오후 6:22
받는 사람: OSGeo Discussions; OSGeo Board
제목: [Board] OSGeo is the host of FOSS4G not a guest

Dear community and board members,
Today I found out that OSGeo is a a SPONSOR of the FOSS4G-2017 Boston 
conference.

This is disappointing me !

At least for two reasons:

1- foss4g is the OSGeo's conference, so OSGeo is the host not a guest (have you 
ever seen AGU sponsoring it's annual event?)

2- OSGeo is already providing seed and risk exposure money so it shouldn't need 
to pay for get exposure or being listed in the sponsor page.

So, as an OSGeo charter member, I formally ask the board to remove OSGeo from 
the sponsor list !

Regards
Maxi

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] OSGeo is the host of FOSS4G not a guest

2017-07-03 Thread James Klassen 
As a OSGeo charter member and as someone who had a very small supporting
role in organizing a past FOSS4G-NA, I have seen a glimpse of the enormous
amount of effort it takes to successfully organize a conference.  In
addition to all the normal conference logistics, FOSS4G has the additional
challenge of balancing the sometimes conflicting ideas from a large
community spread across the globe.

I want to thank the LOC for all their hard, often unseen work.

Also, I don't see a problem with OSGeo being the "host" of FOSS4G as well
as being a sponsor of FOSS4G.  IMHO, "presented by OSGeo", as was agreed
to, makes it clear that FOSS4G is a OSGeo event.

On Jul 3, 2017 05:49, "Guido Stein"  wrote:

Good morning folks,

First, I have no problem making adjustments to the website. It's not a big
deal and can be done rather quickly.

That said, I am a bit frustrated and disheartened by this conversation. The
tone to me feels aggressive and discounts the reality of the work that the
LOC has put into this. While Maxi just noticed this, the website and
discussion about this choice has been had in the conference committee and
codified in the RFP. To me, the urgency that is being put on this request
is upsetting.

I believe Maxi and anyone else should voice their opinions in public, but
with 42 days left until the conference and with both a conference and
marketing committee present and functional, it is a little painful to hear
that "the community" as Maxi puts it (which in this thread represents 5
people ) think that we, the FOSS4G LOC, are not giving OSGeo its proper
?exposure? or ?title?.

I have been working on this project for 2 years and we, the LOC, have been
following all the guidance set out by the RFP

and
the conference committee. The RFP has this to say about what is
required/requested:

The conference name will be 'FOSS4G 2017 presented by OSGeo'.

This guidance has been a part of the website since it began and has been a
part of the current design since the site took on it's current design in
September. So the site has been up for about 12 months and the current
design, which includes OSGeo as a Gold Sponsor has been up for 9 months.

The reason that OSGeo is listed under Gold Sponsor comes from a
conversation on the conference dev list. In order to insure that OSGeo has
clear privileges (booth, tickets, etc...) it was decided that OSGeo should
be treated as a Gold Sponsor, which includes having their logo presented as
such. To me, this does not suggest that their gold sponsor status is the
only role they play.

We, the LOC, have been incredibly honored to work on this project and hope
that we represent the OSGeo community to the best of our ability. To be
clear, no matter how the website is interpreted, OSGeo is at the center of
all the work that the LOC has been doing. We, the LOC, have always made it
clear that the FOSS4G is here to promote and support the OSGeo community of
projects and local chapters. We, the LOC, have helped to bring new sponsors
to the table and building new relationships to the OSGeo foundation. We
have also helped to create opportunities to promote OSGeo at other events
such as OSCON and the AAG.

I appreciate Maxi's concern on the positioning of OSGeo's brand and would
like to work with him, the marketing committee, and the conference
committee on making sure that the OSGeo brand is well placed. I would hope
that Maxi and the rest of the community would realize that with 42 days
until the conference the LOC is hard at work with daily and sometimes
hourly tasks focused on the event planning and logistics. I hope that
between the marketing and conference committees that Maxi's concerns can be
addressed and that the board does not have to weigh in on how the
conference is run directly.

Thank you all for your consideration and I look forward to seeing you in
Boston,

Guido Stein
Co-Chair
FOSS4G Boston 2017 presented by OSGeo





On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 5:02 AM Till Adams  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I also agree with Maxi.
>
> I think the point we have to care about is that OSGeo is visible
> prominently on the F4G-conference-website and also during the
> conference. We put a strong focus on OSGeo-presence in 2016.
>
> Till
>
>
>
> Am 03.07.2017 um 09:17 schrieb andrea antonello:
> > Hi all,
> > I completely agree with Massimiliano. There is a huge difference
> > between host and sponsor.
> >
> > That said, I understand Brad's points and also would never want for
> > this to end in additional costs.
> >
> > But this should be considered as something to keep well in mind.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Andrea
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 1:17 AM, Puneet Kishor 
> wrote:
> >> As a (nominal) Charter Member, I personally couldn't care about this
> issue. As long as everyone involved is for the same higher purpose, who is

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] OSGeo is the host of FOSS4G not a guest

2017-07-03 Thread Werner Leyh 
Hi Guido, thanks for your constructive contribution. 
Best wishes for "Boston 2017 presented by OSGeo"
Werner


On Mon, 7/3/17, Guido Stein  wrote:

 Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] OSGeo is the host of FOSS4G not a guest
 To: "Till Adams" , discuss@lists.osgeo.org
 Date: Monday, July 3, 2017, 12:49 PM
 
 Good
 morning folks,
 First, I have
 no problem making adjustments to the website. It's not a
 big deal and can be done rather quickly.
 That said, I am a bit frustrated and
 disheartened by this conversation. The tone to me feels
 aggressive and discounts the reality of the work that the
 LOC has put into this. While Maxi just noticed this, the
 website and discussion about this choice has been had in the
 conference committee and codified in the RFP. To me, the
 urgency that is being put on this request is
 upsetting.
 I believe
 Maxi and anyone else should voice their opinions in public,
 but with 42 days left until the conference and with both a
 conference and marketing committee present and functional,
 it is a little painful to hear that "the
 community" as Maxi puts it (which in this thread
 represents 5 people ) think that we, the FOSS4G LOC, are not
 giving OSGeo its proper ?exposure? or ?title?.
 I have been working on this project
 for 2 years and we, the LOC, have been following all the
 guidance set out by the RFP and
 the conference committee. The RFP has this to say about what
 is required/requested:
     The conference name will be
 'FOSS4G 2017 presented by OSGeo'.
 
 This
 guidance has been a part of the website since it began and
 has been a part of the current design since the site took on
 it's current design in September. So the site has been
 up for about 12 months and the current design, which
 includes OSGeo as a Gold Sponsor has been up for 9
 months.
 The reason
 that OSGeo is listed under Gold Sponsor comes from a
 conversation on the conference dev list. In order to insure
 that OSGeo has clear privileges (booth, tickets, etc...) it
 was decided that OSGeo should be treated as a Gold Sponsor,
 which includes having their logo presented as such. To me,
 this does not suggest that their gold sponsor status is the
 only role they play.
 We, the LOC, have been incredibly
 honored to work on this project and hope that we represent
 the OSGeo community to the best of our ability. To be clear,
 no matter how the website is interpreted, OSGeo is at the
 center of all the work that the LOC has been doing. We, the
 LOC, have always made it clear that the FOSS4G is here to
 promote and support the OSGeo community of projects and
 local chapters. We, the LOC, have helped to bring new
 sponsors to the table and building new relationships to the
 OSGeo foundation. We have also helped to create
 opportunities to promote OSGeo at other events such as OSCON
 and the AAG. 
 I
 appreciate Maxi's concern on the positioning of
 OSGeo's brand and would like to work with him, the
 marketing committee, and the conference committee on making
 sure that the OSGeo brand is well placed. I would hope that
 Maxi and the rest of the community would realize that with
 42 days until the conference the LOC is hard at work with
 daily and sometimes hourly tasks focused on the event
 planning and logistics. I hope that between the marketing
 and conference committees that Maxi's concerns can be
 addressed and that the board does not have to weigh in on
 how the conference is run directly.
 Thank you all for your consideration
 and I look forward to seeing you in Boston,
 Guido
 SteinCo-ChairFOSS4G Boston 2017
 presented by OSGeo
 
 
 
 
 On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 5:02 AM Till Adams 
 wrote:
 Hi,
 
 
 
 I also agree with Maxi.
 
 
 
 I think the point we have to care about is that OSGeo is
 visible
 
 prominently on the F4G-conference-website and also during
 the
 
 conference. We put a strong focus on OSGeo-presence in
 2016.
 
 
 
 Till
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Am 03.07.2017 um 09:17 schrieb andrea antonello:
 
 > Hi all,
 
 > I completely agree with Massimiliano. There is a huge
 difference
 
 > between host and sponsor.
 
 >
 
 > That said, I understand Brad's points and also
 would never want for
 
 > this to end in additional costs.
 
 >
 
 > But this should be considered as something to keep well
 in mind.
 
 >
 
 > Regards,
 
 > Andrea
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >
 
 >
 
 > On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 1:17 AM, Puneet Kishor 
 wrote:
 
 >> As a (nominal) Charter Member, I personally
 couldn't care about this issue. As long as everyone
 involved is for the same higher purpose, who is sponsoring
 who or supporting what is just details. Move on and focus on
 the bigger tasks.
 
 >>
 
 >>> On Jul 2, 2017, at 5:47 PM, Brad Hards 
 wrote:
 
 >>>
 
 >>> Professor Cannata,
 
 >>>
 
  Your answer clarifies that OSGeo has not
 paid for being listed as sponsor.

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] OSGeo is the host of FOSS4G not a guest

2017-07-03 Thread Guido Stein 
Good morning folks,

First, I have no problem making adjustments to the website. It's not a big
deal and can be done rather quickly.

That said, I am a bit frustrated and disheartened by this conversation. The
tone to me feels aggressive and discounts the reality of the work that the
LOC has put into this. While Maxi just noticed this, the website and
discussion about this choice has been had in the conference committee and
codified in the RFP. To me, the urgency that is being put on this request
is upsetting.

I believe Maxi and anyone else should voice their opinions in public, but
with 42 days left until the conference and with both a conference and
marketing committee present and functional, it is a little painful to hear
that "the community" as Maxi puts it (which in this thread represents 5
people ) think that we, the FOSS4G LOC, are not giving OSGeo its proper
?exposure? or ?title?.

I have been working on this project for 2 years and we, the LOC, have been
following all the guidance set out by the RFP

and
the conference committee. The RFP has this to say about what is
required/requested:

The conference name will be 'FOSS4G 2017 presented by OSGeo'.

This guidance has been a part of the website since it began and has been a
part of the current design since the site took on it's current design in
September. So the site has been up for about 12 months and the current
design, which includes OSGeo as a Gold Sponsor has been up for 9 months.

The reason that OSGeo is listed under Gold Sponsor comes from a
conversation on the conference dev list. In order to insure that OSGeo has
clear privileges (booth, tickets, etc...) it was decided that OSGeo should
be treated as a Gold Sponsor, which includes having their logo presented as
such. To me, this does not suggest that their gold sponsor status is the
only role they play.

We, the LOC, have been incredibly honored to work on this project and hope
that we represent the OSGeo community to the best of our ability. To be
clear, no matter how the website is interpreted, OSGeo is at the center of
all the work that the LOC has been doing. We, the LOC, have always made it
clear that the FOSS4G is here to promote and support the OSGeo community of
projects and local chapters. We, the LOC, have helped to bring new sponsors
to the table and building new relationships to the OSGeo foundation. We
have also helped to create opportunities to promote OSGeo at other events
such as OSCON and the AAG.

I appreciate Maxi's concern on the positioning of OSGeo's brand and would
like to work with him, the marketing committee, and the conference
committee on making sure that the OSGeo brand is well placed. I would hope
that Maxi and the rest of the community would realize that with 42 days
until the conference the LOC is hard at work with daily and sometimes
hourly tasks focused on the event planning and logistics. I hope that
between the marketing and conference committees that Maxi's concerns can be
addressed and that the board does not have to weigh in on how the
conference is run directly.

Thank you all for your consideration and I look forward to seeing you in
Boston,

Guido Stein
Co-Chair
FOSS4G Boston 2017 presented by OSGeo





On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 5:02 AM Till Adams  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I also agree with Maxi.
>
> I think the point we have to care about is that OSGeo is visible
> prominently on the F4G-conference-website and also during the
> conference. We put a strong focus on OSGeo-presence in 2016.
>
> Till
>
>
>
> Am 03.07.2017 um 09:17 schrieb andrea antonello:
> > Hi all,
> > I completely agree with Massimiliano. There is a huge difference
> > between host and sponsor.
> >
> > That said, I understand Brad's points and also would never want for
> > this to end in additional costs.
> >
> > But this should be considered as something to keep well in mind.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Andrea
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 1:17 AM, Puneet Kishor 
> wrote:
> >> As a (nominal) Charter Member, I personally couldn't care about this
> issue. As long as everyone involved is for the same higher purpose, who is
> sponsoring who or supporting what is just details. Move on and focus on the
> bigger tasks.
> >>
> >>> On Jul 2, 2017, at 5:47 PM, Brad Hards  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Professor Cannata,
> >>>
>  Your answer clarifies that OSGeo has not paid for being listed as
> sponsor.
> 
>  This doesn't change my idea that OSGeo shouldn't be listed as a
> sponsor an
>  thus
> 
>  I renew my request to the board for removing OSGeo from that list and
> from
>  any material listing OSGeo together (at the same level and/or same
> list of
>  sponsors).
> 
>  That's because the marketing message it brings is clearly undesired
> and not
>  respectful of the true.
> >>> I'm

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] OSGeo is the host of FOSS4G not a guest

2017-07-03 Thread Puneet Kishor 
Well, I am a part of the community, and I don't agree, not with this point of 
view and not with how similar conversations keep recurring. This is not the 
OSGeo that I recognize anymore, for this one seems more concerned with how it 
is perceived than what it does.

I'm outta here …

--
Puneet Kishor
Just Another Creative Commoner
http://punkish.org/About

> On Jul 3, 2017, at 3:59 AM, Massimiliano Cannata 
>  wrote:
> 
> given that the board and the community agree with my point of view :-)
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2017-07-03 Thread Till Adams 
Hi,

I also agree with Maxi.

I think the point we have to care about is that OSGeo is visible
prominently on the F4G-conference-website and also during the
conference. We put a strong focus on OSGeo-presence in 2016.

Till



Am 03.07.2017 um 09:17 schrieb andrea antonello:
> Hi all,
> I completely agree with Massimiliano. There is a huge difference
> between host and sponsor.
>
> That said, I understand Brad's points and also would never want for
> this to end in additional costs.
>
> But this should be considered as something to keep well in mind.
>
> Regards,
> Andrea
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 1:17 AM, Puneet Kishor  wrote:
>> As a (nominal) Charter Member, I personally couldn't care about this issue. 
>> As long as everyone involved is for the same higher purpose, who is 
>> sponsoring who or supporting what is just details. Move on and focus on the 
>> bigger tasks.
>>
>>> On Jul 2, 2017, at 5:47 PM, Brad Hards  wrote:
>>>
>>> Professor Cannata,
>>>
 Your answer clarifies that OSGeo has not paid for being listed as sponsor.

 This doesn't change my idea that OSGeo shouldn't be listed as a sponsor an
 thus

 I renew my request to the board for removing OSGeo from that list and from
 any material listing OSGeo together (at the same level and/or same list of
 sponsors).

 That's because the marketing message it brings is clearly undesired and not
 respectful of the true.
>>> I'm not a charter member or associated with the FOSS4G organisers, but 
>>> having
>>> attended a FOSS4G event and having been part of a volunteer conference
>>> organisation, I respectfully ask that you reconsider. This is a very late
>>> change to a lot of conference materials, and at a particularly bad time for
>>> the organisers.
>>>
>>> In software terms, I'm not suggesting that your proposal isn't a valid 
>>> change,
>>> just that it is too late in the release cycle.
>>>
>>> If nothing else, consider the environmental impact of all that stuff being
>>> junked.
>>>
>>> Brad
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] OSGeo is the host of FOSS4G not a guest

2017-07-03 Thread Massimiliano Cannata 
+1 Andrea,
this was my intention: not produce additional costs but fix ASAP what is
possible (e.g.: website)

given that the board and the community agree with my point of view :-)

Maxi

2017-07-03 9:17 GMT+02:00 andrea antonello :

> Hi all,
> I completely agree with Massimiliano. There is a huge difference
> between host and sponsor.
>
> That said, I understand Brad's points and also would never want for
> this to end in additional costs.
>
> But this should be considered as something to keep well in mind.
>
> Regards,
> Andrea
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 1:17 AM, Puneet Kishor  wrote:
> > As a (nominal) Charter Member, I personally couldn't care about this
> issue. As long as everyone involved is for the same higher purpose, who is
> sponsoring who or supporting what is just details. Move on and focus on the
> bigger tasks.
> >
> >> On Jul 2, 2017, at 5:47 PM, Brad Hards  wrote:
> >>
> >> Professor Cannata,
> >>
> >>> Your answer clarifies that OSGeo has not paid for being listed as
> sponsor.
> >>>
> >>> This doesn't change my idea that OSGeo shouldn't be listed as a
> sponsor an
> >>> thus
> >>>
> >>> I renew my request to the board for removing OSGeo from that list and
> from
> >>> any material listing OSGeo together (at the same level and/or same
> list of
> >>> sponsors).
> >>>
> >>> That's because the marketing message it brings is clearly undesired
> and not
> >>> respectful of the true.
> >>
> >> I'm not a charter member or associated with the FOSS4G organisers, but
> having
> >> attended a FOSS4G event and having been part of a volunteer conference
> >> organisation, I respectfully ask that you reconsider. This is a very
> late
> >> change to a lot of conference materials, and at a particularly bad time
> for
> >> the organisers.
> >>
> >> In software terms, I'm not suggesting that your proposal isn't a valid
> change,
> >> just that it is too late in the release cycle.
> >>
> >> If nothing else, consider the environmental impact of all that stuff
> being
> >> junked.
> >>
> >> Brad
> >>
> >>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] OSGeo is the host of FOSS4G not a guest

2017-07-02 Thread Puneet Kishor 
As a (nominal) Charter Member, I personally couldn't care about this issue. As 
long as everyone involved is for the same higher purpose, who is sponsoring who 
or supporting what is just details. Move on and focus on the bigger tasks.

> On Jul 2, 2017, at 5:47 PM, Brad Hards  wrote:
> 
> Professor Cannata,
> 
>> Your answer clarifies that OSGeo has not paid for being listed as sponsor.
>> 
>> This doesn't change my idea that OSGeo shouldn't be listed as a sponsor an
>> thus
>> 
>> I renew my request to the board for removing OSGeo from that list and from
>> any material listing OSGeo together (at the same level and/or same list of
>> sponsors).
>> 
>> That's because the marketing message it brings is clearly undesired and not
>> respectful of the true.
> 
> I'm not a charter member or associated with the FOSS4G organisers, but having 
> attended a FOSS4G event and having been part of a volunteer conference 
> organisation, I respectfully ask that you reconsider. This is a very late 
> change to a lot of conference materials, and at a particularly bad time for 
> the organisers.
> 
> In software terms, I'm not suggesting that your proposal isn't a valid 
> change, 
> just that it is too late in the release cycle.
> 
> If nothing else, consider the environmental impact of all that stuff being 
> junked.
> 
> Brad
> 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] OSGeo is the host of FOSS4G not a guest

2017-07-02 Thread Brad Hards 
Professor Cannata,

> Your answer clarifies that OSGeo has not paid for being listed as sponsor.
>
> This doesn't change my idea that OSGeo shouldn't be listed as a sponsor an
> thus
>
> I renew my request to the board for removing OSGeo from that list and from
> any material listing OSGeo together (at the same level and/or same list of
> sponsors).
>
> That's because the marketing message it brings is clearly undesired and not
> respectful of the true.

I'm not a charter member or associated with the FOSS4G organisers, but having 
attended a FOSS4G event and having been part of a volunteer conference 
organisation, I respectfully ask that you reconsider. This is a very late 
change to a lot of conference materials, and at a particularly bad time for 
the organisers.

In software terms, I'm not suggesting that your proposal isn't a valid change, 
just that it is too late in the release cycle.

If nothing else, consider the environmental impact of all that stuff being 
junked.

Brad


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] OSGeo is the host of FOSS4G not a guest

2017-07-02 Thread Jody Garnett 
Maxi are you concerned about the impression being listed on the sponsors
page provides? The board has never approved a "gold sponsorship", it looks
like this was something negotiated on the conference-dev list as part of
accepting the proposal.

With respect to OSGeo taking financial risk, and being host of the the
event. I like how it is handled for .foss4g-na.org - "An event by OSGeo"
would be appropriate.

Personally: this is a tricky one because of how we setup foss4g a little
bit at arms length, accepting bids from local organizing committees that
have gathered to gather to run the event. I do not mind OSGeo being listed
as a sponsor, if we choose to sponsor the event in order to have booth
space. I would love if we paid for that up front in order to not put the
LOC out financially. In this sense I do feel that FOSS4G is a collaboration
between OSGeo (taking financial risk) and LOC (doing the work, and taking a
risk putting time into the application process). Since the LOC provide the
feet on the ground I do sometimes feel that OSGeo is a guest at these
events, especially when the AGM is hard to schedule.








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On 2 July 2017 at 01:22, Massimiliano Cannata  wrote:

> Dear community and board members,
> Today I found out that OSGeo is a a SPONSOR of the FOSS4G-2017 Boston
> conference.
>
> This is disappointing me !
>
> At least for two reasons:
>
> 1- foss4g is the OSGeo's conference, so OSGeo is the host not a guest
> (have you ever seen AGU sponsoring it's annual event?)
>
> 2- OSGeo is already providing seed and risk exposure money so it shouldn't
> need to pay for get exposure or being listed in the sponsor page.
>
> So, as an OSGeo charter member, I formally ask the board to remove OSGeo
> from the sponsor list !
>
> Regards
> Maxi
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] OSGeo is the host of FOSS4G not a guest

2017-07-02 Thread Massimiliano Cannata 
Dear Michael,
Your answer clarifies that OSGeo has not paid for being listed as sponsor.

This doesn't change my idea that OSGeo shouldn't be listed as a sponsor an
thus

I renew my request to the board for removing OSGeo from that list and from
any material listing OSGeo together (at the same level and/or same list of
sponsors).

That's because the marketing message it brings is clearly undesired and not
respectful of the true.

As I said, I just noticed this yesterday otherwise I would have talked
before ;-)
but this doesn't change anything..

Finally, to be clear, this has nothing personal with the organisers and I
understood the positive willing to give more visibility to OSGeo. I also
recognize publicly the great work the Boston team is doing but this is
simply wrong.

Maxi






Il 02 lug 2017 3:21 PM, "Michael Terner"  ha scritto:

Maxi:
I think you may misunderstand what is going on:

   1. YES, OSGeo is *hosting* FOSS4G. Our opening block on the website
    *also *says "Presented by OSGeo" (using
   language requested by OSGeo and the OSGeo logo).
   2. OSGeo did *not* pay anything for the Gold sponsorship. It was
   provided as an "in kind" privilege respecting the "advance" (see $'s and
   risk coverage) that was provided, which *is* materially very valuable.
   We have a couple of other "in kind" sponsors including Harvard University
   which is providing workshop space, and District Hall which provided a deep
   discount on our use of their space for the Code Sprint, and other things.
   3. We described adding OSGeo as a Gold Sponsor in our proposal for
   hosting FOSS4G that was delivered to Conference Dev. This was a convenient
   and useful way for us to provide OSGeo things like a booth, and free passes
   which are sponsor privileges.

Obviously, this is OSGeo's call and we will do what the Board wishes, but
this is neither new (you were on the website as a Gold Sponsor as soon as
the sponsor page went up), nor unplanned and was conveyed to OSGeo in our
proposal 20 months ago. Also obviously, we think it makes sense and is
accurate.

I hope this helps explain things...

MT

On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 4:22 AM, Massimiliano Cannata <
massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch> wrote:

> Dear community and board members,
> Today I found out that OSGeo is a a SPONSOR of the FOSS4G-2017 Boston
> conference.
>
> This is disappointing me !
>
> At least for two reasons:
>
> 1- foss4g is the OSGeo's conference, so OSGeo is the host not a guest
> (have you ever seen AGU sponsoring it's annual event?)
>
> 2- OSGeo is already providing seed and risk exposure money so it shouldn't
> need to pay for get exposure or being listed in the sponsor page.
>
> So, as an OSGeo charter member, I formally ask the board to remove OSGeo
> from the sponsor list !
>
> Regards
> Maxi
>
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