[slim] Re: Last.fm or Pandora?

2006-02-20 Thread mattybain

jmpage2 Wrote: 
> 
> One thing I forgot to mention is that there are even scrobbler plugins
> for iPod, Rio Karma and other music players for last.fm.  This is
> really cool as when I synch my iPod it uploads a list of all tracks
> I've listened to so that last.fm can add it to my user profile.

Does this actually work? I only question it because of this link direct
from the LastFM website 
http://xurble.org/about/iScrobblerforWindowsFAQ.php where it says "Will
songs I listen to on my iPod be submitted to Audioscrobbler?

Unfortunately not at the moment. The Mac bods have this working, but I
don't have an iPod to implement it. Why not buy me one? I haven't had
time to do anything about it. I believe there are people who are
working on this"

Is there another plugin that will download what is listened to on my
ipod?


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[slim] Re: Roku M500 + slimserver + flac/320CBR mp3 = breakups?

2006-02-20 Thread crooner

Me neither. I do have a laptop in my bedroom but I turn it off when I
listen to music. 

That's the real beauty of the Squeezebox.

I briefly owned the Roku and I returned it immediately. Inferior in 
every way...

snarlydwarf Wrote: 
> and I rarely use the web interface at all...
> 
> that's why i have a remote...
> 
> (and no pc at all in the bedroom where one sb is...)


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Re: [slim] Trouble connecting nokia 770 to slimserver via mac os x/Airport express extreme

2006-02-20 Thread Michael Herger

Has anyone encountered difficulties connecting a nokia 770 to the web
via an apple airport extreme/mac mini setup? is there a specific
firewall port that needs to be opened? i've discussed this issue with


http://www.slimdevices.com/su_faq.html#networking-firewall


nokie "senior technical advisors" who suggest that the airport extreme
does not support the 770, yet i've read many threads on this site and


In the subject you write not being ableo to connect to slimserver - does  
the rest (web access) work?


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[slim] Re: Roku M500 + slimserver + flac/320CBR mp3 = breakups?

2006-02-20 Thread snarlydwarf

and I rarely use the web interface at all...

that's why i have a remote...

(and no pc at all in the bedroom where one sb is...)


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[slim] Re: Roku M500 + slimserver + flac/320CBR mp3 = breakups?

2006-02-20 Thread mkozlows

> Frankly, if you think that slimserver's web ui is a great ui, then you
> need to get out a little

Thanks for the gratuitous insult.  Really classes up the conversation.

> - font sizes are locked down and are very small.  Not all of us have
> 20/15 vision :) 

Font sizes are only locked down if you use IE.  In Firefox, you can
adjust them easily.


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[slim] Re: Roku M500 + slimserver + flac/320CBR mp3 = breakups?

2006-02-20 Thread goofygrin

I don't want to have to add network drops if I can help it (in some
places I can't add them), so I'm stuck at the $250 per (assuming the
$100 off two).  Now if I could get the $100 off two of the sb2's...

I realize the component costs are higher.  When I was trying to
determine if I could manufacture a sonos clone, I came to the
conclusion that the cost of 1-5offing the hardware (let alone writing
the software) was prohibitive.

The hardware in the Squeezeboxen is better... but I mean, $150 is a lot
of diapers and such.


notanatheist Wrote: 
> FWIW, I had a Roku M1000 for a short time (about a week). After picking
> up the Squeezeobx and seeing a HUGE performance difference I
> IMMEDIATELY repackaged the Roku and returned it. There  is just no
> comparing them. If you want to justify the $250 then buy two without
> wireless and it's only $200 each AND you get a VFD display. The M500 is
> LCD. Trust me, you'll thank everyone here if you do. If the $100 off for
> two promo isn't going still then kindly ask Sean if he'll do it for you.


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[slim] Re: Roku M500 + slimserver + flac/320CBR mp3 = breakups?

2006-02-20 Thread goofygrin

mkozlows Wrote: 
> Boy, mileage really does vary.  I love SlimServer's UI, and think that
> not only is it a great Web app, but that it's also the best media
> player I've used.
> 
> (As for the IE clicking, the solution to that is to use Firefox for
> SlimServer.)

Holy war territory, but if IE didn't have the security holes (not that
FF and all the others are really secure) and wasn't made by microsoft,
then people would use the heck out of it.  Personally, I hate FireFox
and all the other wanna be browsers.  Why can't an app just do what it
needs to do?

Tabbed browsing?  Why?  You can't alt-tab between browsers then? 
(anyone who programs-by-google knows how necessary having lots of
browser windows open at one time is).

The only things that are nice with firefox are: greasemonkey scripts
(when they work) and the javascript debugger.  Everything else
(including it's inability to render websites) isn't worth my time.

99% of my clients standardize on IE... most don't allow any other
browser in their environment (from a support perspective).

Frankly, if you think that slimserver's web ui is a great ui, then you
need to get out a little (I realize I'm kinda peeing on the host's
dinner table and all, but I can be a little blunt sometimes :D).  

There's some good in the UI, but there is *loads* of room for
improvement.  I'd say that if SlimDevices wants to get mass market
appeal, then the app has to become significantly more user friendly. 
Joe Bob can't figure out how to get rid of AOL (but he can download
mp3s via spyware loaded kazaa) and he wants one of them mp3 streamer
thingees to get mp3s to his buddies trailer next door so they can play
the same thing at the same time and have a real hoot hollerin' time!
(sorry I live in Texas, so I can go there LOL).  You expect him to be
able to grok all of the crap going on in slimserver?  How links don't
look like links until you hunt them down and put your mouse over it
(remember that most people don't know its a link unless it's
underlined).

Here's what I'd change (in no order):

- get rid of the frames.
- separate out the admin stuff.  Go to tabs.  Floating divs (see
meebo.com for examples).  Something.  Make it an MDI in a webpage for
all I care.  There's too much going on here and it's really confusing.
- use ajax rather than meta refreshes.  That would solve some of the
timing issues I get as well.
- drag and drop
- dynamic reordering
- font sizes are locked down and are very small.  Not all of us have
20/15 vision :)
- I'm thouroghly confused with the whole "left side has config and
browse my playlist stuff and right side has a control for the media
player downstairs/in the other room stuff".  If I was joe bob, and I
see a play button, I'd be wondering why isn't it playing in my window? 
Why did the box in Jimmy Joe Jack's trailer just start making noise?
- Someone else mentioned that their spouse can't use the UI, they
prefer Itunes.  Man I hate Itunes.  That's a horrible Windows UI (slow,
buggy, controls are not consistent with other windows apps).  But it's
simple.  Once you learn a couple quirks, you can play music.  With
slimserver, the cost of entry is too high.  There's no way I could get
people to use this without lots of help.

Look at all the major players in the media player space: winamp,
windows media player, itunes, etc.  They are all simple to use, support
drag and drop, do what you expect them to do, etc.  It's not a case of
trying to break the mold... it's a case of going across the grain and
making it painful to gain acceptance.

If slimdevices wants to get out of the niche market, they'll need to be
more competitive from a software and pricing standpoint...


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[slim] Re: Roku M500 + slimserver + flac/320CBR mp3 = breakups?

2006-02-20 Thread notanatheist

FWIW, I had a Roku M1000 for a short time (about a week). After picking
up the Squeezeobx and seeing a HUGE performance difference I
IMMEDIATELY repackaged the Roku and returned it. There  is just no
comparing them. If you want to justify the $250 then buy two without
wireless and it's only $200 each AND you get a VFD display. The M500 is
LCD. Trust me, you'll thank everyone here if you do. If the $100 off for
two promo isn't going still then kindly ask Sean if he'll do it for you.


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[slim] Re: Roku M500 + slimserver + flac/320CBR mp3 = breakups?

2006-02-20 Thread mkozlows

goofygrin Wrote: 
> 
> It's the server web software.  It's painful.  It feels like it was
> written in 2003 or something.  The meta refreshes drive me nuts in IE
> with the clicking. 

Boy, mileage really does vary.  I love SlimServer's UI, and think that
not only is it a great Web app, but that it's also the best media
player I've used.

(As for the IE clicking, the solution to that is to use Firefox for
SlimServer.)


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[slim] Re: Roku M500 + slimserver + flac/320CBR mp3 = breakups?

2006-02-20 Thread goofygrin

seanadams Wrote: 
> heh - why do you think I'm posting here 24hrs a day?

:D (I just snuck upstairs before bed -- she'll be calling my phone
soon!)

> WRT to the user interface, I forgot to mention: to get a better idea of
> what Squeezebox is like, you might want to try out SoftSqueeze. You'll
> see the high-res display, fast response time, FLAC support etc. Roku's
> remote was not designed for our interface, so it's a bit funky to use.

It's not the unit's interface that's the problem.  I used softsqueeze
(ugh, java) for a week or so before the Roku got here.  It's quirky,
but it's not horribly difficult to figure out (the hardest part was the
arrows to get around, I'm much more used to clicking "OK" to choose
something, not hitting the right arrow).

It's the server web software.  It's painful.  It feels like it was
written in 2003 or something.  The meta refreshes drive me nuts in IE
with the clicking.  I keep finding features I didn't know about (which
is a good thing as there's lots of features), but they seem buried.

I've seen some suggestions on here for an ajax-y web app similar to
google maps, and I really think that if you were to take the time to
build a good app, that a non techy person could use (even have a
"party" mode that makes it super simple to control), you'd be way ahead
of the game.  The Sonos has it's weaknesses, but the controller is
really what makes it awesome.

Again, I'm a developer who does a lot of web apps (not websites, two
very different things) for corporate clients.  Been doing ajax since
before it was ajax... Google has really upped the ante (and I'm happy
since it's driving a lot of business :D)


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[slim] Re: Squeezebox for the Blind?

2006-02-20 Thread seanadams

zuvembi Wrote: 
> One of my more clueful coworkers was talking to me about the Squeezebox.
> He's especially interested in it because of the ability to control a
> stereo component via web browser instead of "memorizing a remote" as he
> put it.  As you might guess from the thread title, he is completely
> blind.
> 
> So that's one good feature the Slimserver has as an Accessability
> enabler.  
> 
> What other base features or plugins are available that might help him?
> 
> I'm especially wondering if anyone has done any text to speech plugins?
> i.e. something like Festival being used between tracks to announce the
> next song.

I've been using our remote long enough that I frequently control the
squeezebox without looking at the remote or the display. A few things
that come to mind:

- Once you have a playlist queued up, basic controls are just a matter
or remembering where ff/rw/pause/vol keys are. One scenario might be to
make one really large playlist, then only enable the up/down and "play"
buttons. The playlist can then be navigated by remembering the order of
the songs and scrolling up or down to get to where you want (no
heirarchy requiring visual feedback to browse).

- You may want to disable some other keys such as power - one less
state you don't want changing without visual feedback (this can be done
easily in Slim_Devices_Remote.ir).

- I believe there's a plugin that lets you press and hold a number key
to call up a predefined playlist. If there isn't then there should be.
:)

A text-to-speech plugin that plays through the stereo system for
navigating and choosing songs doesn't exist yet. However as you say, a
text-to-speech-compatible web skin might be the easiest approach.


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Re: [slim] Can I use iTunes, just not for podcasts?

2006-02-20 Thread kdf

Quoting superbad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:



I'm using iTunes to manage my library, but I don't want to use it for
podcasts (because I don't launch iTunes often enough to update the
podcasts with sufficient frequency). I've entered a bunch of podcasts
in the plugins section on Slimserver, but the Podacsts menu item
remains empty. When I had podcasts subscribed in iTunes (since
deleted), they did show up in Slimserver. Ideas?


different kind of content, different UI.

You are recalling the iTunes podcast menu item.  If you add podcasts  
in the plugins section, those are only available via the Podcast  
Browser in the plugins menu.  There is no web interface for that  
feature at this time.


If you go into player settings->menus, then you have the option of  
making the Podcast Browser a top level menu item for easy access.


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[slim] Can I use iTunes, just not for podcasts?

2006-02-20 Thread superbad

I'm using iTunes to manage my library, but I don't want to use it for
podcasts (because I don't launch iTunes often enough to update the
podcasts with sufficient frequency). I've entered a bunch of podcasts
in the plugins section on Slimserver, but the Podacsts menu item
remains empty. When I had podcasts subscribed in iTunes (since
deleted), they did show up in Slimserver. Ideas?

This is on XP, SS 6.2.1.


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[slim] Re: Accessing slimserversql.db contents

2006-02-20 Thread TellyBoots

My first post so go easy on me if this has already been addressed... ;)

To create a list of all artists/albums/songs I added all my songs into
the playlist in Slimserver and saved it.  I then opened that playlist
(*.m3u - an ASCII text written using backslash ( \ ) as the delimiter)
in Excel, selected 'delimited' and then checked 'tab' as well as
'other' and entered '\' in the other box.  You'll need to massage the
Excel file a bit (delete the 1st two columns and sort to get rid of the
blank rows) but it should be good to go.

Again, sorry if this was known to all but I couldn't seem to find this
simple answer in the threads.


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[slim] Re: Squeezebox for the Blind?

2006-02-20 Thread Mark Lanctot

See here:

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20932

It looks like the best program to control the SlimServer web page would
be Dragon Naturally Speaking.

This "Festival" program you mention forms the other part of the
equation, audible feedback of the page to the user.  Looks quite
complicated though, although it is free.


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Re: [slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin

2006-02-20 Thread kdf


On 20-Feb-06, at 7:54 PM, bklaas wrote:



that certainly implies JPG is the format you need.


.gif works too
-k

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[slim] Re: Roku M500 + slimserver + flac/320CBR mp3 = breakups?

2006-02-20 Thread seanadams

goofygrin Wrote: 
> Sean you must not be married :)
> 

heh - why do you think I'm posting here 24hrs a day?

WRT to the user interface, I forgot to mention: to get a better idea of
what Squeezebox is like, you might want to try out SoftSqueeze. You'll
see the high-res display, fast response time, FLAC support etc. Roku's
remote was not designed for our interface, so it's a bit funky to use.


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[slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin

2006-02-20 Thread bklaas


A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the
results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19369

Question: Do you have a 770?

- Got it
- Want it
- Need it
- Forget it


ebag4 Wrote: 
> I apoligize if this has been answered elsewhere but I did a search and
> could not find it.  
> 
> Over the last few years I have used PC based audio.  Because of this my
> database has been put together over time.  One of my previous front ends
> used bitmap files for album art.  Is there a way to get the Nokia 770
> skin to recognize bitmap files?
> 
> Thanks,
> Ed

slimserver wants jpg's. AFAIK, this is a server task, not a skin task.
I'd consider trying to convert your bmps to jpgs. bmp, IMO, is a really
lame image format anyway.

>From Server Settings->Interface->Artwork:
"Images of album artwork, when available, are displayed when viewing an
album or song information. Artwork images are found in the ID3 tags for
individual songs or can reside in the same folder as song files. By
default, images named "cover.jpg", "albumartsmall.jpg", "folder.jpg",
"album.jpg", or "thumb.jpg" are used. You can specify an additional
file name to use for album art images. You can specify different file
names for thumbnail or full size images. Prefix the option with % and
you can follow it with any string made up of the same elements
available for Title Formats (eq %ARTIST - ALBUM, will look for Artist -
Album.jpg to fit the artist and album information found."

that certainly implies JPG is the format you need.

cheers,
#!/ben


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[slim] Re: Documenting the use of tags in Slimserver

2006-02-20 Thread JJZolx

dborn Wrote: 
> Now I just need to figure out how to deal with albums by one main artist
> that have "contributors" for certain songs. Probably setting "album
> artist/band" (TPE2) set to the main artist and "artist" (TPE1) set to
> the contributor(s) will do the trick. For those albums, do I need to
> set all tracks "album artist" = main artist even if certain tracks
> don't have other contributors? should the artist tag be left blank?
> (this might confuse other "simpler" players though?)
I think that's pretty much what you want to do.  Set
ALBUMARTIST/BAND/TPE2 identically for all the tracks on the album, even
if there are no ARTIST tags.  I think SlimServer might get confused
otherwise and you could see the album appear more than once in the db.

You might also duplicate the ALBUMARTIST as an ARTIST tag for all
tracks on the album.  I don't think any harm will come from doing so.

Sometimes, you just have to experiment with a couple albums and retag
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[slim] Re: Switching Off the Server

2006-02-20 Thread Gildahl

Hibernate or Stand-by can be activated on a schedule using AutoHotKey
from www.autohotkey.com.  This free open source scripting utility lets
you control many system level operations very easily.  I created a
simple script as shown below.  I then created a windows schedule task
to execute this script at 11:00 every night.  So far I haven't figured
out a free way to ensure that no one is using the SB prior to
hibernation, but since everyone is normally asleep by this time, this
script/task in combination with WOL is a pretty good compromise.


; Call the Windows API function "SetSuspendState" to have the system
suspend or hibernate.
; Windows 95/NT4: Since this function does not exist, the following
call would have no effect.
; Parameter #1: Pass 1 instead of 0 to hibernate rather than suspend.
; Parameter #2: Pass 1 instead of 0 to request permission from each
application prior to suspending.
; Parameter #3: Pass 1 instead of 0 to disable all wake events.

DllCall("PowrProf\SetSuspendState", "int", 1, "int", 0, "int", 0)


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[slim] Re: Roku M500 + slimserver + flac/320CBR mp3 = breakups?

2006-02-20 Thread goofygrin

Sean you must not be married :)

My wife sees $100 vs. $300 and the conversation ends.  Period.  If I'm
going to spend $300 per room, I'm going to look much closer at the
Sonos because their remote is way better and wife friendly.  Their 40k
song limit + some other things hold me back.  Eventually I'm looking at
4+ devices, and that's when the whole $100 vs. $300 ($250 when you buy
two) comes into play.

I set up slimserver to auto transcode to 256kbps and its helping... I
think its the 802.11b + little buffer working against me here...  My
server's got the spare cycles, so I'm good there...

Frankly I dislike slimserver too.  As a application developer I feel
like I'm playing some some high school project whenever I have to do
something in it.  It's just not a good UI.  I'd prefer to not have to
run a server software, but I understand why it's there (to manage large
libraries).

Thanks for responding.  Luckily I didn't spend a lot on the Roku and
can probably make my money back on ol' ebay if I need to.


seanadams Wrote: 
> the problem is also that the m500 is using a small buffer and has a
> questionable TCP/IP stack. Sorry, it is just not likely to do what you
> need.
> 
> I'd suggest trying out the Squeezebox3 with the 30-day return policy in
> mind. If you have any modest amount of time and/or money invested in
> your music collection, I'm certain you will find it's worth every
> penny especially since you're using FLAC, which I suppose means you
> want the best sound quality!


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[slim] Re: Roku M500 + slimserver + flac/320CBR mp3 = breakups?

2006-02-20 Thread seanadams

the problem is also that the m500 is using a small buffer and has a
questionable TCP/IP stack. Sorry, it is just not likely to do what you
need.

I'd suggest trying out the Squeezebox3 with the 30-day return policy in
mind. If you have any modest amount of time and/or money invested in
your music collection, I'm certain you will find it's worth every
penny especially since you're using FLAC, which I suppose means you
want the best sound quality!


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[slim] Re: Documenting the use of tags in Slimserver

2006-02-20 Thread dborn

Yes, thanks Geoff.

Doing that little subset allowed me to quickly fix most of my problems.
The "disc" and "discc" tags ended up just being "user-entered tags" so
the one I had to use was "discnumber" or something similar (the one
that gets mapped to TPOS) and that worked.

Now I have my multi-disc sets properly identified and the purely
"various artists" also. Now I just need to figure out how to deal with
albums by one main artist that have "contributors" for certain songs.
Probably setting "album artist/band" (TPE2) set to the main artist and
"artist" (TPE1) set to the contributor(s) will do the trick. For those
albums, do I need to set all tracks "album artist" = main artist even
if certain tracks don't have other contributors? should the artist tag
be left blank? (this might confuse other "simpler" players though?)

Daniel


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[slim] Re: Drive sector size for music folder?

2006-02-20 Thread nicketynick

Hey Ceejay, can you expand on that a bit?  I've got Partition Magic here
- can I use that to format my 250GB drive with FAT32? (maybe 2
partitions - 1 for back-up, 1 for FLAC files) Which will enable me to
properly use the DLink DNS120 Network Storage Adapter I bought on a
whim, as it only supports NTFS read-only (how useless is that?!?)
Wish I had more time on my hands - I could find these answers by
playing instead of asking!
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[slim] Re: OT: Power line network adaptors (was: Okay, maybe it's time to call it a day...)

2006-02-20 Thread jeffmeh

Jess Askey Wrote: 
> I am in the U.S. and you are correct, we have 3-wire ~240V with a singel
> 
> neutral and two hot ~120V taps that are 180 degress out of phase with a
> 
> seperate ground.
> 
> Maybe the 600V vs. 440V is due to the canadian/US exchange rate. :-P
> 
> 
> Michaelwagner wrote:
> 
> >This might be a good place to say where you are located
> geographically
> >(country is enough).
> >
> >The reason I say this is that homes are wired differently in Europe
> and
> >North America, and for power line network adaptors it may matter.
> >
> >In Europe (at least in Germany where I was), power is 220V, 50Hz, all
> >the outlets in one house can reasonably be expected to be on the same
> >side of the first external power company transformer.
> >
> >This is not true in Canada, and I expect not in the US either.
> >
> >In Canada, houses are supplied with symmettric 3 wire (plus ground)
> >220-240V. That is, 3 wires come into the house, a Neutral (not
> ground),
> >and 2 other wires that are 180° out of phase. 110-120V to the outlets
> is
> >developed in half the house between Neutral and one phase, and in the
> >other half of the house between Neutral and the other phase. So you
> >cannot count on the two outlets you chose being in parallel. They may
> >be on opposite sides of the transformer winding out on the street.
> >
> >I think the same is true in the US, although, frankly, when visiting
> >the US I don't normally poke my head in other people's electrical
> >entranceways, so I can't be sure. :-)
> >
> >FWIW, Canadian factories are supplied with 600V 3 phase, (which is a
> >nice submultiple of a standard transmission voltage) and american
> >factories (for some reason I can't figure out) are 440V 3 phase. And
> >you thought we shared a common power grid?
> >
> >
> >  
> >

If you have standard U.S. wiring and need to run one of these networks
across both sides of the panel, you (or your electrician) can couple
them with a capacitor.  I did this years ago when I was running an X-10
control system.  You can find a better description at
http://www.x10.com/support/x10trou.htm.


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[slim] Trouble connecting nokia 770 to slimserver via mac os x/Airport express extreme

2006-02-20 Thread sabes

Has anyone encountered difficulties connecting a nokia 770 to the web
via an apple airport extreme/mac mini setup? is there a specific
firewall port that needs to be opened? i've discussed this issue with
nokie "senior technical advisors" who suggest that the airport extreme
does not support the 770, yet i've read many threads on this site and
the internettablet.com site where users are merrily functioning with
just my setup. the 770 connects to the wifi network, but i receive an
error message when i attempt to access any web address. help!


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[slim] Re: Help Me Choose / Setup SqueezeBox + Wireless Remote for Wife and Kids

2006-02-20 Thread cshaida

I'd assume that you've been down this path and have rejected it or are
still looking for alternates...but just in case you aren't fully
apprised you should investigate the nokia 770 (mentioned obliquely in a
post above)--very slick skin, long battery life (for this purpose), a
little pricey as a remote ($350) but since you mention sonos (and it
makes a handy lounge-around-the-kitchen-and-surf-the-web device as
well).  Again, on the odd chance you haven't already gone down this
path, ben's got an extensive wiki post with screen shots and
everything.  Perhaps the wife +kids would be charmed by being able to
not only control the music but also on the same device being able to
surf the web for lyrics, bio info, etc...?


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[slim] Re: OT: Power line network adaptors (was: Okay, maybe it's time to call it a day...)

2006-02-20 Thread pedalvet

FWIW I use Belkin Powerline adaptors, and they are the greatest thing
since sliced bread!  I had a wireless network that was too distant to
work reliably.  Network would flake out constantly.  I spent countless
hours troubleshooting it.  I finally gave up and got the powerline
stuff.  I plugged it in to the wall, plugged in the ethernet cables,
and it worked.  No set up whatsoever (YMMV)and it has not flaked out
once in 2 years.  I strongly recommend this!


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Re: [slim] Squeezebox for the Blind?

2006-02-20 Thread Jack Coates

>
> One of my more clueful coworkers was talking to me about the Squeezebox.
> He's especially interested in it because of the ability to control a
> stereo component via web browser instead of "memorizing a remote" as he
> put it.  As you might guess from the thread title, he is completely
> blind.
>
> So that's one good feature the Slimserver has as an Accessability
> enabler.
>
> What other base features or plugins are available that might help him?
>
> I'm especially wondering if anyone has done any text to speech plugins?
> i.e. something like Festival being used between tracks to announce the
> next song.
>

there's been conversation, which always ends with "shouldn't be too
difficult" and someone going off to investigate. Apparently it's more
difficult than it looks.
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Re: [slim] Re: permanent "skip" lists?

2006-02-20 Thread Paul Fox
 > Two workarounds:
 > 
 > - Move the tracks to another genre/album (f.e.  rock_extra). 
 > Ugly but works.

wouldn't "random playback of 'genre rock'" still pick them up? 
but i understand what you mean in principle.

 > - Use iTunes and use the checkbox.  Slimserver can be
 > configured to ignore unchecked songs.  You cannot play the
 > songs any longer (from the Squeezebox), but they would be in
 > your "music collection" on iTunes.

interesting.  i'm not an itunes user currently, so i probably
won't do this.

 > 
 > One proper solution:
 > 
 > - Develop the feature for Slimserver, become a developer.  If

:-)  well, i'm certainly game to take a look, though my perl is slim to
nonexistent.  (pun noted but not intended.  :-)

 > this is not an option, then I suggest adding an enhancement
 > request to bugs.slimdevices.com.

this i can certainly do.  it certainly seems like i might not be the
first to want/need something like this.

thanks...

one more question:  does slimserver do more than simply look at
file suffix to determin file type when scanning?  if i rename the
tracks in question to ".mp3.skip", will they be
ignored?  i realize that this will probably prevent their being
played at all, but currently, that would be the better
alternative (for me)...

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[slim] Re: Roku M500 + slimserver + flac/320CBR mp3 = breakups?

2006-02-20 Thread goofygrin

Slimserver isn't supported by Roku... so I posted here and on their
forum.

It's not 25% signal... it's their "signal quality" reading.

I think it might be the 802.11b issue... but I'm still playing with
it.

I just can't justify $250 for a squeezebox.  I'll add another network
drop if I have to.


snarlydwarf Wrote: 
> I hate to be the one to say it, but
> 
> Roku support probably?
> 
> 25% signal strength is pretty bad.
> 
> Add in that Roku only supports 802.11b and there's your problem.


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[slim] Re: Wiki Questions: Posting Screenshots?

2006-02-20 Thread street_samurai

Thanks for the help all.

I've created a bunch of new pages which all link from this page:

http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?EACBeginners

Please feel free to update as you see fit or send me suggestions.

Mark can you have a look at these pages and determine whether it should
replace your page or not? Some of the information on your page is more
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[slim] Re: Moving SB btwn Wired and Wireless?

2006-02-20 Thread joncourage

Well, I tried it.

I disconnected the ethernet cable and configured the wireless network
(which incidentally worked perfectly straight off).

Plugging the wired network back in does not appear to cause the SB to
automatically detect and prefer the wired network.  

It seems to remain configured for the wireless network until I manually
re-configure the SB to connect wired.

Oh well, so much for the portable SB idea

SLIM - if you guys know of a way to do this or would consider writing
this into the firmware (detect and prefer a wired connection if
available, use wireless if not) that would be a very nice feature that
would allow the SB to easily be moved around the house.


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[slim] Roku M500 + slimserver + flac/320CBR mp3 = breakups?

2006-02-20 Thread goofygrin

Just got my m500 up and running on my linksys router (supported). 

160, 192 kbps mp3s play fine 

320kbps cbr and flac breakup somewhat randomly. 

I'm getting between 25-32 on my signal strength. 

Running slimserver on my linux (gentoo) server (don't have a windows
box to run anything else on). Server is hard wired on a 10/100 network
(and can stream dvds all day long with no stutter). 

I've played with my wireless channels (not much help), mtu size (down
to 1500), and antenna placement (I've got an outboard antenna on my
router). 

Is there anything else I'm missing or can try? 

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[slim] Re: Roku M500 + slimserver + flac/320CBR mp3 = breakups?

2006-02-20 Thread snarlydwarf

goofygrin Wrote: 
> 
> Is there anything else I'm missing or can try? 
> 
> 

I hate to be the one to say it, but

Roku support probably?

25% signal strength is pretty bad.

Add in that Roku only supports 802.11b and there's your problem.


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[slim] Re: Duplicated track entries when using playlists - POSSIBLE SOLUTION

2006-02-20 Thread Fred

Chuck Pelto Wrote: 
> Got a playlist I've had for quite some time.
> 
> Now I'm getting reports on various songs found on this playlist that  
> the file cannot be found. iTunes can find and play the mp3 file just  
> fine.
> 
> What is the solution to this problem?

If this is an iTunes playlist, then it should get updated if the song
has moved. Try a full rescan.

If it is a Slimserver playlist, then there is no way the server can
find the song again if it moves. iTunes does move the song around
depending on its settings when f.e. you change an album title.

In this second case, the only way is to recreate the playlist. If you
use iTunes, it is simpler to manage playlists within iTunes.

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[slim] Re: permanent "skip" lists?

2006-02-20 Thread Fred

I don't think there is such a function.

Two workarounds:

- Move the tracks to another genre/album (f.e. rock_extra). Ugly but
works.

- Use iTunes and use the checkbox. Slimserver can be configured to
ignore unchecked songs. You cannot play the songs any longer (from the
Squeezebox), but they would be in your "music collection" on iTunes.

One proper solution:

- Develop the feature for Slimserver, become a developer. If this is
not an option, then I suggest adding an enhancement request to
bugs.slimdevices.com.

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[slim] Re: support - how long does it typically take to respond?

2006-02-20 Thread JJZolx

slimdemage Wrote: 
> Do people usually pay $300 to bust out the screwdrivers and take apart
> their gadgets? I am almost shocked they asked me to disassemble the
> Squeezebox3. I would expect to be paid for that kind of work.
Small companies work differently than large ones.  They made it an
option for you if you were comfortable with it.  Apparently you weren't
and no doubt you expressed you shock and dismay at the very notion that
you would touch a screw driver.  Try the same thing with a trivial
malfunction in a Sony or Panasonic product and even mention the notion
of fixing it yourself and you'll give the tech at the other end of the
conversation a coronary.  Instead, you'll pack up the device, pay to
ship it to a service facility and wait two or three months while they
fix it.

I have to commend Slim Devices.  You are _exactly_ the type of customer
for whom the 30 day return policy was designed.  I'm increasingly happy
that you took advantage of it.  But jeezus, how long do we have to keep
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[slim] Re: support - how long does it typically take to respond?

2006-02-20 Thread Siduhe

Philip Meyer Wrote: 
> I still haven't heard anything from support.
> Phil

I'm surprised - they've always been very responsive to me.  How are you
trying to contact them ?  Email ? Make sure that any reply hasn't been
caught by a spam filter - it seems to happen quite a lot.

I would pick up the phone during US office hours, if you want to give
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[slim] permanent "skip" lists?

2006-02-20 Thread Paul Fox
hi -- i'm a little new with slimserver, so please forgive me if
there's an obvious way to do what i need -- just point me in the
right direction.

there are tracks in my collection that i (almost) never want to
hear.  these might be voice-only intro segments on live concert
recordings, or alternate takes that are repetitious, or simply
tracks which i really do not like very much.

is there a way to tell slimserver never to select these tracks
unless told explicitly to play them?  i.e., if i select by genre,
or artist, or even by the album in which they're contained, i do
_not_ want those tracks to be played.  they should play only if i
browse to the track level and select them.

any ideas?  (in a previous home-grown audio system i've used, i
had ".skip" flag files which told the s/w not to
include "trackname" in the current playlist.  i'm hoping for
something similar.)

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[slim] Re: 48KHz playback?

2006-02-20 Thread chrisal

pkcrawford Wrote: 
> Indeed, SlimServer is assuming that the sample rate for uncompressed
> (and converted) format is at 44.1k. This is a known bug and we'll be
> addressing it.

I have some 16bit 48khz files that seem to play fine on the sb2 over a
wireless connection (i've not noticed any slow down or skipping).
However I have noticed one problem and that is they don't play back
gapless - I have a bug logged for this (#2990). I'm not sure if this is
the same/related to/or nothing to do with the bug mentioned earlier in
this thread - if it is related could this possibly be looked in to at
the same time?

Thanks

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[slim] Re: Squeezebox3 stutter/skip

2006-02-20 Thread Triode

That all looks OK to me...  Not sure what more to suggest.

Clutching at straws, do you have a wav file you could try playing?  It
should use more of the link bandwidth so should stutter more? (but
exercise a different codec in the player)


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[slim] Re: How I got SlimServer v6.2.1 working with MySQL

2006-02-20 Thread fcm4711

Hi all

Did the switch today. The only minor problem was the DBD:mysql thing,
but Yast2 (I'm running SuSE 9.2) was able to install that for me.

Thanks
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Re: [slim] Re: support - how long does it typically take to respond?

2006-02-20 Thread Philip Meyer
I still haven't heard anything from support.

I have tried moving the unit closer to my wireless access point.  I can see a 
stable 80% signal strength at the setup menus, but when I connect, I see the 
signal strength visibly drop 30% and then it seems to wonder up and down.  I 
have taken stats from the Server and Network health, and can see that 
slimserver is reporting a possible wireless problem.

I had a carefull look inside the unit and everything seems to be in order - no 
visible sign of a loose card or aerial.

I've tried various firmware revisions, etc.

I have tried everything I reasonably can now, so will have to return the unit.

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[slim] Squeezebox for the Blind?

2006-02-20 Thread zuvembi

One of my more clueful coworkers was talking to me about the Squeezebox.
He's especially interested in it because of the ability to control a
stereo component via web browser instead of "memorizing a remote" as he
put it.  As you might guess from the thread title, he is completely
blind.

So that's one good feature the Slimserver has as an Accessability
enabler.  

What other base features or plugins are available that might help him?

I'm especially wondering if anyone has done any text to speech plugins?
i.e. something like Festival being used between tracks to announce the
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[slim] Re: Drive sector size for music folder?

2006-02-20 Thread ceejay

Mark Lanctot Wrote: 
> 
> FAT32 is recommended for large file sizes but you're limited to 32 GB
> volumes.  What would be the point of a 250 GB drive in that case?
> 

Only by Windows... in that WinXP won't let you format a FAT32 partition
> 32GB, because Microsoft want us to stick to NTFS - which, to be fair,
is more resilient.

However there is nothing to stop you using another piece of software to
create a partition of any size you like. Windows will quite happily work
with it, it just won't create one for you.

Ceejay.


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[slim] Re: Squeezebox3 stutter/skip

2006-02-20 Thread moby_uk

This is netstat while running a 3000kbps test:

Active Internet connections (w/o servers)
Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address   Foreign Address
State
tcp0  0 localhost:22729 localhost:cslistener   
ESTABLISHED
tcp0  0 localhost:22728 localhost:cslistener   
ESTABLISHED
tcp0  0 localhost:cslistenerlocalhost:22729
ESTABLISHED
tcp0  0 localhost:cslistenerlocalhost:22728
ESTABLISHED
tcp0  13140 192.168.0.10:cslistener 192.168.0.101:21031
ESTABLISHED
tcp0  11340 192.168.0.:slim-devices 192.168.0.101:21028
ESTABLISHED


This is netstat while streaming:

Active Internet connections (w/o servers)
Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address   Foreign Address
State
tcp0  0 localhost:22729 localhost:cslistener   
ESTABLISHED
tcp0  0 localhost:22728 localhost:cslistener   
ESTABLISHED
tcp0  0 localhost:cslistenerlocalhost:22729
ESTABLISHED
tcp0  0 localhost:cslistenerlocalhost:22728
ESTABLISHED
tcp0  18980 192.168.0.10:cslistener 192.168.0.101:21032
ESTABLISHED
tcp0  0 192.168.0.:slim-devices 192.168.0.101:21028
ESTABLISHED

Log output with the debug as requested (wasn't sure how much to paste
so this is an extract). I can see some requeues but not sure if they
are a problem..


2006-02-20 22:44:26.6297 generating from include.html
2006-02-20 22:44:26.6312 generating from playlist.html
2006-02-20 22:44:26.6388 End request: keepAlive: [15] - waiting for
next request on connection = keep-alive

2006-02-20 22:44:26.6395 More to send to 127.0.0.1
2006-02-20 22:44:26.6401 No more messages to send to 127.0.0.1
2006-02-20 22:44:26.6407 No segment to send to 127.0.0.1, waiting for
next request..
2006-02-20 22:44:46.0426 sendstreaming response begun...
2006-02-20 22:44:46.0431 sent incomplete chunk, requeuing 6160 bytes
2006-02-20 22:44:46.0433 Streamed 8760 to 192.168.0.101
2006-02-20 22:44:46.0705 sendstreaming response begun...
2006-02-20 22:44:46.0709 Streamed 6160 to 192.168.0.101
2006-02-20 22:44:46.3225 sendstreaming response begun...
2006-02-20 22:44:46.3231 (audio: 32768 bytes)
2006-02-20 22:44:46.3233 sent incomplete chunk, requeuing 24328 bytes
2006-02-20 22:44:46.3235 Streamed 8440 to 192.168.0.101
2006-02-20 22:44:47.5945 sendstreaming response begun...
2006-02-20 22:44:47.5949 sent incomplete chunk, requeuing 17028 bytes
2006-02-20 22:44:47.5951 Streamed 7300 to 192.168.0.101
2006-02-20 22:44:47.6134 sendstreaming response begun...
2006-02-20 22:44:47.6137 sent incomplete chunk, requeuing 6808 bytes
2006-02-20 22:44:47.6139 Streamed 10220 to 192.168.0.101
2006-02-20 22:44:49.2911 sendstreaming response begun...
2006-02-20 22:44:49.2915 Streamed 6808 to 192.168.0.101
2006-02-20 22:44:49.9305 sendstreaming response begun...
2006-02-20 22:44:49.9310 (audio: 32768 bytes)
2006-02-20 22:44:49.9312 sent incomplete chunk, requeuing 22056 bytes
2006-02-20 22:44:49.9314 Streamed 10712 to 192.168.0.101
2006-02-20 22:44:49.9705 sendstreaming response begun...
2006-02-20 22:44:49.9709 sent incomplete chunk, requeuing 13296 bytes
2006-02-20 22:44:49.9711 Streamed 8760 to 192.168.0.101
2006-02-20 22:44:50.6242 sendstreaming response begun...
2006-02-20 22:44:50.6245 sent incomplete chunk, requeuing 4536 bytes
2006-02-20 22:44:50.6247 Streamed 8760 to 192.168.0.101
2006-02-20 22:44:50.8465 sendstreaming response begun...
2006-02-20 22:44:50.8468 Streamed 4536 to 192.168.0.101
2006-02-20 22:44:50.8875 sendstreaming response begun...
2006-02-20 22:44:50.8879 (audio: 32768 bytes)
2006-02-20 22:44:50.8882 sent incomplete chunk, requeuing 21244 bytes
2006-02-20 22:44:50.8884 Streamed 11524 to 192.168.0.101
2006-02-20 22:44:52.3723 sendstreaming response begun...
2006-02-20 22:44:52.3726 sent incomplete chunk, requeuing 12484 bytes
2006-02-20 22:44:52.3728 Streamed 8760 to 192.168.0.101
2006-02-20 22:44:53.8624 sendstreaming response begun...
2006-02-20 22:44:53.8628 sent incomplete chunk, requeuing 3724 bytes
2006-02-20 22:44:53.8630 Streamed 8760 to 192.168.0.101
2006-02-20 22:44:55.7624 sendstreaming response begun...
2006-02-20 22:44:55.7627 Streamed 3724 to 192.168.0.101
2006-02-20 22:44:55.7631 sendstreaming response begun...
2006-02-20 22:44:55.7638 (audio: 32768 bytes)
2006-02-20 22:44:55.7640 sent incomplete chunk, requeuing 24812 bytes
2006-02-20 22:44:55.7642 Streamed 7956 to 192.168.0.101
2006-02-20 22:44:56.1961 sendstreaming response begun...
2006-02-20 22:44:56.1965 sent incomplete chunk, requeuing 17512 bytes
2006-02-20 22:44:56.1966 Streamed 7300 to 192.168.0.101
2006-02-20 22:44:56.4000 reading request...
2006-02-20 22:44:56.4003 HTTP request: from 127.0.0.1
(HTTP::Daemon::ClientConn=GLOB(0xa76b728)) for GET HTTP/1.1 /log.txt 
2006-02-20 22:44:56.4019 processURL Clients: 192.168.0.101:21032
2006-02-20 22:44:56.4022 Generating response for (txt, text/plain)
log.txt
2006-02-

[slim] Re: Squeezebox3 stutter/skip

2006-02-20 Thread Triode

That would tend to suggest the wireless network was OK during the test. 
[The plugin does not stream data so is not doing exactly the same thing
as streaming.  It does rapid screen refreshes to achieve the same data
rate.]

What does netstat -t show while streaming?

If you enable --d_http --d_source while playing what debug messages
does the server give?


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[slim] Re: How I got SlimServer v6.2.1 working with MySQL

2006-02-20 Thread mac

nicky6 Wrote: 
> > 
Code:

  >   > Available drivers: DBM, ExampleP, File, Proxy, SQLite, Sponge.
  > at /PerlApp/Slim/DataStores/DBI/DataModel.pm line 147

> > 
> 
> > 
Code:

  >   > Perhaps a required shared library or dll isn't installed where expected
  > at /PerlApp/Slim/DataStores/DBI/DataModel.pm line 147

> > 
> 

That's as far as I got.  I'm afraid the rest will require some minor
code changes to DataModel.pm.  Perhaps one of the Perl guru's here can
help?


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[slim] Re: OT: Power line network adaptors (was: Okay, maybe it's time to call it a day...)

2006-02-20 Thread bpa

I have devolo 85mpbs and it enables me to network a place where wireless
didn't reach.  I got them from the Uk supplier in a day or two.
Here's an article whic may be useful.
http://www.tomsnetworking.com/Sections-article155.php


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[slim] Re: Squeezebox3 stutter/skip

2006-02-20 Thread moby_uk

I've installed the nettest and have the following results:

I have 100% average all the way up to 3000kbps, then:

3000kbps - 100%
4000kbps - 84%
5000kbps - 68%
6000kbps - 55%

I'm streaming at the moment and my buffer was immediately at 0%. Here
is a top from the server:

top - 22:23:16 up 11 min,  4 users,  load average: 0.07, 0.24, 0.21
Tasks:  98 total,   1 running,  97 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
Cpu(s): 12.0% us,  2.8% sy,  0.0% ni, 85.0% id,  0.0% wa,  0.0% hi, 
0.2% si
Mem:   2074856k total,   623552k used,  1451304k free,76576k
buffers
Swap:  1052216k total,0k used,  1052216k free,   332664k
cached

PID USER  PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEMTIME+  COMMAND
5705 root  15   0  151m  26m 4232 S 15.6  1.3   0:12.23 X
7741 root  15   0 81188  41m  22m S  7.6  2.0   0:18.19
firefox-bin
7684 root  15   0 26124  13m  10m S  2.0  0.7   0:01.35 kwin
7688 root  15   0 29184  16m  12m S  2.0  0.8   0:03.07 kicker
7701 root  15   0 28660  15m  11m S  1.3  0.7   0:01.35 konsole
7660 root  15   0 28356  14m  11m S  0.7  0.7   0:01.01 kded
8546 slimserv  15   0 57956  53m 2852 S  0.3  2.6   0:11.74
slimserver.pl
8554 root  16   0  2112 1004  768 R  0.3  0.0   0:00.11 top

Cheers,
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[slim] Re: Help with Cyrillic needed!

2006-02-20 Thread pankotskii

I converted those tags using Ultra Tag Editor to  ID3v2. It has an
option to copy from ID3v1 to v2. Is that what I was supposed to do? Not
sure what's next. I tried to rescan my music library and tried viewing
files using UTF-8 encoding from View in IE. Stll can not see it. I have
sent you same file converted now. Any ideas? Thanks you for all your
help.


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[slim] Re: Drive sector size for music folder?

2006-02-20 Thread Mark Lanctot

Robin Bowes Wrote: 
> Heh, I suspect Tyler meant ntfs.
> 
> HPFS is an OS/S filesystem (remember OS/2 ??)
> 
> R.

Whew, thought I was going crazy there for a sec.  ;-)  Yeah, if you saw
the link, it looked like it was for OS/2 with driver support in
Windows...95!  And DOS!  :-O

I ended up formatting it in NTFS.  I was getting conflicting
information so I stuck with a default sector size.  It doesn't have to
be super-fast anyway, just fast enough to deliver FLAC, which is an
order of magnitude slower than the slowest drive you can get.

FAT32 is recommended for large file sizes but you're limited to 32 GB
volumes.  What would be the point of a 250 GB drive in that case?

BTW for those looking for silent drives for their silent NAS servers,
take a look at the Samsung SpinPoint P.  It's amazingly quiet.  I
haven't heard it at all.


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[slim] Re: Squeezebox3 stutter/skip

2006-02-20 Thread Triode

Could I suggest you install the NetTest plugin:
http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?PluginDiagnostics

This should allow you to measure the sustainable data rate between the
server and player.  You can then move your SB3 around to see if you get
better performance closer to the access point or monitor when it drops
[due to interference etc]


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[slim] Cannot Find Open File

2006-02-20 Thread Chuck Pelto

Got a playlist I've had for quite some time.

Now I'm getting reports on various songs found on this playlist that  
the file cannot be found. iTunes can find and play the mp3 file just  
fine.


What is the solution to this problem?
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[slim] Re: Squeezebox3 stutter/skip

2006-02-20 Thread moby_uk

Thanks for the reply. I notice there are a few threads on this issue and
I have tried most of the suggestions.

- If I connect using wired, I get 100% buffer and no stutters.
- At the time of testing my server was wired to the router as well. I
have tested my wireless connection using my server and am right at this
moment getting 620K/s downloads from the internet. So it is not the
router itself (though I am using a wireless adapter from D-Link, so it
may be a compatability issue)
- There are only two devices connected to my router - my squeezebox and
my server
- I've tried everything I can think of on the router - turning off the
turbo mode, changing the frag and beacon settings etc.

The very most I can get in terms of buffer when using wired is around
30-40%. But after a few seconds, the buffer starts to empty - it does
not seem to recover once it hits zero.

As you can see below, the server is not loaded at all.

Given that I get a perfect high speed wireless connection from my
server and that other people seem to be reporting similar issues, could
it (dare I say) be a bug in the Squeezebox?

Hope someone can help as its unusable as it is.

Thanks,
Phil


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[slim] Re: Duplicated track entries when using playlists - POSSIBLE SOLUTION

2006-02-20 Thread Olaf

I had problems with duplicated tracks, too. When I imported new CDs,
recently, the related album seemed to contain each track twice. This
was not the case in former times. My actual configuration is:

SlimServer Version: 6.2.1 - 5157 - Mac OS X 10.4.5 (8H14) - DE - utf8

I had SlimServer configured to use iTunes (6.0.2 in the meantime), but
also filled in an entry for the path to the music files:
/Users/Shared/Daten/Musik, which is my iTunes music folder, too. I'm
almost sure, I needed this entry in former times, but maybe the
behaviour of SlimServer or iTunes has been changed or whatever. When I
cleaned up the path to the music files and did a rescan of the music
library, the double entries were gone.


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Re: [slim] Re: Drive sector size for music folder?

2006-02-20 Thread Robin Bowes
Mark Lanctot said the following on 02/20/2006 08:43 PM:
> tyler_durden Wrote: 
> 
>>Try formatting in HPFS.  The default allocation size is 512 bytes, I
>>believe.  You'll get less fragmentation in HPFS also.
>>
>>TD
> 
> 
> Thanks for the suggestion but whoa, looks complicated - you seem to
> need drivers and special support for it?
> 
> http://www.lesbell.com.au/hpfsfaq.html
> 
> Ouch.
> 
> This is the first time I've heard of it.

Heh, I suspect Tyler meant ntfs.

HPFS is an OS/S filesystem (remember OS/2 ??)

R.

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[slim] Re: OT: Power line network adaptors (was: Okay, maybe it's time to call it a day...)

2006-02-20 Thread Ken

Try this link http://www.mutek.co.uk/ I have purchased Home Plug stuff
from them. They normaly deliver in a day or two.

My experience is that it is a quick and easy way of networking and it
delivers for one of my SB2s sending FLAC files which are transcoded on
the SB2.

Ken


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[slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin

2006-02-20 Thread ebag4


A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the
results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19369

Question: Do you have a 770?

- Got it
- Want it
- Need it
- Forget it


I apoligize if this has been answered elsewhere but I did a search and
could not find it.  

Over the last few years I have used PC based audio.  Because of this my
database has been put together over time.  One of my previous front ends
used bitmap files for album art.  Is there a way to get the Nokia 770
skin to recognize bitmap files?

Thanks,
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[slim] Re: Drive sector size for music folder?

2006-02-20 Thread Mark Lanctot

tyler_durden Wrote: 
> Try formatting in HPFS.  The default allocation size is 512 bytes, I
> believe.  You'll get less fragmentation in HPFS also.
> 
> TD

Thanks for the suggestion but whoa, looks complicated - you seem to
need drivers and special support for it?

http://www.lesbell.com.au/hpfsfaq.html

Ouch.

This is the first time I've heard of it.


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[slim] Re: Drive sector size for music folder?

2006-02-20 Thread tyler_durden

Mark Lanctot Wrote: 
> BTW Windows calls this "Allocation unit size".  Choices are 512 (default
> IIRC), 1024, 2048, 4092, 8192, 16K, 32K, 64K.

Try formatting in HPFS.  The default allocation size is 512 bytes, I
believe.  You'll get less fragmentation in HPFS also.

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[slim] Re: white Noise - WANTED

2006-02-20 Thread Siduhe

Mark Lanctot Wrote: 
> OK, I'll bite.  What's the theory behind playing an infant white noise? 
> :-)

It mimics the sounds that the baby got used to hearing in the womb and
blocks out baby-waking noises that he / she isn't used to (dogs
barking, sirens wailing, aeroplanes, TV etc, etc.) - makes the world a
less scary and noisy place for newborns.  Not recommended for longer
term use though - some more recent research suggests that it may delay
speech development in older babies.


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Re: [slim] Re: Last.fm or Pandora?

2006-02-20 Thread ron thigpen
And here is a link to an interesting discussion of how each service 
works, and how they might differ in usage:


http://www.stevekrause.org/steve_krause_blog/2006/01/pandora_and_las.html

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[slim] Re: problem playing mp3 - winamp media file

2006-02-20 Thread Mark Lanctot

What do the files look like?  Do they have a proper name and a proper
extension?

What ripper are you using?  Sounds like it screwed up.


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Re: [slim] WMA internet radio on linux?

2006-02-20 Thread Marc Sherman
Michael Herger wrote:
>>> The stream actually is mms://wm05.nm.cbc.ca/cbcr1-toronto
> 
> ...and it does play. Back home I was even able to listen to it.

But it sounds terrible... they're only streaming 32kbps. :/

Thanks again for all the help.

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[slim] Re: white Noise - WANTED

2006-02-20 Thread Mark Lanctot

OK, I'll bite.  What's the theory behind playing an infant white noise? 
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[slim] Re: Problem: Can't connect to wireless network

2006-02-20 Thread Dave G

Crooner,

Thanks for responding.  

I've got the encryption right -- it's WPA Personal.  The SB3 is the
only device connected wireless.  The 2 computers are connected by
ethernet cable. 

The SB3 appears not to see a signal at all.  You think the rounter may
be shot?  The darn thing is only 2 months old and worked fine during
that period, but I guess it could be shot.  This "small USB gadget" you
speak of, is that something a Radio Shack might carry?

Thanks.

Dave

P.S.  I started a similar thread over on Audio Circles, where I know
you also post.  Feel free to respond over there if you'd like.


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[slim] Re: 48KHz playback?

2006-02-20 Thread pkcrawford

crooner,
My 48KHz files are at 16 bit.
Does this problem only happen with FLAC, or does it happen with all
formats?


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Re: [slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin

2006-02-20 Thread ron thigpen

bklaas wrote:


interesting...I'd never seen the 'Optimized View' feature before...do
you know what that feature is supposed to do (besides screwing up the
rendering of the album art)?


AFAICT, this feature tweaks the browser such that it will try to fit all 
of the content of a page into the available horizontal width of the 
window w/o horizontal scrolling.  In practice, this means that it will 
auto-adjust the text zoom level, and perhaps override column widths in 
the layout.


It works fantastically well on many sites, and really smooths out the 
browsing experience.  But when it breaks, it does so rather brutally. 
Any page with fixed elements that overflow it's idea of what the 
horizontal width should be get very ugly.


For an example, try ESPN.com.

I really wish that this setting could be configured on a per-website 
basis, perhaps stored along with URL and Description as a bookmark 
property.


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[slim] Re: Bugs.slimdevices - hard to find bugs (Patrick Nixon, help!)

2006-02-20 Thread ModelCitizen

Cheers groovers,
found it at the bottom of the complex search box thingy.

Simon/MC


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Re: [slim] Re: Are you willing to pay for a Sirius Radio plug-in?

2006-02-20 Thread ron thigpen

Michaelwagner wrote:

If their main feed is to the satellite, that's their business model.
If they don't (and won't) care about the quality of that, are they
ever going to care about the quality for a few people getting it over
the internet?


I agree with you on this.  My hope is that the owners of this business 
will realize that they can develop a higher quality internet-delivered 
product.


They're already investing in developing the programming.  And the 
satellite bandwidth bottleneck doesn't apply to the net.


I expect they could make money on a high quality streaming service as a 
either a bundle w/ sat. radio, or for purchase on it's own.  I'd be much 
more interested in their service delivered via that delivery mechanism.


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[slim] Re: How do I totally clear out my music list and start over?

2006-02-20 Thread Kyle

ceejay Wrote: 
> I'd be intrigued to know how Slimserver 6.2 runs without either MySQL or
> SQLite, and what it's doing when scanning if not filling one or other of
> those?
> 
> Try looking for a file called slimserversql.db in somewhere like
> C:\Program Files\SlimServer\server\Cache  This is a SQLite database.
> Delete it (or rename) and restart slimserver, it should create a new
> one.
> 
> HTH
> 
> Ceejay
Sorry, I meant MySQL.  I guess it *is* using SQLite.


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Re: [slim] WMA internet radio on linux?

2006-02-20 Thread Michael Herger

The stream actually is mms://wm05.nm.cbc.ca/cbcr1-toronto


...and it does play. Back home I was even able to listen to it.


Ok.  What exactly does the AlienBBC plugin do beyond what the stock
slimserver does?  Is it the plugin that enables transcoding on streams?


Exactly. It will help you transcode Real and WMA streams to MP3/Flac (if  
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Re: [slim] Bugs.slimdevices - hard to find bugs (Patrick Nixon, help!)

2006-02-20 Thread Geoff B
On 2/20/06, Simon @ Home <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm CC'ed to a bug about the remote jumping through menu items.
> There are some settings in this bug report that I want. But I can't find the
> bug by searching bugs.slimdevices. A search on say,remote jump gives
> me zillions of bugs and I still can't find the one I want in the returns.
> I just know I'm being really stupid but is there a way to see all the bugs
> I'm cc'ed on?
> If you can't see which bugs you are cc'ed on (and I'm not being as stupid as
> I thought) is it possible to add this facility to bugs.slimdevices?
>
> My searching did show up one interesting bug that I'd almost forgotten about
> though
>
> http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=918
>
> Patrick Nixon (or even Triode). You've been active in this remote menu
> jumping bug.. can you give me the ID if you see this? Thanks.
> BTW. Since I made the changes to the times you suggested in the bug the
> problem seems to have got a lot worse (however, I have updated SS in this
> time too). I can't tell you how much this bug annoys me... I'm amazed that
> anyone who uses the remote (rather than the web interface) cannot fail to
> get really pissed off with it.

If you go to Search -> Advanced Search, you can enter a value to find
in the 'CC' field.  Does this do what you want?

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Re: [slim] Bugs.slimdevices - hard to find bugs (Patrick Nixon, help!)

2006-02-20 Thread kdf

Quoting "Simon @ Home" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


I'm CC'ed to a bug about the remote jumping through menu items.
There are some settings in this bug report that I want. But I can't find the
bug by searching bugs.slimdevices. A search on say,remote jump gives
me zillions of bugs and I still can't find the one I want in the returns.
I just know I'm being really stupid but is there a way to see all the bugs
I'm cc'ed on?


link "My Bugs" shows any that you reported.

If you click on search, there is a field to search the CC lists (use  
your email addy)


I believe the bug you are looking for is 2018
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[slim] Bugs.slimdevices - hard to find bugs (Patrick Nixon, help!)

2006-02-20 Thread Simon @ Home
I'm CC'ed to a bug about the remote jumping through menu items.
There are some settings in this bug report that I want. But I can't find the
bug by searching bugs.slimdevices. A search on say,remote jump gives
me zillions of bugs and I still can't find the one I want in the returns.
I just know I'm being really stupid but is there a way to see all the bugs
I'm cc'ed on?
If you can't see which bugs you are cc'ed on (and I'm not being as stupid as
I thought) is it possible to add this facility to bugs.slimdevices?

My searching did show up one interesting bug that I'd almost forgotten about
though

http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=918

Patrick Nixon (or even Triode). You've been active in this remote menu
jumping bug.. can you give me the ID if you see this? Thanks.
BTW. Since I made the changes to the times you suggested in the bug the
problem seems to have got a lot worse (however, I have updated SS in this
time too). I can't tell you how much this bug annoys me... I'm amazed that
anyone who uses the remote (rather than the web interface) cannot fail to
get really pissed off with it.

Simon Turner
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Re: [slim] Fatal YAML bug 6.2.2. Fix needed.

2006-02-20 Thread kdf

Quoting Geoff B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

On 2/20/06, ianwi   
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

The most recent thing I did was add some new music a few days ago. It
played alright. That's the last change I've made to the server.


I'm not a Perl programmer either, but perhaps this points to a corrupt
.db file?  Especially if nothing's been changed in your setup.
Maybe it's worth deleting the file and rescanning?


If it is YAML crashing, then it is more likely something in the prefs  
file.  I'd suggest moving slimserver.pref to some other location  
temporarily, start the server and let it create a new default prefs  
file.  Hopefully that will not crash and you can compare the two files  
to spot the corruption and copy/paste your previous working prefs into  
the new file.


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Re: [slim] Fatal YAML bug 6.2.2. Fix needed.

2006-02-20 Thread Geoff B
On 2/20/06, ianwi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The most recent thing I did was add some new music a few days ago. It
> played alright. That's the last change I've made to the server.

I'm not a Perl programmer either, but perhaps this points to a corrupt
.db file?  Especially if nothing's been changed in your setup.
Maybe it's worth deleting the file and rescanning?

Geoff
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[slim] Moving SB btwn Wired and Wireless?

2006-02-20 Thread joncourage

I have a SB I'd like to be able to move between living room (wired) and
kitchen (wireless).

It's configured for the wired network now.

- when I move it between the two locations, will the SB automatically
know which network connection to use? 

- In other words, if I plug it in to the wired net will it know to use
that network and *not* the wireless (and how can I be sure which
connection it's using)?   When I move it to the wireless location, will
it just automatically pick up the wireless and run with it?

Thanks!


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Re: [slim] WMA internet radio on linux?

2006-02-20 Thread Marc Sherman
Michael Herger wrote:
> 
> The stream actually is mms://wm05.nm.cbc.ca/cbcr1-toronto

Thanks.

> AlienBBC is the key. Give it a try.

Ok.  What exactly does the AlienBBC plugin do beyond what the stock
slimserver does?  Is it the plugin that enables transcoding on streams?

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[slim] Re: Drive sector size for music folder?

2006-02-20 Thread EnochLight

You may improve read/write performance slightly but if you choose say...
1024k and then save a file that is 32k then it will take up 1024k of
space.  Not a big deal with that big drive...


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[slim] Drive sector size for music folder?

2006-02-20 Thread Mark Lanctot

I've just installed a new 250 GB drive for music storage, 60% FLAC and
40% MP3.

Since I can now start from scratch, should I choose a sector size
larger or smaller than default?

I think I remember reading if you're using all large files that
selecting a non-default sector size offers some advantages.  BTW
Windows calls this "Allocation unit size".  Choices are 512 (default
IIRC), 1024, 2048, 4092, 8192, 16K, 32K, 64K.


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[slim] Fatal YAML bug 6.2.2. Fix needed.

2006-02-20 Thread ianwi

I've been using SlimServer 6.2.2 for a month and everything has been
fine. Today, I tried starting the slimserver service and it refused to
start on my Windows XP box.

I eventually got a logfile created which has the message:

2006-02-20 16:50:23.1403 Perl interpreter failed at /PerlApp/YAML.pm
line 1272.

I gather this is the file CPAN\Yaml.pm

Line 1272 is the if statement in this function:

# Parse the inline double quoted string.
sub _parse_inline_double_quoted {
my $node;
if ($o->{inline} =~ /^"((?:\\"|[^"])*)"\s*(.*)$/) {
$node = $1;
$o->{inline} = $2;
$node =~ s/\\"/"/g;
} else {
croak YAML_PARSE_ERR_BAD_DOUBLE();
}
return $node;
}

The most recent thing I did was add some new music a few days ago. It
played alright. That's the last change I've made to the server.

I'm not a Perl programmer. Is there a fix I can easily get from
somewhere and install? I'd like to stick to a major release. I'm also
using MusicMagic. Stopping MusicMagic and running SlimServer by itself
didn't help.


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[slim] Re: Canadians: Please share your experience with UPS when odering SB3

2006-02-20 Thread danny6869

raylpc Wrote: 
> Larry and Mark, thanks for clarifying :) Looks like I can save quite
> some bucks.

Save yourself some worry, and order in canadian from
www.kawarthatv.com.  That's where I ordered all of mine from.

(Never order anything from the states via UPS...their brokerage fee is
unreasonable...SLIM DEVICES TAKE NOTE)


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[slim] Re: Could not Import songs with Chinese titiles in SLIMSERVERS 6.5

2006-02-20 Thread Dan Sully

* dailofan shaped the electrons to say...


I seem to have the same issue.  My collection of recently ripped Chinese
music does not get imported during a scan.  It was ripped using WMP and
the directory and song names are in Chinese.
I tried renaming some song DIRECTORY and FILENAMES to English and they
were imported and showed up with Chinese song names (due to the tags).

But that wasn't a practical solution for my whole collection.  I hope
SLIM can fix this soon.  It was a bummer for my Chinese New Year party
not to be able to show off my Squeezebox 3.


Please see bug:

http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2475

Unfortunately it's a bit out of our control.

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[slim] Re: Canadians: Please share your experience with UPS when odering SB3

2006-02-20 Thread raylpc

Larry and Mark, thanks for clarifying :) Looks like I can save quite
some bucks.


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[slim] Re: Are you willing to pay for a Sirius Radio plug-in?

2006-02-20 Thread Bradley

GoCubs Wrote: 
> Bradley-
> Thanks for the message.  I did notice something about this when looking
> at the documentation for the Yahoo widget.  However, I'm not sure how to
> get this information.  Do I have to do something special to get it out
> of the stream?  I thought SlimServer did this automatically for WMA
> streams, but when I didn't see anything appear I assumed Sirius wasn't
> sending it out.
> 
> -Greg

Greg:

Slimserver probably handles this for you.  Just be advised that Sirius
only sends out Artist/Song info when the song changes.  So if you start
streaming in the middle of a song, there won't be any song info.  Later
when the song changes, you'll see the info.  

You can see this behavior through the Yahoo widget -- it'll say
"Waiting for Data" until it gets the info.  Otherwise, if you have the
"Enable Channel Data" option selected, it will get the current
Artist/Song info from there.

BTW, the Sirius Yahoo Widget guy keeps updating his software. Moreover,
now he's also using an "all channel feed" from
http://www.farmingdaleweather.net/sirius/tracker.txt as his primary
provider.It's considerably faster than the itson.siriusbackstage.com
feed.  He uses the itson.siriusbackstage.com feed as a backup.

You might want to check it out.  You also might want to trade emails
with PhilF -- the guy who wrote the XM plugin.  Apparently he was faced
with some of the same obstacles you've faced, and might be able to get
you on the fast track.

Looking forward to your next update!

*Bradley


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[slim] Re: How do I totally clear out my music list and start over?

2006-02-20 Thread ceejay

I'd be intrigued to know how Slimserver 6.2 runs without either MySQL or
SQLite, and what it's doing when scanning if not filling one or other of
those?

Try looking for a file called slimserversql.db in somewhere like
C:\Program Files\SlimServer\server\Cache  This is a SQLite database.
Delete it (or rename) and restart slimserver, it should create a new
one.

HTH

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[slim] Re: Qnap Ts101

2006-02-20 Thread Heuer

Ordered mine from Multi-task Computing who say they have left the Far
East and are expected in the UK later this week. They will ship to
customers as soon as they arrive, hopefully by Friday.

On the other hand this was exactly what they said last Monday for
delivery today!


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[slim] Re: NAS to run slimserver?

2006-02-20 Thread Chris Kantarjiev
I've been running slimserver on a Linsys NSLU2, with the Unslung
firmware. Indexing is kind of slow, but other than that it works
pretty well - the box seems to stumble and fall over once in a while.

No floating point, so there are a bunch of formats I can't get
at - mostly an issue (for me) for Internet radio. (Anyone know
of a good integer-only conversion for WMA?)
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[slim] Re: Are you willing to pay for a Sirius Radio plug-in?

2006-02-20 Thread GoCubs

Bradley Wrote: 
> You should also be able to get the song info from the stream itself (in
> real time).   Most folks who are writing Sirius stream players are
> using the actual stream for currently playing channel song updates and
> that auxiliary website for channel browsing (seeing what's playing
> across other channels).  You may want to switch to using the actual
> stream for song info.  If/When you develop a channel browser or web
> interface, knowing what's playing across channels (without hitting the
> play button) will be come valuable.
> 
> You might want to download the Yahoo Widget Sirius Tuner.  
> http://www.widgetgallery.com/view.php?widget=38478
> 
> It's a fine non-slimserver example an effective, efficient
> implementation of Sirius stream playback.  It blows away what Sirius
> offers to its subscribers.   
> 
> If you can eventually come close to the feature set the Yahoo Widget
> Sirius Tuner offers for Slimserver/Squeezebox, I think you've conquered
> the task you set out for.
> 
Bradley-
Thanks for the message.  I did notice something about this when looking
at the documentation for the Yahoo widget.  However, I'm not sure how to
get this information.  Do I have to do something special to get it out
of the stream?  I thought SlimServer did this automatically for WMA
streams, but when I didn't see anything appear I assumed Sirius wasn't
sending it out.

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[slim] Re: Qnap Ts101

2006-02-20 Thread Fifer

Thanks. I think that Progressive are the importers, so they will bring
in the shipment and then send stock on to distributors like Advanced.
If so, (and I've heard nothing to the contrary), I'm hoping those of us
who ordered from Cooltopia/Progressive will still receive our orders
this week as per the latest promise. I've been disappointed before
though. Hopefully Paul will provide an update.


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Re: [slim] Re: Documenting the use of tags in Slimserver

2006-02-20 Thread Geoff B
On 2/1/06, dborn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I guess I should try a small subset of my music collection with maybe 1
> or 2 multi-disc albums and 1 or 2 "various artists" albums. Now it takes
> too long to go change everything (even if Mp3tag is good) and then
> rescan the whole database.
This makes a big difference - I was struggling with exactly the same
thing you are, a while back, and after several rounds of change tags /
rescan, I got sick of waiting and copied a few folders to a test
location.  I included one of each case that I was trying to solve,
i.e. mp3 and flac for one disc, multi disc, various artist and one
artist (8 combinations only - I didn't bother combining various artist
/ multi disc).

> Last time I tried to use the multi-disc album, I set the title to the
> same thing for each disk, numbered all my tracks starting at 1 for each
> disk and then I used tags "disc" of "discc" to identify the order of the
> discs. This did not work, I got all of them mixed up with multiple
> tracks #1, #1, #1, #2, #2, etc...
I have this working how I want it to, mostly.  Here's what I do, in
case it helps...

I used MP3Tag, same as you.  First thing to check is that you are only
using ID3v2 tags (not ID3v1.1).  You've probably already done this,
but if not there's a thread about it here:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=17678
The last thing I do before I commit tracks into my main music folder
is check the 'Tags' column in MP3Tag to make sure there is only ID3v2
listed there.  And some STILL get through.

I also use the following structure for my folders, which is worth
checking as well, in case SlimServer is guessing at tags for some
reason:
drive:\mp3\artist\album\(tracks)
drive:\mp3\artist\album\disc 1\(tracks)
drive:\mp3\artist\album\disc 2\(tracks)
For various artists:
drive:\mp3\various\album\(tracks)
drive:\mp3\various\album\disc 1\(tracks)

Then, for both MP3 and FLAC, for multi-disc I do this, which works:
Set DISC to the disc number (usually 1 or 2)
Set DISCC to the disc count (usually 2)
This results in the albums showing up under an artist as such:
The Divine (Disc 1 of 2) (1995)
The Divine (Disc 2 of 2) (1995)

For MP3 various artists, I just set the ARTIST tag to the actual
artist, and the system shows the album correctly as a Various Artists
album.

For FLAC various artists, I set the ARTIST tag to the actual artist,
and the BAND and TPE2 tags to the album artist, and again this shows
the album correctly as a Various Artists album.  Setting the BAND and
TPE2 tags may not be necessary - I might have only done this to try to
make the album artist show up in the artists list (which it doesn't).

Under Server Settings | Behavior, I have Compilations set to "Group
compilation albums together" and "List albums by band".
Under Group Discs, I have set it to "Treat multi-disc sets as multiple albums".
Of course, you need to do a wipe and rescan after changing all this.

Finally, I'm running a recent SlimServer Version 6.2.2 (6200) on Windows XP SP2.

Hope that helps,
Geoff
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[slim] Re: Qnap Ts101

2006-02-20 Thread Heuer

Not Progressive I know but they are all drinking from the same cup:
http://www.advancedmp3players.co.uk/shop/product_info.php?products_id=1041


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[slim] Re: Could not Import songs with Chinese titiles in SLIMSERVERS 6.5

2006-02-20 Thread dailofan

I seem to have the same issue.  My collection of recently ripped Chinese
music does not get imported during a scan.  It was ripped using WMP and
the directory and song names are in Chinese.
I tried renaming some song DIRECTORY and FILENAMES to English and they
were imported and showed up with Chinese song names (due to the tags).

But that wasn't a practical solution for my whole collection.  I hope
SLIM can fix this soon.  It was a bummer for my Chinese New Year party
not to be able to show off my Squeezebox 3.


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[slim] How do I totally clear out my music list and start over?

2006-02-20 Thread Kyle

I'm starting to have duplicate tracks show up in my album listings.  A
clear and rescan seems to get rid of some of them, but not all of them.
Would erasure of my music files and a new scan help this problem, and
how would I do it?  I have WinXP, SS 6.2.1 and don't use MySQL or
SQLite.


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[slim] Re: Help Requested Please

2006-02-20 Thread abdomen

Also, try turning off any other computers/devices you may have on the
network. This would rule out a potential bandwidth competitor, or even
a device with a manually-assigned IP address conflicting with the
address of your Squeezebox. Not that I've ever been silly enough to let
that happen on my network. ;)


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[slim] no progress bar?

2006-02-20 Thread waldy
Hi,

How do I get just elapsed time on my squeezebox without the progress bar? 
Pressing now playing shows a progress bar with every elapsed time option. 
I've got elapsed time on the player settings (default interface SlimServer 
Version: 6.5b1 - 6019 - Linux, sb2)

thanks

Waldy 



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Re: [slim] WMA internet radio on linux?

2006-02-20 Thread Michael Herger

Is it possible to get a WMA internet radio station (specifically, CBC
Radio 1 Toronto[0]) streaming through slimserver running on a linux box?
 Is AlienBBC required to get it working?


I'd say so, yes. I can't actually listen to it as it's playing at home  
(and I'm at the office). But I see lame and mplayer happily working on my  
server (which they don't do when there is a problem).



[0] http://origin.www.cbc.ca/mrl2/livemedia/cbcr1-toronto.asx


The stream actually is mms://wm05.nm.cbc.ca/cbcr1-toronto


I forgot to mention something that's probably critical: I've got a
squeezebox 1G, so slimserver needs to transcode the stream to mp3.


AlienBBC is the key. Give it a try.

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