Re: [slim] Future - no future!?
But the tarket market of the Squeezebox is for people who appreciate good quality music. If colour is the guiding principle for your buying decision and outways the sound then why are you spending so much money? Plenty of other products on the market are much cheaper versions (cos they only play MP3) and come in lots of colours. Surely Squeezebox is positioned as a product with a USP of the best quality network music player for the price point? -- Paul_B Paul ~ Slimcentre 7.0A1 on EPIA VIA EN15000 Mini-ITX running Windows 2003 R2 (SP2). Remote storage QNAP(2.1.1T)~(300GB WD) SB3 (x1) RIP - dBpowerAMP R12.3 to FLAC ID3 Tags - MP3Tag v2.39 ~ Paul_B's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3039 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40309 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Future - no future!?
sd2100;243989 Wrote: I'm very sorry :-( but Mike your answer is the typical engineers answer. And that is not *god* enough. I don't think he ever claimed to be a deity. If the buying process is cancelled after a quick view at the black box it doesn't matter how good it performs sonically (if I can say so) or how easy it is to operate/use. I'm far from convinced that the lack of colour choices is a factor here. How many home audio components offer anything other than a very limited (or no) choice of colours? I don't believe that's a decision driven by engineers. Most audio companies employ very proficient marketing people and rainbow schemes tend to be noticable only by their absence. -- Fifer Fifer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=639 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40309 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Each new version of slimserver seems worse...
haunyack;243975 Wrote: So what! Play the music and shut the f**k up (my bad bro)...not pc but wtf. Or do what I do - go in the bathroom and turn on the shower, faucets, block the door, flush the (toilet,boudoir) and scream at the top of your lungs...(don't spill the pint) until it feels better. It's a work in progress. Cheers! . So what? I know what the software does and and what it used to do or are you to stupid to understand the point. and FU too. -- gdg gdg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1122 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40404 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Slimserver boot vs restart
Please help ... I can't be the only person in the world having this problem ... -- zkab zkab's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2306 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40183 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Squeezebox finally made it to Fry's
y360;243733 Wrote: And that's just why it might not fly with general public. Non-technical folks need outside help to set it up and maintain it. I agree - I suspect SB is a product just too clever for the high street. Try describing what it does beyond stream music to someone who only owns an ipod. Squeeze Center / Squeeze Network sound like cultish gibberish to the average unconverted heathen. At least until they see what they can do with them. But a NAS option like with the Sonos would be great. Of course I cannot appreciate how incredibly complicated that would be to implement! -- James_B James_B's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11309 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39408 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Each new version of slimserver seems worse...
seanadams;243980 Wrote: Indeed, the software deliberately avoids modifying any music files at all on your disk, and this has been a conscious design principle since version 1.0.One that should receive more praise. So get some from me: that's a wise decision! :D -- gorman gorman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40404 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Each new version of slimserver seems worse...
If you don't like it then use something else. -- Speed Speed's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40404 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Flac vulnerability
http://research.eeye.com/html/advisories/published/AD20071115.html I caught the above on /. I don't download flac so I can rest easy...but I wonder if the SB/Transporter use the vulnerable library. -- 4mula1 SlimServer 6.5.4 + Solaris 10 x86: Because Linux would've been too easy! 4mula1's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3439 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40407 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Future - no future!?
cliveb;244020 Wrote: Perhaps the SB3 is in danger of attempting to address two markets and missing out on both. Exactly! It is to beautyful designed to be taken serious and to boring (all black) to be lifestile. -- sd2100 sd2100's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14013 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40309 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Future - no future!?
Fifer;243994 Wrote: I'm far from convinced that the lack of colour choices is a factor here. How many home audio components offer anything other than a very limited (or no) choice of colours? As a lifestyle product, maybe sd2100 has a point. But I don't regard myself as having the aesthetic understanding to appreciate what is important in a lifestyle product. As a serious audio component, the packaging just isn't right. The current cute styling makes it *look* like a lifestyle product, and a lot of people who are serious about sound quality will dismiss it for that reason. If it were packaged in a more traditional 19 box it would have a better chance of acceptance by the audio world. Perhaps the SB3 is in danger of attempting to address two markets and missing out on both. -- cliveb Transporter - ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40309 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Future - no future!?
cliveb;244020 Wrote: As a serious audio component, the packaging just isn't right. The current cute styling makes it *look* like a lifestyle product, and a lot of people who are serious about sound quality will dismiss it for that reason. *If it were packaged in a more traditional 19 box it would have a better chance of acceptance by the audio world.* Isn't it even more bizarre for people who are serious about audio to dismiss something on aesthetic considerations? Don't serious audio enthuisiasts make decisions based on sound quality rather than appearance? Why would a manufacturer restrict the versatility of something which fits in the SB3 form factor by housing it in a casing more than ten times the volume it needs to be? The SB3 happily fits in nooks and spaces where a 19 box would be compeletely impractical. That (to me) is versatility, not 'lifestyle'. I'm obviously just not getting this issue. -- Fifer Fifer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=639 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40309 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Flac vulnerability
Dateline: 11/15/2007, http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40287 -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40407 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Future - no future!?
Fifer;244023 Wrote: Isn't it even more bizarre for people who are serious about audio to dismiss something on aesthetic considerations? Don't serious audio enthuisiasts make decisions based on sound quality rather than appearance? Why would a manufacturer restrict the versatility of something which fits in the SB3 form factor by housing it in a casing more than ten times the volume it needs to be? The SB3 happily fits in nooks and spaces where a 19 box would be compeletely impractical. That (to me) is versatility, not 'lifestyle'. I'm obviously just not getting this issue. I think the problem is that SB3 will be sold in places where convenience and lifestyle products are sold by the bucket load - and, guilty by association, it too will be perceived this way by a great many people. Us folks who've embraced the SB3 know what a quality device it is. But if you aren't too computer savvy, setting it up may be a problem. I wonder how many SB3s will be returned by customers who haven't persevered (or just couldn't be bothered) to get in running. It's not a plug and play device unless you already have your network configured, Slim Server running, and CDs ripped. If SB3 is to have a future it has to either live in its current niche as a great product for those in the know with the ability to get it running, or be sold with the proper support from the retailer. A great many people I know would never think about trawling through this forum for the great advice that the SB3/TP community offer (or even want to). They need their High Street/Internet/Mall (whatever) retailer to support them properly. This, IMO, is Logitech's greatest challenge in taking the SB3, and the streaming media concept, forward. -- morris_minor SB3 Sonifex RB DAC1 Musical Fidelity X10v3 Sudgen Headmaster Sennheiser HD 595 Michell Gyrodec SE DC [Tecnoarm, Goldring 1042] Graham Slee Era V Gold [Sugden Headmaster] . . . Pioneer DV565 universal player, Panasonic DVR, Yamaha DSPAX750SE, Kef Cresta 30 (fronts), Tannoy Profile 633 (rears) Mac Mini [1.83GHz, 2Gb], Iomega Minimax 500Gb, LaCie Ethernet BigDisk 1TB, D-Link DSL604+, M-Audio Transit USB, Audiolab 8000A, Monitor Audio M2s Crappy old PC - 1GHz Athlon morris_minor's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13950 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40309 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify
Procedure: 1. I generate 1KHz sinus -90db test signal with wavosaur 1.0.0.9000. File: sinus 1kHz -90dB.wav Format 24-bit mono wav Playing with SQ3: OK 2. I encode sinus 1kHz -90dB.wav to mp3 with lame 3.97 command: lame --preset insane sinus 1kHz -90dB.wav sinus 1kHz -90dB.wav.mp3 resulting File: sinus 1kHz -90dB.wav.mp3 Format MP3 Playing with SQ3: strange arthefacts in sound louder then test signal, very weird 3. Now I decide to decode MP3 on PC and play decoded wav file on SQ3. I decode sinus 1kHz -90dB.wav.mp3 on PC with 2 mp3 decoders: A. Lame command: lame --decode sinus 1kHz -90dB.wav.lame.mp3 sinus 1kHz -90dB.wav.lame.mp3.lame16.wav resulting File: sinus 1kHz -90dB.wav.lame.mp3.lame16.wav Format 16-bit mono wav Playing with SQ3: Distorted 1Khz (no dithering), OK for decoder without 24 to 16 bit dithering B. Mad 16 bit command: madplay -v -b16 -owav:sinus 1kHz -90dB.wav.lame.mp3.mad16.wav sinus1kHz -90dB.wav.lame.mp3 resulting File: sinus 1kHz -90dB.wav.lame.mp3.mad16.wav Format 16-bit mono wav Playing with SQ3: Clean 1Khz with dithering noise, OK for decoder with 24 to 16 bit dithering C. Mad 24 bit command: madplay -v -b24 -owav:sinus 1kHz -90dB.wav.lame.mp3.mad24.wav sinus1kHz -90dB.wav.lame.mp3 resulting File: sinus 1kHz -90dB.wav.lame.mp3.mad24.wav Format 24-bit mono wav Playing with SQ3: Clean 1Khz without noise just like original file, OK for full 24-bit decoder Additionaly, I normalized wavs to -6dB to hear diferences without extreme amplification: Normalized -6dB wavs: sinus 1kHz -90dB.nor -6dB.wav sinus 1kHz -90dB.wav.lame.mp3.lame16.nor -6dB.wav sinus 1kHz -90dB.wav.lame.mp3.mad16.nor -6db.wav sinus 1kHz -90dB.wav.lame.mp3.mad24.nor -6dB.wav Of course, to hear how SQ3 play problematic mp3 you must listen SQ3 directly with extreme amplification. 4. Conclusion Built-in MP3 decoder in SQ3 is problematic/flawed with some files, PC MP3 decoders (MAD and Lame) decodes that files correctly. Polite request to Sean Adams/Slimdevices: please fix it, best to implement full 24-bit MAD decoder as stated on Squeezebox product info web page: http://www.slimdevices.com/pi_squeezebox.html # MPEG decoding uses MAD software, widely regarded as the most accurate, most compatible MP3 decoder. # High accuracy 24-bit synthesis # Supports all MP3 data rates and sample rates, including VBR 5. Someone please test this procedure on your system, to verify my facts. If someone have sound card with s/pdif in please capture output from SQ3 when playing problematic mp3 file (sinus 1kHz -90dB.wav.mp3) for further analysis. Remarks -my system: windows Xp SP2, slimserver 6.5.3 -all wavs are 44.1KHz -all files except normalized are extremly quite, to hear something you must amplify to the max, I use SQ3 on 100% volume + headphone Amp with 11x amplification on Sennheiser HD580 please be very carefull when work with maximum volume beacuse you can easily damage your ears/equipment, start with low volume, then gradualy amplify -Used free software links: Wavosaur free audio editor http://www.wavosaur.com/download.php LAME 3.97 release http://www.rarewares.org/dancer/dancer.php?f=lame-current MADPlay v0.15.2b Command Line mp3 Player/Decoder http://www.rarewares.org/files/mp3/madplay-0.15.2b.zip All files mentioned here are available in zip file on link: http://www.mytempdir.com/2064518 contens of zip file: Directory of c:\slim\zip\t 20.11.2007 14:19DIR . 20.11.2007 14:19DIR .. 20.11.2007 14:00 3.469 description.txt 03.10.2006 14:33 520.192 lame.exe 20.11.2007 09:0231 lame16.cmd 20.11.2007 09:0135 lameencode.cmd 20.11.2007 09:0939 mad16.cmd 20.11.2007 09:1039 mad24.cmd 23.08.2004 10:09 137.728 madplay.exe 20.11.2007 14:19DIR normalized 20.11.2007 08:35 3.969.564 sinus 1kHz -90dB.wav 20.11.2007 09:01 1.202.676 sinus 1kHz -90dB.wav.lame.mp3 20.11.2007 12:04 2.647.434 sinus 1kHz -90dB.wav.lame.mp3.lame16.wav 20.11.2007 09:09 2.649.644 sinus 1kHz -90dB.wav.lame.mp3.mad16.wav 20.11.2007 09:11 3.974.444 sinus 1kHz -90dB.wav.lame.mp3.mad24.wav 20.11.2007 14:19 0 t 20.11.2007 09:00 311 Urls.txt 30.06.2007 23:49
Re: [slim] Future - no future!?
Fifer;244023 Wrote: Isn't it even more bizarre for people who are serious about audio to dismiss something on aesthetic considerations? Don't serious audio enthuisiasts make decisions based on sound quality rather than appearance? In principle, yes. But the world is full of cute lifestyle products, and as a general rule a lot of them are hopeless. Therefore, when one is faced with something that looks like a lifestyle product, the psychological instinct is to start with an assumption that it's probably mainly form and not much function. It's just not possible to thoroughly research every option, so a lot of people will remove items from the shortlist based on the it looks like a duck, so it's unlikely to be a swan premise. -- cliveb Transporter - ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40309 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Future - no future!?
cliveb;244031 Wrote: Therefore, when one is faced with something that looks like a lifestyle product, the psychological instinct is to start with an assumption that it's probably mainly form and not much function. It's just not possible to thoroughly research every option, so a lot of people will remove items from the shortlist based on the it looks like a duck, so it's unlikely to be a swan premise. Fair comment clive, but these days, there is the great leveller that is the internet. More and more people now begin their pre-purchasing research by googling for whatever it is they are looking for (even if they intend to buy from a store). I think on that basis, anyone googling for 'music streamer' or 'wireless music player' is going to get a pretty strong nudge in the right direction. -- Fifer Fifer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=639 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40309 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Squeezebox finally made it to Fry's
iPhone;243888 Wrote: Only real issue I see with this route is that the technology and drives are getting cheaper all the time and people are going to say, Why do I need another computer, I already have one. Then there is the cost, it pushes it above the Sonos. But surely such people do have a computer, and SS/SC works perfectly well on a regular desktop computer - in fact it's usually severe overkill. I've always used SS on my regular workaday desktop, never a problem even with all the other programs, firewalls, etc. -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39408 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Future - no future!?
morris_minor wrote: Us folks who've embraced the SB3 know what a quality device it is. But if you aren't too computer savvy, setting it up may be a problem. I wonder how many SB3s will be returned by customers who haven't persevered (or just couldn't be bothered) to get in running. It's not a plug and play device unless you already have your network configured, Slim Server running, and CDs ripped. Wow, this is so missing the point. It _is_ a plug an play device with squeeze _network_. The server is not the everyman solution, it's the hacker solution. For the non-tech-savvy consumer market, they've got squeeze network. As long as you've got a router that sees the internet, it Just Works. - Marc ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Unable to play any playlists through Squeezebox/Slimserver 6.5.4
gregious wrote: This started happening to me today as well. And it's happening with playlists I actually created using slimserver that I've had for months. All my playlists are empty. Hello slimsupport? Issue with the new version? This isn't slimsupport. This is slimusercommunity. You need to go over there - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Marc ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Each new version of slimserver seems worse...
gdg wrote: Now I can't even delete a playlist. This is just bull. What is the problem with this company? Slimserver started as a barely functional way to organize one's music and it's getting worse every time a new version comes out. How is it possible that one can't delete and artist or playlist directly? Why on earth haven't you just ebayed your squeezebox and washed your hands of it by now? - Marc ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Flac vulnerability
Had I made vulnerability plural in my search prior to posting I would've found it... -- 4mula1 SlimServer 6.5.4 + Solaris 10 x86: Because Linux would've been too easy! 4mula1's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3439 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40407 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Interest Check: UK Silver Wired SB2
I believe there's immense interest in SB2s due to their form factor. When I was looking to sell either my SB2 or my SB3 due to the arrival of my Transporter, there was more interest in my SB2 than my SB3. (Ended up keeping the SB2 though.) -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40395 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Replacement remote control
And the Harmony ones (as well as some others) can download configs. I've never had to manually learn anything for mine. -- radish radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40377 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Interest Check: UK Silver Wired SB2
Well, to put it mildly, while I appreciate it from an aesthetic point of view, I believe SB3 form factor is really unadequate for most installations. -- gorman gorman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40395 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Stuttering m4a playback under Vista with Squeezebox
How are you getting on with that? I have a spare drive which I might install on IDE and use that for Slimserver music. -- Xorro Black/Black SB3 | SS 6.5.2 | Vista Home Premium http://xorro.xpmg.co.uk Xorro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11097 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40001 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Stuttering m4a playback under Vista with Squeezebox
I have the same issue, I have 3 SATA drives connected to an NForce4 motherboard running RAID 5. Right now I'm using SlimServer on another server that isn't using a SATA drive to get around this issue. -- bradsjm bradsjm's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4760 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40001 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] 10.5.1(Leopard) and SqueezeCenter
Mario, Did you install SC system wide (for all users) or for you only? It looks as if couldn't find it's configuration file. Please try installing it for all users Could you please uninstall it, remove anything SC/SS related and try again? I updated to the latest nightly on Leopard without any issue. Michael -- ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] PlaysForSure DRM support
Now that Sonos announced Napster integration, supporting MS PlaysForSure DRM becomes a more pressing issue. I hope that adding a DRM to the firmware is feasible with the current hardware. I may be mistaken, but I vaguely remember a forum thread where it was claimed that firmware size is reaching the SB hardware limit ? -- y360 y360's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10150 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40412 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Future - no future!?
Marc Sherman;244048 Wrote: morris_minor wrote: Us folks who've embraced the SB3 know what a quality device it is. But if you aren't too computer savvy, setting it up may be a problem. I wonder how many SB3s will be returned by customers who haven't persevered (or just couldn't be bothered) to get in running. It's not a plug and play device unless you already have your network configured, Slim Server running, and CDs ripped. Wow, this is so missing the point. It _is_ a plug an play device with squeeze _network_. The server is not the everyman solution, it's the hacker solution. For the non-tech-savvy consumer market, they've got squeeze network. As long as you've got a router that sees the internet, it Just Works. - Marc Well, yes - if all you want is a World Band radio . . . -- morris_minor SB3 Sonifex RB DAC1 Musical Fidelity X10v3 Sudgen Headmaster Sennheiser HD 595 Michell Gyrodec SE DC [Tecnoarm, Goldring 1042] Graham Slee Era V Gold [Sugden Headmaster] . . . Pioneer DV565 universal player, Panasonic DVR, Yamaha DSPAX750SE, Kef Cresta 30 (fronts), Tannoy Profile 633 (rears) Mac Mini [1.83GHz, 2Gb], Iomega Minimax 500Gb, LaCie Ethernet BigDisk 1TB, D-Link DSL604+, M-Audio Transit USB, Audiolab 8000A, Monitor Audio M2s Crappy old PC - 1GHz Athlon morris_minor's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13950 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40309 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] PlaysForSure DRM support
While I don't have any interest in PlaysForSure (sic) myself, I also wonder about the future of Squeezebox firmwares, when I've heard the same thing about getting a little tight on room. Here's my thought and I'd love to hear feedback from a SlimDevices person. I assume a lot of the room in the firmware is taken up by decoders. I also assume that most users only actually need one or two decoders--the problem is that every user needs a DIFFERENT one or two decoders. So...what about a codec-free firmware with codec plugins? SlimServer would know which codecs you needed after scanning your system (plus MP3/WMA for web streams). An advanced user could select extra codecs if they listened to the odd OGG stream, etc. Or even just have multiple swappable firmwares: fw-open, fw-ms, and fw-apple. Not that any of this is necessary yet, but I could see it getting that way. -- CatBus CatBus's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7461 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40412 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] 10.5.1(Leopard) and SqueezeCenter
I installed the SC system for all users. I will get back to you this evening. Thank you! -- mario21 mario21's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11423 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40362 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Favourites - adding an Artist?
Hi all, SB3, latest version. I have two units, a Slim and a Logitech. Is it possible to add an ARTIST as a favourite? I've pressed the Favourites button whilst navigating to Browse Artists MyFavouriteArtist and I get the prompt to say that it has been added. Great. BUT... How I envisaged it working (or want it to work) is that when I browse my favourites and I find my artist, I then want to see all the albums by that artist - exactly as if I had done Browse Artists MyFavouriteArtist again. But instead I see all tracks by that artist in a huge playlist, instead of the albums. Am I missing something? Jim -- jimwillsher jimwillsher's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=410 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40413 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] PlaysForSure DRM support
y360;244056 Wrote: Now that Sonos announced Napster integration, supporting MS PlaysForSure DRM becomes a more pressing issue. I hope that adding a DRM to the firmware is feasible with the current hardware. I may be mistaken, but I vaguely remember a forum thread where it was claimed that firmware size is reaching the SB hardware limit ? What makes you think that PlayforSure support is in the Sonos? Because they have Napster? They are streaming, so it is probably an encrypted stream, not a DRM. Big difference. -- jeffmc JeffMc Pacific Northwest jeffmc's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11172 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40412 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Replacement remote control
Very impressive, thanks for the info. bLanark -- bLanark bLanark's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1640 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40377 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] PlaysForSure DRM support
y360;244056 Wrote: Now that Sonos announced Napster integration, supporting MS PlaysForSure DRM becomes a more pressing issue. I hope that adding a DRM to the firmware is feasible with the current hardware. I may be mistaken, but I vaguely remember a forum thread where it was claimed that firmware size is reaching the SB hardware limit ? Go back and look at a previous thread you started. It looks like it's coming, but not until after SC7. http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=243835#post243835 -- 4mula1 SlimServer 6.5.4 + Solaris 10 x86: Because Linux would've been too easy! 4mula1's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3439 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40412 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] How to detect if a SB2 is on?
Greetings all, I've got 3 SB2 (2 wired, one wireless). I'd like to be able to detect if they are powered on from another PC (linux box). Is there a socket connection that can be made to determine that? Ping always reports a reply from these always-on devices. Could there be a socket connection check to see if the SB2 is up? -- jasontemple jasontemple's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40419 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] PlaysForSure DRM support
On Nov 20, 2007 9:26 AM, y360 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that Sonos announced Napster integration, supporting MS PlaysForSure DRM becomes a more pressing issue. I really hope Logitech doesn't spend any time on PlaysForSure -- MS themselves don't even support it on their flagship media player (Zune). Ben ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to detect if a SB2 is on?
In your SlimServer/SqueezeCenter web UI, look in Help-Technical Information-Command Line Interface. You'll find all that and more. For sending the commands you work through a telnet connection or use something like netcat (nc) to do each as a standalone command. -kdf -- kdf kdf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40419 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Power consumption active speakers
mortslim;244106 Wrote: However to clarify what I have been told, even when no music is flowing but the speakers are on, you are consuming a lot of electricity. Kind of painting with a wide brush there...it depends on the amplifier. If it's a class D, it's 80% - 95% efficient. And that's assuming it's amplifying a signal, if there's no signal it'll hardly consume anything. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_amplifier Compare to a class A, which can double as a space heater even when idle. Now - to be fair, I haven't heard of studio monitors powered by class D amplifiers. -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40389 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to detect if a SB2 is on?
jasontemple wrote: Greetings all, I've got 3 SB2 (2 wired, one wireless). I'd like to be able to detect if they are powered on from another PC (linux box). Is there a socket connection that can be made to determine that? The HTML interface on the SlimServer will show you how many devices it knows about. Typically in a drop down box on the upper right side. This is alive and talking to the SlimServer which may not be the same as on in your question ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Added Second SB3 - now stuttering other issues
Hello all, I've seen a couple threads on similar topics, but there are so many variables, I thought I would seek some help. I have just installed a second SB3. The first one was working just fine. Its location is on the other side of a thick wall from the router. Now the original SB3 is stuttering and locking up. The new one seems to work fine. The original SB3 is in the same location. I have a good - excellent signal on my laptop in proximity to the stuttering SB3. When I installed the new SB3, the only thing I did in Slimserver was to name it. I don't know if they are assigned different IP addresses. Also, when I use Slimserver, I can only control the original SB3. How do I gan control of both/either SB3s? Also, I can only get my XM account working on the original SB3. Can I get it working on both? Can I switch compatibility to the new SB3? (saw some threads, but not sure what to do) Some data points: Vista Wireless G 2.4ghz cordless phone Wireless printer Stand alone house, but i pick up the neighbors networks faintly. No change to system that is now stuttering. Thanks so much for all the help. Please let me know if there are proceedures I should apply. -- roll - gybe roll - gybe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8975 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40420 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Each new version of slimserver seems worse...
gdg, Maybe you should apologize to the very nice folks here. You and a few others are the ones that make this forum unbearable to read at times. Also as a Senior Member of these forums you should know better than to be so rude. I have only had my Squeezebox for 3 months and even I know that they are not designed to ORGANIZE the music, but be used as a device to playback the music no matter how it is organized. As to your question I have no problem deleting playlists using 6.5.4 so maybe you should go back to the drawing board and rephraze your attitude and question and then just maybe I will post the answer to your question. -- schatzy schatzy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40404 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to detect if a SB2 is on?
kdf;244113 Wrote: In your SlimServer/SqueezeCenter web UI, look in Help-Technical Information-Command Line Interface. You'll find all that and more. For sending the commands you work through a telnet connection or use something like netcat (nc) to do each as a standalone command. -kdf That's exactly what I was looking for! Thanks kdf! -- jasontemple jasontemple's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40419 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to detect if a SB2 is on?
In case anyone is curious, it's quite straightforward. nc localhost 9090 status 00%3A04%3A20%3A05%3A7b%3A6c status exit player_name%3A192.168.1.102 player_connected%3A1 power%3A0 signalstrength%3A0 and you can read power 0 for off and power 1 for on. very easy. The plan is to use a fit-pc (5W linux box) to run the slimserver on and have it wake-on-lan the old disk array in the basement when needed (and shutdown when players detach). again thanks all... -- jasontemple jasontemple's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40419 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify
less technical description of problem: There is a mp3 with very very low volume. When playing this mp3 directly with squuezebox there is a loud strange noise (loud means louder then signal, not absolutely). When first decoding this mp3 on PC to wav and then playing that wav on squuezebox sound is more or less OK. My conclusion: inbuilt mp3 decoder is in a way broken. -- sikahr sikahr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14065 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40409 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Can't connect to OSX Leopard slimserver
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Re: [slim] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify
sikahr wrote: less technical description of problem: There is a mp3 with very very low volume. When playing this mp3 directly with squuezebox there is a loud strange noise (loud means louder then signal, not absolutely). When first decoding this mp3 on PC to wav and then playing that wav on squuezebox sound is more or less OK. My conclusion: inbuilt mp3 decoder is in a way broken. Alternative conclusion: Your MP3 file is in a way broken but different decoders react differently to it. These things are fairly common in IT. Regards, Peter ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify
Maybe, but i don't believe. I generate file with lame, no errors, on PC decoding is without problem, only one problem is decoding on squeeze. Additionally, I can generate similar file (I tried sinus 1kHz -100 db), problems haven't gone away. Regards, Nenad -- sikahr sikahr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14065 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40409 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify
On Nov 20, 2007 2:12 PM, sikahr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My conclusion: inbuilt mp3 decoder is in a way broken. It sounds to me like you've done a fair amount of analysis -- nice work. I think you should file a bug with all the appropriate attached data at bugs.slimdevices.com. If it's a decoder problem in the firmware then only a Logitech employee can really contribute, since the firmware is closed-source. Ben ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify
-why- is this a problem though? Sure it is a bug, but why were you testing for it? To me, it sounds a little like the Excel bug that appeared a few months back, here some forumulas resulting in 65,535 would appear as 100,000. http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2007/09/26b.html Yes it is a bug, but it only happens in 12 out of 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 possible floating point binary numbers. So really it isn't as sever are you would think. -- funkstar funkstar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40409 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify
Please try to listen, you will get clearer picture this way. sin 1KHz -80 db also have artifacts. -- sikahr sikahr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14065 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40409 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Added Second SB3 - now stuttering other issues
There is a network test plugin you can use to verify things are working. You should be able to do 2000Kbps at 100% with 11g. If you unplug the new one, does the old one return to working? -- SuperQ SuperQ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40420 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify
A. Lame command: lame --decode sinus 1kHz -90dB.wav.lame.mp3 sinus 1kHz -90dB.wav.lame.mp3.lame16.wav resulting File: sinus 1kHz -90dB.wav.lame.mp3.lame16.wav Format 16-bit mono wav Playing with SQ3: Distorted 1Khz (no dithering), OK for decoder without 24 to 16 bit dithering If I understand that right, it is the following: 1) 1Khz sine wave at -90db. 2) Converted with lame to an mp3. 3) Decoded with lame back to a wav. Played and it had distortion on the SB3, but not on your PC. That points to a flaw in your methodology and contradicts your claim: there was no use of the SB3 firmware for decoding that mp3... you used LAME. Yet the SB3 is 'distorted' and the PC isn't? Perhaps your PC sound card is resampling to 48khz and confusing the issue. -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40409 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify
Ben Sandee;244154 Wrote: It sounds to me like you've done a fair amount of analysis -- nice work. I think you should file a bug with all the appropriate attached data at bugs.slimdevices.com. If it's a decoder problem in the firmware then only a Logitech employee can really contribute, since the firmware is closed-source. Ben I already contacted slimdevices support. Someone with soundcard with spdif in and squeezebox please capture digital output from squeeze when playing problematic mp3 and post it somewhere. Thank You. -- sikahr sikahr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14065 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40409 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Possible SB3 Bug
Hi, Here is the odd behavior that my SB3 displays: While the SB is running but not streaming music, and the date/time screensaver is displayed, the display switches to the volume control for a couple seconds and then the display switches back to date/time. This occurs at seemingly random intervals. It may happen 2 minutes apart, or a couple hours apart. The SB is sitting on a shelf just below my TV, so while watching TV I often catch this happen out of the corner of my eye, so to speak. Last night I noticed it happen three times at about 1/2 hour intervals. I have seen it happen 3 or 4 times within a half hour. This does not appear to happen while music is playing through it. SlimServer Version: 6.5.5 - 14576 - Windows XP - EN - cp1252 Player Firmware Version: 81 This has been occuring for at least a couple months, and with previous nightly revisions of SS. Any ideas? Thanks, Brian -- btcompute btcompute's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10847 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40424 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify
I don't see an obvious problem with the test methodology, and it does look interesting to me. Even if lame is causing problems (I'm not sure what the difference between Distorted 1Khz (no dithering) and Clean 1Khz with dithering noise is) - it's clear from the test that MAD on the PC is producing different output than MAD on the SB. I'd test if I could, but everything is in boxes at my house :( -- radish radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40409 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify
snarlydwarf;244185 Wrote: If I understand that right, it is the following: 1) 1Khz sine wave at -90db. 2) Converted with lame to an mp3. 3) Decoded with lame back to a wav. Played and it had distortion on the SB3, but not on your PC. That points to a flaw in your methodology and contradicts your claim: there was no use of the SB3 firmware for decoding that mp3... you used LAME. Yet the SB3 is 'distorted' and the PC isn't? Perhaps your PC sound card is resampling to 48khz and confusing the issue. This is not a problem. Problem is squeezebox reproduction of mp3. please download files on http://www.mytempdir.com/2064518 and listen for yourself -- sikahr sikahr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14065 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40409 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Possible SB3 Bug
Is this a JVC TV? -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40424 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify
On Nov 20, 2007 4:20 PM, sikahr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I already contacted slimdevices support. Unless they filed a bug *for* you, go ahead and file a bug. I don't understand why everyone is jumping all over you honestly -- bug reports like this with detailed reproductions and calm, collected reasoning are very rare. *I* appreciate it, even if there is some logic to the thought that if you really want detailed audio reproduction, use FLAC. The truth is, my entire collection is MP3 and if the SB decoder can be made better then please make it so! Ben ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Possible SB3 Bug
snarlydwarf;244195 Wrote: Is this a JVC TV? No it isn't. Do you have a serious reason for asking, or it that a joke that I don't get? -- btcompute btcompute's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10847 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40424 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Possible SB3 Bug
In the ancient past, there was no real remote: the SliMP3 was pretty much a garage project and spending money on a custom remote would have been silly. So Sean and Co cheated: they had the original devices use JVC DVD remote codes and included a universal remote for the remote. These codes are still (by default) accepted and acted upon (you can disable it per-player, though). If you have a JVC TV (as I do), this is a good plan: or changing volume on the TV will also change volume on the SB. You may want to, for good measure, turn off the jvc_dvd IR map for that player. It is under player settings. (Since you don't know about the jvc codes, I doubt you're using a universal remote to use the SB, so it shouldn't be a big loss to you.) It really sounds like you are getting some stray IR from somewhere. And since it seems to show up while watching TV, I would suspect some overlap in the TV remote codes. Perhaps your TV uses something similar to JVC codes. (there -really- should be a standard for IR codes... like some International Infrared Consortium that hands out vendor codes and some fixed standards for the other bits like 'the next three bits determine the device type' or something. But there isn't.. vendors just make stuff up and hope it all works. Ironicially this breaks things if you have more than one product from a vendor.. I had a JVC TV, and if I actually had a JVC DVD player, god only knows which would respond to the volume control, since my official JVC remote -did- change the volume on the SB...) -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40424 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Each new version of slimserver seems worse...
How are you trying to delete the playlist? From the web interface? Which skin? -- 4mula1 SlimServer 6.5.4 + Solaris 10 x86: Because Linux would've been too easy! 4mula1's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3439 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40404 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify
Ben Sandee;244199 Wrote: I don't understand why everyone is jumping all over you honestly -- bug reports like this with detailed reproductions and calm, collected reasoning are very rare. I don't think anyone is jumping all over him. I just doubt the methodology or the wording is completely unclear to me. And I just downloaded the .ZIP and brought up wave viewers on a few of the files. Zoomed in appropriately, the 'sinus 1kHz -90dB.wav' file makes, as expected, a sine wave, though I can see steps in it, that is expected at this low level. Values range from 265 to -266. The interesting part is that 'sinus 1kHz -90dB.wav.lame.mp3.mad24.wav' looks -exactly- the same. There is not a single artifact of compression that I see. the only obvious difference is the range is slightly different: from 268 to -269. And even more interesting: 'sinus 1kHz -90dB.wav.lame.mp3.lame16.wav' looks like poop. It is far closer to a square wave than a sine wave, and even has very sharp corners. The range of values are entirely different as well. It is 0, 1 and -1. the 'sinus 1kHz -90dB.wav.lame.mp3.mad16.wav' is also very different from the source. The values range from +4 to -4 , and the waveform looks only barely like a sine wave, but I see values bounce like: 0, -1, -1, -1, 0, -2, 0, -1... I am at work: no headphones here, and my PC speakers suck so it's not like I could hear anything anyway. (Not bad for background music, but not about to pick up subtleties...) But from looking at the waveforms in those files, yeah, I am sure two of them sound the same, one is almost silence and one is... I have no idea what. Squigglies? -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40409 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Possible SB3 Bug
Actually, I am using a universal remote most of the time to control the SB. None of the components controlled by this remote are JVC. I can tell you that this behavior occurs when no buttons are being pushed. I see this happen when I am the only person in the house, and all I'm doing is sitting still in a chair watching the tube. I can't think of any extranious signals that might be causing this. (Even if there are some signals that I have overlooked, why would they cause this effect only during Date/Time mode?) Perhaps I should also note (in case it has any bearing on things)that I recently moved the SB from a different shelving unit about 10 feet from where it is now. The behavior occurred there also. Any other thoughts? -- btcompute btcompute's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10847 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40424 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] 10.5.1(Leopard) and SqueezeCenter
I did a clean install. I choose for all users. Same problem,,, -- mario21 mario21's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11423 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40362 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Each new version of slimserver seems worse...
seanadams;243980 Wrote: Sorry to hear about your frustration, but the fact is that SlimServer has never been intended to organize your music. Indeed, the software deliberately avoids modifying any music files at all on your disk, and this has been a conscious design principle since version 1.0. We chose to focus on playback only. There are lots of tools for organizing your music, fixing tags, and so on. Add me to the list of people who thank you for doing just that. I have plenty of other tools that do a great job at these other things. I'm on board with wanting Slimserver / Squeezecenter to just control my music selection and playback as well as possible. -- tonyptony tonyptony's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3397 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40404 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Each new version of slimserver seems worse...
This is certainly a thread illustrating how not to get help :) In some forums I have participated in, the original poster would have been roasted alive. Folks on these forums are pretty mellow, all in all. I view slimserver as a work in progress (as all software is) It is not perfect but it ain't bad either :) The Squeezebox has been the single best piece of technology I have bought in recent years. It has truly changed how we listen to music. Keep up the good work. -- brucegrr brucegrr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3964 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40404 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Each new version of slimserver seems worse...
People, I certainly have become frustrated myself at times with running Slimserver, but this forum has been fantastic. It is not like other forums, and it is important to treat everyone else you meet here as if they are someone that you would like to invite over to sit on your couch and listen to your new Dave Mason CD with you, or whatever you just got in the mail. Frustration is understandable, but the use of bad language is really bad form here. -Ron -- Ron F. *Squeezebox setup:* wireless SB3 - CI Audio VDA.2 DAC + VAC.1 PSU *Main rig:* NAD 7600 + NAD 2600A - Phase Tech PC-6.5 speakers *Headphone rig:* Headroom Max - Sennheiser 650s *Music Server:* Nano-ITX computer running SlimCD + 750 GByte HDD - Netgear wireless router *Other stuff:* NAD C542 CDP, NAD 6300 Tape, Monster 5100 Power conditioner, Outlaw Audio cables Ron F.'s Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5616 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40404 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Each new version of slimserver seems worse...
Ron F.;244248 Wrote: People, Frustration is understandable, but the use of bad language is really bad form here. -Ron So...hide your eyes. Shit happens. So, I said some shit that I should not have. Kinda shitty of me to contribute to the lower vibration of this thread. I deleted my shit, although I was quoted before the shit was removed. The shit hit the fan for awhile but cooler heads have prevailed - no? Shit, I'll do better next time I promise. Have a happy day - that's an order. ;-) . -- haunyack Transporter - BK R200.2 - Vandersteen 3A Signature. (Listening room) SB3 (RWA analog) - Rotel RB1070 - BW Matrix 805. (Bedroom) Fridgidare - Mirror Pond pale ale - easy chair w/remote - irritated neighbors. haunyack's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9721 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40404 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Future - no future!?
morris_minor;244058 Wrote: Well, yes - if all you want is a World Band radio . . . and assuming our non-techy user even knows what a router is . . and can then set it up . . then it does Just Work :o) Actually, it is already far more than a world-band radio. It connects you to music services like Pandora, Rhapsody, Live365, RadioIO, and now Slacker Radio. It also allows you to store your personal music collection in an MP3tunes music locker*, for access whether or not your computer/server is available. Basically, it's an IT-less, always-on, everyman version of SlimServer. About the only things you don't have are FLAC / ALAC support (*MP3tunes allows only compressed music files), and local plug-ins. And we're doing a LOT of work in the SqueezeNetwork area, so you'll see it continue to improve and evolve. -= Jim -- JimC well, she wasn't all of that, but she sure was some of that. -- BKlaas' college buddy JimC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9428 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40309 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Each new version of slimserver seems worse...
Everybody's a self-proclaimed moderator. No this, no that. Sterile, safe, boring. Jeez. . -- haunyack Transporter - BK R200.2 - Vandersteen 3A Signature. (Listening room) SB3 (RWA analog) - Rotel RB1070 - BW Matrix 805. (Bedroom) Fridgidare - Mirror Pond pale ale - easy chair w/remote - irritated neighbors. haunyack's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9721 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40404 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Each new version of slimserver seems worse...
Ooh...the forum police... Run! . -- haunyack Transporter - BK R200.2 - Vandersteen 3A Signature. (Listening room) SB3 (RWA analog) - Rotel RB1070 - BW Matrix 805. (Bedroom) Fridgidare - Mirror Pond pale ale - easy chair w/remote - irritated neighbors. haunyack's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9721 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40404 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Possible SB3 Bug
First thought, slightly long shot - is your slimserver externally visible on the internet? Second thought, slightly more likely - plugins? Try disabling all plugins and see if the behaviour changes. If it does change, turn d_plugins on in debugging settings and see what shows up in the log. Ceejay -- ceejay ceejay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=148 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40424 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify
Sean, thank you for your answer. I will try stereo tonight and report results here. regards, Nenad -- sikahr sikahr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14065 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40409 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify
Ben, thank you for support Nenad -- sikahr sikahr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14065 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40409 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Christmas Music
You can tune in Christmas Music 24/7 station from Live365 under Internet Radio Live365 Genres Seasons/Holidays - Christmas, you can choose Christmas music stations within this area. I think you need to subscribe (free) as member and sign in. -- auronthas Auronthas Digital Sources: Squeezebox 3 / Cambridge Audio 540C V2 Integrated Amplifier: Cambridge Audio 540A Loudspeaker: Sonus Faber Concertino Domus Interconnect cables : Van den Hul The Source Speaker cables : Van den Hul Goldwater / Ortofon SPK 200 Accessories: Tajima Power Conditioner OS: Window Vista SqueezeCenter Version: 7.0 - 14651 (Nightly release 13/11) Firmware: 83 Wired/wireless router: Aztech DSL600EW (ADSL2/2, Wireless 802.11b/g 125Mbps 4-port ethernet router) auronthas's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12394 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40396 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
