Re: [slim] iPeng Application 1.0 now on the App Store

2009-04-04 Thread amcluesent

The concept of a single remote using an iPod touch that was wireless /
networked across all my AV equipment sounded very appealing.

The suppliers of iRedTouch, Airremote etc. think so too!


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[slim] Smart Replay Gain where only one adjustment tag

2009-04-04 Thread WhaleOil

I know that there has been lots of discussion about Replay Gain, but I
wonder if I could suggest a change/enhancement to the behaviour of
'Smart' Replay Gain.

As I understand it, the Smart setting recognises if you are playing a
series of individual tracks or a complete album and picks the
appropriate adjustment based upon the Track and Album replay gain tags
in the file.

Now here comes the rub.  I use iTunes to organise and tag my music and
it only has one replay gain tag (actually called Sound Check in Apple
world).  I think that this is stored as a non-standard tag called
iTunesNORM.  There does not seem to be an easy way to set separate
track and album tags.  I guess I could use a different program, but I
like iTunes and it works well for me with a mix of MP3 and Apple
Lossless files.

SC seems to read the iTunes adjustment just fine, but because there is
only one tag, it uses the same tag for both Track and Album adjustment
and so the Smart setting makes no difference.

Could I suggest that where there is only one Volume Adjustment/Sound
Check/Replay Gain tag (or equivalently when a specific Album Gain tag
is not present) then the SC 'Smart' setting should use the adjustment
in the tag for playing individual tracks and set a zero adjustment when
playing albums.  I recognise that this means there will be a jump in
volume when moving from playing individual tracks to an album, but at
least once you settle down to listen to an album you can just adjust
the volume at the beginning.  At the moment, I have to remember to bury
down into the settings menu and turn Replay Gain off manually before
listening to an album.

What do others think?

WhaleOil


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Re: [slim] Smart Replay Gain where only one adjustment tag

2009-04-04 Thread Phil Leigh

WhaleOil;412855 Wrote: 
 I know that there has been lots of discussion about Replay Gain, but I
 wonder if I could suggest a change/enhancement to the behaviour of
 'Smart' Replay Gain.
 
 As I understand it, the Smart setting recognises if you are playing a
 series of individual tracks or a complete album and picks the
 appropriate adjustment based upon the Track and Album replay gain tags
 in the file.
 
 Now here comes the rub.  I use iTunes to organise and tag my music and
 it only has one replay gain tag (actually called Sound Check in Apple
 world).  I think that this is stored as a non-standard tag called
 iTunesNORM.  There does not seem to be an easy way to set separate
 track and album tags.  I guess I could use a different program, but I
 like iTunes and it works well for me with a mix of MP3 and Apple
 Lossless files.
 
 SC seems to read the iTunes adjustment just fine, but because there is
 only one tag, it uses the same tag for both Track and Album adjustment
 and so the Smart setting makes no difference.
 
 Could I suggest that where there is only one Volume Adjustment/Sound
 Check/Replay Gain tag (or equivalently when a specific Album Gain tag
 is not present) then the SC 'Smart' setting should use the adjustment
 in the tag for playing individual tracks and set a zero adjustment when
 playing albums.  I recognise that this means there will be a jump in
 volume when moving from playing individual tracks to an album, but at
 least once you settle down to listen to an album you can just adjust
 the volume at the beginning.  At the moment, I have to remember to bury
 down into the settings menu and turn Replay Gain off manually before
 listening to an album.
 
 What do others think?
 
 WhaleOil
Not necessary - simply add proper track/album replaygain to your files
in addition to the iTunes tag and SC will sort it out.


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Re: [slim] iPeng Application 1.0 now on the App Store

2009-04-04 Thread pippin

Andy8421;412839 Wrote: 
 Slightly off topic, but have you looked at using the IR capabilities in
 squeeze products to give iPeng control over other AV devices? To my
 simple mind, it doesn't seem that much of a stretch.
 
What would it have to do?

iPeng 1.1 has some improved support for volume control through
IRBlaster, but I think you would want more than that.

A programmable keyboard or something? Does IRBlaster support something
like that so that it would only need an interface?


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Re: [slim] Smart Replay Gain where only one adjustment tag

2009-04-04 Thread probedb

Yep, iTunes does not use Replaygain, it has it's own soundcheck field
which is nothing to do with RG.

You need to scan and add RG tags using something else.


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[slim] Buried Treasure

2009-04-04 Thread Labarum

Been in Cyprus a few days and made a start at sorting the house out. My
wife inherited it from her aunt, and the old lady threw nothing out
since the house was built in 1952.

Been mucking out the kitchen cupboards. They were lined with
newspapers from 1962.

But in one of the outhouses . . . two remarkable finds. A Philips
BX230U table top wireless (radio), and a PYE BLACK BOX

I have know for years there was an acoustic gramophone in the house,
but the Black Box is a very nice find. I changed the plug - it had a 2
pin 5A plug with only one pin! I put one of the 78s from the gramophone
on the Monarch Autochanger, and off it went.

The Philips radio does work but may need some attention - it's an
average wireless of the day. The Black Box was rather up market - what
do they sell for today?

I am staring at a very silent Boom I brought with me from UK. My laptop
works if one chair is precisely positioned near the open lounge window -
then I can borrow (with permission) WiFi from a neighbour. There is not
enough signal for anything serious, that will have to wait for
http://www.cyta.com.cy/index-en.htm and http://www.prime-tel.com/ to
get themselves sorted out!

In the meantime I keep thinking about what I can do with that black box
- one small lounge in the house (the Cypriot style entrance) we will
leave entirely 50s retro . . . now could I hitch up a hidden SB3 for a
Wireless in that room? Lots more pressing issues before fun like
that!

(Look well down this page
http://www.rewindmuseum.com/vintageturntable.htm for pics of Black Box)


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Re: [slim] can a wired SB3 be upgraded to wireless?

2009-04-04 Thread lostboy

I have a wired only SB2 and the mini-PCI slot has not been soldered to
the processor board so would be unable to upgrade.  I'd always open the
thing up to check before buying a card.

Chris


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[slim] SB3 not turning on after extended time unplugged

2009-04-04 Thread garym

I'm having an odd problem with my new SB3 (classic). Already have two
booms and a duet and have never had any issues setting up or using any
of these. I set up a new SB3 in a room with wireless to access SN. 
Worked well for two weekends. I always unplug the powerstrip that
stereo and SB is connected to when I'm away.  On a return after 2
weeks, I turned on power strip and got nothing from SB3. Screen is
blank. Never saw the usual booting up screen (logitech, connecting,
etc.).  The SB is getting some power at least (the red glow behind
the optical digital out is there).  Tried plugging and unplugging
several times. Tried the usual hold ADD button down when plugging back
in or Hold #1 button down.  And it was not the brightness being
turned to off either. Nothing worked. Tested the remote control on an
SB Boom and remote is working ok.  Tried for about an hour and nothing
ever worked---screen was blank and apparently dead. Went to bed, and
first thing this morning, the time screen saver is on the SB3, I turned
it on with power button and started listening to SN. It has been playing
for the last hour just fine. Firmware was up to date by the way.

Do I have a faulty unit (or faulty power supply)?  Is it something
related to being unplugged for two weeks? (although note, after initial
SB3 install, it was unplugged for one week and fired back up as soon as
plugged in). Has anyone else had this problem.


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Re: [slim] Next product I want from SD er Logitech: SqueezeVideo

2009-04-04 Thread gorman

signor_rossi;412226 Wrote: 
 Would the Acer Hornet (hopefully not a joke) and the EEE Box 206 be
 suitable hardware devices for that?The former under Linux (using VDPAU for 
 video decoding), the latter not
so much, as DXVA decoding is not supported and VDPAU works only for
Nvidia.


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Re: [slim] can a wired SB3 be upgraded to wireless?

2009-04-04 Thread widman

I purchased my SB3 as wired-only, but it does have the mini-pci slot
on the board.

pete


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Re: [slim] Next product I want from SD er Logitech: SqueezeVideo

2009-04-04 Thread signor_rossi

gorman;412903 Wrote: 
 The former under Linux (using VDPAU for video decoding), the latter not
 so much, as DXVA decoding is not supported and VDPAU works only for
 Nvidia.

Thanks for the info, I will keep that in mind (the EEE 206 is too
expensive anyway). Building a video box (at a reasonable price) will be
my next project after I have the audio setup sorted out at my home (old
thin client server, SB3 for my mom, and Duet and now Boom for me).

SignorRossi.


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Re: [slim] Smart Replay Gain where only one adjustment tag

2009-04-04 Thread Chunkywizard

Foobar2000 does a good job of this, see:
http://www.bobulous.org.uk/misc/Replay-Gain.html

HTH

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Re: [slim] Smart Replay Gain where only one adjustment tag

2009-04-04 Thread Moonbase

WhaleOil;412855 Wrote: 
 What do others think?

Others think that even big and ignorant companies like Apple should do
things -right- and adhere to existing standards — instead of
introducing half-baked new features every second week just to keep
theirs a closed, proprietary world.

If you can’t get an album gain from Apple’s SoundCheck, go complain at
Apple. SC does the best it can, and using track gain is much better
than using none.

There -could- be an easy solution to this, by using -foobar2000- or
another ReplayGain calculating software to add -both- values as tags
into the file (which iTunes wouldn’t use), -but- SqueezeCenter still
prefers the SoundCheck value if both SoundCheck and real (track +
album gain) Replay Gain tags are in the file. Sigh.

I (AGAIN) STRONGLY SUGGEST THAT SC SHOULD PREFER THE REPLAY GAIN VALUES
IF -BOTH- REPLAY GAIN -AND- APPLE SOUNDCHECK VALUE TAGS ARE FOUND IN ANY
ONE FILE!

This would at least make more users happy, since they could have best
of both worlds, without having to wait for Apple to do something
sensible (which will probably never happen).

Please -vote- for the long outstanding 'bug 4362'
(http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4362) if you want to see
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Re: [slim] Next product I want from SD er Logitech: SqueezeVideo

2009-04-04 Thread Peter
tamanaco wrote:
 funkstar;412216 Wrote: 
   
 It would also make a lot of sense for Logitech to buy a company that
 already does video streaming and roll that into the SMBU as well.
 

 Vudu could be a good candidate for acquisition... They have the box
 with best video quality for streamed VOD (HDX), they have a nice UI,
 they are about to release a development environment to expand Vudu Labs
 and might be in need of some cash. Oh, ahd I already own one their
 boxes.

 Btw, they also support, YouTube, Picasa, Flickr and recently added
 Pandora support which allows multiple accounts from one box.
   

Lot of sense in this subthread. I currently own a NMT/HDX-1000. I'm 
pretty pleased with it but it doesn't integrate well. Such a box with a 
squeezeclient built in would be great to have. I figure Logitech will 
buy one down the line. Or just license the Networked Media Tank software 
and add a squeezeclient to it.

Regards,
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Re: [slim] Native AAC Support

2009-04-04 Thread jeremygray

Nonreality;410827 Wrote: 
 It's a nightmare for you to listen to but you still use AAC?
I think you might have misread me. I said that music training makes it
a nightmare to listen to off-key vocals, etc. I also said that I can
hear compression artifacts in any lossy encoding at any rate I've tried
(and even a few that are out-of-spec.) I didn't say that AAC is a
nightmare to listen to. :)

That aside for the moment, the only reason I even use AAC is because it
is the most sonically transparent of the lossy options available for a
reasonable number of portable players. Were iPods to have gigabytes
upon gigabytes of solid-state storage I'd be off of AAC and using only
lossless faster than you could say Go! :D


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Re: [slim] iPeng Application 1.0 now on the App Store

2009-04-04 Thread Aesculus

Andy8421;412839 Wrote: 
 Pippin,
 
 Slightly off topic, but have you looked at using the IR capabilities in
 squeeze products to give iPeng control over other AV devices? To my
 simple mind, it doesn't seem that much of a stretch.
 
 I was wrestling with my Logitech harmony remote yesterday, which has a
 beast of a touchscreen interface and thought that the iPeng / iPod type
 application would be much better.  
 
 Wouldn't involve any additional hardware except for the IR wand as I
 think squeeze products (apart from duet?) can drive an IR LED
 directly.
 
 The concept of a single remote using an iPod touch that was wireless /
 networked across all my AV equipment sounded very appealing.
 
 Just a thought.
SC works as a server application. When you point an IR controller at a
SB it just takes the command and passes it to the server. The server
then takes action and actually tells the box what to do.  This is that
way because any device (controller, SB, web interface, 3rd party
plugins, ...) can tell the SC server what they want and then the server
sends the commands to the device.

So the best way to use iPeng in my mind is for it to send commands to
the server (which is what it is doing natively) and have the server
direct the action appropriately.

There are various tools out there to create plugins for example and
some of these also pick up the information within the plugin to
communicate to other devices.  For example I wrote a plugin that picks
up volumn changes from the SB (could be driven by iPeng, SB remote, web
...) and it then communicates to an AVR to actually process the
request.

In iPeng 1.1 it exposes more server sided functionality without
actually having rewritten that code natively in iPeng.  Asking iPeng to
create new and unique controls that would be useful from SC in general
is a sticky slope from a development standpoint.  Its better, more
efficient and cleaner to do this from the server side.

Now having said that I am sure that there are some specific features
that might be best done natively and don't have a universal appeal.  ie
like getting access to native content on the iTouch device.


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[slim] Squeezebox reconnecting to worst signal in WDS configuration

2009-04-04 Thread Squid

I have a WDS configuration at home. This basically means that I have two
wireless routers where one acts as a wireless bridge to the other. This
also means that both have the same SSID, key, etc... Devices then
connect to the closest router for the best signal.

With my Squeezebox I have a problem though. When the Squeezebox is
booted, it does connect to the closest router and gets excellent
signal. However, after some period (may be days or weeks) I would
suddenly notice that the display is very choppy and the music may be
interrupted. After checking the routers, I then notice that the
Squeezebox is now connected to the farthest router instead of the
closest one. The only way to resolve this is to unplug my Squeezebox
and let it reboot after which it again connects to the closest router.

Is there any way around this problem ? Also, is this some kind of bug
in Squeezebox ? Since my other devices always choose the best signal,
and would transparently switch from one to the other if I move around.

Thanks!


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Re: [slim] iPeng Application 1.0 now on the App Store

2009-04-04 Thread pippin

Chris,

actually that was what I meant. However, if iPeng's got to support it,
you also need some UI, and just having menus may be a bit too little.
Although it has the big advantage that it will work with the Controller
and Squeezeplay, too.
But you can still re-map menu items to something else and part of this
is what the upcoming iPeng 1.2 interface is about. For example, I plan
to include a Power button for servers that can shut down a server
using the SvrPowerControl plugin and will wake it up by sending a WOL
packet. Of course this is all proprietary but once it works you could
as well define some standardized interface.

Another idea I had, especially with local playback in mind, was that
you could connect players to the server that are not really players.
They would have only part of the capabilities, most notably not the
actual playback capabilities, but you could for example use the
interfaces for play, pause, skip, volume... If a plugin did that and
used these commands to drive an external unit, it's a way to wrap your
whole entertainment into the SB architecture. IRBlaster is going into
the direction but not fully so. Your plugin does the same but only in
connection with an amp connected to a player, if I understand it right.
But theoretically you could write a plugin that wraps a TV control into
this, since essentially all you need for a TV is power, skip and volume
and then you could have a player TV controlled through your SC based
equipment.

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[slim] SB1 syncing tips?

2009-04-04 Thread sander

As the proud new owner of an original Squeezebox, I'm having a problem
when it syncs with the newer units in my house.

Specifically new songs pause twice at consistent intervals when they
start on all units and it takes a couple of seconds until the SB1 syncs
up correctly.

Does anyone know of a setting that can be made to fix this or is it a
limitation of this model.

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Re: [slim] iPeng Application 1.0 now on the App Store

2009-04-04 Thread Aesculus

pippin;412941 Wrote: 
 Chris,
 
 actually that was what I meant. However, if iPeng's got to support it,
 you also need some UI, and just having menus may be a bit too little.
 Although it has the big advantage that it will work with the Controller
 and Squeezeplay, too.
 But you can still re-map menu items to something else and part of this
 is what the upcoming iPeng 1.2 interface is about. For example, I plan
 to include a Power button for servers that can shut down a server
 using the SvrPowerControl plugin and will wake it up by sending a WOL
 packet. Of course this is all proprietary but once it works you could
 as well define some standardized interface.
 
 Another idea I had, especially with local playback in mind, was that
 you could connect players to the server that are not really players.
 They would have only part of the capabilities, most notably not the
 actual playback capabilities, but you could for example use the
 interfaces for play, pause, skip, volume... If a plugin did that and
 used these commands to drive an external unit, it's a way to wrap your
 whole entertainment into the SB architecture. IRBlaster is going into
 the direction but not fully so. Your plugin does the same but only in
 connection with an amp connected to a player, if I understand it right.
 But theoretically you could write a plugin that wraps a TV control into
 this, since essentially all you need for a TV is power, skip and volume
 and then you could have a player TV controlled through your SC based
 equipment.
 
 Cool?

Yes but there are two issues here.  One is that SC can only interpret
certain events.  For example in the API you can see what you can
subscribe to in the command callbacks.  If an event is driven from one
of these events, then you can either trap that event and have SC ignore
it while your plugin does whatever you want, or you can let SC do its
thing and continue to do what you want outside of SC.

The other situation is sort of like what you are describing. Complety
new events that SC knows nothing about and would never be aware of. 
Let me give some examples:

For the first type of event you may have the turning on/off a SB or
adjusting volume, picking a track, running a search etc.  All of these
events you use your SB for you could attach related events to like
having an AMP turn on/off, adjusting your lighting to match the gendre
of song being played etc.  This is all related to what you are doing
with the SB.

For the second example its a bit tougher.  You have to leave the SC
environment and ask yourself what does iPeng need to do thats not
connected with a SC event?  Perhaps this is your point with the UI. For
example maybe you want to kick off an application that shows you how
much power all of the SB's and amps you have connected are using.

My only point is that things that are intrinsic to SC should stay
server sided if possible so it works with the largest possible mixture
of devices.  Things that are heavily UI or device dependant could run
natively.

I may still be confused by all of the features you have cooked up for
iPeng and we will have to wait and see what comes in 1.2.  I just see a
lot of features people are asking for are truely capable today, although
they may not be available.  I was suprised what you had to do to support
IRBlaster in 1.1 for example.  One would have thought that no special UI
would have been required in iPeng to support that.  But of course you
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Re: [slim] Smart Replay Gain where only one adjustment tag

2009-04-04 Thread MrSinatra

i agree, SC should ONLY use RG tags if they are present, and not itunes
garbage.  it certainly should not use itunes over RG, or both together
at the same time.

however, the OP seemed to be asking a different question...

if ONLY itunes is present, or if only ONE RG value is present (the
track value i assume), can the smart setting on SC be smart enough
to disable using RG at all if it thinks an album is being played?

seems like a liget/valid request to me, at least in the case of files
with ONLY itunes soundcheck.

its not quite as valid for files with only track RG tags, b/c usually
those files don't have album RG tags b/c they don't have ALBUM name
tags either, so how would SC know the tracks in the playlist were from
the same album?

i suppose SC could guess at it using folder location and guess tag
format etc...  but this would be instance where i think fixing tags
makes more sense.

however, for someone only using soundcheck, this sounds like a valid
enh request to me.


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Re: [slim] Smart Replay Gain where only one adjustment tag

2009-04-04 Thread MrSinatra

moonbase, i wonder why the bug continues to languish?

i don't see why they tie it to the new schema?  i don't think resolving
it needs the new schema, not even close.


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Re: [slim] Smart Replay Gain where only one adjustment tag

2009-04-04 Thread Moonbase

Re bug  new schema: I reckon 8303 is kinda container where all things
are kept that mustn’t be forgotten when building up the new schema,
that’s probably why it’s tied in there.

This doesn’t mean it can’t be fixed before — and I strongly hope for
that …


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Re: [slim] Buried Treasure

2009-04-04 Thread funkstar

That is a very nice looking player! I love the style.

Nice find there Labarum. Hope you enjoy yourself in Cyprus :)


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Re: [slim] Buried Treasure

2009-04-04 Thread MrSinatra

i have something very similar...

my grandfather was a radio man in philadelphia and he had a radio /
turntable put into a small chest, a wine chest i believe, somewhat
ornate.

its really quite amazing and has been rewired to work with todays
power.

i'll try to get some pics of it up later, i'm not sure what stuff
makes up its innerds.


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Re: [slim] Smart Replay Gain where only one adjustment tag

2009-04-04 Thread Nonreality

I agree that SC should use RG over Soundcheck if in the same track.  I
guess the bug that added RG and soundcheck together has been resolved
in the latest versions so having both won't be a problem like it was a
few versions ago.


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Re: [slim] iPeng Application 1.0 now on the App Store

2009-04-04 Thread Andy8421

Pippin, Chris,

Having read your comments, I can see this is rather more involved than
I had appreciated.  I looked at Airremote and Iredtouch and they are
both pretty much what I was after - iPod multiple remotes - but both
involve buying relatively expensive hardware that sits on the network
and drives the IR leds to control the AV equipment.  I already have
that functionality in the squeeze products and they are already sitting
next to the devices I wish to control. So I had hoped that it would be a
'relatively' simple task to use the squeeze IRBlaster capability under
the control of iPeng to drive the AV equipment. 
Pippin, if you have a couple of minutes to have a look at the websites
for the two products mentioned, they do a good job of describing the
functionality I am looking for.

This does raise an interesting question for Logitech and other box
manufacturers who make their money by giving software away and charging
for the box. While some may disagree, the Squeeze Controller and
Logitech Harmony handheld remotes are not is the same league as the
iPod touch, either in form factor or usability. Harmony in the UK is
twice the price of an iPod touch, and is not without its issues. 
Whether Apple realised it at the time or not, they have produced a
multi purpose handheld controller that happens also to be an iPod. This
could be a game changer for Logitech and similar.


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Re: [slim] Buried Treasure

2009-04-04 Thread Labarum

MrSinatra;412977 Wrote: 
 i have something very similar...
 

Ah, Mr Sinatra, this Black Box, with a bit of love and attention would
play your vintage records very well. Pity I only have a few scratched
78s.

The cartridge need replacing with a stereo one (wired in parallel) -
the installed mono cartridge would wreck any stereo LP - but even with
a new cartridge it would plough up the grooves and make difficult any
subsequent playback on a Linn Sondek (or similar).

Now the case would be a good sound insulation box for a media PC, but
that would be a travesty.


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