Re: [slim] Rebuffering is ruining the Squeezebox experience
Here is a copy of a comment I posted in bug 13092: > > Bug 9517 meant that, prior to 7.3 (SB fw 117, TR fw 67, SBR fw 52, SBB > fw 37), > FLAC playback was almost incapable of generating the necessary underrun > events > to provoke rebuffering. There may have been gappy playback but no > "rebuffering" would have occurred. > > It is possible that there is some other f/w bug that means that > underrun events are now being generated unnecessarily, in turn provoking > rebuffering when it is not needed. > I was responsible for the new-streaming work in SC 7.3. Although a lot of code changed, I cannot think of anything that would impede the streaming of local FLAC tracks. I have been over the code several times. It is clear that some people are seeing issues that were not there before. Despite significant investigations, we are no closer to understanding why. If you are in a position to provide useful diagnostic information (for local FLAC tracks only) then please do so in https://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13092 -- awy awy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7480 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65719 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] A rant towards a rescue. Needed. NOW. ... From here to where?
peterw;449366 Wrote: > I'm so tired of this "wired to the router" myth. How about SC running on a laptop wirelessly connected to the music store myth? LOL. OK, I can accept for some people who know what they're doing, a wirelessly connected server can work. For most though, it's going to be trouble. I think wirelessly connecting SC to a music storage is trouble, and doing that from a laptop not dedicated to SC duties is going to be flat out flakey. -- shake-the-disease Players: Boom, SB3 Server: QNAP TS-239 w/ SSOTS 3.18, SS 7.3.3, MusicIP 1.8, 7k+ tracks (formally running SS 6.3.1 on a QNAP TS-101 streaming to a SB1) http://www.last.fm/user/ducVduc shake-the-disease's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=698 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66745 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] A rant towards a rescue. Needed. NOW. ... From here to where?
shake-the-disease;449319 Wrote: > > SC, for stable running needs to run on either > 1) a dedicated server, with music stored locally, wired to the router > 2) a powerful NAS, with music stored locally, wired to the router > I'm so tired of this "wired to the router" myth. My Squeezebox server uses a wireless bridge, and all but one of my players connect to the home network via wifi. Only the kitchen player has had trouble, and that's because the microwave would sometimes knock it, *not* the server, off the network. No, I don't play flac or wav. Yes, wired connections are always more reliable, but they are NOT needed. Shoot, I can stream DVD-quality *video* across my G network. 320k MP3, even with multiple players synced, is nothing. My 2 cents on this thread: 7.3 has been very good to me. 7.4, not so much, but then I usually avoid running the betas anywhere other than my development system until public release seems imminent. I, too, wish there was more guidance about where things are headed. I think communicating plans and documenting APIs has always been an area that could stand improvement, but look at the competition -- closed development, and zero support for 3rd-party enhancements. I'm confident we're still pretty lucky to have the Slim Devices folks running this enterprise. -- peterw http://www.tux.org/~peterw/ free plugins: http://www.tux.org/~peterw/#slim AllQuiet BlankSaver ContextMenu FuzzyTime KidsPlay KitchenTimer PlayLog PowerCenter/BottleRocket SaverSwitcher SettingsManager SleepFade StatusFirst SyncOptions VolumeLock peterw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2107 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66745 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to access Squeezeplay menus?
jtpowell;449322 Wrote:
> The jsonrpc commands follow the cli documentation
> The commands are sent as an http POST to your servers jsonrpc.js
> The post information looks like the following
> {"id":1,"method":"slim.request","params":["192.168.1.114",["playlist","play","2802"]]}
>
> I'm using the jsonrpc.js for Squeeze Mobile so feel free to message me
> if you need help with them.
Very cool, thanks.
I'm interested in accessing the Extras menus and acting on them.
Any experience?
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Re: [slim] How to do "whole house" audio (multi-room, multi-source)?
You say it's multi-source, but it sounds like a Squeezebox-only setup, right? If so, then your Audiosource plan sounds fine. Most of us would recommend that you put each Receiver and amp in the same room as the speakers -- long digital ethernet runs, short speaker cables. If you want the ability to play multiple sources, then you could look at a multizone receiver (Aesculus has a plugin for more expensive ethernet-equipped Denon amps; I have an alpha-quality one for cheaper RS232-equipped Denon amps; both allow Controllers to set the amp volume, turn the amp off, etc.), or having a receiver/preamp feed an audio input on your SqueezeCenter host so you could stream miscellaneous audio sources as 320k MP3. AllQuiet won't help you if all you have are Duets/Receivers, as it currently is only usable with IR-equipped players (Classic, Boom, Transporter). If all your players are synced, then the Pause button is good enough. :-) Otherwise I could write a Controller/SqueezePlay interface for AllQuiet and you'd have to do something like Home > scroll to All Quiet > press center button. Would that be worthwhile for you? Another option that I could work up pretty easily would be letting you customize what happens when you press the button on the front of a Receiver, so pressing the button on any Squeezebox Receiver would silence all the Squeezeboxes. -- peterw http://www.tux.org/~peterw/ free plugins: http://www.tux.org/~peterw/#slim AllQuiet BlankSaver ContextMenu FuzzyTime KidsPlay KitchenTimer PlayLog PowerCenter/BottleRocket SaverSwitcher SettingsManager SleepFade StatusFirst SyncOptions VolumeLock peterw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2107 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66737 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Customized "Shuffle" feature?
MusicIP + Sugarcube is shuffle on steriods. -- shake-the-disease Players: Boom, SB3 Server: QNAP TS-239 w/ SSOTS 3.18, SS 7.3.3, MusicIP 1.8, 7k+ tracks (formally running SS 6.3.1 on a QNAP TS-101 streaming to a SB1) http://www.last.fm/user/ducVduc shake-the-disease's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=698 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66760 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to access Squeezeplay menus?
jkish;449117 Wrote:
> Thanks for the reply.
>
> How do I find out what those JSON/RPC commands look like?
>
> Would they show up in some sort of log if I accessed the website?
The jsonrpc commands follow the cli documentation
The commands are sent as an http POST to your servers jsonrpc.js
The post information looks like the following
{"id":1,"method":"slim.request","params":["192.168.1.114",["playlist","play","2802"]]}
I'm using the jsonrpc.js for Squeeze Mobile so feel free to message me
if you need help with them.
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Re: [slim] A rant towards a rescue. Needed. NOW. ... From here to where?
regalma1;449250 Wrote: > I love it when it works. But I would never recommend it to anyone, at > least not without a long list of caveats. > > > > I am using a WiFi equipped 7" netbook to run SC and act as a portable > remote control, and am even thinking of going larger (to save my aging > eyes). > > > > Now if you could just come up with a way to stop my netbook losing its > connection with my NAS and forcing me to rescan my library. That may be > the thing that eventually drives me to Sonos. Such a set up is guaranteed to be problematic. The problems you are having look to be nothing to do with SC or your Squeezebox(es). Running SC on a laptop wirelessly connected to a NAS which holds your music files is about the worst possible setup for stability I can think of. SC, for stable running needs to run on either 1) a dedicated server, with music stored locally, wired to the router 2) a powerful NAS, with music stored locally, wired to the router -- shake-the-disease Players: Boom, SB3 Server: QNAP TS-239 w/ SSOTS 3.18, SS 7.3.3, MusicIP 1.8, 7k+ tracks (formally running SS 6.3.1 on a QNAP TS-101 streaming to a SB1) http://www.last.fm/user/ducVduc shake-the-disease's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=698 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66745 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] A rant towards a rescue. Needed. NOW. ... From here to where?
Goodsounds;449256 Wrote: > > Most average joes I know (and I'm one too) don't have or use NASes. > When they do, it's for storage, not for running apps. Has someone really > convinced themselves that this deserves a development focus? > If our guesses about what the SD/USB support on the up coming Touch means then they have very good reason to have been working on making SC run better on lowly hardware. _If_ SD/USB support on the Touch really does mean it can run SC then they'll be a lot more "average joe" users running SC on NAS level hardware. -- andynormancx Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ? I SAID ALL OF THEM ! andynormancx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17417 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66745 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Customized "Shuffle" feature?
for virtually unlimited customization of shuffle/random, you should look into erland's plugins. they are a brilliant set of squeeze enhancers. -- exile exile's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4579 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66760 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] A rant towards a rescue. Needed. NOW. ... From here to where?
bluegaspode wrote: > I hope that my still good mood as a relatively new user stays this way. I'm an old user, bought my first SD when the non-G SB1 was new. I've been in a good mood over the products ever since, and I've bought a bunch of them. I don't grok the bad karma in this thread and others. The server software is open source. That is great. One of the strongest drivers in my choice of SlimDevices way back when. Sure, Logitech pays a number of engineers to develope the SqueezeCenter the way they want, but there is nothing to prevent others from joining and making it work their own way as well. I'm on the developers' mailing list, altho I haven't turned a hand in any real code in years, but its clear that the move to SQlite from MySql is not canceled, just pushed back to get more work to make it a better transition that is ready for the mass market users. The use of a database package allows a lot of nice things that you can't do with raw tags. But the resource requirements of a complete MySql install exceed a lot of the low end machines that users want to use. SQlite will be a better fit. It would be silly to make the change from MySql to SQlite one way, I can't imagine anyone doing that. Rather I expect that the official supported version will use SQlite, and for folks who are running MySql anyway, there will be some configuration parameter to point to the database. The reality is that SqueezeCenter is a complex server application. They all take some care in setup. For most folks, the SC install scripts work out of the box. Its never going to be a toaster. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Customized "Shuffle" feature?
george_k;449265 Wrote: > Can the squeezebox/transporter shuffle feature be user customized to > play only certain genres (e.g. Rock music only) or other criteria (e.g. > 80's music)? Yes. With the right plugins you can even do odd things like exclude 'Explicit' songs (ie, making it safe for work if you've tagged things right) and only songs more than a minute and less than 6 minutes (no long tracks, no 'intro' type tracks), etc. -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66760 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] A rant towards a rescue. Needed. NOW. ... From here to where?
Hi there, I'm relatively new to SqueezeCenter and just want put in my two cents: - I'm an owner of a squeezebox-duet and don't regret my purchase. It's exactly what I expected - and having a 7.3.3-firmware from beginning I didn't feel any glitches. All the basic function were really easy to set up - and it just worked. Thats how it is supposed to be. I recently stumbled about the headphones not working as I expected but still are expectand that this will be solved soon. In the meantime there is a workaround in this forums - what do I want more ? - I once got in touch with support, because the Duet didn't want to wake-on-lan my NAS. This was handled very fast by 1st tier and 2nd tier support. - Two days ago I made the 'mistake' to install FW7.4. This totally broke my controller in the first place - in the meantime with a lot of cursing and I sleepless night I got back to 7.3.3. After some more reading in the beta forums, it turned out to be the language settings, so I tried it again. And what do I have to say ? I like it ! I can see progress and the direction where my duet will be going - not only is the UI nicer to look at, also switching servers has gotten easier - when I want to browse my music I'm asked which server/library I like - thats a good place (instead of it beeing hidden in some extended menu). UI is always difficult to explain / get right - but in my opinion its now more stylish - also such subtle things like sounds played when clicking/scrolling have been changed to be much more ear-friendly. Yes the fonts are to big (as german words are quite a bit longer than the english equivalents) - but thats not a thing I'm troubled about. As they release betas at least there is a chance to complain (and that should be done in beta-forums), before they can't chance anything in the final version. - I read that one thing to change in the future is server resources consumption. I think this is a good strategic decision. I'm one of those guys running SqueezeCenter on a NAS. That's because I want a low-power, mostly noiseless server. If you see that alternate systems (streamium for instance and most other) all go by UPNP (which are supported by mosts lowtech NAS's out of the box) I think that beeing able to be run smoothly on any NAS is MUST-HAVE for SqueezeCenter. Its still difficult enough to be run on a NAS but if that wasn't possible at all, I wouldn't go with squeezecenter. - I'm really like the open source character of this product. I'm not programming myself - but I'm able to read this forum/wiki see that others are developing, try their stuff out and I'm able to help myself. Yes that's some time to spent and you need to be a bit more advanced ... but hey - at what other product you get this ? So my conclusions: - easy to use for beginners on official firmware - much more options for advanced users with plugin architecture - lots to play (and curse) with the cutting edge latest 'beta' firmware. I hope that my still good mood as a relatively new user stays this way. -- bluegaspode bluegaspode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66745 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] A rant towards a rescue. Needed. NOW. ... From here to where?
regalma1;449250 Wrote: > I've been using the SB for a few years. I love it when it works. But I > would never recommend it to anyone, at least not without a long list of > caveats. I was actually starting to feel this way. I tried to talk my brother into getting an SB3, but he insisted on the Duet. Of couse I started back-pedalling a little bit with a list of caveats and such. I just knew of too many things that can go awry with the Duet. I even told him - worst case scenario - you return it for a refund. As it turned out, he got it up and running with no issues. I was very (pleasantly) surprised. It's been running great for him and he and his wife are loving it. Of course he's had a question or 2, but no big deal. As far as PCs go - he's your average Joe, except that he knows he can fall back on me when things really go south. He did it all on his own, which I thought was a good testament to usability improvements made over that last year for the Duet. -- maggior Rich - Setup: 2 SB3s, 3 Booms, 1 duet, 1 receiver. SuSE 11.0 Server running SqueezeCenter 7.3.3, MusicIP, and SqueezeSlave. Current library stats: 27,698 songs, 2,304 albums, 439 artists. http://www.last.fm/user/maggior Looking forward to new Porcupine Tree, Megadeth, Alice in Chains, and The Beatles Box set. September will be an expensive month :-) maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66745 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Customized "Shuffle" feature?
Can the squeezebox/transporter shuffle feature be user customized to play only certain genres (e.g. Rock music only) or other criteria (e.g. 80's music)? -- george_k george_k's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2519 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66760 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] One for the experts
When the software was upgraded from slimserver to SqueezeCentre, it's possible (likely!) that the classic had an forced firmware upgrade as well. Something may have corrupted during such an upgrade - it only needs one or two corrupt bits to possibly cause problems. The latest firmware for SB 2/3 & classic is version 127 so if your dads is on an earlier version it may be worth upgrading. Firmware upgrades are embedded in SC, so if you upgrade to SC 7.3.3, the newer version should install automatically. If it's already on the latest firmware, it may be worth downgrading SC to an earlier version (SC 7.3.2 for example) just to force a re-flash of an older firmware version. Bob -- bobertuk 1 x Duet - SC 7.3.4 - SSOTS v3.18 1 x Boom Lavry DA-10 DAC QNAP TS-509 3.1.1 build 0812T Starfish Pre-amp : Based on NAIM Heavily modified NAIM NAP 250 Power-amp Behringer DEQ2496 Linn Isobarik DMS bobertuk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30376 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66611 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] A rant towards a rescue. Needed. NOW. ... From here to where?
> Most average joes I know (and I'm one too) don't have or use NASes. > When they do, it's for storage, not for running apps. Has someone really > convinced themselves that this deserves a development focus? I'm adding a third employee's voice: we've had too many complaints about SC being a memory hog on all platforms (including Windows), and more than enough about issues with MySQL and AV scanners and firewalls. Most of our users will profit from the change. Some more, some less. And a few not at all. > These comments contradict one another - which is it? They don't. If users run into trouble with AV scanners and firewalls blocking access to the DB, then this is a usability issue. Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] A rant towards a rescue. Needed. NOW. ... From here to where?
One company employee says that the focus is to be more friendly to average joes. I agree with this, it's the market potential the company needs to serve better. It's also the biggest growth opportunity. Another says the changes are to make the software perform better on NASes and other smaller formats. Most average joes I know (and I'm one too) don't have or use NASes. When they do, it's for storage, not for running apps. Has someone really convinced themselves that this deserves a development focus? These comments contradict one another - which is it? Or maybe the smaller format focus is for unreleased self-contained products and so won't be commented on at this time? In any event, I think we all appreciate the participation from company personnel. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66745 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] A rant towards a rescue. Needed. NOW. ... From here to where?
I've been using the SB for a few years. I love it when it works. But I would never recommend it to anyone, at least not without a long list of caveats. These last few years have been full of frustrations and opportunities to keep my vocabulary of expletives well tuned. That being said, I do have to admit it is getting more stable. I have been able to do upgrades without bringing my system crashing down on me. That is progress. And secondly I have tried to replace it a few times over the years with something that is suppose to be more stable. But I find myself keep coming back due to the UI, which I guess I have just gotten comfortable with. A for the flexibility that I haven't found elsewhere. The Sonos is an obvious replacement, but I just haven't been willing to put out the $1K. Besides that little screen on their controller leaves me cold. I am using a WiFi equipped 7" netbook to run SC and act as a portable remote control, and am even thinking of going larger (to save my aging eyes). I like being able to see lots of albums or artists listed in front of me. It often inspires to play something I hadn't thought of playing. Now if you could just come up with a way to stop my netbook losing its connection with my NAS and forcing me to rescan my library. That may be the thing that eventually drives me to Sonos. -- regalma1 regalma1's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6658 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66745 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] One for the experts
I believe the SB3's have a 2 year warranty. If post warranty there is a flat $90 charge to fix it. You could try reverting to a prior SC version to see if the problem goes away. But that seems unlikely if it is not present on your SB3. -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66611 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] One for the experts
Right we swapped Classics, 4 hours of playing music on my SB and no clicks or pops. Swapped back to my dads and with 10 minutes clicks and pops ahoy. So it must be the SqueezeBox, problem is now that it only developed after updating the SC and firmware, so could have been there from day one. My dads SB is just under 2 years old, what are the chances of getting it repaired/replaced by Logitech? Can anyone also give any sort of explaination as to why it only occured after a SC/firmware update? -- Lakes_Puma Lakes_Puma's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30899 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66611 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] A rant towards a rescue. Needed. NOW. ... From here to where?
Moonbase;449092 Wrote:
> In all earnestness, I start seeing the "SqueezeBox" product range go
> down the wrong path. Having been a product manager myself for a long
> time, I hear the alarm bells shrill for quite some time now.
>
> As a developer, being enthusiastic for some time, I'm constantly losing
> interest in cooperation, because the development paths seem unclear and
> not well-defined, old bugs keep resurfacing, odd decisions are made (and
> taken back).
>
I understand your dilemma... let me assure you that we're working very
hard to continue to work with the development community and that we
actually want to increase the amount of community contribution
significantly to future software releases.
Moonbase;449092 Wrote:
>
> The product itself (Duet and the Controller, mainly) keeps getting more
> unusable with every "update" -- one starts getting anxious ("What will
> break this time?") instead of happily anticipating things getting better
> and more usable -- and being able to USE it for what it's meant: An
> enyojable way of listening to and showing off your music.
>
We're definitely aware that software updates have broken things for
some users... however we work very closely with our Support staff and
are fairly confident that the most recently released software (7.3.3) is
the most stable we've had since 7.0. I understand that each persons
experience is different, but perhaps you might open another thread (or
contact support) to deal with your specific issues?
Moonbase;449092 Wrote:
>
> Successful products are "emotional" products, remember? So why isn't
> the emotion a good one, but frustration mostly?
>
> Slimserver and the Squeezebox products have long kept you feeling that
> you are at the top of current technology, running with the fast crowd,
> simply owning and using the best you can possibly get. And be proud of
> it. Albeit having a few minor problems, you simply KNEW these would be
> gone soon -- and usually you'd get something better beyond all
> expectations.
>
> Here's how the current development looks to an "outsider" (i.e.,
> someone who knows about product management, development, usability,
> marketing, but also insists in keeping the standpoint of a
> "user"/"buyer") today:
>
> There is no clear path where to go. What are the goals, where is the
> target market?
>
This has been communicated before I believe... but there's a very clear
emphasis on making our products easier to use for the average-joe. To
your point above, the easier the product is to use, the better the
emotional response will be.
Moonbase;449092 Wrote:
>
> We keep adding "glitz" and pomp. Because we don't know how to focus
> on the basic problems and hope the user won't mind lack of basic
> functionality because there's so much "nice" stuff.
>
I'd argue that since Duet was released (and subsequently, Boom) we've
made almost no "glitzy" upgrades. We've been focused almost exclusively
on improving the quality of our software from bottom to top. Only with
the most recent 7.4 beta firmwares for Squeezebox Controller have we
begun work on improving the UI "glitziness".
Moonbase;449092 Wrote:
>
> Bugs long gone and repaired keep surfacing again. And again. Ideas
> comes to mind, like "Do they ever USE their stuff themselves?" ... "Why
> the heck do we have to fight the character set wars again and again
> since 30 years? Don't they ever learn that there ARE characters beyond
> 0-9 and A-Z?"
>
Are you referring to recent 7.4 betas, or our released software?
Moonbase;449092 Wrote:
>
> It's all too technical. I want MUSIC. And the BEST and most USABLE
> way to handle it. Today, it's all about bug fixing, Perl programming,
> product name changes, database issues no one understands (and which they
> take back after investing so much efforts into a solution that's worse
> than before -- and while they take back the changes to "what we got
> before", they break even what we HAD before!).
>
The recent switch in our 7.4 *BETA* Squeezebox Server builds from
SQLite back to MySQL was exactly for that reason ... that we're trying
to make sure when the 7.4 software is shipped that it is as stable as
possible. We remain committed to migrating Squeezebox Server to SQLite
(and there is still a branch of code based on that migration), but we
want to make sure that when that change ships, its even more reliable
than our existing MySQL system. To that end, we've pushed the SQLite
switch off to the 8.0 software release. This was explained in the beta
forums when the switch occurred.
Moonbase;449092 Wrote:
>
> Even (external) developers get frustrated -- after investing so many
> countless hours into repairing things that get broken again next day.
> (Yes, the code IS great; yes, they have thought about almost everything
> already; but they keep overlooking SIMPLE things over and over again --
> probably because no one has shown them that some things ARE important to
> USERS. Even with Open Sou
Re: [slim] A rant towards a rescue. Needed. NOW. ... From here to where?
rtitmuss;449205 Wrote: > We will be moving to SQLite in a future release of SqueezeCenter, > probably 8.0. This change is being made to improve performance, > especially on NASes and similar devices. It was decided that the SQLite > changes will not be complete for the 7.4 release, which is why we > reverted back to MySQL at the moment. > > Richard This sounds reasonable... but my fear is that Logitech will move the development resources from the current 7.4 MySQL platform to the future SQLite "before" the 7.4 MySQL is fully baked. Plugin developers "might" not want to work on a platform that will be sunset in the near future. I think a clearly articulated framework to move the plugins from this platform to the next to lessen the blows would help. I might be way out on left field here... but if the plugins that are developed for officially released 7.4 were to work without much effort on the SQLite platform... it'd be big step forward. The recent move to SQLite broke too many plugins. -- tamanaco tamanaco's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4620 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66745 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] A rant towards a rescue. Needed. NOW. ... From here to where?
JJZolx;449204 Wrote: > It looks like recently there was another personnel shakeup at the > Logitech SMBU, and I'm afraid it isn't budget related this time. No > doubt someone overseeing the unit is feeling many of the same issues. > > https://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3383 > I saw this in another thread. This is interesting. I wonder if this is in part in reaction to Sean leaving the company. JJZolx;449204 Wrote: > But I also agree that much of what's being added these days is > half-finished junk used only to put bullet points on retail packaging. > And that may ultimately be the downfall of the product. Could you elaborate? I don't mean that in a confrontational sense - I'm genuinely curious. -- maggior Rich - Setup: 2 SB3s, 3 Booms, 1 duet, 1 receiver. SuSE 11.0 Server running SqueezeCenter 7.3.3, MusicIP, and SqueezeSlave. Current library stats: 27,698 songs, 2,304 albums, 439 artists. http://www.last.fm/user/maggior Looking forward to new Porcupine Tree, Megadeth, Alice in Chains, and The Beatles Box set. September will be an expensive month :-) maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66745 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] A rant towards a rescue. Needed. NOW. ... From here to where?
We will be moving to SQLite in a future release of SqueezeCenter, probably 8.0. This change is being made to improve performance, especially on NASes and similar devices. It was decided that the SQLite changes will not be complete for the 7.4 release, which is why we reverted back to MySQL at the moment. Richard -- rtitmuss rtitmuss's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66745 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] A rant towards a rescue. Needed. NOW. ... From here to where?
It looks like recently there was another personnel shakeup at the Logitech SMBU, and I'm afraid it isn't budget related this time. No doubt someone overseeing the unit is feeling many of the same issues. https://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3383 The retreat from pushing the SQLite update out in 7.4 is a _good_ sign, IMO, and points to someone taking a serious look at real world time tables and development resources. But I also agree that much of what's being added these days is half-finished junk used only to put bullet points on retail packaging. And that may ultimately be the downfall of the product. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66745 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Net::UDAP - SqueezeBox Receiver configuration tool
Is this just for the initial setup so that you can set network stuff, then Squeezecenter is used normally for other options? -- MillmoorRon MillmoorRon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6413 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57861 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to do "whole house" audio (multi-room, multi-source)?
For item #7 you could stock each room with an iPod Touch running iPeng, built into the wall or not. This sounds like a fun house. -- ajkidle ajkidle's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18929 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66737 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] A rant towards a rescue. Needed. NOW. ... From here to where?
I share Moonbase's feelings also... specially this point... "There is no clear path where to go. What are the goals, where is the target market?". The move to SQLite (possibly to accommodate the new product line) and then back to MySQL completely left the existing MySQL users, like myself, wondering what to do. Do I stick with MySQL? Is SQLite the future... and if so why? Because of the new product line?... because NASes need a smaller OS footprint?... because it has better performance?... Should I plan to move to SQLite or not? Nothing has been clearly articulated. The "existing" user base is confused... I know betas are betas, but there is no clear vision (strategy) to which clear goals (strategy) are attached. What I fear is that the plugin developers will get frustrated with the platform changes. They have either stopped development (enhancements) of their current plugins or have not introduced new ones in quite some time. Palm OS is a great example of developers moving on to greener pastures when Palm failed to communicate a clear vision for them. Look at the number of Palm application and then find how many of those have been enhanced or developed recently. -- tamanaco tamanaco's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4620 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66745 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Suddenly Loses Connection
This is an old thread, but I have the same issue. SB3 works fine for a while (maybe even 4 or 5 hours), but then will lose wireless connection and the screen will go blank. Simply unplugging the SB3 and replugging after a minute or so does not fix anything (screen stays black). If I wait an hour or more (with SB3 NOT plugged in) I can usually plug it back in and the SB will go through setup again. It is not a firewall or security issue (when connected, it works fine on SN). Setup: wireless with linksys G router (WPA security), usually 60-65% strength (when connected), have used netstumbler to make sure my channel is 10 while all other channels in the area are 1 or 6. I've done the typical factory reset, xlinx reset, reentered security, etc. Nothing seems to solve the problem. When it works, it streams music beautifully, when it goes blank after loosing wireless connection, it may take hours before I can get it to even turn back on (i.e., screen remains blank). Any thoughts? edit: I typically am streaming through SQUEEZENETWORK -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41232 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Dead SB3
As I recall there are previous threads about issues with the wireless card causing similar problems. An obvious suggestion would be to make sure the wireless card is completely seated. If that doesn't work, try removing the wireless card altogether and see if the unit starts working (assuming you can use it wired). -- tcutting tcutting's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17402 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66620 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] A rant towards a rescue. Needed. NOW. ... From here to where?
maggior;449159 Wrote: > > After reading this (and some other posts) I cringe. The controller FW > is one area that has definitely required stabilization over time, and it > has. I suspect I'll be staying on 7.3.3 for a long time! At least I > have that option. I wonder why there has been such an overhaul on the > UI on the controller? QUOTE] > > I much agree with both of you. > I just wanted to comment on the UI overhaul. If the upcoming > SB-Touch-device shares the software with the controller, I suspect they > are optimizing the UI for the wider screen of that device. Also for that > device the ability to read the screen from a distance is valuable. Hence > the bigger font. (All that said, I haven't seen the new UI as I'm > hessitant to spend x ammount of time getting a beta version to work. > (small children in the house and all that)) > > Sorry for going slightly off topic. -- Muele BR Mogens 2 Controllers, 2 Receivers, 1 Squeezeplay. Running off old 800 mhz IBM T21 Thinkpad. Muele's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21310 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66745 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Net::UDAP - SqueezeBox Receiver configuration tool
Sorted with the following configuration; UDAP [1] (squeezebox 174401)> list bridging: 0 hostname: LivingRoomSB interface: 0 lan_gateway: 0.0.0.0 lan_ip_mode: 1 lan_network_address: 0.0.0.0 lan_subnet_mask: 255.255.255.0 primary_dns: 0.0.0.0 secondary_dns: 0.0.0.0 server_address: 192.168.2.2 squeezecenter_address: 192.168.2.2 squeezecenter_name: wireless_SSID: 48aGeldeston wireless_channel: 11 wireless_keylen: 0 wireless_mode: 0 wireless_region_id: 14 wireless_wep_key_0: wireless_wep_key_1: wireless_wep_key_2: wireless_wep_key_3: wireless_wep_on: 0 wireless_wpa_cipher: 3 wireless_wpa_mode: 1 wireless_wpa_on: 1 wireless_wpa_psk: I removed the default gateway setting and set the wireless_wpa_mode to 1 even though the router explicitly states that it is WPA2. Thanks for all your help. It is a great utility that you have set up. >From reading the posts, it is a surprise that Logitech do not provide this themselves. -- rwwebb rwwebb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32271 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57861 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New "Logitech MM STREAM Squeezebox Touch" spotted !!
Sike;449051 Wrote: > Time will tell... Time has told/tolled...that page has gone. Steve. -- SteveEast SteveEast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4193 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64706 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] A rant towards a rescue. Needed. NOW. ... From here to where?
Moonbase;449092 Wrote:
>
> The product itself (Duet and the Controller, mainly) keeps getting more
> unusable with every "update" -- one starts getting anxious ("What will
> break this time?") instead of happily anticipating things getting better
> and more usable -- and being able to USE it for what it's meant: An
> enyojable way of listening to and showing off your music.
>
This is why I've decided to get very picky about the build that I'll
run on my server. Yes, it's fun to play, but I also like to sit an
enjoy my music. Unless thre is a particular bugfix or feature that I
NEED in a release, I sit back and wait for the dust to settle. Even
then, after I install it, if it doesn't work out, I immediately go back.
I just don't have time any more to dig in and try to resolve issues
that weren't threre previously.
I suspect others (inlcuding yourself) are getting to the point.
Moonbase;449092 Wrote:
>
> Successful products are "emotional" products, remember? So why isn't
> the emotion a good one, but frustration mostly?
>
I agree that this could start to be a problem. If the product starts
getting a rep as being frustrating to use and being unstable, the
beginning of the end could be neigh. There are so many media streamers
popping up out there that do music and video, people will start going
elsewhere.
Moonbase;449092 Wrote:
>
> Look at the "new" controller firmware. It LOOKS worse. It's unusable
> beyond expectation. It needs more keystrokes for simple functions. It
> doesn't behave logical or even consistent. BUT it has overlaid screens
> that nobody needs, it overlaps badly rendered cover images with status
> lines, it uses LARGE fonts so that you have to wait for some information
> to scroll until -- in the middle of reading -- the screensaver pops in
> and you have
After reading this (and some other posts) I cringe. The controller FW
is one area that has definitely required stabilization over time, and it
has. I suspect I'll be staying on 7.3.3 for a long time! At least I
have that option. I wonder why there has been such an overhaul on the
UI on the controller? I wasn't aware that it had so many problems?
The flip side of this is that it is *good* that they release
not-fully-baked versions of software to solicit input from the user
community. As long as they continue to take the input and incorporate
it (which I think they tend to do). These releases are always clearly
labeled as BETA, so you always have fair warning.
I'd like to think (and perhaps I'm being too much of an optimist) that
what is going on is that they are beefing up the feature list and making
some major enhancements that will shake things up a bit, making things
unstable for a few releases. They will continue to work on things to
bring it back to stability. They've done this before - look at the new
streaming and synchronization feature. They rewrote the basic
underpinnings of how the products works. Frankly, that's a move that
takes balls. And they worked to get it working correctly. Now we have
a great new feature and things are good again.
My hope is that the SW dev team continues to work in this fashion. And
I can sit on the sidelines (by choice) and wait for the dust to settle
each time it gets shaken up.
--
maggior
Rich
-
Setup: 2 SB3s, 3 Booms, 1 duet, 1 receiver. SuSE 11.0 Server running
SqueezeCenter 7.3.3, MusicIP, and SqueezeSlave.
Current library stats: 27,698 songs, 2,304 albums, 439 artists.
http://www.last.fm/user/maggior
Looking forward to new Porcupine Tree, Megadeth, Alice in Chains, and
The Beatles Box set. September will be an expensive month :-)
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Re: [slim] How to do "whole house" audio (multi-room, multi-source)?
You could use Nokia N700 or N800 as the on-wall keypads. Just set each room's home page to control that SB.. of course they could be portable also. The price on refurbished units is reasonable. I use mine with the Nokia770 interface: http://:9000/Nokia770 while leaving the "PC" interface as "Default" p -- pski pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66737 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Duet Controller battery availability
My duet controller battery is basically dead, won't last more than five minutes on a full charge. Ordered one from Logitech a few weeks ago -- seems they're out of stock and will be for awhile. Anyone know another source for this battery? thx -- rblnr rblnr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4504 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66748 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to access Squeezeplay menus?
jkish;449141 Wrote: > > So, is the cometd interface documented somewhere other than in the > logs? > Maybe in the code. It's based on a standard protocol called the Bayeux Protocoll (don't nail me down on the spelling) butt it doesn't follow it strictly > > Or is it just another packaging of CLI commands? No, it's also a different transport. Most COMMANDS actually are indeed a different packaging of the CLI but you need to use the transport. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66686 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to access Squeezeplay menus?
pippin;449137 Wrote: > Yes. Enable network.cometd and they show up in server.log Ok, thanks Pippen. So, is the cometd interface documented somewhere other than in the logs? Or is it just another packaging of CLI commands? -- jkish jkish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21148 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66686 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to access Squeezeplay menus?
jkish;449117 Wrote: > > Would they show up in some sort of log if I accessed the website? Yes. Enable network.cometd and they show up in server.log -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66686 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Need someone to test a Radio Station for Me
A couple of the streams are playing silence - so I have submitted an update to hide them ... which should get it working because other links are working fine. -- Paul Webster Paul Webster http://www.lastfm.com/user/BondJamesBond Paul Webster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=105 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66734 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Net::UDAP - SqueezeBox Receiver configuration tool
rwwebb;449120 Wrote: > Robin, > > I made the changes to wired as follows; > > set interface=1 lan_ip_mode=1 squeezecenter_address=192.168.2.2 > > and it worked. The light goes green and then a light violet? I was > able to see the device from SqueezeCenter until I inadvertantly removed > it using iPeng. > > Having had that success, I tried the following; > > set > interface=0 > wireless_mode=0 > wireless_region_id=14 > wireless_SSID=48aGeldeston > wireless_wpa_on=1 > wireless_wpa_mode=2 > wireless_wpa_cipher=3 > wireless_wpa_psk="myPassword" > lan_ip_mode=1 > squeezecenter_address=192.168.2.2 > > and it didn't work. With regards my network, I am running a Belkin > Wireless G Plus router, using WPA2 and TKIP as the encryption. > Rich, I'm using pretty much the same config on my network: bridging: 0 hostname: Squeezebox interface: 0 lan_gateway: 192.168.2.1 lan_ip_mode: 1 lan_network_address: 192.168.2.138 lan_subnet_mask: 255.255.255.0 primary_dns: 192.168.2.1 secondary_dns: 0.0.0.0 server_address: 0.0.0.0 squeezecenter_address: 192.168.1.150 squeezecenter_name: �� wireless_SSID: wrt54gl01 wireless_channel: 6 wireless_keylen: 1 wireless_mode: 0 wireless_region_id: 14 wireless_wep_key_0: 00 wireless_wep_key_1: 00 wireless_wep_key_2: 00 wireless_wep_key_3: 00 wireless_wep_on: 0 wireless_wpa_cipher: 3 wireless_wpa_mode: 2 wireless_wpa_on: 1 wireless_wpa_psk: sekrit The only difference is that I use TKIP+AES. I switched my WAP to use TKIP and re-configured a SBR with wireless_wpa_cipher=1 and it connected fine. So, I'm not sure what's happening in your case. Are you sure the key is correct? rwwebb;449120 Wrote: > As an aside, for your utility to work, do I need to reset the device > everytime? So far, it has been the only way I can find it. > No, if you press the button until the light flashes red then release you should be able to discover the device and see the current configuration. rwwebb;449120 Wrote: > I also need to shut down my firewall when I do the setup, even though I > have opened the necessary ports. Is this common? You can't have the necessary hole in the firewall. Net-UDAP requirements are: * port 17784 (UDP) open * UDP broadcast traffic permitted rwwebb;449120 Wrote: > I really appreciate the input. > > Rich > You're rich, eh? https://projects.robinbowes.com/Net-UDAP/trac#Donations Oh, how I laugh at my terrible puns! R. -- robinbowes robinbowes's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=480 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57861 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Net::UDAP - SqueezeBox Receiver configuration tool
Robin, I made the changes to wired as follows; set interface=1 lan_ip_mode=1 squeezecenter_address=192.168.2.2 and it worked. The light goes green and then a light violet? I was able to see the device from SqueezeCenter until I inadvertantly removed it using iPeng. Having had that success, I tried the following; set interface=0 wireless_mode=0 wireless_region_id=14 wireless_SSID=48aGeldeston wireless_wpa_on=1 wireless_wpa_mode=2 wireless_wpa_cipher=3 wireless_wpa_psk="myPassword" lan_ip_mode=1 squeezecenter_address=192.168.2.2 and it didn't work. With regards my network, I am running a Belkin Wireless G Plus router, using WPA2 and TKIP as the encryption. As an aside, for your utility to work, do I need to reset the device everytime? So far, it has been the only way I can find it. I also need to shut down my firewall when I do the setup, even though I have opened the necessary ports. Is this common? I really appreciate the input. Rich -- rwwebb rwwebb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32271 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57861 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Net::UDAP - SqueezeBox Receiver configuration tool
karibe;449107 Wrote: > Yes I did many times... In that case, it may be that your SBR is faulty. You might like to try calling Logitech support, although you may find that they only offer offical support if you have the Controller as well. R. -- robinbowes robinbowes's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=480 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57861 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to access Squeezeplay menus?
mherger;449035 Wrote: > > I currently access SqueezeCenter functionality via CLI, but need to > try > > and get access to the XM plugin and others that may only be > available > > via the SqueezePlay menu system. > > SqueezePlay uses the CLI commands (though through JSON/RPC instead of a > > simple telnet style connection). A plugin has to provide that > functionality, otherwise it won't show up on SP. Don't know whether XM > > does or not. > > -- > > Michael Thanks for the reply. How do I find out what those JSON/RPC commands look like? Would they show up in some sort of log if I accessed the website? -- jkish jkish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21148 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66686 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Net::UDAP - SqueezeBox Receiver configuration tool
Rich, "Yellow" means your SBR is not connecting to your wireless network correctly. Try connecting wired, to make sure everything else is setup OK: discover conf 1 set interface=1 lan_ip_mode=1 squeezecenter_address=192.168.2.2 save_data reset If that works, you need to review your wireless settings and make sure they're correct. You might find the examples [1] useful. In particular, the WPA2 with TKIP+AES one [2]. R. [1] https://projects.robinbowes.com/Net-UDAP/trac/wiki/SampleUsage [2] https://projects.robinbowes.com/Net-UDAP/trac/wiki/SampleUsage#WirelessWPA2TKIPAESDHCP -- robinbowes robinbowes's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=480 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57861 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Net::UDAP - SqueezeBox Receiver configuration tool
Yes I did many times... -- karibe karibe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32268 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57861 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Net::UDAP - SqueezeBox Receiver configuration tool
Hello, I am trying to set up the Squeezebox Receiver without the need for a controller and having a nightmare. To do this I have done the following; 1. Wire connected my SBR to my Belkin Wireless Router which also is connected to my desktop 2. Turned off the McAfee firewall protection. This is the only way that I can use netUDAP. When the firewall is on, it cannot do the discovery step. 3. Squeezecenter is running on my desktop (192.168.2.2) and iPeng is accessing this server with no problems. 4. When I perform the discovery command using netUDAP, the SBR is found and I configure is as follows; UDAP [1] (squeezebox 174401)> list bridging: 0 hostname: interface: 0 lan_gateway: 192.168.2.1 lan_ip_mode: 1 lan_network_address: 0.0.0.0 lan_subnet_mask: 255.255.255.0 primary_dns: 0.0.0.0 secondary_dns: 0.0.0.0 server_address: 192.168.2.2 squeezecenter_address: 192.168.2.2 squeezecenter_name: wireless_SSID: 48aGeldeston wireless_channel: 11 wireless_keylen: 0 wireless_mode: 0 wireless_region_id: 14 wireless_wep_key_0: wireless_wep_key_1: wireless_wep_key_2: wireless_wep_key_3: wireless_wep_on: 0 wireless_wpa_cipher: 1 wireless_wpa_mode: 2 wireless_wpa_on: 1 wireless_wpa_psk: UDAP [1] (squeezebox 174401)> 5. When I use the save_data and reset commands, everything looks fine but the light on the SBR is yellow. 6. I then unplug the SBR from the router, expecting it to be picked up by the wireless network but nothing happens. 7. I have also opened ports 17784 and 9000 to allow the UDP access to work. Any help with this would be much appreciated. Rich -- rwwebb rwwebb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32271 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57861 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] A rant towards a rescue. Needed. NOW. ... From here to where?
In all earnestness, I start seeing the "SqueezeBox" product range go
down the wrong path. Having been a product manager myself for a long
time, I hear the alarm bells shrill for quite some time now.
As a developer, being enthusiastic for some time, I'm constantly losing
interest in cooperation, because the development paths seem unclear and
not well-defined, old bugs keep resurfacing, odd decisions are made (and
taken back).
The product itself (Duet and the Controller, mainly) keeps getting more
unusable with every "update" -- one starts getting anxious ("What will
break this time?") instead of happily anticipating things getting better
and more usable -- and being able to USE it for what it's meant: An
enyojable way of listening and showing off your music.
Successful products are "emotional" products, remember? So why isn't
the emotion a good one, but frustration mostly?
Slimserver and the Squeezebox products have long kept you feeling that
you are at the top of current technology, running with the fast crowd,
simply owning and using the best you can possibly get. And be proud of
it. Albeit having a few minor problems, you simply KNEW these would be
gone soon -- and usually you'd get something better beyond all
expectations.
Here's how the current development looks to an "outsider" (i.e.,
someone who knows about product management, development, usability,
marketing, but also insists in keeping the standpoint of a
"user"/"buyer") today:
- There is no clear path where to go. What are the goals, where is
the target market?
- We keep adding "glitz" and pomp. Because we don't know how to focus
on the basic problems and hope the user won't mind lack of basic
functionality because there's so much "nice" stuff.
- Bugs long gone and repaired keep surfacing again. And again. Ideas
comes to mind, like "Do they ever USE their stuff themselves?" ...
"Why the heck do we have to fight the character set wars again and
again since 30 years? Don't they ever learn that there ARE characters
beyond 0-9 and A-Z?"
- It's all too technical. I want MUSIC. And the BEST and most USABLE
way to handle it. Today, it's all about bug fixing, Perl programming,
product name changes, database issues no one understands (and which
they take back after investing so much efforts into a solution that's
worse than before -- and while they take back the changes to "what we
got before", they break even what we HAD before!).
- Even (external) developers get frustrated -- after investing so
many countless hours into repairing things that get broken again next
day. (Yes, the code IS*great; yes, they have thought about almost
everything already; but they keep overlooking SIMPLE things over and
over again -- probably because no one has shown them that some things
ARE important to USERS. Even with Open Source, goals need to be
defined, and milestones met. And everyone in the team needs to know
"where we all want to go".)
- Look at the "new" controller firmware. It LOOKS worse. It's
unusable beyond expectation. It needs more keystrokes for simple
functions. It doesn't behave logical or even consistent. BUT it has
overlaid screens that nobody needs, it overlaps badly rendered cover
images with status lines, it uses LARGE fonts so that you have to wait
for some information to scroll until -- in the middle of reading --
the screensaver pops in and you have to press yet another key ...
Aaaargh! It has a zillion "effects" that DISTRACT (instead of
FOCUSING) the user's attention, while lacking some basic
functionality. Oh well, and it has "apps"! Does anyone need "apps"
while the basics don't function yet? ... I doubt it.
- It's great to let the "tech kiddies" show off. And they can
actually be a very valuable resource -- if LEAD correctly. PLEASE,
Logitech, hire someone who knows about USABILITY. And probably how to
manage a product line.
- It still IS (could be?) such a great product line. Don't throw it
away like this.
This reads like a rant. It is. Because I still love the product and the
ideas behind it. (Emotion, remember?) I hope that the right people can
understand my current frustration. And ACT.
I really wouldn't like to see others "winning" in spite of having
higher prices and worse technology. But knowing what the customer wants.
Keep the promise! Even if it's only in our heads.
Thank you for reading.
--
Moonbase
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Re: [slim] Need someone to test a Radio Station for Me
It's not playing. Email RadioTime with the details, they can often fix this. -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66734 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Net::UDAP - SqueezeBox Receiver configuration tool
karibe, It certainly shouldn't be returning a different MAC addresses every time. Did you try a factory reset? http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Hardware_Reset_commands#Squeezebox_Receiver R. -- robinbowes robinbowes's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=480 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57861 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Net::UDAP - SqueezeBox Receiver configuration tool
I'm trying to configure by SBR by NET::UDAP script but without luck The most strange thing is that when I'm typing discover, I'm getting: Code: UDAP> discover info: <<< Broadcasting adv_discovery message to MAC address 00:00:00:00:00:00 on 255.255.255.255 info: >>> adv_discovery response received from 88:04:88:04:88:04 info: <<< Broadcasting get_ip message to MAC address 88:04:88:04:88:04 on 255.255.255.255 info: >>> get_ip response received from 88:04:88:04:88:04 info: <<< Broadcasting get_data message to MAC address 88:04:88:04:88:04 on 255.255.255.255 info: >>> get_data response received from 88:04:88:04:88:04 UDAP> list #MAC AddressType Status == = == === 1 88:04:88:04:88:04 squeezebox wait_slimserver as You see MAC address is completely different than on the bottom of unit 00:04:20... when I type configure 1 list Code: UDAP> configure 1 UDAP [1] (squeezebox 048804)> list bridging: 0 hostname: interface: 0 lan_gateway: 205.0.205.0 lan_ip_mode: 0 lan_network_address: 141.0.141.0 lan_subnet_mask: 205.0.205.0 primary_dns: 205.0.205.0 secondary_dns: 141.0.141.0 server_address: 205.0.205.0 squeezecenter_address: 205.0.205.0 squeezecenter_name: wireless_SSID: wireless_channel: 0 wireless_keylen: 0 wireless_mode: 141 wireless_region_id: 0 wireless_wep_key_0: 00cd00cd00cd00cd00cd00cd00 wireless_wep_key_1: 8d008d008d008d008d008d008d wireless_wep_key_2: 00cd00cd00cd00cd00cd00cd00 wireless_wep_key_3: cd00cd00cd00cd00cd00cd00cd wireless_wep_on: 0 wireless_wpa_cipher: 205 wireless_wpa_mode: 0 wireless_wpa_on: 205 wireless_wpa_psk: ��� this options are completely insane and after reset Is my unit broken ? -- karibe karibe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32268 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57861 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New "Logitech MM STREAM Squeezebox Touch" spotted !!
Chippy;447783 Wrote: > http://www.ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemID=379698 > > "New Stock due 18 Aug" Time will tell... -- Sike Sike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2458 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64706 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] squeezenetwork is in spanish
> Did that. Login screen is English. Drop down selection is English. > On login, its Spanish or whatever. Contact support - they should be able to sort this out for you. -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now Playing Display Question/Customization
> does not update automatically when the song changes. Is it possible to > have this info automatically updated so when you go to another song then > the artist and song details on the left also updates? Please file an enhancement request on bugs.slimdevices.com. This should be relatively easy to implement. -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to do "whole house" audio (multi-room, multi-source)?
Items 1, 2 and 4 are standard functions of the Slimdevices / Logitech players. Item 3 is possible by using the AllQuite plugin found here: http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/AllQuiet.html Item 5 is of course a standard feature as well since all players do not have integrated amplifiers (except for the Boom). But there is a nice plugin that can switch on and off your amplifiers automatically when your SB is withed on and off. It is called Power Switch II and can be found here: http://www.gwendesign.com/slimserver/dev_hard_and_software.htm#powerswitchii I use this plugin too but I use different electronics for the power section. I use an SSR instead of a relay. This approach does not require an additional external power supply. Info is located here: http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=53b9b3b4d24e857b1686155677bb26856341ab71b84593d0 Item 6: there are various remote control options for the Logitech system. I use iPeng on my iPod Touch. http://penguinlovesmusic.de/ipeng-the-iphone-webapp-for-squeezecenter/ Item 7: to my knowledge, there is no such thing for the Logitech system (yet). But who knows, maybe someone already made something like this. The SqueezeCenter software is an open platform that accepts a lot of plugins and external interfacing. Technically, this is certainly possible. Item 8: you might want to consider a Boom for this type of application. It is portable and has integrated speakers and amplification. This device can be used anywhere you want music around the house. It just needs access to your wireless network so that it can connect to your SqueezeCenter. -- Pascal Hibon Pascal Hibon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7969 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66737 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to access Squeezeplay menus?
> I currently access SqueezeCenter functionality via CLI, but need to try > and get access to the XM plugin and others that may only be available > via the SqueezePlay menu system. SqueezePlay uses the CLI commands (though through JSON/RPC instead of a simple telnet style connection). A plugin has to provide that functionality, otherwise it won't show up on SP. Don't know whether XM does or not. -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Why does RadioIO sound so good (to my ears) ?
Do the guys/gals at RadioIO do some funky EQ to their audio streams? I seem to hear a crisper treble, punchier bass and wider soundstage on RadioIO streams compared to higher bit rate streams from other radio stations that seem 'flat' by comparison. For example, I listen to free RadioIO streams and think they sound good (but not obviously, lossless FLAC quality) - then I listen to higher bit rate Napster streams and they sound flat and lifeless. How come RadioIO sounds so good? -- Hawkmoon Hawkmoon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32266 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66739 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
