Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
dustinsterk wrote: Agreed and added. GEN1: 1) Hardware design and implementation - JohnSwenson 2) Compiling OS/Building a bootable image/Writing automated scripts/Etc (this will break out much further in the future) - Dustinsterk (Me), eLR!C 3) Squeezelite Player - Triode 4) Case design - norman12 5) Distribution - ? (Depending if we need to ship to just one location and then send out to buyers from there) 6) WIKI setup and updating for instuctional use of new device (from NON tech person(s)) - ? 7) Creation and setup of internal webserver configuration page hosted on OS of the device. - ? GEN2: 8) Marketing/Name of the new product- (This is really for in the future but never to early to start thinking about it) 9) Website Creation/Technical Hosting of files, scripts, news, shipping updates, product updates, etc. - Cparker 10) Licensing (looking into feasibility of signing up subscriptions services, radio services, etc.) - ? 11) Localisation - eLR!C (French), mherger (German), epoch1970 (French) 12) Testing (Hardware, Software, etc) - ? If this project makes it to gen2, I want to volunteer for testing. Many participants will be spread out over different countries in the world. Hopefully that is not a problem. Pascal Hibon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7969 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Olive One - any downsides?
gruntwolla wrote: Yeah I remember the post - something along the lines of 1 watt is 1 watt! I find your opinion much more worrying than a few extra dollars for a connector box. They ( Olive ) have frequently alluded to the fact that the Olive One paired with a pair of BW CM9's sounds amazing, and still use the audiophile word to describe various components. I remember the post regarding the Olive One paired with BW and let out a smirk. I was going to reply but gave it the old *sigh* and let it go. The audiophile market has always been driven by marketing in general. This type of claim will go over well with those who don't seem to care that in many cases, quality is often sacrificed for convenience and aesthetics. No analog outs is a definite deal breaker. I can't believe anyone would connect the digital amp to a serious set of speakers, but Olive folks know they will if they just repeat certain claims enough times that it gets picked up and repeated on its own. code46's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=46721 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97599 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Recommendation for Free Remote Desktop
Quality remote support services can never be free though. However, you can try using gosupportnow remote access service. It is easy to use and costs only $19.95 / month. mikeadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73700 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Ipeng question (don't know where this belongs)
Ok I checked this morning. On the webinterface on my PC (Logitech Media Server), when clicking the downward arrow in the upper right corner of the screen, it says: Your music system couldn't be found. After having turned on my remote of the SB duet, it DOES show my player and everything works fine. How can I arrange that just starting up Ipeng is enough to find my player? tbenschop's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=27147 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97981 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Where are your CDs?
cdmackay wrote: Out of interest, do you save the rear insert from the jewel case, as well as the booklet? I do save the rear insert as well. I put all in jewelsleeeves which are sized perfectly (overpriced but work well and have cabinets that fit perfectly). http://jewelsleeve.com/ garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80369 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Olive One - any downsides?
Can't you accomplish roughly the same thing as an Olive with an iPad mini and an Airport express? I've been happy using iTunes match and about 10 internet radio apps. Plank's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32461 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97599 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name
+1 for Melodia (Erland's suggestion) Melody Melodi Mellowdi Squee 4squeeople Tweaker Tweeker Tweeki FLACker FLAKK FLÄKK LossLessStuff NoLoss UnNoise Neo Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name
Gandhi wrote: +1 for Melodia (Erland's suggestion) Melody Melodi Mellowdi Squee 4squeeople Tweaker Tweeker Tweeki FLACker FLAKK FLÄKK LossLessStuff NoLoss UnNoise Neo Could we add PiPi to the above list??? --- How about just simply: BoX or bOx Then it could be LaBoX, DasBoX, ElBoX, BoXet, IlBoX, TheBoX, and so on castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
please ignore my ignorance... would it not be better for a prototype to assemble such player from already available parts: a RpI or alike board, one of those A-sync USB to SP/DIF pcb's like that one from WaveIO (just to name one). Optionally a DAC. For operation, if the UI stays simple a LCD and a rotary encoder could be attached to the GPIO lines. At least that is what I'm looking at for myself, as a hobby project, basically the main part missing (in my case) is some code to communicate with LMS about players status and command and code to display info and react to rotary encoder or IR input. A more integrated approach, like attaching a DAC directly to the I2S bus (if the SoC provides) will involve some serious linux kernel hacking. (I posted in the Squeezelite thread before I found this thread) 14405 +---+ |Filename: Streamer.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=14405| +---+ hsmeets's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9716 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
eLR!C wrote: +1 We'll have enough trouble with initial kernel scripts tests / tuning without loosing time on low memory limits at start :) I don't think JS is going to budge on 256MB for GEN1 due to the additional layout complexity. As long as it doesn't get any less, (I think Erland said 128MB would be OK earlier in the thread, and I nearly choked on my coffee ;)), it will be OK. Having developed software exclusively for embedded devices for 5 years or so in a previous life, I know that the last thing you want to do is struggle for memory when you already have to accept the limited horsepower the CPU has to offer. (The idea of swapping to a SDCARD gives me the horrors.) 512MB would be nice and excessive for the stated purpose, but as long as it doesn't drop 256MB, it'll be OK. There will still be wiggle room from a development and testing perspective. JackOfAll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3069 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name
castalla wrote: Could we add PiPi to the above list??? For the French choosing this name would be a cacastrophic decision epoch1970's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16711 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
erland wrote: One thing I still don't completely understand is how important the USB really is if we: 1. Have a DAC that generally produce a better analogue out than everything else than high-end external DAC's 2. Have a S/PDIF that's significantly better than the Squeezebox Touch Are all new external high-end DAC's USB only (without support for S/PDIF) or why is USB that important if we have an excellent S/PDIF and an excellent analogue out ? One other thing to have in mind, is that while 192k is a practical limit for SPDIF, (typically less for optical), there are several USB UAC2 implementations now that support 384k. Whilst I'm not advocating big numbers for the sake of it, going forward I think we are going to see a lot more activity with DXD and DSD. Tunnelling DSD64 requires 176k4 PCM sample rate, DSD128 - 352k8. I'm not an advocate of asynch USB for the sake of it, but always having been an advocate of clocking from the DAC side, asynch USB is important. John already stated that he didn't want to go for the two box solution, and working asynch USB UAC2 out sidesteps most of the downsides of a two box solution. And whether I agree with it or not, the usual subjects (and by that I mean the mainstream audio press), have already held the wake for SPDIF, so going forward I think the high-end is going to migrate exclusively to asynch USB. That has started already. To my mind, as far as future proffing goes, having a very good USB out is more important than the on-board DAC. And to JS, if you are going to put an optical out on GEN2, please make sure you use a part that is capable of 192k, rather than the more usual 96k, even if it pushes the cost up a few bucks. JackOfAll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3069 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
rgro wrote: Wha..? No Latin? No counseling and/or confessional for lapsed audiophiles??? You're slipping, Father Sarducci. ;) Nemo perfectus est. Guido F. guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name
OK new rule: You're not allowed to suggest a new name without voting for an existing one too :-) simbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11481 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name
epoch1970 wrote: For the French choosing this name would be a cacastrophic decision +1 for the Italians! Guido F. guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
norman12 wrote: I wasn't going to bother designing anything for GEN1, I thought the dev guys could nail it to a plank of wood while working on it, although I'm happy to do so if needs be. I think GEN1 will need something, but I agree it doesn't have to be special, just functional. simbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11481 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name
+1 for Brikk (Mnyb's suggestion) LosLes Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
JackOfAll wrote: I don't think JS is going to budge on 256MB for GEN1 due to the additional layout complexity. As long as it doesn't get any less, (I think Erland said 128MB would be OK earlier in the thread, and I nearly choked on my coffee ;)), it will be OK. For GEN1 we will be fine with less memory, it doesn't have any display and we don't plan to run a server on it during GEN1. The Squeezebox Radio which have a display have 64MB memory and the Squeezebox Touch have 128MB. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Ipeng question (don't know where this belongs)
OK, you obviusly did wake up the server (or you would not have been able to use the web interface) Hm, in this case I'm not sure there's anything iPeng can do. The player is NOT shown under unconnected players in the player list in iPeng? Because that's what it should do: if there is no server it can connect to it should answer UDAP requests so that it can get configured and iPeng then allows you to connect it to the server. I know from my own Receiver that it sometimes doesn't do that, the LED stays white in this case even though the server is down. I have no idea what the Controller does to make the Receiver connect, maybe it just sends unrequested UDAP configurations to the player if it can't find it but that would be a bad idea in iPeng's case. iPeng is not as closely tied to a single player and also (as in your case) not always registered to MySqueezebox.com so it could accidentally reconfigure players that are actually working, albeit on a different server. Also, so far I understood that UDAP used a kind of transaction protocol. One thing I would also look at: Does your Server change IP addresses when waking up? Maybe it helps to tie it to a fixed one (e.g. in the router's DHCP server settings or by moving it to a range not used by the DHCP server). That might make it easier for the player to find the server again when it wakes up. pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97981 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name
Gandhi wrote: FLÄKK Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Olive One - any downsides?
code46 wrote: I remember the post regarding the Olive One paired with BW and let out a smirk. I was going to reply but gave it the old *sigh* and let it go. The audiophile market has always been driven by marketing in general. This type of claim will go over well with those who don't seem to care that in many cases, quality is often sacrificed for convenience and aesthetics. No analog outs is a definite deal breaker. I can't believe anyone would connect the digital amp to a serious set of speakers, but Olive folks know they will if they just repeat certain claims enough times that it gets picked up and repeated on its own. Analogue outs are included now. My present amp isn't exactly high end, so at least I'll be able to do a direct comparison gruntwolla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35645 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97599 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Olive One - any downsides?
gruntwolla wrote: Not if you hate itunes!! No iTunes required, iPeng's fine. DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97599 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name
+1 FreeDevices +1 aHead +1 opEncore nuffNoise Optimalo Über Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
What's the approach to power supply on this thing? Is the thought a wall-wart switching supply with good on-board post regulators for the audio section? Are there EMI concerns? How is the audio section going to be isolated from all the digital switching noise generated on the computer portion of the board? Also was thinking about testing. Do these prototype boards get assembled at the fab/assembly house, and then sent out to the individual user without any form of functional test? That may be the only practical approach, as I doubt if John wants to perform a functionality check on even 25 boards. tcutting's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17402 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Where are your CDs?
thanks for that... cdmackay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=24816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80369 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
A third party supplied wall wart would free John from CE and UL marking concerns and other oficial red tape . Another way is in kit form ,when the kit is mounting your own power plug ;) on the cable , if an internal supply are considered . ( then its your own fault if the house burns down ) An internal supply would also make the box bigger and more expensive at least for a small series . Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name
Open Streamer or Free Streamer or FreeStream . And invite others to write up other protocols for like upnp/dlna or controlls for foobar Jriver or whatnot ,alternative protocols could be apps Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Olive One - any downsides?
Maybe the answer here is a really simple hardware transcoder (not a DAC) thunderbolt or USB in, coaxial or optical digital out use iPeng (or some other app) on a tablet to control all playback. Why don't high-end (as in feature rich) A/V receivers already have this functionality baked in? (i.e. not recognize the tablet as as mass storage device, but merely use the USB interface to receive LPCM, akin to a regular coaxial digital input) Olive has said in the comments that they have no present plans to make any product without an amp, though many have suggested it. ninthsrw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=57550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97599 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name
epoch1970 wrote: For the French choosing this name would be a cacastrophic decision It was meant to supplement the awful list of names appearing here ... How about CRAP - Community Radio Audio Player ? (I'm not serious, but it's as good as some of the suggestions we've had) ZELA +1 BOX +1 BOX + 0.5 ... even tho' I suggested them castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name
castalla wrote: It was meant to supplement the awful list of names appearing here ... How about CRAP - Community Radio Audio Player ? (I'm not serious, but it's as good as some of the suggestions we've had) ZELA +1 BOX +1 BOX + 0.5 ... even tho' I suggested them CRAPBOX would seal it , sleazebox with shadyserver -,- Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name
Mnyb wrote: CRAPBOX would seal it , sleazebox with shadyserver -,- castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name
castalla wrote: It was meant to supplement the awful list of names appearing here ... Aww, I was gonna suggest merDevices. simbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11481 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Ultimate Data Storage Device
garym wrote: So in the near future I can store a few billion lossless song files in some of my DNA. Tell Bruce Willis that it will soon be easier to pass his itunes purchases on to his children. ;-) *and think of the audiophool possibilities. Music files stored in the DNA of one person sounds so much better because of the evolution of that person's ancestors relative to some other person. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/29/science/using-dna-to-store-digital-information.html?hpw_r=0 But the researchers said their new technique, which includes error-correction software, was a step toward a digital archival storage medium of immense scale. Their goal is a system that will safely store the equivalent of one million CDs in a gram of DNA for 10,000 years. Yeah, but I won't be able to listen to my music in year 10,001? Bummer. Guido F. guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97988 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Ultimate Data Storage Device
My guess is we'll need some deep pockets for this. And at the end of the article they speak of compression/lossy storage. All that genius to produce a low bitrate Mp3. dasmueller's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38035 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97988 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Ultimate Data Storage Device
I'm the only one getting the steam punk vibe here , be one with the music literally :) some gizmos and tubes counted to your spine like the pilot chair in alien/prometheus Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97988 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
Lots of stuff to talk about here, some very good points raised, first power supply: I'm thinking of a single 5V supply, such as for the Touch, on the standard connector. Thus a basic swither could be used or one of the aftermarket ones if desired. I would be glad to come up with one of my linear designs for this is which could be an option for it. At this point I have not done any research on the best wallwart to use with such a project, there are a lot out there, maybe after Gen1 boards go out different people can do some experimentation and come to some conclusions. The grounding and noise issues etc are a very interesting aspect of this, what I am planning on doing is the following: the board will have two power domains, digital and analog. The digital domain has the processor, memory, ethernet, USB etc. The analog domain has the DAC chip, headphone amp, S/PDIF out, audio MCLK oscillators and reclocking flops. Each section will have it's own separate ground plane, with the few signals going between them going through isolators (I prefere the GMR types, I HATE ADUMS). There is a separate plane which just has the raw +5 and ground from the power supply, this plane connects to the two domains in one place for each domain. This scheme does a very good job of prevening digital domain noise from getting into the analog domain and still lets you power the whole thing off of a single supply. What makes it work is that there is one and only one ground connection between domains, this prevents any ground loops from happening. Since I am planning on an eight layer board I can put signal routes between planes, which does a good job shielding, cutting down on EMI. Cases: Norm you are right, I was just going to screw the Gen1 board onto a pice of plywood for my own use. I can certainly design it to fit a case if we can find own that works well. I want to keep the edge that has the connectors to 3 so I can get all the connectors on there. I like the slide into extrusion concept, I have used it many times. One variaton I have done is use PCBs for the end panels, the board makers have the soldermask available in many different colors and silkscreen can handle labels etc. One interesting technique I use is to put holes in the soldermask so the underlying glold plating shows through, you can do logos, model name etc with this that REALLY look nice. I did one with blue solder mask and the gold showing through that was stunning. The price can be less than laser cut aluminum, and they can look quite striking. Board testing: the manufacturing place I use automatically does bare board testing for multi layer boards to make sure the boards were done right. They also automatically do X-ray testing of BGAs to make sure the soldering came out right. They CAN do assembled board electrical testing. Simple testing is included in the price. They can do more extensive testing if test points are included on the board, but of course that costs more money. The big problem is that it takes a lot of time to come up with a good comprehensive test program. I don't think I want to do this for Gen1, but it's probably a good idea for Gen2. They have experts that will work with you to design a board that's easy to test. Again, probably not for Gen1, but probably a good idea for Gen2. On the memory front, the AM3874 has two DDR controlers, so if we use two 256MB chips we get twice the memory throughput, it's tempting. My original thought was to limit the design to one memory chip since putting two chips on the same controller is MUCH more difficult. But since this processor has two controllers I don't have to deal with that, I can do two chips without the extra hassle. I think you guys have convinced me that it's probably worth doing it. On the why do this in the first place? For me the motivation is that I can integrate quite good sound into the product for a LOT less money than it takes to do an equivalently good USB async DAC. The processors I'm looking at already have kernel drivers for audio over I2S and S/PDIF. These are available free from the manufacturer in their SDK which should make sending data to the DAC chip and S/PDIF not too difficult. Yes it is going to take some work, but I don't envision it being too bad. That brings up the issue of other external interfaces (remotes, IR blasters etc). I'm kind of leary about putting those directly on the board. They WILL require kernel drivers to be written and frankly I'm not convinced that is going to happen. I think we need to crefully look at this issue and come up with a workable solution so that separate kernel drivers do not need to be written for each interface. USB can be used for a large number of these, it might be a lot easier to come up with a GPIO over USB approach to add these. Anyway I'm not going to add these in Gen1, we as a community need to spend some significant time coming up with how to deal with this issue of other external world interfaces. I hope
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name
simbo wrote: Aww, I was gonna suggest merDevices. Anyway, you've already voted for Zela (101 times I believe), and we can't have you voting for your own, I understand it causes unwanted paradoxes. -*#956;*- ... for 'music' Exotic foreign letter - saves on typography costs castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name
castalla wrote: -*#956;*- ... for 'music' Exotic foreign letter - saves on typography costs It makes the URL a little harder to remember (and we will want a website for this)... mu.com? (Already exists, by the way). tcutting's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17402 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
Great info. This whole project is very exciting ! Thank you for sharing all of your insights w us. And best of luck going forward. dasmueller's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38035 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Ultimate Data Storage Device
Mnyb wrote: I'm the only one getting the steam punk vibe here , be one with the music literally :) some gizmos and tubes counted to your spine like the pilot chair in alien/prometheus +1. ;-) garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97988 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Ultimate Data Storage Device
Mnyb wrote: I'm the only one getting the steam punk vibe here , be one with the music literally :) some gizmos and tubes counted to your spine like the pilot chair in alien/prometheus Isn't that cyberpunk? Wouldn't steampunk be more like storing your mp3s on wax cylinders? adamdea's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37603 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97988 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
John, I'm happy to you see you involved in this project. I received a call from a friend while driving home about this post and had some time to brain storm. I'm not a big fan of the one board fits all approach. I feel that having modules with the desired output allows one to optimize that output and you end up having a better product in the end compared to trying to put everything into one board. The brains of the device (computer board) should be made as simple as possible with Ethernet input and USB and i2s output. The USB output is located on the same side as the ethernet connector and affords easy access to those who prefer a USB DAC or USB interface. The i2s output is located opposite of the ethernet and USB connectors and would used in combination with a module that would stack in the case. BTW the i2s output could be generated from a second onboard USB signal patch using a very good clock and clock power circuit. With this you now have the basic frame work to build anything! I can make available modules from my Rendu Network Player if you like the idea. I have an i2s to LVDS i2s output module that can be used with W4S and PS Audio gear. I have an i2s to Sabre analog output module with RCA output that can also be used to drive headphones. I can also make a tricked out SPDIF output module. Others can design modules as well... Here are images of the modules; i2s - http://www.sonore.us/Sonore-Rendu-i2s.png Sabre - http://www.sonore.us/Sonore-Rendu-analog.png Jesus R vortecjr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30173 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Windows 8
Mnyb wrote: This netmask is the same on the server and other players on your network or is it just this win 8 machine? as you mention it for some reason ? There are no other players on the network. The server is at 192.168.3.200. Thank you for your kind attention. BFL banned for life's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56269 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97980 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Using Andriod Phone as remote but not as phone
I am tempted to buy at relatively little cost an Android cell phone with wifi to use as a remote for my Touch. I have no interest in using it as a phone, I have never owned a cell phone before. My question is can I somehow download the appropriate app to use it as a remote when I have not any paid coverage and can I use it as a wifi remote in likewise fashion? SlimChances's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=165 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98004 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Using Andriod Phone as remote but not as phone
Get an iPod Touch and iPeng instead. Sent from my GT-P7510 using Tapatalk HD jimzak's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17592 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98004 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Using Andriod Phone as remote but not as phone
Perhaps this is ignorant on my part, but I don't like Apple products or their business model. In any case do I need to have a cell phone plan to make this work as a remote? SlimChances's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=165 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98004 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Using Andriod Phone as remote but not as phone
You don't need a cell data plan if the phone has wi-fi and you have wi-fi. Of course, now that I said that, both you (that is, your house) and the phone need wi-fi in order to communicate with the Touch, or whatever. You'd turn on the wi-fi on the phone, go to Google Play and find an app. I use Orange Squeeze. Not free but pretty inexpensive. mikeh49's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=48620 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98004 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Using Andriod Phone as remote but not as phone
It completely depends on the phone. In no case will you actually need coverage but some phones will require a SIM card. The SIM card doesn't have to be activated (on the network) but you need the PIN. Don't buy too cheap a phone, there's a lot of cheapo Android crap out there with which you will not have any fun. Decent Android phones start at 200-300$, it's probably cheaper to get a subsidized tablet from the likes of Google or Amazon but in the case of Amazon it means extra work to get non-Amazon Apps on it. pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98004 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Using Andriod Phone as remote but not as phone
Another great option is a nexus 7 and any of the android apps. Sent from my GT-P7510 using Tapatalk HD jimzak's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17592 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98004 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Using Andriod Phone as remote but not as phone
Thank you for your posts. I would never consider spending $250 on a remote for my Touch. I just noticed some Android phones on E Bay going for around $50(http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Unlocked-Android-2-3-Qualcomm-WiFi-Capacitive-Smart-Phone-w-Google-Play-Store-/390535797066?pt=Cell_Phoneshash=item5aedbf594a) which did not seem bad as a Squeezebox remote on the Bay is about $28 SlimChances's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=165 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98004 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Using Andriod Phone as remote but not as phone
Well, if it's outdated but decent one, you can live with not getting Android updates anymore and you are prepared to eventually buy a replacement battery, then a used Android phone at that price range might be a good deal. However, make sure the OS version on it is supported by the Apps you want to use. SqueezeCommander goes pretty far back but I'm not sure about OrangeSqueeze, SqueezeControl or the Logitech App. pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98004 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Where are your CDs?
I save the back insert only when it is the only place that the list of songs appears. It can be extremely frustrating to buy a CD only to open up the booklet and there's no information about what is on the CD. bomboloni's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=57289 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80369 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Ultimate Data Storage Device
adamdea wrote: Isn't that cyberpunk? Wouldn't steampunk be more like storing your mp3s on wax cylinders? +1 that would be something . Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97988 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Windows 8
banned for life wrote: There are no other players on the network. The server is at 192.168.3.200. The machine running Squeezeplay is 192.168.3.189 with netmask 255.255.252.0 Thank you for your kind attention. BFL And the servers net ask is also 255.255.252.0 ? You migth get it to manually conect somehow but then I'm not sure how. My networking skills are not that great it is usually 255.255.255.0 on most small home networks ( I know enough to make my home network run ) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97980 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
I got the BeagleBone today, it's a nice little board. Well I'll cut to the chase, I plugged in the HRT Music StreamerII async, 24 bit UAC1, no hub. It works perfectly straight out of the box. No software tweaking at all, it plays perfectly, NO clicks, pops or any other problems. Looking at the stream file it shows it running in ASYNC mode S24_3LE and the momentary frequency DOES change. This seems to bode well for the hardware. Next I'll try a XMOS based device, that is going to take a little bit more work to get setup (it's part of a DAC which is currently disassembled, I have to put it back together again before I can try it out). I just plugged in the XMOS board and it seems to be working (until I get it connected back to the rest of the DAC I can't get any sound out of it). It shows it running in ASYNC with S32_LE and momentary freq is changing. Again it seems to bode well. These were both at 44.1, it takes S long to transfer files to the SD card I haven't transfered over any 96 or 192 files. It does have sox so I can probably use FLAC to save some transfer time. Of course I need to get my music library mounted over the network, then I don't have to write them to the SD card. I think that's all that is going to get done for tonight, I'll get the XMOS hooked up tomorrow and make sure it is actually playing music. On another matter, the BeagleBone does have the I2S lines available on its expansion connector. It turns out that the distro it comes with has all it's module drivers available in /sys so parameters can be set. I found the driver for the audio interface (that handles both I2S and S/PDIF) in /sys, but there is no documentation on this and the node names were not exactly obvious. So it looks like it might be possible to configure the driver to send out I2s. I'm going to have to find the source for this driver in order find out what to put in the /sys nodes. So it might actually be possible to configure this to output I2S by just writing values to a /sys file. John S. JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Olive One - any downsides?
DaveWr wrote: No iTunes required, iPeng's fine. Please explain? Oh, and what if your library is in FLAC? amey01's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11274 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97599 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
Why 5v is it so that existing squeezebox power supplies can be reused ? Original or aftermarket . but is not a restriction ( possibly challenge ). Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Using Andriod Phone as remote but not as phone
Do you have Groupon in the States? If so they've just had some 7 inch tablets going for around $80. This and Orange Squeeze for $5 will give you the best remote available. It will be useful for lots of other things too. ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98004 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
