Re: [slim] Synology DSM upgrade to 4.3/5.0 | Any impact on SBT?
OK... thread can be closed ;-) I upgraded from DSM 4.1 to 4.3 at first. Then updated as proposed LMS. After that I upgraded to DSM5 and updated afterwards as proposed LMS the Perl app to the latest versions. The SBT needed also the latest version. So far everything runs and sounds brilliant as before. Cheers. marflao's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=57334 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101603 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
Like many I have been wondering what to do if my squeezebox devices fail. Many of the solutions on various threads suggest hardware replacements, and I'm a little puzzled as to why this is necessary at all. LMS (with several plugins) is still far and away more flexible than anything else I have found for organising and selecting music. For instance, on no other system have I found a way to play a random Classical Work (i.e. a randomly selected series of sequential series of tracks on an album that makes up a classical work). The best non-LMS server I have found is MinimServer (a UpNP server that has a really clever way of selecting tracks and has many other good features), but it can't do the more sophisticated stuff. I can control what LMS is doing from a wireless device with a browser anywhere in the house. In my case I need a laptop or tablet since classical tracks tend to have long names that occupy too much space on a smartphone. I have good quality amplifiers connected to my wired home network. These are UPnP compliant, and will accept streaming across my home network. I have used foobar2000 (running under wine on linux) with a UPnP plugin that provides a 'playback stream capture' mode. This streams anything that foobar2000 is playing locally directly to my amplifiers over the network using lpcm at up to 24/192,000 quality - more than good enough for me. I therefore know that sending digital audio in this way is possible. So 'all I need' is something like the excellent squeezelite (which I use a lot when at my desktop PC), but instead of outputting to a local audio device, replicates what foobar can do using UPnP over my wired network. I don't mind that the amplifier won't display any information about what is currently playing, since I am usually the other side of the room and can't read it from there anyway. I use the browser for that. I really shouldn't need another hardware device, be it based on a Raspberry Pi or Wandboard, with the attendant complexities involved. I don't need another DAC, or discussions about async USB versus optical or coax, different linux kernels and so on, much fun though such ideas are. As a slightly playful experiment I did manage to get sound from squeezelite to my amplifiers over my wired network without using the Touch, utilising an over-complicated combination of tools pretending to be an internet radio, but I couldn't get better quality than mp3 to work, and I had too many bits of software in the chain to make it practical (squeezelite to high quality audio, monitored by vlc, streamed to a local http address, picked up via minimserver in a playlist and played by my renderer). Any attempt to stream wav (or flac) from vlc failed, and I'm guessing that is because I don't understand http streaming technology well enough. However, this really doesn't matter because this isn't a sensible solution, involving far too many intermediate steps. So, is there any chance that some clever developer could produce something like squeezelite (so I can continue to use LMS as the best-in-class server) but get it to stream over a network to a UPnP renderer at high (but selectable) quality, rather than outputting to a local audio device? Is the reason no such solution seems to exist is that there are technical downsides of which I am unaware? Or does someone out there know of an existing solution? Or am I just being daft.? LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16-24 bit, 44.1-192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
PasTim wrote: Like many I have been wondering what to do if my squeezebox devices fail. Many of the solutions on various threads suggest hardware replacements, and I'm a little puzzled as to why this is necessary at all. LMS (with several plugins) is still far and away more flexible than anything else I have found for organising and selecting music. For instance, on no other system have I found a way to play a random Classical Work (i.e. a randomly selected series of sequential series of tracks on an album that makes up a classical work). The best non-LMS server I have found is MinimServer (a UpNP server that has a really clever way of selecting tracks and has many other good features), but it can't do the more sophisticated stuff. I can control what LMS is doing from a wireless device with a browser anywhere in the house. In my case I need a laptop or tablet since classical tracks tend to have long names that occupy too much space on a smartphone. I have good quality amplifiers connected to my wired home network. These are UPnP compliant, and will accept streaming across my home network. I have used foobar2000 (running under wine on linux) with a UPnP plugin that provides a 'playback stream capture' mode. This streams anything that foobar2000 is playing locally directly to my amplifiers over the network using lpcm at up to 24/192,000 quality - more than good enough for me. I therefore know that sending digital audio in this way is possible. So 'all I need' is something like the excellent squeezelite (which I use a lot when at my desktop PC), but instead of outputting to a local audio device, replicates what foobar can do using UPnP over my wired network. I don't mind that the amplifier won't display any information about what is currently playing, since I am usually the other side of the room and can't read it from there anyway. I use the browser for that. I really shouldn't need another hardware device, be it based on a Raspberry Pi or Wandboard, with the attendant complexities involved. I don't need another DAC, or discussions about async USB versus optical or coax, different linux kernels and so on, much fun though such ideas are. As a slightly playful experiment I did manage to get sound from squeezelite to my amplifiers over my wired network without using the Touch, utilising an over-complicated combination of tools pretending to be an internet radio, but I couldn't get better quality than mp3 to work, and I had too many bits of software in the chain to make it practical (squeezelite to high quality audio, monitored by vlc, streamed to a local http address, picked up via minimserver in a playlist and played by my renderer). Any attempt to stream wav (or flac) from vlc failed, and I'm guessing that is because I don't understand http streaming technology well enough. However, this really doesn't matter because this isn't a sensible solution, involving far too many intermediate steps. So, is there any chance that some clever developer could produce something like squeezelite (so I can continue to use LMS as the best-in-class server) but get it to stream over a network to a UPnP renderer at high (but selectable) quality, rather than outputting to a local audio device? Is the reason no such solution seems to exist is that there are technical downsides of which I am unaware? Or does someone out there know of an existing solution? Or am I just being daft.? I totally agree with you. The LMS music system with plugins is the most flexible music system on the market. Therefore I today got my fingers in a second Transporter for my kitchen. It runs balanced directly to a pair of active studio monitors. Sounds great :) . I love the flexibility to create playlists with dynamic playlists from my own library and combine them new music playlists from Wimp-hifi (flac streaming). My kids have a receiver and active speakers too. They mostly listen to Wimp. And the I have a receiver in the bedroom too. So I am not going away from my SB-system in years from now I am upgrading it.. :) The software is also rock solid now, and even on the ReadyNas the upgrades works like a charm now. LONG LIVE LMS :) Callesoroe Living room: Transporter, Tact RCS 2.2X digital preamp, Martin Logan Vista speakers, AMPS(Icepower): Acoustic Reality Ear Enigma PLUS(PANELS), Acoustic Reality Ear TWO MKII(Bas) Kitchen: SB-duet, Beresford TC7510 DAC, Prodipe Pro 5 active bi-amp speakers. callesoroe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22693 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
PasTim wrote: As a slightly playful experiment I did manage to get sound from squeezelite to my amplifiers over my wired network without using the Touch, utilising an over-complicated combination of tools pretending to be an internet radio, but I couldn't get better quality than mp3 to work, and I had too many bits of software in the chain to make it practical (squeezelite to high quality audio, monitored by vlc, streamed to a local http address, picked up via minimserver in a playlist and played by my renderer). Any attempt to stream wav (or flac) from vlc failed, and I'm guessing that is because I don't understand http streaming technology well enough. However, this really doesn't matter because this isn't a sensible solution, involving far too many intermediate steps. So, is there any chance that some clever developer could produce something like squeezelite (so I can continue to use LMS as the best-in-class server) but get it to stream over a network to a UPnP renderer at high (but selectable) quality, rather than outputting to a local audio device? Is the reason no such solution seems to exist is that there are technical downsides of which I am unaware? Or does someone out there know of an existing solution? Try squeezelite #10230; ALSA #10230; PulseAudio (maybe not needed if Rygel accepts ALSA as in input?) #10230; 'Rygel' (https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/Projects/Rygel?action=showredirect=Rygel) #10230; DLNA/UPnP Downside will be that player synchronization will not work properly with any of these solutions. [ extGUI4LMS - an alternative web interface: 'forum' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?98186-Announce-Alternative-Web-Interface-(beta)) / 'homepage' (http://code.google.com/p/extgui4lms/) ] Roland0's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56808 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
Roland0 wrote: Try squeezelite #10230; ALSA #10230; PulseAudio (maybe not needed if Rygel accepts ALSA as in input?) #10230; 'Rygel' (https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/Projects/Rygel?action=showredirect=Rygel) #10230; DLNA/UPnP Downside will be that player synchronization will not work properly with any of these solutions. Now you mention it I did try Rygel a while ago, with rather mixed, but mostly poor, results. It was quite a struggle to get it working at all. So I may try Rygel again, but I'd much rather have a tool that doesn't involve local audio as an interim step. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16-24 bit, 44.1-192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
PasTim wrote: So, is there any chance that some clever developer could produce something like squeezelite (so I can continue to use LMS as the best-in-class server) but get it to stream over a network to a UPnP renderer at high (but selectable) quality, rather than outputting to a local audio device? Is the reason no such solution seems to exist is that there are technical downsides of which I am unaware? Or does someone out there know of an existing solution? Using UPnP like you suggest you lose a lot of features. Including sync, etc. Lot of upnp players are also fairly difficult with different formats etc. I would suggest the best solutions is probably getting a WandBoard and install the Community Squeese OS on it (if you can download it). Or install some form of linux and squeezelite on it. That way you get something as close as possible to a touch less a screen. If you have a TV nearby you could probably add a now playing screen / browser / etc. You can then pass digital to the DAC of your choice from the wandboard. I have not tried this myself. I am actually waiting for a wandboard package to be delivered. I chose it for other things but as it seemed that lots of people are using it to replace squeezeboxes I thought that it would be good device for this reason also once my SBs die. Louis 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/lrossouw) lrossouw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3416 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
lrossouw wrote: Using UPnP like you suggest you lose a lot of features. Including sync, etc. Lot of upnp players are also fairly difficult with different formats etc. I would suggest the best solutions is probably getting a WandBoard and install the Community Squeese OS on it (if you can download it). Or install some form of linux and squeezelite on it. That way you get something as close as possible to a touch less a screen. If you have a TV nearby you could probably add a now playing screen / browser / etc. You can then pass digital to the DAC of your choice from the wandboard. I have not tried this myself. I am actually waiting for a wandboard package to be delivered. I chose it for other things but as it seemed that lots of people are using it to replace squeezeboxes I thought that it would be good device for this reason also once my SBs die. You can achieve the same with pretty much any low-cost arm device, eg. Raspberry Pi, Odroid U3 - both of which have Truehl's squeezeplug installer available. Touch - Muse M50 EX TPA3123 T-Amp Mini - Acoustics Q10 speakers Logitech Radio Logitech UE Smart Radio Raspberry Pi + Squeezeplug LMS + Squeezelite - Logitech Mini Boombox speaker Cubieboard + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker O2 Joggler + SqpOS + Aune X2 T-amp + Mordaunt Short ms-3.40 speakers IBOX + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Logitech Mini Boombox speaker castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
lrossouw wrote: Using UPnP like you suggest you lose a lot of features. Including sync, etc. Lot of upnp players are also fairly difficult with different formats etc. I don't need sync, since I tend to sit down and listen to music rather than wander from room to room. In my fairly small house I can wind up the volume if I have to!. I can't think of any other feature I'd lose, but I'd be happy to be disabused of this notion if someone knows better. My understanding is that all UPnP players accept a stream in lpcm/wav format, which is all I need. Certainly both of mine do with no problems at all. The benefit of the foobar2000 'Playback Stream Capture' facility is that it can avoid almost all the format issues by streaming pcm/wav. That way I don't need an extra box, yet another operating system, cabling options and so on, which is just what I want to avoid. All that extra kit is more to go wrong, and more to get in the way of what ought, superficially at least, to be the most direct, simple, and therefore reliable, solution. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16-24 bit, 44.1-192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
castalla wrote: You can achieve the same with pretty much any low-cost arm device, eg. Raspberry Pi, Odroid U3 - both of which have Truehl's squeezeplug installer available. But I don't want another box :-( LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16-24 bit, 44.1-192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
PasTim wrote: But I don't want another box :-( Here's a suggestion. Using Android - install Streambels player. Enable upnp/dnla on LMS. In streambels you can select a dlna device to play to. Use Streambels to select LMS as the music source. Streambels can also play to airplay devices or choose the phone/tablet speaker and enable bluetooth for bluetooth speakers, etc. Eats the battery! For the money, the Raspi is a cheap easily configured alternative. Touch - Muse M50 EX TPA3123 T-Amp Mini - Acoustics Q10 speakers Logitech Radio Logitech UE Smart Radio Raspberry Pi + Squeezeplug LMS + Squeezelite - Logitech Mini Boombox speaker Cubieboard + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker O2 Joggler + SqpOS + Aune X2 T-amp + Mordaunt Short ms-3.40 speakers IBOX + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Logitech Mini Boombox speaker castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
castalla wrote: Here's a suggestion. Using Android - install Streambels player. Enable upnp/dnla on LMS. In streambels you can select a dlna device to play to. Use Streambels to select LMS as the music source. Streambels can also play to airplay devices or choose the phone/tablet speaker and enable bluetooth for bluetooth speakers, etc. Eats the battery! For the money, the Raspi is a cheap easily configured alternative. I fear my initial post was too long :-) I really want to use the full LMS interface. The LMS DLNA facility is very limited (In fact I do use it for viewing my photo albums on my TV, but that's a very different kettle of fish) and is not what I want at all. So: A. I need to use the full LMS. B. A software player such as Squeezelite is perfect, except... C. I want it to output directly over my wired network in the UPnP stream format, rather than to an audio device - that's all. To be honest another piece of hardware, running another version of linux, or android, is another device I have to maintain and worry about. I would need to work out whether I need to look at any security issues (there always are), update issues (there often are), read countless forum entries about which way to connect to my amplifier (conmisdering all sorts of topics I don't understand, like jitter), whether I need a tweaked kernel, and so on. All for a piece of kit I don't really want. It isn't the cost, it's the complication. Further, to connect to my other renderer in another room, do I need a second box? No. An extension to software we already must surely be one way to go for people who like simplicity. Come to think of it, by running multiple copies of a 'squeezelite-like' player I could probably get a reasonable multi-room sync if I had to, given existing tools in LMS. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16-24 bit, 44.1-192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
PasTim wrote: I fear my initial post was too long :-) I really want to use the full LMS interface. The LMS DLNA facility is very limited (In fact I do use it for viewing my photo albums on my TV, but that's a very different kettle of fish) and is not what I want at all. So: A. I need to use the full LMS. B. A software player such as Squeezelite is perfect, except... C. I want it to output directly over my wired network in the UPnP stream format, rather than to an audio device - that's all. To be honest another piece of hardware, running another version of linux, or android, is another device I have to maintain and worry about. I would need to work out whether I need to look at any security issues (there always are), update issues (there often are), read countless forum entries about which way to connect to my amplifier (conmisdering all sorts of topics I don't understand, like jitter), whether I need a tweaked kernel, and so on. All for a piece of kit I don't really want. It isn't the cost, it's the complication. Further, to connect to my other renderer in another room, do I need a second box? No. An extension to software we already must surely be one way to go for people who like simplicity. Come to think of it, by running multiple copies of a 'squeezelite-like' player I could probably get a reasonable multi-room sync if I had to, given existing tools in LMS. Well ... you can continue wishing. Seems it's either dlna or the squeezeserver. - dlna doesn't do live streaming, afaik. Touch - Muse M50 EX TPA3123 T-Amp Mini - Acoustics Q10 speakers Logitech Radio Logitech UE Smart Radio Raspberry Pi + Squeezeplug LMS + Squeezelite - Logitech Mini Boombox speaker Cubieboard + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker O2 Joggler + SqpOS + Aune X2 T-amp + Mordaunt Short ms-3.40 speakers IBOX + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Logitech Mini Boombox speaker castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
castalla wrote: Well ... you can continue wishing. Seems it's either dlna or the squeezeserver. - dlna doesn't do live streaming, afaik. My whole post was based on the proven fact that dlna does do live streaming, that is what foobar2000 'Playback Stream Capture' does. It presents as a media source on DLNA devices, and then just streams the wav/lpcm. So I have the three parts of the solution (LMS, LMS software players, DLNA streamers) but they I can't get the latter two to talk to eachother - yet :) LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16-24 bit, 44.1-192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
PasTim wrote: A. I need to use the full LMS. B. A software player such as Squeezelite is perfect, except... C. I want it to output directly over my wired network in the UPnP stream format, rather than to an audio device - that's all. To be honest another piece of hardware, running another version of linux, or android, is another device I have to maintain and worry about. I would need to work out whether I need to look at any security issues (there always are), update issues (there often are), read countless forum entries about which way to connect to my amplifier (conmisdering all sorts of topics I don't understand, like jitter), whether I need a tweaked kernel, and so on. All for a piece of kit I don't really want. It isn't the cost, it's the complication. Further, to connect to my other renderer in another room, do I need a second box? No. An extension to software we already must surely be one way to go for people who like simplicity. While is may be possible to extend Squeezelite to act as a DNLA server, I think it's unlikely to happen since - it's already possible to do this using the solution I described above - it's a very specific and limited use case - it results in a loss of functionality - the only advantage I could see would be one (small, cheap (40EUR), and e.g. with picoplayer basically maintenance-free) box less Come to think of it, by running multiple copies of a 'squeezelite-like' player I could probably get a reasonable multi-room sync if I had to, given existing tools in LMS. Unlikely - DNLA has no provision for this, and without any intelligence in the endpoint, the server cannot adjust anything in any case due to the lack of feedback [ extGUI4LMS - an alternative web interface: 'forum' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?98186-Announce-Alternative-Web-Interface-(beta)) / 'homepage' (http://code.google.com/p/extgui4lms/) ] Roland0's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56808 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
PasTim wrote: My whole post was based on the proven fact that dlna does do live streaming, that is what foobar2000 'Playback Stream Capture' does. It presents as a media source on DLNA devices, and then just streams the wav/lpcm. So I have the three parts of the solution (LMS, LMS software players, DLNA streamers) but they I can't get the latter two to talk to eachother - yet :) So it's a sort of transcoder then? Touch - Muse M50 EX TPA3123 T-Amp Mini - Acoustics Q10 speakers Logitech Radio Logitech UE Smart Radio Raspberry Pi + Squeezeplug LMS + Squeezelite - Logitech Mini Boombox speaker Cubieboard + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker O2 Joggler + SqpOS + Aune X2 T-amp + Mordaunt Short ms-3.40 speakers IBOX + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Logitech Mini Boombox speaker castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
Roland0 wrote: While is may be possible to extend Squeezelite to act as a DNLA server, I think it's unlikely to happen since - it's already possible to do this using the solution I described above I'm trying rygel again as I write and will report. Roland0 wrote: - it's a very specific and limited use case I disagree, quite strongly. The world is full of amplifiers supporting network streaming, as against a few thousand unsupported logitech devices (I have no idea how many) and a few technically savvy people with wandboards, picoplayers and the like. If LMS supported people who just have network amplifiers more easily, there might be very many more users, especially those of a less technical frame of mind. Roland0 wrote: - it results in a loss of functionality Anything else apart from well-controlled multi-room sync? I can't think of anything. Roland0 wrote: - the only advantage I could see would be one (small, cheap (40EUR), and e.g. with picoplayer basically maintenance-free) box less Not having another box is, to my mind, an enormous advantage. It isn't about cost, it's about totally unnecessary complexity. But I have said my piece on that more than once. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16-24 bit, 44.1-192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
castalla wrote: So it's a sort of transcoder then? It's a digital audio streamer, not unlike Internet radio. My limited understanding is that it uses an http protocol. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16-24 bit, 44.1-192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
Perhaps this is a solution, if you want to use UPnP devices: Description Whitebear Media Server is a very specialised Media Server application, that is specifically designed to interface with Logitech's Squeezebox music server (Squeezebox Server). Media Server Whitebear is a UPnP (Universal Plug and Play) and DLNA (Digital Living Network Alliance) compatible Digital Media Server (DMS) that acts as a front end for Logitech's Squeezebox Server. This enables UPnP/DLNA compliant Digital Media Players (DMP) to access, browse and play tracks from your Squeezebox Server library. Media Renderer In addition Whitebear is an individual UPnP/DLNA compatible Digital Media Renderer (DMR) that acts as a front end for each Logitech Squeezebox player that it finds in your home audio network. This enables UPnP/DLNA compliant Control Points to control and play music files on the respective Squeezebox player by means of the Play To context menu. see http://www.whitebear.ch/mediaserver There is at least one thread here dealing with Whitebear. Perhaps Whitebear has better functionalities than the UPnP functionalities of LMS. Otto-Wilhelm --- 1 transporter with touch for controlling, 1 squeezebox 3 6 squeezebox radio 3 squeezebox controllers (+ a number of different squeezebox spares) ipeng on IPhones and IPads LMS with MusicIP under Windows Home Server 2011 on Dell PowerEdge 840 Server (Quad core Xenon X3210 @ 2.13 GHz, 8 GB RAM) ripping software: DBPowerAmp, tag editing software: TagRename Otto-Wilhelm's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
PasTim wrote: If LMS supported people who just have network amplifiers more easily, there might be very many more users ... Not having another box is, to my mind, an enormous advantage. It isn't about cost, it's about totally unnecessary complexity. But there is almost no incentive (for Logitech specifically) to provide any such functionality. Users of LMS who are not buying hardware does not result in revenue for Logitech. Which leaves the people in the SB user community to come up with any improvements/extensions of LMS and the SB ecosytem. The only reason any of these other non-Logitech solutions for using LMS exist is that individuals in this community decided the functionality was useful, primarily in the aspect of providing functional replacements for the defunct SB product line. I think you are going to have to have a substantially more persuasive, let's say sales pitch instead of argument, to convince someone to take on this project and create some plugin that emulates a SB to LMS, meaning that you can manipulate it in the interface and give it a playlist, and takes whatever it receives and makes it available as a stream via http. It's an interesting idea but, if you really want it, you may have to learn some programming :rolleyes: Win7Pro(x64)[3.3Ghz i5, 8GB RAM, 120GB SSD system, 15TB storage], LMS 7.7.3 - Logitech Squeezebox Classic V.3 - Cambridge Audio DacMagic - NAD C160 - 2 x NAD C272 - Quad 22L2 get.amped's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10022 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
Otto-Wilhelm wrote: Perhaps this is a solution, if you want to use UPnP devices: Description Whitebear Media Server is a very specialised Media Server application, that is specifically designed to interface with Logitech's Squeezebox music server (Squeezebox Server). Thanks. I have used Whitebear (for my TV) in the past, but as far as I known it's Windows only. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16-24 bit, 44.1-192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
get.amped wrote: But there is almost no incentive (for Logitech specifically) to provide any such functionality. Users of LMS who are not buying hardware does not result in revenue for Logitech. Which leaves the people in the SB user community to come up with any improvements/extensions of LMS and the SB ecosytem. The only reason any of these other non-Logitech solutions for using LMS exist is that individuals in this community decided the functionality was useful, primarily in the aspect of providing functional replacements for the defunct SB product line. I think you are going to have to have a substantially more persuasive, let's say sales pitch instead of argument, to convince someone to take on this project and create some plugin that emulates a SB to LMS, meaning that you can manipulate it in the interface and give it a playlist, and takes whatever it receives and makes it available as a stream via http. It's an interesting idea but, if you really want it, you may have to learn some programming :rolleyes: Logitrech are really out of the loop on this, so I was hoping that the likes of Triode might be interested. He has done the first part of this brilliantly, taking the stream from LMS such that it can be controlled by the usual LMS browser. He has also done the probably much harder part of getting squeezelite to output to myriad audio devices of varying qualities and specifications, and everyone loves it. I was hoping that streaming via http/UPnP would be relatively simple, but I am no doubt being naive. I am no salesman, as is no doubt apparent. Having started programming 43 years ago, but pretty well stopped around 20 years ago (when the IT world was an awful lot simpler than it is now and you could control almost all of it should you so wish), I doubt I could learn enough myself now. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16-24 bit, 44.1-192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Problem connecting one Touch to the LMS/Vortexbox
i appreciate the logic of switching players certainly, but I'm not sure if what comes next supports the 'move it and check' argument, or my 'try not to disturb then in case they take the huff' one... came to bed tonight, thought I'd listen to some Radio Paradise. Using Squeezepad, I went to turn on the Touch in the bedroom, which has been stable for weeks or even months, and which I used just this morning when getting ready for work, and... it's not showing as an option. OK. Try to turn it on manually, and it's doing the same thing as the 'downstairs' one I started this thread about. First of all it's sticky finding the network, then it defaults to MSB.com and can't see the vortexbox. To the best of my knowledge nothing has happened today while I've been out of the house. Also, another two very stable Touches have disappeared from the Squeezeplay list of players - while two classics and two booms remain listed!! Surely this can't just be a wifi/connectivity issue? There has to be something else 'tripping' that's causing this flaky behaviour? Why just the Touches? It's too late to start running around the house rebooting the vortexbox and the router, and I'm unlikely to get the time until the weekend, but should I need to? Is this sort of thing really what everyone else is putting up with? Seems I might need to dust off the old CD player again... This isn't really meant to be a rant or a whinge, just a little frustration that I just can't seem to get to the bottom of why the SP infrastructure can be so intermittently problematic. Any suggestions gratefully received.:) Ta Donald SB user since 2000... 3 x Touch; 2 x Boom ; 3 x Classic; 1 x Controller Spares - 1xClassic; 2xSB1 Controlled by iPad using 'Squeezepad' Vortexbox appliance running LMS version 7.8 donmacn's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36036 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101601 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Problem connecting one Touch to the LMS/Vortexbox
donmacn wrote: i appreciate the logic of switching players certainly, but I'm not sure if what comes next supports the 'move it and check' argument, or my 'try not to disturb then in case they take the huff' one... came to bed tonight, thought I'd listen to some Radio Paradise. Using Squeezepad, I went to turn on the Touch in the bedroom, which has been stable for weeks or even months, and which I used just this morning when getting ready for work, and... it's not showing as an option. OK. Try to turn it on manually, and it's doing the same thing as the 'downstairs' one I started this thread about. First of all it's sticky finding the network, then it defaults to MSB.com and can't see the vortexbox. To the best of my knowledge nothing has happened today while I've been out of the house. Also, another two very stable Touches have disappeared from the Squeezeplay list of players - while two classics and two booms remain listed!! Surely this can't just be a wifi/connectivity issue? There has to be something else 'tripping' that's causing this flaky behaviour? Why just the Touches? It's too late to start running around the house rebooting the vortexbox and the router, and I'm unlikely to get the time until the weekend, but should I need to? Is this sort of thing really what everyone else is putting up with? Seems I might need to dust off the old CD player again... This isn't really meant to be a rant or a whinge, just a little frustration that I just can't seem to get to the bottom of why the SP infrastructure can be so intermittently problematic. Any suggestions gratefully received.:) Ta Donald You shouldn't *need* to do any of this. I have a transporter, touch, radio, Boom all connected back to a Vortexbox server. I control with a CONTROLLER, Squeezepad, iPeng, and squeezeplay running on win7 laptop. I can go months and months without so much as a reboot of the vortexbox. And all players show up as connected, etc. This is true even if I have a power outage (server is on UBS, so it stays on during brief power outage). Players reconnect almost immediately. Your problems sound network related to me. And diagnosing network problems requires some testing, with and without, moving things around, wiring things temporarily, etc. Just because you haven't changed anything on your network, doesn't mean your neighbor hasn't installed a new router, baby monitor, electric fence, special lightbulb, etc. Heck one poster here had an ongoing problem that eventually tied back to a relatively new refrigerator causing wifi interference. I have no idea about your particular issue, but I can say that in 90%+ cases like yours I've seen discussed here over the years, the local network was ultimately the culprit and not the players, the firmware, etc. And 90% of the time the poster was sure that it couldn't possibly be the network. I can also say that a year or so ago I was having some odd intermittent connection problems and replaced the router and problems were resolved immediately. Routers, switches, cables, etc. can go from working perfectly to not working in a moment without any obvious cause. Anyhow, this is a long way of saying that systematic testing to determine what part of the chain is working/not working is key to diagnosing things. And it's not magic (i.e., don't worry about the ghosts of squeezeboxes working against you if you dare unplug something). These things should be robust when working properly. At my weekend place I turn off everything and unplug when leaving. Upon return, I plug in modem/router, plug in vortexbox and turn on, turn on power to squeezeboxes, and all turns on and reconnects automatically, players remain synched (if synched before), etc. After simply plugging everything in, it all returns to full working state without any intervention from me (whether one week or one month has passed). p.s. Regarding your latest issue. Be a bit carefulI've been looking at my squeezepad and thought that I'd lost all my players, etc. Turns out that I had the iPad on 3G instead of WIFI. And not being on WIFI, squeezepad and iPeng work, but can't see the local network, so don't see the vortexbox LMS server or the players connected to it. But can see mysb.com. I've started testing things, etc. only to eventually realize that 'duh' I didn't have ipad or iphone on WIFI. *Location 1:* VortexBox 4TB (2.2) LMS 7.8 Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Location 2:* VBA 3TB (2.2) LMS 7.8 Touch Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win7(64) LMS 7.8 Squeezelite *Spares:* VBA 4TB, SB3, Touch (3), Radio (3), CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone4S iPad2 (iPeng7 Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Tagging - mp3tag, Streaming - Spotify garym's Profile:
Re: [slim] Problem connecting one Touch to the LMS/Vortexbox
Yeah, your original issue was one player in one location, where a player swap would be a good diagnostic tool. But if it is now multiple players in different locations that seems more like a general network or host computer issue. toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101601 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Problem connecting one Touch to the LMS/Vortexbox
A properly configured wired network will typically function without issues unless a piece of hardware fails. But wireless, particularly G, is susceptible to all kinds of interference as noted by others. It's one reason why I avoid wireless whenever possible and, when I can't, will often use a separate wireless N router as a bridge instead of using the wireless G in the SB (plug the SB into the bridge with an ethernet cable, bridge connects to main wifi router). But I've seen all kinds of bad networking practices. Poorly configured DHCP can cause lots of problems (scope too small, lease too long, static IPs assigned but not excluded from the scope). You may want to take some time and document your network configuration in some detail if you haven't already. If you would like a template, I can give you a fill in the blank of what you should know about your network. Sometimes going through the exercise will reveal a conflict or misconfiguration that will explain the anomalous behavior. Win7Pro(x64)[3.3Ghz i5, 8GB RAM, 120GB SSD system, 15TB storage], LMS 7.7.3 - Logitech Squeezebox Classic V.3 - Cambridge Audio DacMagic - NAD C160 - 2 x NAD C272 - Quad 22L2 get.amped's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10022 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101601 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
