[slim] Re: Wireless bridge question
seanadams;172362 Wrote: > That is not what should happen at all. When the SB3 is operating in > bridging mode, it keeps track of who is on the ethernet side and who is > on the wireless side - it knows where to send a packet. > Sean, If I may say as a guy who does IP networking for a living, building a bridge into the SB3 & Tp was a stroke of simple genius and a major differentiator in the product. It really shows a seperation of the "audio" crowd from the audio as a network application thought process. In one shot, I now have wired connectivity all over my house. No additional .11g antennae, or anything. I think the bridge function is tremendously underestimated in the market. My only complaint: I wanted an integrated multiport switch! No pleasing some people... :-) Consider it as a possible different offering just like Linksys does (one port device, multiport integrated switch etc etc). Good job and thanks. -- Eric Carroll Eric Carroll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9293 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31850 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Wireless bridge question
Mark Lanctot;172391 Wrote: > About the only drawback to this arrangement is if you have another > Squeezebox on the wireless portion because it'll be a 2-hop arrangement > - which isn't a problem for some people though. Mark, Some points that I hope are not already clear but hopefully address a couple of points in your posting. Bridges build topology of the layer 2 (Ethernet) network based on listening to the MAC address connected to each port (or if cycles exist in the network using spanning tree protocol). So each bridge knows what MACs are on which port, by definition of how bridges work. So don't worry about packets going wrong direction - bridges know where the MAC is (the exception is if a bridge gets a packet and has not heard the MAC previously, then it "floods" the packet to all bridge ports). Also, ARP is running, so device IP stacks ARP the destination IP and get the MAC, before sending. When the device is "local" to the Ethernet (in the same subnet, wired or not - the contiguous bridged domain) the device stack knows not to use the router for packet forwarding. If a device is locally connected the packet goes direct. Finally, hops don't matter. Don't let anyone tell you they do. Most people who think hop counts are important are listening to old anti-IP FUD from ATM and TDM vendors of years gone by and IP stacks with low initial TTL from yesteryear. The simple fact is that the cut through time (time from first bit in to first bit out with no queueing delay) on a two port bridge (which is that the SB3 is) is measured in microseconds, If the silicon is less intelligent and buffers the whole packet, you are looking at milliseconds. It just doesn't matter. If you were going multiple times over the same wireless network, that would be an issue, but that is not what is happening in this example. -- Eric Carroll Eric Carroll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9293 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31850 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Wireless bridge question
Ah, my apologies. By router you mean Wireless Access Point, which can be a router or a bridge. Mine happens to be a bridge so I thought you meant a different topology. My bad I didn't read carefully enough. In the case you are talking about looks like this? SlimServer - SB(bridge) - Wireless - WAP - Wireless - SB If so, then, yes, the packet flows twice over the wireless access network. Sorry. In my case I also have WAP - LAN - Router - Cable/DSL. The router is the default gateway and the DHCP server... But if you are running .11g (and not mixed b/g or b) and have good wireless connectivity I would not have expected this to be a problem. My FLAC streams take .3-1 Mb/s (plus packet overhead) which is substantially less than the wireless access network speed with good connectivity. Putting the SlimServer on a SB with poor wireless connectivity or a .11b connection would definately be non-optimal. -- Eric Carroll Eric Carroll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9293 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31850 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Wireless bridge question
Mark Lanctot;173957 Wrote: > Hmm? I thought it was? > > NAS (SlimServer) - SB (acting as bridge) to router, one wireless hop. > > Router/AP to another SB, wireless, 2nd wireless hop. > Well, my bad, that will teach me to respond without reading more carefully, and I know better. Sorry. "router" confused me. A wireless access point (WAP) can be either a bridge or a router. In my network my WAP is a bridge. The SB is a Wireless Station (STA), either end device or bridge. So, let's take three cases. 1) Peer to Peer mode. Topology: SlimServer - STA(SB,Bridge) - 802.11g - STA(SB) 2) Infrastructure mode. Topology: SlimServer - STA(SB,Bridge) - 802.11g - WAP - 802.11g - STA(SB) 3) LAN topology: Computer - STA(SB,Bridge) - 802.11g - WAP - 802.11g - STA(SB) WAP - LAN - SlimServer (1) there is no routed hops and 1 wireless "hop". Hops usually mean routers (decrement TTL and forward). If you are running 11g and have good wireless connectvity you should have no issues in this mode. STA(SB) sends request to SlimServer, it flows STA(SB) direct to STA(SB,Bridge). Then the bridge function looks at the packet, sees the MAC is for the Slimserver, looks at its MAC forwarding table and sees the SlimServer is on the wired port, and forwards it out the Ethernet wired port. The SlimServer responds, sends a packet to the STA(SB,Bridge), who looks at the MAC header, sees that it needs to go wireless and sends it to STA(SB). In this case, you should get usual speed of 24 Mb/s or peak speeds of 54 Mb/s, well able to support a FLAC stream at .3-1 Mb/s plus headers. (2) there is no routed hops if the WAP is a bridge. If the WAP is a router, and the packet is STA to STA *there is no routed hop* (meaning no TTL decrement, its on the same IP subnet). There are 2 wireless access network "hops". Path in this example is the STA(SB) sends to WAP, who retransmits to STA(SB,Bridge). STA(SB,Bridge) sees the MAC is for the SlimServer which is out the Ethernet interface, and forwards it. Reply from SlimServer goes to STA(SB,Bridge), forwards to WAP, forwards to STA(SB). Since 11g has a peak bandwidth of 54 Mb/s and usual speed of 24 Mb/s, you should have no problem getting 10 Mb/s thoughput (half of the AP usual speed). (3) There is one wireless "hop" from SlimServer to SB, the usual configuration. So your example is (2), right? Given the forwarding outlined above, and a usual .11g speed of 24 Mb/s (peak speed of 54 Mb/s), and FLAC streaming at .3-1 Mb/s (plus header overhead) you should not have trouble supporting a FLAC stream from SlimServer to SB. However, if you have marginal wireless connectivity or use 11b, data rates plunge massively and this will definately be a problem. This is likely the source of connectivity problems when using topology (2). Set the WAP to .11g mode only, and check wireless strength. If necessary, buy high gain antennae for the WAP to help. Another point you made confused me too: Mark Lanctot;172337 Wrote: > I'm amazed this all works? > > Because this is a convoluted wireless arrangement. Say the SB3 wants > to send something to SlimServer. It can't do this over its crossover > cable because you've told it to use the wireless interface and bridge > the Ethernet port. So it looks for SlimServer out over the wireless > interface. > This is what I was really responding to. See my packet flow above - the Bridge determines which side the MAC address is on. I hope this fixes my reply... -- Eric Carroll Eric Carroll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9293 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31850 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Wireless bridge question
seanadams;174097 Wrote: > One thing that is interesting about the Ubicom platform we use is that > they implement the ethernet MAC in software. I assumed you used a Ethernet MAC chipset, which are relatively cheap these days and can do hardware cut through, but software is even less expensive. This is an important point, thanks for the clarification. So, let's calculate. Assuming the wireless is working at full data rate, 54 Mb/s, a maximum size Ethernet packet of 1500 bytes, serialization time is about .2 ms. Double that if you get only 24 Mb/s to .5 ms. x 2 for input & output is 1 ms (which is only true for wired Ethernet devices). If we assume .1 ms (20K instructions at 200 MHz?) to make the switching decision (I hope not, but let's say) you have about 1 ms rounded per wireless "hop" in .11g land. So, it still doesn't matter... Lots and lots of "hops" before TCP even begins to notice the bandwidth delay product. If we were dealing with 1 Mb/s connections or lower, yep, you are right it would matter but we wouldn't be streaming FLAC. Serialization delay on 1 Mb/s connections is 12ms x 2 = 25 ms per hop. -- Eric Carroll Eric Carroll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9293 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31850 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Wireless bridge question
Very nifty! And I guessed 24 Mb/s with no measurement, no data and just a virtual napkin... This is getting to be too much like work. :-) I think I will go listen to my Transporter :-) -- Eric Carroll Transporter-Bryston 3B SST-Paradigm Reference Studio 60 v.4 SB3-Rotel RB890-B&W Matrix 805 SB3-Pioneer VSX-49TXi-Mirage OM7+C2+R2 Eric Carroll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9293 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31850 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: 30-second freeze?
This issue appears to still be a problem. There is another thread on this issue here: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31566 I am definately impacted by this UI stall problem. -- Eric Carroll Transporter-Bryston 3B SST-Paradigm Reference Studio 60 v.4 SB3-Rotel RB890-B&W Matrix 805 SB3-Pioneer VSX-49TXi-Mirage OM7+C2+R2 Eric Carroll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9293 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23988 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: 30-second freeze?
I have posted the Tech Support response on this issue in the other thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31566 If you have this problem and you are a wired user, please post describing your symptoms. We need to figure out if this is solely a wireless issue. -- Eric Carroll Transporter-Bryston 3B SST-Paradigm Reference Studio 60 v.4 SB3-Rotel RB890-B&W Matrix 805 SB3-Pioneer VSX-49TXi-Mirage OM7+C2+R2 Eric Carroll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9293 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23988 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Can anyone recommend headphones?
I am interested in this post as headphones are my next target purchase. www.headphone.com posts frequency response curves of some of their models, and I have been a bit taken aback by the significant suck-outs in the curves. Is this normal? Is there not a headphone set with a flat frequency resposnse curve? Is there any way to buy a equalizer to compensate for the suck outs? -- Eric Carroll Transporter-Bryston 3B SST-Paradigm Reference Studio 60 v.4 SB3-Rotel RB890-B&W Matrix 805 SB3-Pioneer VSX-49TXi-Mirage OM7+C2+R2 Eric Carroll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9293 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Need User Data to Diagnose GUI Stall Problem
In two other threads, people are reporting the SB GUI stalling as users scroll from one menu to another. These stalls are reported as 8-30 seconds long. I have reported this problem to Tech Support, however, they immediately indicate it is my wireless network. We need some data from the community to understand if this is a slimserver, SB or network problem. If you have this symptom could you post to this thread just the following information (take discussion to another thread): 1. Do you have the symptom on Wired devices? 2. Do you have the symptom on Wireless devices? 3. How frequently does it occur? 4. What are you runing slimserver on? 5. For each device with the issue: a) identify if the device is wired or wireless b) Go to the Slimserver Web page Server & Network health under the Help section of the default page layout. c) Go to the "Player Statistics" for the player on the bottom. d) Post the Signal Strength and Control Connection graphs. e) Run a Network test to the device, 1000 kb/s, to a count of 1000, and post the resulting graph. f) run "ping -t " for 200 pings and cut & paste the result We hope to see if wired users experience this as much as wireless, and if so, if their networks are clean. My hypothesis is that this is a slimserver bug. But until we eliminate the network, it is reasonable for SD to continue to suspect user's wireless networks. So I hope this will start to provide some data for all of us to look at. -- Eric Carroll Transporter-Bryston 3B SST-Paradigm Reference Studio 60 v.4 SB3-Rotel RB890-B&W Matrix 805 SB3-Pioneer VSX-49TXi-Mirage OM7+C2+R2 Eric Carroll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9293 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32238 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Need User Data to Diagnose GUI Stall Problem
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32238 Question: Do you have a intermittent SB GUI pause for 8-30 sec? - Yes, my wireless SB will intermittently pause for 8-30sec. - Yes my wired SB will intermittently pause for 8-30sec. - No, my SB GUI does not pause. 1. Frequency: several times an hour 2. Computer: Infrant ReadyNAS NV+w. 1GB mem 3. Network data Basement SB3 Signal Strength < 10 : 0 : 0% < 20 : 0 : 0% < 30 : 2 : 0% < 40 : 177 : 32% < 50 : 373 : 68% # < 60 : 0 : 0% < 70 : 0 : 0% < 80 : 0 : 0% < 90 : 0 : 0% < 100 : 0 : 0% >=100 :0 : 0% max : 49.00 min : 28.00 avg : 41.014493 Control Connection < 1 : 556 :100% ## < 2 : 0 : 0% < 5 : 0 : 0% < 10 : 0 : 0% < 20 : 0 : 0% >=20 :0 : 0% max : 0.00 min : 0.00 avg : 0.00 Network Test < 10 : 0 : 0% < 20 : 0 : 0% < 30 : 0 : 0% < 40 : 0 : 0% < 50 : 0 : 0% < 60 : 0 : 0% < 70 : 0 : 0% < 75 : 0 : 0% < 80 : 0 : 0% < 85 : 0 : 0% < 90 : 0 : 0% < 95 : 0 : 0% < 100 : 0 : 0% >=100 : 1349 :100% ## max : 100.00 min : 100.00 avg : 100.00 Ping statistics for 192.168.1.100: Packets: Sent = 392, Received = 392, Lost = 0 (0% loss), Approximate route trip times in milli-seconds: Minimum = 1ms, Maximum = 30ms, Average = 2ms 3rd Floor SB3 Signal Strength < 10 : 0 : 0% < 20 : 0 : 0% < 30 : 0 : 0% < 40 : 0 : 0% < 50 : 0 : 0% < 60 : 0 : 0% < 70 : 132 : 21% ## < 80 : 299 : 47% ### < 90 : 202 : 32% ### < 100 : 0 : 0% >=100 :0 : 0% max : 85.00 min : 64.00 avg : 73.67 Control Connection < 1 : 642 :100% ## < 2 : 0 : 0% < 5 : 0 : 0% < 10 : 0 : 0% < 20 : 0 : 0% >=20 :0 : 0% max : 0.00 min : 0.00 avg : 0.00 Network test < 10 : 0 : 0% < 20 : 0 : 0% < 30 : 0 : 0% < 40 : 0 : 0% < 50 : 0 : 0% < 60 : 0 : 0% < 70 : 0 : 0% < 75 : 0 : 0% < 80 : 0 : 0% < 85 : 0 : 0% < 90 : 0 : 0% < 95 : 0 : 0% < 100 : 0 : 0% >=100 : 792 :100% ## max : 100.00 min : 100.00 avg : 100.00 Ping statistics for 192.168.1.101: Packets: Sent = 394, Received = 394, Lost = 0% Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds: Minimum = 0ms, Maximum = 17ms, Average = 1ms 1st Floor Transporter Signal Strength < 10 : 0 : 0% < 20 : 0 : 0% < 30 : 0 : 0% < 40 : 0 : 0% < 50 : 0 : 0% < 60 : 0 : 0% < 70 : 0 : 0% < 80 : 54 : 6% ## < 90 : 882 : 94% ### < 100 : 0 : 0% >=100 :0 : 0% max : 87.00 min : 75.00 avg : 81.534188 Control Connection < 1 : 1205 :100% ## < 2 : 0 : 0% < 5 : 0 : 0% < 10 : 0 : 0% < 20 : 0 : 0% >=20 :0 : 0% max : 0.00 min : 0.00 avg : 0.00 Network Test < 10 : 0 : 0% < 20 : 0 : 0% < 30 : 0 : 0% < 40 : 1 : 0% < 50 : 0 : 0% < 60 : 0 : 0% < 70 : 0 : 0% < 75 : 0 : 0% < 80 : 0 : 0% < 85 : 0 : 0% < 90 : 0 : 0% < 95 : 0 : 0% < 100 : 0 : 0% >=100 : 1183 :100% # max : 100.00 min : 30.851064 avg : 99.941597 Ping statistics for 192.168.1.105: Packets: Sent = 1457, Received = 1457, Lost = 0% Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds: Minimum = 0ms, Maximum = 104ms, Average = 1ms This pretty clearly shows my wireless network is as clean as a whistle. -- Eric Carroll Transporter-Bryston 3B SST-Paradigm Reference Studio 60 v.4 SB3-Rotel RB890-B&W Matrix 805 SB3-Pioneer VSX-49TXi-Mirage OM7+C2+R2 Eric Carroll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9293 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32238 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Need User Data to Diagnose GUI Stall Problem
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32238 Question: Do you have a intermittent SB GUI pause for 8-30 sec? - Yes, my wireless SB will intermittently pause for 8-30sec. - Yes my wired SB will intermittently pause for 8-30sec. - No, my SB GUI does not pause. bump... Was I was confused by the other threads? This is not an issue? -- Eric Carroll Transporter-Bryston 3B SST-Paradigm Reference Studio 60 v.4 SB3-Rotel RB890-B&W Matrix 805 SB3-Pioneer VSX-49TXi-Mirage OM7+C2+R2 Eric Carroll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9293 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32238 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Need User Data to Diagnose GUI Stall Problem
42 avg : 0.026107 Web Page Build The length of time taken to build each web page. < 0.002 :0 : 0% < 0.005 :0 : 0% < 0.01 :0 : 0% < 0.015 :0 : 0% < 0.025 :0 : 0% < 0.05 :0 : 0% < 0.1 :0 : 0% < 0.5 :9 : 4% # < 1 :9 : 4% # < 5 : 222 : 91% # >=5 :4 : 2% max : 12.981102 min : 0.259739 avg : 1.569122 Process Template The time to process each Template Toolkit template when building web pages. < 0.002 :0 : 0% < 0.005 : 1116 : 8% ### < 0.01 : 2623 : 18% # < 0.015 : 7820 : 54% ### < 0.025 : 62 : 0% < 0.05 : 1994 : 14% ## < 0.1 : 148 : 1% < 0.5 : 409 : 3% # < 1 : 214 : 1% < 5 : 14 : 0% >=5 :0 : 0% max : 4.82 min : 0.002805 avg : 0.031899 IR Queue Length The delay between an IR key press being received and being processed. < 0.002 :0 : 0% < 0.005 : 287 : 49% < 0.01 : 56 : 10% < 0.015 : 22 : 4% # < 0.025 : 34 : 6% ## < 0.05 : 54 : 9% < 0.1 : 88 : 15% ### < 0.5 : 37 : 6% ### < 1 :0 : 0% < 5 :4 : 1% >=5 :1 : 0% max : 16.438772 min : 0.002865 avg : 0.074439 -- Eric Carroll Transporter-Bryston 3B SST-Paradigm Reference Studio 60 v.4 SB3-Rotel RB890-B&W Matrix 805 SB3-Pioneer VSX-49TXi-Mirage OM7+C2+R2 Eric Carroll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9293 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32238 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Need User Data to Diagnose GUI Stall Problem
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32238 Question: Do you have a intermittent SB GUI pause for 8-30 sec? - Yes, my wireless SB will intermittently pause for 8-30sec. - Yes my wired SB will intermittently pause for 8-30sec. - No, my SB GUI does not pause. I don't believe this UI stall issue has anything to do with the network. But we have to show tech support of this before they will budge off their "its the network" position. My wireless is clean, as you can see. I still have UI stalls. Are you saying that if the server receives a SB3 keypress, then drops it due to overload (it can drop it?) that is counted in the performance stats as success? Why will I get performance warnings if the histograms show no issues? Are you talking about the thresholds on the server performance stats page or some other performance warnings? If slimserver is quietly dropping keypresses when "too busy" that would explain a lot, but it seems too obvious... or is it? -- Eric Carroll Transporter-Bryston 3B SST-Paradigm Reference Studio 60 v.4 SB3-Rotel RB890-B&W Matrix 805 SB3-Pioneer VSX-49TXi-Mirage OM7+C2+R2 Eric Carroll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9293 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32238 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Need User Data to Diagnose GUI Stall Problem
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32238 Question: Do you have a intermittent SB GUI pause for 8-30 sec? - Yes, my wireless SB will intermittently pause for 8-30sec. - Yes my wired SB will intermittently pause for 8-30sec. - No, my SB GUI does not pause. Triode;175884 Wrote: > > SS drops key presses if they have been queued up for too long. If you > edit the perl in Slim/Hardware/IR.pm to change $maxIRQTime you can > adjust how long is deemed too long. The idea here is that keeping old > key presses and processing them too later is worse than loosing them. > At present the IR time graph shows how long a key press is stored for, > but does not show that ones over the threshold above are actually > droppped without doing anything. > > The server code is single threaded, but tries to maintain audio > streaming if at all possible. This is what "Response Time" is really > recording - the time between checking to see if streaming is needed. > However for other functions its possible that UI will be locked out > because it is single threaded and so a function may take some time and > the only other thing done when it is running is audio streaming. So > when building a web page for example, the player UI will freeze, but > audio streaming should be maintained. This is by current design of the > server. Well well this is very interesting. Thanks, you are the first person that's been able to explain this to me so far. What is the default for maxIRQTime? (I am just starting to look around SS - and the internal documentation seems, well, limited) With performance alarms on I am seeing lots of strange 15 second delay reports that are not showing up in the histograms: 2007-01-30 18:23:39.3165 Select Task >.5 : 15.86377 Slim::Networking::Async::HTTP::_http_read_body 2007-01-30 18:23:39.3330 Timer Late >.5 : 15.87504 2007-01-30 18:23:39.3624 Response Time>.5 : 15.91006 2007-01-30 18:23:39.3682 Timer Late >.5 : 15.69968 2007-01-30 18:23:39.3785 Timer Late >.5 : 15.70222 2007-01-30 18:23:39.3904 Timer Late >.5 : 15.66950 2007-01-30 18:23:39.4246 Timer Late >.5 : 15.69042 2007-01-30 18:23:39.4354 Timer Late >.5 : 14.21449 2007-01-30 18:23:39.4426 Timer Late >.5 : 13.44166 2007-01-30 18:23:39.4770 Timer Late >.5 : 2.34886 2007-01-30 18:23:39.4973 Timer Late >.5 : 2.34086 2007-01-30 18:38:39.2370 Select Task >.5 : 15.86086 Slim::Networking::Async::HTTP::_http_read_body 2007-01-30 18:38:39.2536 Timer Late >.5 : 15.79570 2007-01-30 18:38:39.2831 Response Time>.5 : 15.90738 2007-01-30 18:38:39.2887 Timer Late >.5 : 15.56050 2007-01-30 18:38:39.3229 Timer Late >.5 : 15.32192 2007-01-30 18:38:39.3576 Timer Late >.5 : 15.19713 2007-01-30 18:38:39.4262 Timer Late >.5 : 15.20347 2007-01-30 18:38:39.4385 Timer Late >.5 : 15.16337 2007-01-30 18:38:39.4493 Timer Late >.5 : 14.22114 2007-01-30 18:53:39.3777 Select Task >.5 : 15.85946 Slim::Networking::Async::HTTP::_http_read_body 2007-01-30 18:53:39.3941 Timer Late >.5 : 15.65779 2007-01-30 18:53:39.4266 Response Time>.5 : 15.90890 2007-01-30 18:53:39.4323 Timer Late >.5 : 15.43129 2007-01-30 18:53:39.4760 Timer Late >.5 : 15.33866 2007-01-30 18:53:39.5346 Timer Late >.5 : 15.25172 2007-01-30 18:53:39.5468 Timer Late >.5 : 15.21176 2007-01-30 18:53:39.5577 Timer Late >.5 : 15.09981 2007-01-30 18:53:39.5882 Timer Late >.5 : 14.35192 I don't think I am using the Web GUI at these times, but I will have to look more closely. I have not yet correlated these alarms with UI freeze, but the time period is darn coincidental. Is there any way to localize these messages further? How do I figure out what is setting up or firing the instance of Slim::Networking::Async::HTTP::_http_read_body? Now, the really hard part. Is there any plan to thread SS? I am willing to put fingers to keyboard if needed to fix this issue. I know many people use the web GUI, but all my devices are far away from spinning disks and computers, intentionally. So the remote performance matters tremendously, second only to streaming. -- Eric Carroll Transporter-Bryston 3B SST-Paradigm Reference Studio 60 v.4 SB3-Rotel RB890-B&W Matrix 805 SB3-Pioneer VSX-49TXi-Mirage OM7+C2+R2 ---
[slim] Re: Need User Data to Diagnose GUI Stall Problem
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32238 Question: Do you have a intermittent SB GUI pause for 8-30 sec? - Yes, my wireless SB will intermittently pause for 8-30sec. - Yes my wired SB will intermittently pause for 8-30sec. - No, my SB GUI does not pause. Triode, I feel like I am getting somewhere now. Just to be safe, I turned off the SuperDateTime plugin I had running on a single SB3. I was using it to gather & display local weather forecasts. This definately improved things (which is weird, I thought I had turned the weather update way down so it wouldn't be doing http gets for the weather all the time; just twice an hour). But even after doing this, an SB3 still stalled once, and, yes, here is the performance alarm: 2007-01-30 19:38:42.7632 Select Task >.5 : 15.90966 Slim::Networking::Async::HTTP::_http_read_body 2007-01-30 19:38:42.7889 Response Time>.5 : 15.93579 I believe this was coincident. So, something in SS is doing http_read_body, causing a long lockout of the single thread and impacting IR processing. But what? Any help appreciated. -- Eric Carroll Transporter-Bryston 3B SST-Paradigm Reference Studio 60 v.4 SB3-Rotel RB890-B&W Matrix 805 SB3-Pioneer VSX-49TXi-Mirage OM7+C2+R2 Eric Carroll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9293 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32238 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: low volume
What is your system setup & connections (preamp, power amp, integrated receiver, etc)? -- Eric Carroll Transporter-Bryston 3B SST-Paradigm Reference Studio 60 v.4 SB3-Rotel RB890-B&W Matrix 805 SB3-Pioneer VSX-49TXi-Mirage OM7+C2+R2 Eric Carroll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9293 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32271 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Need User Data to Diagnose GUI Stall Problem
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32238 Question: Do you have a intermittent SB GUI pause for 8-30 sec? - Yes, my wireless SB will intermittently pause for 8-30sec. - Yes my wired SB will intermittently pause for 8-30sec. - No, my SB GUI does not pause. Here is another stall caught in the act: 2007-01-30 20:04:18.4359 Request Task >.5 : 10.04196 Execute: Slim::Control::Queries::statusQuery 2007-01-30 20:04:19.3645 Select Task >.5 : 10.97848 Plugins::CLI::client_socket_read 2007-01-30 20:04:19.3784 Timer Late >.5 : 1.10854 2007-01-30 20:04:19.5824 Response Time>.5 : 1.20248 2007-01-30 20:04:19.5896 Timer Late >.5 : 0.73874 2007-01-30 20:04:19.6251 Timer Late >.5 : 0.62413 2007-01-30 20:04:19.6945 Timer Late >.5 : 0.52184 2007-01-30 20:04:19.8325 Timer Late >.5 : 0.62946 2007-01-30 20:04:23.5056 Request Task >.5 : 4.10357Notify: Slim::Player::Playlist::modifyPlaylistCallback 2007-01-30 20:04:29.7195 Timer Late >.5 : 0.52655 2007-01-30 20:04:30.8530 Timer Late >.5 : 0.55956 2007-01-30 20:04:34.3122 Request Task >.5 : 10.47741 Execute: Slim::Control::Queries::statusQuery 2007-01-30 20:04:35.2147 Select Task >.5 : 11.38756 Plugins::CLI::client_socket_read 2007-01-30 20:04:35.2285 Timer Late >.5 : 1.05583 2007-01-30 20:04:35.3361 Response Time>.5 : 1.05319 2007-01-30 20:04:35.3894 Timer Late >.5 : 1.12054 2007-01-30 20:04:35.6392 Timer Late >.5 : 0.93345 2007-01-30 20:04:41.6521 Request Task >.5 : 5.94297 Execute: Slim::Control::Queries::statusQuery 2007-01-30 20:04:42.4148 Response Time>.5 : 0.78691 2007-01-30 20:04:42.4439 Timer Late >.5 : 0.65377 2007-01-30 20:04:42.5976 Timer Late >.5 : 0.61906 2007-01-30 20:04:42.7650 Timer Late >.5 : 0.59238 2007-01-30 20:04:50.5606 Request Task >.5 : 8.36437 Execute: Slim::Control::Queries::statusQuery 2007-01-30 20:04:51.4640 Select Task >.5 : 15.76333 Plugins::CLI::client_socket_read 2007-01-30 20:04:51.4779 Timer Late >.5 : 0.91096 2007-01-30 20:04:51.4890 IR Delay >.5 : 13.63433 -- Eric Carroll Transporter-Bryston 3B SST-Paradigm Reference Studio 60 v.4 SB3-Rotel RB890-B&W Matrix 805 SB3-Pioneer VSX-49TXi-Mirage OM7+C2+R2 Eric Carroll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9293 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32238 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Need User Data to Diagnose GUI Stall Problem
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32238 Question: Do you have a intermittent SB GUI pause for 8-30 sec? - Yes, my wireless SB will intermittently pause for 8-30sec. - Yes my wired SB will intermittently pause for 8-30sec. - No, my SB GUI does not pause. Ron Olsen;175994 Wrote: > If you really believe the basic SlimServer software is at fault, you > have to eliminate any possible effects from third-party software in > your tests. > All I have enabled are: CLI Date and Time Screensaver Visual Screensaver Digital Inputs Lazy Music Search Network Test Random Mix Rescan Music Library Save Playlist Visualizer Screensaver That's it. What's even weirder, I have the following performance alarms when I am not even using an SB3/Tp at all (and unsolicitied tracebacks): 2007-01-30 21:23:29.6780 Timer Task >.5 : 3.67679 Slim::Utils::Cache::cleanup 2007-01-30 21:23:29.6881 Response Time>.5 : 3.68727 2007-01-30 21:23:29.6955 Timer Late >.5 : 3.27285 2007-01-30 21:23:29.7092 Timer Late >.5 : 3.26647 2007-01-30 21:23:29.7229 Timer Late >.5 : 3.26018 2007-01-30 21:23:29.7354 Timer Late >.5 : 2.68836 2007-01-30 21:23:29.7496 Timer Late >.5 : 2.37595 2007-01-30 21:23:48.3435 Select Task >.5 : 15.87832 Slim::Networking::Async::HTTP::_http_read_body 2007-01-30 21:23:48.3616 Timer Late >.5 : 15.61960 2007-01-30 21:23:48.3956 Response Time>.5 : 15.93090 2007-01-30 21:23:48.4029 Timer Late >.5 : 15.65363 2007-01-30 21:23:48.4164 Timer Late >.5 : 15.65974 2007-01-30 21:23:48.4301 Timer Late >.5 : 15.66573 2007-01-30 21:23:48.4425 Timer Late >.5 : 14.20052 2007-01-30 21:23:48.4514 Timer Late >.5 : 13.45046 2007-01-30 21:38:48.2803 Select Task >.5 : 15.87050 Slim::Networking::Async::HTTP::_http_read_body 2007-01-30 21:38:48.2984 Timer Late >.5 : 15.54569 2007-01-30 21:38:48.3326 Response Time>.5 : 15.92325 2007-01-30 21:38:48.3399 Timer Late >.5 : 15.33890 2007-01-30 21:38:48.3746 Timer Late >.5 : 15.15982 2007-01-30 21:38:48.4360 Timer Late >.5 : 15.20399 2007-01-30 21:38:48.4499 Timer Late >.5 : 15.20006 2007-01-30 21:38:48.4623 Timer Late >.5 : 14.20960 2007-01-30 21:53:48.3753 Select Task >.5 : 15.89625 Slim::Networking::Async::HTTP::_http_read_body 2007-01-30 21:53:48.3936 Timer Late >.5 : 15.63090 2007-01-30 21:53:48.4277 Response Time>.5 : 15.94906 2007-01-30 21:53:48.4535 Timer Late >.5 : 15.45251 2007-01-30 21:53:48.5917 Timer Late >.5 : 15.54888 2007-01-30 21:53:48.6804 Timer Late >.5 : 15.50254 2007-01-30 21:53:48.6942 Timer Late >.5 : 15.49962 2007-01-30 21:53:48.7068 Timer Late >.5 : 14.44415 2007-01-30 21:59:43.1440 Backtrace: frame 0: Slim::Player::Source::errorOpening (/usr/share/slimserver/Slim/Player/Squeezebox2.pm line 579) frame 1: Slim::Player::Squeezebox2::failedDirectStream (/usr/share/slimserver/Slim/Networking/Slimproto.pm line 527) frame 2: Slim::Networking::Slimproto::_disco_handler (/usr/share/slimserver/Slim/Networking/Slimproto.pm line 387) frame 3: Slim::Networking::Slimproto::client_readable (/usr/share/slimserver/Slim/Networking/Select.pm line 238) frame 4: Slim::Networking::Select::select (/usr/share/slimserver/slimserver.pl line 492) frame 5: main::idle (/usr/share/slimserver/slimserver.pl line 445) frame 6: main::main (/usr/share/slimserver/slimserver.pl line 1074) 2007-01-30 21:59:43.3196 Backtrace: frame 0: Slim::Player::Source::errorOpening (/usr/share/slimserver/Slim/Player/Squeezebox2.pm line 579) frame 1: Slim::Player::Squeezebox2::failedDirectStream (/usr/share/slimserver/Slim/Networking/Slimproto.pm line 527) frame 2: Slim::Networking::Slimproto::_disco_handler (/usr/share/slimserver/Slim/Networking/Slimproto.pm line 387) frame 3: Slim::Networking::Slimproto::client_readable (/usr/share/slimserver/Slim/Networking/Select.pm line 238) frame 4: Slim::Networking::Select::select (/usr/share/slimserver/slimserver.pl line 492) frame 5: main::idle (/usr/share/slimserver/slimserver.pl line 445) frame 6: main::main (/usr/share/slimserver/slimserver.pl line 1074) -- Eric Carroll Transporter-Bryston 3B SST-Paradigm Reference Studio 60 v.4 SB3-Rotel RB890-B&W Matrix 805 SB3-Pioneer VSX-49TXi-Mirage OM7+C2+R2 Eric Carroll's Profile:
[slim] Next product I want from SD er Logitech: SqueezeVideo
Ok, the next product I want from Logitech streaming media division formerly known as SlimDevices is... SqueezeVideo. Ethernet/Wireless in. HDMI 1.3 video out. - component/svideo analog video out? SPDIF/2ch analog audio out - maybe 5.1 analog out? High Bit Rate codec passthrough Good DAC if analog audio outs. Use the latest Sigma Designs SoC that does all latest formats including H.264 Tight integration with SqueezeCenter. NO BUILT-IN GUI on the box!!! Let the Squeeze remote do the job of running the GUI and SqueezeCenter generate it. Its sole function is to select files and play them. Let someone else do the recording just like Squeezeboxen let other systems ready the content. And, MOST IMPORTANTLY, API to allow PVRs or any other software to integrate to it for driving playback via IP interface just like on Squeezebox. For reasons I can't fathom all the current video players coming out are all monolithic GUI/Players with no API for integration. I appreciate that Sigma wants its driver code help proprietary, but there is no reason not to build an IP interface to permit commands to be given to the block of code doing the playback. -- Eric Carroll Transporter-Pass Labs X2.5-Bel Canto Evo6 Gen II-Paradigm Signature S8 SB3-Bryston 3B SST-Paradigm Reference Studio 60 v.4 SB3-Kingrex T20-Paradigm Reference Studio 20 v.4 Eric Carroll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9293 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=62047 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Who has change privs on WIKI home page?
I would like to have an "advanced guide" link after the "beginners guide" on the wiki home page. I would like to see a page on ripping/playback of non-redbook material. To that end, I copied some instructions for AC3 DVD ripping out of the forum into the wiki and noticed there is no decent place to link it. How about the advanced user guide for undocumented remote functions? I have found a number in the threads etc. Who do I call to get this created? :-) -- Eric Carroll Transporter-Bryston 3B SST-Paradigm Reference Studio 60 v.4 SB3-Rotel RB890-B&W Matrix 805 SB3-Pioneer VSX-49TXi-Mirage OM7+C2+R2 Eric Carroll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9293 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32280 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Who has change privs on WIKI home page?
Great, thanks! -- Eric Carroll Transporter-Bryston 3B SST-Paradigm Reference Studio 60 v.4 SB3-Rotel RB890-B&W Matrix 805 SB3-Pioneer VSX-49TXi-Mirage OM7+C2+R2 Eric Carroll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9293 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32280 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Need User Data to Diagnose GUI Stall Problem
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32238 Question: Do you have a intermittent SB GUI pause for 8-30 sec? - Yes, my wireless SB will intermittently pause for 8-30sec. - Yes my wired SB will intermittently pause for 8-30sec. - No, my SB GUI does not pause. Triode;176191 Wrote: > Do you have disks on the NAS which spin down? If so may be related to > waiting for these to spin up? > No, I have no disks spun down or waiting to spin up. > > Can you confirm if this is 6.5.1? This is Infrant's release of 6.5.1, but *not* the final 6.5.1 release. I understand this was due to the timing of the release of Infrant release v3.01.c1-p4 which has the early 6.5.1 in it. > Could you turn on asyc http debugging go to server debugging page to > turn on. [--d_http_asyn if you turn on debugging from the command line] > This is not obvious, I don't have access to the internals without hackery I am not willing to perform (the NAS is my backup system). I could try installing it on my PC and see if I can replicate the problem. Alternatively I can see if Infrant will give me a way to turn it on. > > Do you have access to the perl to change it > I don't have Infrant's specific code if it is different. I have downloaded a previous version of SS to start the process of getting up to speed on it. I am starting cold on SS but would be happy to help if required (with some guidance, internals documentation is, um, lacking). I am sure Infrant would integrate the change once we figure it out and commit it to the repository. I will see what Infrant has to say. I doubt this issue is Infrant specific based on the postings I have seen. As best as I understand they just use the standard SD build tree. As a next step, I will focus on getting debugging enabled on the NAS or replicate it on my PC. You have been extremely helpful, thank you. If you have more places to look, please let me know. -- Eric Carroll Transporter-Bryston 3B SST-Paradigm Reference Studio 60 v.4 SB3-Rotel RB890-B&W Matrix 805 SB3-Pioneer VSX-49TXi-Mirage OM7+C2+R2 Eric Carroll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9293 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32238 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Need User Data to Diagnose GUI Stall Problem
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32238 Question: Do you have a intermittent SB GUI pause for 8-30 sec? - Yes, my wireless SB will intermittently pause for 8-30sec. - Yes my wired SB will intermittently pause for 8-30sec. - No, my SB GUI does not pause. Here is additional testing I have performed. Originally, I had SuperDateTime screensaver enabled with both weather and underground weather fetches on a 15 minute basis. I turned off the SuperDateTime plugin. Still saw activity in the performance alarms. So, I turned SuperDateTime back on, cleared the underground weather fetch, and set the regular retrieval to 45 minutes. Now, like clockwork, I have one performance alarm spaced 45 minutes apart on http get. This must be the weather http get. Originally I ended up having 4x2 fetches per hour, or one every 7 minutes or so. This definately explains the symptoms I was seeing. So I think we are closing in on the root cause here. Right now, with weather fetching at 45 minutes, the UI is much more responsive. Stalls are not nearly on the same frequency, for nearly as long. I get some little stalls and see corresponding alarms in the performance page, but one thing at a time. An example of the 45 minute http get: 2007-01-31 14:54:00.5725 Select Task >.5 : 15.90743 Slim::Networking::Async::HTTP::_http_read_body 2007-01-31 14:54:00.5947 Timer Late >.5 : 15.80381 2007-01-31 14:54:00.6075 Response Time>.5 : 15.94287 2007-01-31 14:54:00.6158 Timer Late >.5 : 15.80647 2007-01-31 14:54:00.6492 Timer Late >.5 : 15.72846 2007-01-31 14:54:00.6598 Timer Late >.5 : 15.16028 2007-01-31 14:54:00.6735 Timer Late >.5 : 15.15737 2007-01-31 14:54:00.6882 Timer Late >.5 : 11.68723 -- Eric Carroll Transporter-Bryston 3B SST-Paradigm Reference Studio 60 v.4 SB3-Rotel RB890-B&W Matrix 805 SB3-Pioneer VSX-49TXi-Mirage OM7+C2+R2 Eric Carroll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9293 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32238 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Need User Data to Diagnose GUI Stall Problem
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32238 Question: Do you have a intermittent SB GUI pause for 8-30 sec? - Yes, my wireless SB will intermittently pause for 8-30sec. - Yes my wired SB will intermittently pause for 8-30sec. - No, my SB GUI does not pause. I am not sure I understand what you are suggesting here. Are you saying that since the time to complete to the debug is about 2 seconds, the balance of the time is in the callback, which is in the plugin (specifically SuperDateTime Screensaver)? Can I debug that callback time to confirm? I guess i could try it on the PC and put another debug in there before the return... -- Eric Carroll Transporter-Bryston 3B SST-Paradigm Reference Studio 60 v.4 SB3-Rotel RB890-B&W Matrix 805 SB3-Pioneer VSX-49TXi-Mirage OM7+C2+R2 Eric Carroll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9293 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32238 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Need User Data to Diagnose GUI Stall Problem
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32238 Question: Do you have a intermittent SB GUI pause for 8-30 sec? - Yes, my wireless SB will intermittently pause for 8-30sec. - Yes my wired SB will intermittently pause for 8-30sec. - No, my SB GUI does not pause. Thank you very much for all your guidance in looking at this. Now the really hard question. Any plans to thread SS for version 7? Would another pair of hands make it more likely to happen? -- Eric Carroll Transporter-Bryston 3B SST-Paradigm Reference Studio 60 v.4 SB3-Rotel RB890-B&W Matrix 805 SB3-Pioneer VSX-49TXi-Mirage OM7+C2+R2 Eric Carroll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9293 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32238 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Need User Data to Diagnose GUI Stall Problem
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32238 Question: Do you have a intermittent SB GUI pause for 8-30 sec? - Yes, my wireless SB will intermittently pause for 8-30sec. - Yes my wired SB will intermittently pause for 8-30sec. - No, my SB GUI does not pause. Triode;176288 Wrote: > Which version of SuperDateTime are you using? Infrant's plugin package for 6.5.1 (not final) contains SuperDateTime v5.0.0b4. I see the current rev is 5.0.4. Not sure if that is significant or not. I looked at the code. While I admit my perl is a bit rusty, I just don't see 15 seconds of CPU time there. I do see a d_plugins, so let me try enabling that. -- Eric Carroll Transporter-Bryston 3B SST-Paradigm Reference Studio 60 v.4 SB3-Rotel RB890-B&W Matrix 805 SB3-Pioneer VSX-49TXi-Mirage OM7+C2+R2 Eric Carroll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9293 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32238 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Need User Data to Diagnose GUI Stall Problem
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32238 Question: Do you have a intermittent SB GUI pause for 8-30 sec? - Yes, my wireless SB will intermittently pause for 8-30sec. - Yes my wired SB will intermittently pause for 8-30sec. - No, my SB GUI does not pause. Ron Olsen;176328 Wrote: > Eric, > > Glad you identified the source of the problem. With the weather plugin > disabled, are you still having perfomance issues? > > I use the National Weather Service forecast at > http://www.nws.noaa.gov/. It may not be as convenient as having the > information on the Squeezebox display, but there are no performance > impacts. My wife is a weather hound. Weather on the SB3 was a key selling point. WAF - need I say more? I have turned off the underground weather, cutting the http_gets in half. I have set the http_get time to 45 minutes. Performance is massively improved. But it still doesn't explain 15 clock seconds in the callback. I would like to fix this... I guess this gets to be my first SS project... Couldn't have done it without Triode. He gets the thanks for localizing the problem. I just collected the data. -- Eric Carroll Transporter-Bryston 3B SST-Paradigm Reference Studio 60 v.4 SB3-Rotel RB890-B&W Matrix 805 SB3-Pioneer VSX-49TXi-Mirage OM7+C2+R2 Eric Carroll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9293 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32238 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Not an SB3...
steve4586;187515 Wrote: > My existing Bose Wave radio does accept aux inputs, but it seems a > hassle having two devices to send to sleep and two devices to wake up > at set times. > > Squeezeblaster seems like a good idea, but I would not trust myself > with a mod like that!! > My journey with the SB3 and Transporter started with my desire to get my CD collection onto my Bose WAVE Radio. There is no way to trigger the AUX function as part of an alarm that I could find. I settled on turning on the Waveradio to AUX when I went to bed and left it like that, with an alarm on the SB3, so the WaveRadio was left on all night. I investigated the blaster, but did not go through with it. While the waveradio is adequate for FM listening (I never really used the built in CD player), as I compared it to my other SB3 and Transporter on Real Speakers, I became dissatisfied. I realized the Bose had no stereo effect by design, was pretty muddy, boomy bass and overly bright at the same time, and to top it all off, had a nasty background noise level on the AUX position that bothered me at night. I eventually decommissioned the old stereo system bookshelf speakers (BW Matrix) and recommissioned them as alarm clock speakers with a power amp directly connected to the SB3. What an improvement! Overkill I know. But I gave the WR to my wife who uses the alarm function to wake up to AM radio.... -- Eric Carroll Transporter-Bryston 3B SST-Paradigm Reference Studio 60 v.4 SB3-Rotel RB890-B&W Matrix 805 SB3-Pioneer VSX-49TXi-Mirage OM7+C2+R2 ReadyNAS NV+ Eric Carroll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9293 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33559 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Transporter broken?
My transporter failed after about four weeks of operation. SD would not ship me a new one. I had to return the failed unit to the US for repair (at my cost to ship transborder even though it was purchased in Canada). The 5V power supply failed and the fuse blew. The 5V power supply was replaced. This is according to SD tech support. I didn't get any answer to whether I got the same PS version as before, or a new one. SD did ship it back to me using the same method I used to send it (expedited in my case), which was nice. Its the only complaint I have had with it to date. -- Eric Carroll Transporter-Bryston 3B SST-Paradigm Reference Studio 60 v.4 SB3-Rotel RB890-B&W Matrix 805 SB3-Pioneer VSX-49TXi-Mirage OM7+C2+R2 ReadyNAS NV+ Eric Carroll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9293 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29777 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Shipping to Canada
325xi;196228 Wrote: > I found it's cheaper to get it locally, got it from shopRBC.com I agree. I bought my SB3s and Transporter from shopRBC. They have great service and good prices. Watch out for UPS brokerage fees. I got slaughtered on importing a simple DRAM stick for my NV+. UPS has a nasty border clearance fee that can be a very high percentage of the cost of the actual purchase. -- Eric Carroll Transporter-Bryston 3B SST-Paradigm Reference Studio 60 v.4 SB3-Rotel RB890-B&W Matrix 805 SB3-Pioneer VSX-49TXi-Mirage OM7+C2+R2 ReadyNAS NV+ Eric Carroll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9293 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34618 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How's this for a small SlimServer?
SteveEast;196307 Wrote: > Just when I've got my nano-ITX system running... Steve, What did you use for a case? I am interested in building a very very small SlimServer to offload my NV+ and do other stuff. -- Eric Carroll Transporter-Bryston 3B SST-Paradigm Reference Studio 60 v.4 SB3-Rotel RB890-B&W Matrix 805 SB3-Pioneer VSX-49TXi-Mirage OM7+C2+R2 ReadyNAS NV+ Eric Carroll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9293 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34629 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Shipping to Canada
Upgradealways;196601 Wrote: > I chose UPS Canada Express (the only way to go if you use UPS). I have never seen this service before. Thanks for the reference. -- Eric Carroll Transporter-Bryston 3B SST-Paradigm Reference Studio 60 v.4 SB3-Rotel RB890-B&W Matrix 805 SB3-Pioneer VSX-49TXi-Mirage OM7+C2+R2 ReadyNAS NV+ Eric Carroll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9293 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34618 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
