Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream Music Platform
toby10 wrote: > How would this be solved if it was free? Why do you feel entitled to > others investment in time & money for products and services at no > charge? > What are you offering for free? Cuz whatever it is I'll take ten of > them. Need my address? I have 10 squeezzboxes at home. the price of the devices included a piece of software that did the work and that i use to run at no extra charge. I never asked you to invest your time & money but in the end, YOU are going to force me to pay for something that used to be free before. logitech was already able to fire the dev. team because there is a 'community' outthere who's ready/willing to take-over. By 'offering' a so called replacement to LMS+backend, you enable Logitech to drop its support entirely and shutdown the backend. Why would Logitech host you on this forum (that they own) if it wasn't in their interest that a handfull of people takes-over their piece of code and the obligation that goes with it ? You're giving them a nice way to pull the plug, drop the productline support and save costs. The next logical step is that the 'commnity' tells me to compensate for those savings Logitech will make ? Again, I never asked you to invest your time & money but in the end, YOU are going to force me to pay for something that used to be free before reniera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream Music Platform
erland wrote: > The protocols used for remote control and playback doesn't rely on the > cloud, the reason to handle registration and some account management in > the cloud is more related to being able to create a better user > experience. Better experience ?!? Really ? I guess this really means enabling you to eventually charge us fees for the use of the system, plugins, etc... Erland, We know that you have converted your free plugins to commercial ones overnight in the past, so I think I'll think twice betting on this new platform. My bet is that the real goal is to turn it to a money machine once enough people are trapped into it. Sorry but I'm from the old tape, cd, dvd generation : i buy music and equipment and i want noone to knock at the door later and claim fees for using the equipment. I want no licence to manage, I don't want to register or manage password. I don't want to be trapped once again when you'll pull the plug after you realise that your central infra costs too much or when you move to something else. I don't want to be obliged to create a facebook id to log in your site when you decide to follow spotify's path. I want you to respect my privacy and don't want you to track what I listen to because you know that this data has some value on the market. reniera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] No competition for Sonos! :-(
try deinstalling trackstat reniera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97440 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Squeezebox: The Name Vote (Round 1)
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98148 Question: What should we call this new device? - Vuvuzela - OpEncore - Melodia - Zela - Brikk - FLÄKK - Open Music Box don't like any of them. i suggest instead : squeezeback (it has almost zero match on google - that is important too) reniera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98148 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] [iPeng Announce] Easier to share, lower price (iPhone)
pippin wrote: > OK, what exactly is complicated? > ALL you need to do is enable iCloud on your iTingies. Done. No need to > buy anything, restore anything or whatever. That's what the post says. > > OK, you may have to wait a few minutes, too, iCloud isn't always fast. > > If that's already too complicated, then I don't know. > > Oh, and actually BUYING it again has always been simple: just buy it. > Done. But if i activate icloud (let's assume i'm not paranoiac about giving apple access to all my stuffs), it copies my music on all devices already, so why would i need playback then ? reniera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95791 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] [iPeng Announce] Easier to share, lower price (iPhone)
pippin wrote: > It's not a plugin but an iOS App. Exact, i corrected that. I have ipeng for ipod with playback. I have ipeng for ipad and would have bought playback for that one too. The fact is that after reading your post with icloud enablement, restoring features on devices, ...i prefer to run away. Sorry, too complicated for me. reniera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95791 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] [iPeng Announce] Easier to share, lower price (iPhone)
garym wrote: > Then don't buy it (or any extra you don't want or like) or write your > own. Your complaint makes no sense??? I bougth them already. 2 License changes ago, if I remember well. You see, your post makes no sense too. If you don't like my posts, then don't read them. reniera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95791 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] [iPeng Announce] Easier to share, lower price (iPhone)
In a separate thread, i was explaining that licensing of plugin is over-engineered and this is an other example (although in the case of ipeng, i find the pluging very valuable for a reasonable price). When one need one page to explain how to purchase an addon to a plugin ( while the base software packag is free ), well, i believe this might be unneededly complicated... reniera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95791 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What is missing from your Squeezebox experience ?
My experience with squeezebox degraded when you Erland decided your plugins (and the ones of sugarcube) become commercial and payable. Thanks to that change, i then realised lms is in fact very stable with no 3P plugins, thank you and that i can recover a lot of free time by sticking to the official (stable) version with no tweaking/plugins. Lms Alone does what it's supposed to do and does it very well. As already explained, i'd love track rating, user profiles and an improvement/replacement of musicip to be integrated by Logitech in the core product. I really wonder what is the sense and motivation of your post and why this initiative comes from you and not from Logitech. reniera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94987 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to unsubscribe ?
Michael Herger wrote: > > I think you talk about something else. I want to unsubscribe from > > mailman : http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio > > I filed a ticket with our IT. They'll hopefully sort this out soon. > > -- > > Michael Tx, it works now. I could unsubscribe. reniera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94788 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to unsubscribe ?
I think you talk about something else. I want to unsubscribe from mailman : http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio reniera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94788 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] make suggestions about the new forum appearance
Michael Herger wrote: > > I seriously meant : why change the skin of the forum ? > > Ask the guys over at vbulletin.com. > > -- > > Michael Ok, so Logitech doesn't control the look and feel of its own web site ? Lol... Also, why do you show as 'guest' ? reniera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94513 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] make suggestions about the new forum appearance
Michael Herger wrote: > > I agree. Previous forum was perfect. Why change ? > > Because nothing's perfect. The previous forum was running a buggy > version > of an outdated software. Something you must not do on a public web > server. > > -- > > Michael I seriously meant : why change the skin of the forum ? reniera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94513 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] make suggestions about the new forum appearance
I agree. Previous forum was perfect. Why change ? reniera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94513 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech Airplay Speaker
DITC101;690206 Wrote: > I am always wondering why Logitech doesn't offer a speaker only product > like the Sonos Play 3/5. > Currently I am looking for something small for my bedroom. The Boom is > EOL, the Radio is too small and the display isn't really readable from > 3m away. Too small ? Personally, i find the radio the perfect speaker for a bedroom. I suggest you try it. Every 5 bedrooms at home have a radio. Kids love it. Get it on amazon an return it for free if really you don't like it. -- reniera reniera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93207 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Google is developing wireless music system
DaveWr;689979 Wrote: > > > Logitech don't really compete any more - in the UK shops are full of > Sonos displays where there used to be Slim Devices! Logitech thinks > you sell entertainment products through computer bits resellers. The main issue with squeezebox is the lack of integrated server when sonos works out of the box. That's why shops sell it as internet radio. Unless you use online music services only, squeezebox is a product for techies. -- reniera reniera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93538 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] That brief feeling of hope...
robotron2;686046 Wrote: > Thanks, it does seem like plugins are the root of all of my problems I confirm that since i got rid of trackstat, my system is very stable, responsive and faster. No more freeze. Sugarcube works fine. -- reniera reniera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93199 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Revue update
Perhaps it would have been a better idea for logitech to run squeezeboxserver on the revue. -- reniera reniera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91418 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Feature Request - History
erland;667918 Wrote: > Besides peterw's excellent PlayLog plugin there is also TrackStat > plugin, but TrackStat currently only logs locally stored tracks, not > streaming services and not Internet radio stations. PlayLog logs both > local tracks, streaming services and internet radio stations. And trackstat is commercial so not an option anymore for some of us. Sorry Erland, i explained my position that such basic features as rating, history, stats should be included the core product. -- reniera reniera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91403 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] I don't want to pay for trackstat !
erland;666270 Wrote: > Try restarting Radio/Touch, I've sometimes seen issues like this where > menus aren't updated until they have been restarted. OK it works. Thanks Erland -- reniera reniera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] I don't want to pay for trackstat !
How can I remove the trackstat menu on radio and touch ? Even if I deinstall the plugin, the entry in the menu's still there. If I select the menu entry, it loops for ever. -- reniera reniera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] I don't want to pay for trackstat !
briank;665541 Wrote: > -1 > > I disagree. Erland's excellent plugins provide the tools to create the > (IMHO) close-to-ultimate smart music selection system (short of > actually determining your taste by reading your mind or using the "if > you liked X then you'll probably like Y because other people who liked > X like Y" Spotify-type shared rating model). > > I have written a simple SQL playlist (using his plugins) that randomly > plays songs but unrated songs are played most frequently, 5 star songs > next most frequently, 4 star next, etc. 1 star songs are never played. > For me, this is the perfect system: > > - no decision to make when you want to listen to music > - new (i.e. unrated) and more favoured songs are played more > frequently > - you can always "rediscover" any songs (except those banished to 1 > star oblivion) and re-rate them if you want > > This is why I have donated for Erland's plugins in the past but, I have > to admit, probably not enough considering I that almost all my listening > is via this playlist :( Briank, Did you try the excellent sugarcube plugin ? In the past, I used it together with trackstat to block unwanted (rated 1) tracks but I realize that removing trackstat doesn't change anything. Very few rated 1 goes thru anyhow. Sugarcube realy adds values and great value for money. -- reniera reniera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] I don't want to pay for trackstat !
castalla;664663 Wrote: > A bit off topic - but it all seems a bit of a storm in a teacup. What > real world use is a track rating system anyway - it's sort of like OCD > trainspotting in my book. If I rate a track as rubbish, borderline, > uninteresting, then I just dump it. I also recognise what are '5 star' > albums, tracks, etc. without the need for a statistic. I suppose if you > have 1000s of tracks then you might need some rating system - but then > how often are you going to actually listen to 1 or 2 star tracks > anyway? > > Seems a rather esoteric feature to be part of the core system. I'd > rather Logitech spent their time and resources developing a usable > equaliser plugin. > > Just my 2 eurocents worth. Sometime, I like to let it play the tracks I like (and only those). Sometime, I want to let a friend discover what i listen the most. Sorry, I have no memory for track/album names, it's just a convenient way for me to find what I like. Also, I use rating 1/5 to tag tracks I don't like at all and time to time, I physically move the files away (I don't like to delete). -- reniera reniera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] I don't want to pay for trackstat !
callesoroe;664649 Wrote: > These plugins really makes the Squeezebox product much much better. And > as Logitech sadly enough do not see the value of this, then we users > must do it. I also appreciate what Erland does (and I don't dispute the fact that he can ask money for FUTURE versions - I think everyone says the same thing here) but I can't agree that Trackstat makes the squeezebox product so much much better. In the end, Trackstat is a poorly integrated patch on a product that should have had that feature from the early beginning. Rating is not even integrated in the WebUI. You have to use iPeng in order to easily rate tracks. When Musicbrainz changed their database structure a couple of months ago, I lost all my ratings. Not that long ago, rescan would freeeze because of trackstat. 7.7 also has issues with database concurrent access of trackstat. It's definitely an (appreciated) add-on that Logitech couldn't care less about and it creates a lot of technical problems at every version upgrade (= reason why Erland has so much trouble maintainning his plugins). Months ago, I said that Logitech should take erland on their payroll (i.e. to recognise the support he gave during the 7.6 migration). Is it because Logitech doesn't care about improving their product that I should pay a 3rd party to improve it ?I don't think so. Because rating/stats are not native, Erland created trackstat. Because of the need to maintain it, Erland invented licence manager. Next steps is that we have to pay for license manager ? Or perhaps, the access to this forum will billable ? (after all, you spend a lot of time supporting others here) ? -- reniera reniera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] I don't want to pay for trackstat !
cunobelinus;664491 Wrote: > +1. Perfect summary. > > > On 20 Oct 2011, at 14:39, Phil Leigh wrote: > > > > > > Just to be clear, I have no issue with Erland choosing to charge > people > > for his work going forward - that is his inalienable right. However, > > nobody SHOULD provide anything - under licence or under contract - > for > > free or for a price - and then disable it or disable it until a fee > is > > paid... UNLESS it was spelled out at the time of supply (i.e. as a > > Licence/contract term) that this could or would happen. > > > > I'm not saying anyone should or even could sue anyone - that's just > > silly. I was talking about the general case of retrospective > > modification of contract or license terms which is normally something > > only Governments can do with impunity... !! > > Exactly, +1 A resolution to this would be Logitech take a couple of hours to integrate a copy of trackstat in the original product. -- reniera reniera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] I don't want to pay for trackstat !
mherger;664438 Wrote: > > Well, I've just tried to use my long-standing, pre-existing > installation > > of "Multi-Library", which I was not aware of upgrading, and it's > > demanding the licensing plug in. That appears to be retrospective > > charging, in that it disables an existing service and then demands > > payment without notice, and would therefore appear to be illegal > under > > EU law. > > You should sue Erland. Really. After offering his services for years he > > now wants to have a beer? This must be illegal. > > Guys, your postings are poor jokes. > > -- > > Michael Michael, are you from Logitech ? If you are not, fine, I respect your opinion and don't read further. If you are, I can tell you that you have no idea what such statement can create in term of bad feeling about a company and products that were once so desired. You seriously meant that we have to pay for fixing your product ? Realy, if you are from Logitech, you better be back to dev. work and add this basic code in 7.6.3 and close the discussion. -- reniera reniera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] I don't want to pay for trackstat !
GeeJay;664374 Wrote: > My plugins worked fine until I upgraded, several weeks after he > introduced License Manager and the new versions of his plug-ins. It was > clear to me that if I upgraded I would have to pay the fee, but as long > as I didn't I could still use the older version. > > I've been sending annual donations to Erland for awhile now, at an > amount that is consistent with what he's charging. I obviously believe > it's worth the price. Plugins got upgraded I guess because my setup is 'upgrade plugins automatically'. Erland would have been better inspired to create a new set of commercial plugins so there is no automatic update from the free ones. Also, given all the issues after the 7.6 migration, I have done more upgrades than usualy to correct i.e. issues between trackstat and 7.6! Perhaps your positive appreciation of the Erland plugins come that you are on squeeezebox from ealier versions. I started with 7.6 (on a plug) one year ago and I can tell you that I have had many problems with 7.6 (beta) and those plugins. My experience is therefore different as I have had only very short period of stability. It's only now, a couple of weeks after 7.6.2 that I can enjoy a stable system and it suddenly becomes commercial. -- reniera reniera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] I don't want to pay for trackstat !
aubuti;663930 Wrote: > Please don't forget that one person's "core feature" is another person's > "exotic plugin". I respect your opinion, but seriously, track rating and play count were present in all media players I used in the past (winamp, itunes, mediamonkey, Windows Media players, ipod, ipad). -- reniera reniera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] I don't want to pay for trackstat !
johnas;663914 Wrote: > You could pay for the one year licence which I guess is 5$. Maybe you > will think this is too much year over year but just saying there are > cheaper options (ironically Eland's payment system seems to be down at > the moment). Indeed but i have installed squeezebox things at two other places and don't want to enter a system where i'd have to go to every places every years. Damn ! I just realize i would have to pay 60 euros then for 3 servers ! Luckily, i had not installed more plugins from erlands around ! I guess i won't dare telling my sister and friend that they own me 20 euros each for the sound system i put at their places (especially after all the 7.6 problems) Is it charged by server ? Or by email adress ? Now, i'm even more concerned if i have to pay when i change the server. Realy, i want to stay out of that. -- reniera reniera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] I don't want to pay for trackstat !
cparker;663905 Wrote: > So you have a few options; > 1) Spend the $20 and buy some beer to drown your sorrows > 2) Value Erland's time and pay $20, job done > 3) Learn Perl yourself and write your own TrackStat, after you've spent > many hours/months of your own "free" time, then maybe that $20 doesnt > sound such bad value 4) stop spending my time using 3rd party plugins, waiting for core features to improve. -- reniera reniera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] I don't want to pay for trackstat !
exile;663874 Wrote: > bottom line in my opinion is that erland's plugins have completely > transformed my listening experience. so if erland now feels that in > order to keep these fantastic plugins going that he needs some modest > revenue then I think a modest charge is just fine. If people are too > cheap then it's their loss. Perhaps logitech would have felt obliged to develop those features if someone had not done the job for free... I truly hope that logitech now understand that they cannot rely anymore on 3rd parties to develop core functionnalities. Again track rating is a very basic features. Something you can't imagine paying on top. -- reniera reniera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] I don't want to pay for trackstat !
garym;663890 Wrote: > not a good comparison, as Microsoft charged you (or someone) a price to > purchase the program that created the WORD document. No one is using > WORD for free (at least not legally). Ok, correct, then say that i used openoffice ( free), and suddenly, it becomes commercial. My point here is that i have no way to recapture my ratings nor my play counts. -- reniera reniera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] I don't want to pay for trackstat !
garym;663750 Wrote: > Then don't buy it. Erland has provided a tremendous resource with his > plugins. But no one is forcing you to purchase them. The software is > always more expensive than the hardware. I have a few thousand invested > in my equipment, but easily over $50k in CDs and vinyl albums. > > Edit: and by investment I only mean for my own enjoyment, not any sort > of monetary return. I also invested a lot of time to rate my collection ... And have to pay to use it now. That's what i mean by taken in hostage. I would also be annoyed if musicbrainz asked me money tomorrow to read the tags i have encoded yesterday. Just like if microsoft ask me now to pay to open the word document i have created in the past. -- reniera reniera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] I don't want to pay for trackstat !
Today trackstat deactivated itself. After some research, i found out i'd have to install a license manager plugin and pay 20euros to reactivate it. Way too expensive considering that the radio costed me 105 euros on amazon. 5 euros, i would have been unhappy but i would have paid. 20euros, i just deinstalled all these plugins. At least i improve the reliability. I understand that developpers wants to be paid but i don't like that a free product becomes commercial overnight. I could understand that a new version of the plugin (with new features) becomes billable, but disabling a plugin that i was presented as free in the past makes me feel like taken in hostage. Also, trackstat is poorly integrated, i believe and is not worst that price. As a comparaison, Ipeng is really cool and costs (only) 8euros and there is a free alternative from logitech. Come on! Rating, play count should have been part of the core product from the beginning. How hard is it for logitech dev. to code this in the native database ? I mean, it's a piece a work, but quite nothing in comparaison of the whole product as it exists today. If only they weren't so busy with lms ... -- reniera reniera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] 30th anniversary celebration at Logitech
Funny, To celebrate their 30th anniversary of innovation, today, Logitech offers discount on audio stuffs with ... packaging defects (Pure-Fi Anywhere 2 White - Défauts d'emballages). That must be cultural, in some places, one wouldn't "offer" a refurbished gift. Or is it marketing innovation to convince people it's exceptional to get a 50% discount on a packaging defect ? Yesterday, it was the squeezebox duet (celebrating the cleanup of their warehouse ?) http://www.logitech.com/fr-be/special-offers?WT.mc_id=emea_email_30th-anniv_102011_be-fr -- reniera reniera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90835 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Scrolling problem with ipad
MeSue;652803 Wrote: > I assume you are referring to the Default WebUI of Squeezebox Server? > You can scroll inside the frames by using two fingers on the iPad. Same > goes for other web pages with frames or text inside text boxes. > > For the smaller screens of iPod and iPhone, I think an app is your best > bet. Great ! I didn't Know that. Many thanks. -- reniera reniera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89893 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Scrolling problem with ipad
It's impossible to scroll web pages when seen from an ipad /ipod / iphone so most pages are truncated. Is there a solution for that ? -- reniera reniera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89893 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Thanks to after sales support
I had one last unused touch purchased in US which I couldn't use because we now live in Europe and the plugs are differents. I contacted Logitech yesterday at 1pm and 24 hours later, I received by UPS a complimentary set of plates for the AC adapter. Thanks a lot ! Great service. -- reniera reniera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89661 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] My story of picking betamax...
froth;648747 Wrote: > With the changes at Logitec and some interesting developments I too am > questioning my decision to own Squeeze Box technology over Sonos. > > First I am a happy user of the technology, have been for a while now. > However I have been troubled by wifi network issues recently and while > I can manage them if I am around, the wife and children cannot. > > My wifi is becoming saturated with many laptops, computers, "i" devices > and squeeze boxes. I found that the past few weeks I was having music > stop playing intermittantly. I traced it down to the fact that a quest > had started using her iphone on my wifi. This was enough to put it over > the edge. She left for home and the issues went away. Just yesterday I > had the issue occur again. I found one of my children had a friend over > and they connected their itouch to the wifi. I had them disable it and > the problem went away Cant you create a separate wifi (new acces point, different lan ip subnet, different channel) just for your squeezebox = 100$ ? -- reniera reniera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89411 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The 7.6.0 is fine for me thread
7.6.1 has more or less always been fine for me (I use it for months) but I deplore that the 'auto turn on' issue isn't adressed yet. It's really annoying. It's also a pity that it took SO LONG to release 7.6. I hope 7.6 was an exception and that future releases will be better managed. -- reniera reniera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89393 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announce: Album Catalog Creator v3
SilverRS8;65 Wrote: > Whahaha I must have been sleeping. Will install it tonight and start > experimenting Really happy to read that, Thanks in advance -- reniera reniera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74452 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announce: Album Catalog Creator v3
SilverRS8;644437 Wrote: > I believe there should be an option in the settings to use MySQL instead > of SQlite. You must have an available MySQL instance somewhere to be > able to do so. In that case ACC should work. If not I'll look into it > when 7.6 is released. Regarding the release, if you look in the > developer threads, it is uncertain when and if it will be released. If > may be that SBS is replaced by LMS (Logitech Media Server). A lot of > SBS code will ofcourse be incorporated but I will wait for making ACC > compatible until things are more clear. > > Frank 7.6 IS released ! -- reniera reniera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74452 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Time for a speculation thread...
Muele;614844 Wrote: > > 4. Marketing. Sell the damn stuff. Its actually good products. > Afordable whole house audio ranging from cheap bathroom quality audio > to audiophile quality-gear. That is unique. But Logitech chooses to > just show a boring list of anonomous porducts on their website. > 5. If the Touch cannot support the server decently, sell a server. > Something like squeezeplug. Plug it in: network, usb-disk and power, > ready to go. Logitech-branded!! Easy way to point to a network share is > of course also mandatory, but it adds to the geekyness. Plug and play is > the way to go. Marketing : I have never seen a single squeezebox product in a shop in Belgium/France/Luxembourg. I have seen SONOS a couple of time tough but not so many because they were out of stock. Squeezebox, noone knows in the usual electronic/hifi/music shops. Perhaps there is a market to develop ... item 5. definitely true. I like Squeezebox but I would never recommend it to anyone because of the complexity to setup a server [that just works]. -- reniera reniera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85982 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] ARCHOS Unveils the ARNOVA Web Radio & TV
Sorry this had been posted somewhere else - wrong search. One can delete this thread. -- reniera reniera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85838 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Home automation ; how to trigger a clean Squeezebox server shutdown ?
pski;604827 Wrote: > Most UPS monitoring software provides for a controlled shutdown based-on > voltage to a serial port. I'm not sure how the same devices are signaled > via a usb port but I would assume a lack/presence of voltage does the > trick. > > p I have a ups on order to try this. Thanks -- reniera reniera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85017 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Home automation ; how to trigger a clean Squeezebox server shutdown ?
agillis;605391 Wrote: > Should be no problem to sens a command to a Linux box to go into sleep > mode. With VortexBox you could hit a URL to do it. Interresting. Can you say a bit more about this ? -- reniera reniera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85017 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Home automation ; how to trigger a clean Squeezebox server shutdown ?
Hi, I'd like to automate the shutdown of SB server: I have a magic button at home that turns off all lights when we go to sleep or when leaving home (=when I turn the alarm on). This is extremely handy because I stopped counting the times kids leave the light on. Turning the alarm on, also reduces temperature of central heating. For those who are interested, this is all managed with a PLC Crouzet Millenium XD26 so it's a bit smarter than cutting everything off : 1 push on the button turns external lights off, 2nd push turns lights off in peripheral rooms, 3rd and 4th push turns lights off in the all rooms. When turning the alarm on (=when leaving home), the sequence is automatic but at nigh, the external lights stays on for 5 minutes. When coming home (=when turning the alarm off) at night only, some lights go on automatically for some time. Imagination is the limit. It must be smart and transparent enough but eventually wife is happy. Kids are even more happy because now, they have an excuse for leaving everything on since they say it's all taken care of magically :( I still need to deal about that. I'd like to go one step further and also turn off some equipments that are unlikely to be used at home when we sleep or when we're out i.e. oven, hi-fi stuffs, adsl modem/wi-fi repeater/TV decoders, printers, PCs, VoIP phones, TVs, countless battery chargers, Nintendo, PS3, a PopcornHour C-200 on order, a Touch and two Radios, etc... that have pervasively entered our home. All together these stuffs takes at least 70W on a permanent basis when idle. This is the power that I need to maintain the jacuzzi at 36°C ! I tested that I can pull the plug of Touch; it always restarts OK (so far). My problem is to shutdown the SQ server nicely. It's a Dockstar/debian. Perhaps I'll go to vortexbox in a near future. Coming back to the QUESTION : How can I generate a clean shutdown based on a contact on a relay ? Also, I have battery packs in the two radios. Shutting power off is therefore useless because I consume power to charge the battery later. In the worst case, batteries are empty when I need them. So I'd like to initiate a clean shutdown of the Radios as well. Any magic mechanism that the server send a CLI command before shutting down ? Thanks for your ideas. -- reniera reniera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85017 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech simply cancelled my order
Logitech just offered me an even more aggressive discount on my purchase. I'm very happy with the way their support eventually sorted this out. -- reniera reniera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82886 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech simply cancelled my order
RESOLVED Logitech just offered me an even more aggressive discount on my purchase. I'm very happy with the way their support eventually sorted this out. -- reniera reniera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82886 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Logitech simply cancelled my order
I ordered a Touch, a duet, a radio and a battery on the Logitech web site with a promotion code gathered on Internet (SQB15). It all went OK and the -15% was applied on all products. I paid and my order was confirmed on the web site. A week after, I have no news and I can't see my order on Logitech's website. I call Logitech and they tell me that my order has been cancelled. As simple as that. Not even a single mail to me to tell me about the cancellation, nothing. It seems that there is a problem with the promotion code. That there would be some restrictions on the total amount of the order, ... So then, How could I get all the way thru the credit card payment screen then ? I had already noticed that there is something weird about Logitech promotion codes when I tried to order an Harmony years ago (actually it was returned because it just didn't support any of my devices even the most common ones). Logitech tells me that, of course I can make a new order but what's the chance for it to go thru better this time ? What about the promotion code that expired since then ? Actually, I had tried to order from Amazon.fr before but the shipment of the Touch to Belgium was restricted because it's a MP3 player (On the other hand, the Duet and Radio could be shipped. For Amazon, those are NOT mp3 players !?!). By the time Amazon sorts this restriction out, their -30 promotion code had also expired and there is nothing they can do about it ** Am I paranoiac or could it be possible that everytime I try to use a promotion code, the vendor finds a way to cancel it ? Are those promotion code real ? Or are they just to attrack attention ? That's now 6 weeks that I try to get those products. I ordered a Dockstar and Ipeng and a duet on ebay in-between. I spent days reading this forums to setup a squeezeplug (I like than, I'm a techy) and I spent night trying to resolv scan issues, connection lost problems; ... But now, I feel like I just spend too much time for something that is supposed to make my life happier. I still haven't listenned to the first mp3 thru a SQ appliance. I begin to think that perhaps I'll be the only one who can manage this setup at home...if I get it delivered to us eventually. I read everywhere that Sonos 'really works' and I now seriously consider getting it out of the shelves in Germany. But I wait for Logitech's help-desk answer before because I'm curious. Anybody experienced that before ? ** About Amazon, how can they announce a promotion in the limit of the existing stocks when they say there is only 3 items in stock ? During the 2 weeks, I discussed with Amazon, not a single unit was sold ! -- reniera reniera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82886 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Turn wireless off
Aubuti Thanks -- reniera reniera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82560 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Turn wireless off
aubuti;582007 Wrote: > First, not all SBs are Linux boxes. Only the Radio, Touch, and > Controller run Linux. So it depends on which Squeezebox model you're > talking about. For example, the SB2/SB3/Classic switch off the wifi > radio automatically when connected to ethernet, while some others > require specific edits to system files. So which SB(s) is/are you > talking about? Thanks I have touch radio and duet -- reniera reniera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82560 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Turn wireless off
I dont use wireless because most of my boxes are cabled. I'd like to turn wl off because i dont like being irradiated when not needed and because it may help cut power consumption down. Being linux boxes that must be possible somehow. Tx -- reniera reniera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82560 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] SqueezeCommander 0.9 for Android
Hello, I wonder what android to buy but I did it in a new threat in order not to interfere with this one. Perhaps you have ideas ? http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=579615#post579615 -- reniera reniera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=69352 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
