Re: [slim] (Vaguely) Audiophile alternative to Transporter and SB+?
adamslim wrote: > The Naim DAC V1 and the more recent Naim DAC both have async USB, so a > Pi plugged into them should be as good as a transport is possible to be. > They seem to go for sensible prices used. If I don't get any joy out of the SB+, Dac32 or Naim NDX then I'' give the Pi (or more probably the Touch) and the Naim Dac V1 a go. If that doesn't do it I'll consider a turntable, pretty likely decide against it and sell the lot. Currently I am still trying to get the right Naim pre-amp, amp and PSU. adamslim wrote: > > > adamslim wrote: > > Obviously it may be different from a CDX; Naim would probably say they > > are better...> > > Yes. I agree with DrMatt - the later gear seems to have lost the old > Naim magic and now sounds like all the other expensive stuff. Having > demoed a few of their speakers with their expensive stuff I'm saddened > how sterile they sound. Take care of your tongue. It is in a wet place and can easily slip. ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114226 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] (Vaguely) Audiophile alternative to Transporter and SB+?
ModelCitizen wrote: > I should probably answer this because my days of constantly swapping > out Dacs to find one that sounds half as good as a CDX are over and > I'm not going back there again. :-) The Naim DAC V1 and the more recent Naim DAC both have async USB, so a Pi plugged into them should be as good as a transport is possible to be. They seem to go for sensible prices used. Obviously it may be different from a CDX; Naim would probably say they are better... Own music plus Qobuz, PC with Squeezelite-X, JRiver as digital XO System 1: Lynx AES16, 5x SMSL DACs, various amps, 5 way horns System 2: Asus Xonar u7, Restek Sextet, JBL L300 3xBoom, 1xRadio adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114226 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] (Vaguely) Audiophile alternative to Transporter and SB+?
garym wrote: > Why not an rPi4B, feeding (via USB) any good quality DAC of your choice? I should probably answer this because my days of constantly swapping out Dacs to find one that sounds half as good as a CDX are over and I'm not going back there again. :-) Thanks for the help though! Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known Last.fm/user/ModelCitizen ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114226 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] (Vaguely) Audiophile alternative to Transporter and SB+?
drmatt wrote: > you just have to stop dancing long enough to listen for it. Perfect! drmatt wrote: > Other than that I have no reason to believe that any digital source is > any better than this. Even a Chromecast Audio - which has a dreadful > analogue output, makes a perfectly fine digital source. I have a number of Chromecast audios in my house and had absolutely no idea they had a digital out. :-( But now I know more than I ever wanted to: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/review-and-measurements-of-chromecast-audio-digital-output.4544/ Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known Last.fm/user/ModelCitizen ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114226 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] (Vaguely) Audiophile alternative to Transporter and SB+?
Personally I stockpiled SBTs on ebay so have a never ending supply of touchscreen bit-perfect digital sources to feed to whatever DAC takes my fancy. :) Right now it's a Mytek DSD192 (also scalped used from Ebay for a sensible price). Prior to that it was a Naim Supernait built-in DAC. I would agree that earlier Naim gear had a very different sound from most "hifi". I heard it described once as the "big mono" sound, it really drives the bass and produces a lively immediate sound, without emphasising the "detail" that actually -is- in there, you just have to stop dancing long enough to listen for it. Later Naim gear is moving more mainstream sounding in fact (which is why they're now winning awards..). On the "bit perfect" story above. Weirdly I discovered that the SBT won't output 66khz sampled audio. Crashes every time. No idea where that track came from, but there you are; I have to resample it to play it. Other than that I have no reason to believe that any digital source is any better than this. Even a Chromecast Audio - which has a dreadful analogue output, makes a perfectly fine digital source. -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114226 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] (Vaguely) Audiophile alternative to Transporter and SB+?
slartibartfast wrote: > So would you use them to replace the brass link if you weren't bi-wiring > your speakers? Wow! In that case they seem quite long. > > Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk Yeah ! Nuts isn't it ? I use a bit of silver 4mmOD tube crimped to the cable and then run through both terminals *Want a webapp ?* Get SqueezeLite-X ! https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?108550-Announce-Squeezelite-X=903953=1#post903953 Jeff07971's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49290 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114226 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] (Vaguely) Audiophile alternative to Transporter and SB+?
Jeff07971 wrote: > Bi-wiring Cables by the look of them > > More like Bi-(Bye-Money)-WiringSo would you use them to replace the brass > link if you weren't bi-wiring your speakers? Wow! In that case they seem quite long. Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114226 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] (Vaguely) Audiophile alternative to Transporter and SB+?
slartibartfast wrote: > What are these cables? They look very short. > https://www.hear-audio.co.uk/witchcraft-cables/witchcraft-black-speaker-links-set-of-4 > > Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk Bi-wiring Cables by the look of them More like Bi-(Bye-Money)-Wiring *Want a webapp ?* Get SqueezeLite-X ! https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?108550-Announce-Squeezelite-X=903953=1#post903953 Jeff07971's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49290 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114226 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] (Vaguely) Audiophile alternative to Transporter and SB+?
ModelCitizen wrote: > FYI. That's Witch Hat, the Naim servicing outfit, not Hear Audio. And > yes, it's a joke and only for the gullible.What are these cables? They look > very short. https://www.hear-audio.co.uk/witchcraft-cables/witchcraft-black-speaker-links-set-of-4 Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114226 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] (Vaguely) Audiophile alternative to Transporter and SB+?
MainSqueeze wrote: > They also sell cables "from as little as £165", you'll be pleased to > know.. FYI. That's Witch Hat, the Naim servicing outfit, not Hear Audio. And yes, it's a joke and only for the gullible. Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known Last.fm/user/ModelCitizen ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114226 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] (Vaguely) Audiophile alternative to Transporter and SB+?
Hello stranger! The SB ecosystem is much more flexible now than it used to be - it plays to DLNA devices and more via plugins that are very reliable, so there's every chance that you can splurge money on a Naim streamer and it will work well with SB Server. It's way more reliable than it was when I had the Linn Akurate DS. Apart from that it's a suitable player like a Pi plugged into an async USB DAC. The DAC I would like to try would be the Okto DAC - Audio Science Review is a good source of testing (measuring) for DACs, and that one is as good as anything for a sensible price (about a grand). It also has a Pi built in for the streaming facility. Own music plus Qobuz, PC with Squeezelite-X, JRiver as digital XO System 1: Lynx AES16, 5x SMSL DACs, various amps, 5 way horns System 2: Asus Xonar u7, Restek Sextet, JBL L300 3xBoom, 1xRadio adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114226 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] (Vaguely) Audiophile alternative to Transporter and SB+?
They also sell cables "from as little as £165", you'll be pleased to know. According to the testimonials on their website, the cables deliver "very smooth and controlled sound with more panache and detail across the whole spectrum" (Bob) and "a ridiculous level of performance for a ridiculously low price" (D, RH15). MainSqueeze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=62220 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114226 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] (Vaguely) Audiophile alternative to Transporter and SB+?
Man in a van wrote: > Thanks for the link Jeremy, duly bookmarked :) > ronnie ...err don't mention it. :-) Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known Last.fm/user/ModelCitizen ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114226 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] (Vaguely) Audiophile alternative to Transporter and SB+?
ModelCitizen wrote: > Jeremy. > > Again, thanks very much. > > Repair guy: > > https://www.hear-audio.co.uk/ Thanks for the link Jeremy, duly bookmarked :) ronnie Man in a van's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43627 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114226 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] (Vaguely) Audiophile alternative to Transporter and SB+?
Well, thank you all very much for this. I have purchased a DAC32 (no display does not worry me as I use the wonderful Orange Lab apps on my Android phone). I have also found a top-end hifi repair person in my own village (!!) who now has my SB+. He even ti=urns out to be the son of a friend of mine. Link below for anyone in the UK in need of those sorts of services. I am still accumulating all the Naim kit but when I have it and running I am hoping to be able to borrow a Naim NDS or NDX. If I can I am going to compare the three head units. I am no audiophile but to me the olive Naim kit sounds completely different to any other set up. It seems to have an inherent swing and sex that makes even music I don't like sound good. And the sublime sound of the Shahinian Arcs (omni-directional and perfect for my 'difficult' lounge') complement the Naim kit perfectly (I really don't like the Naim speakers I've heard). I've not yet tried Naim streamers but for plain lush listenability, in my old setup, their CD Player, the CDX beat the socks of any streamers I tried. It'll be interesting to see if their streamer does the same thing. I bloody well hope not as the cost is crippling (thank God for Bitcoin!). Again. thanks very much. Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known Last.fm/user/ModelCitizen ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114226 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] (Vaguely) Audiophile alternative to Transporter and SB+?
garym wrote: > Why not an rPi4B, feeding (via USB) any good quality DAC of your choice? Excellent advice from garym - then your upgrade route is just DACs thereafter - I have Naim amps and use a Pi3 with PiCoreplayer and a HiFiBerry Digi+Pro into a fairly basic Cambridge Audio DAC, sounds amazing RaspberryPi3 server running Raspbian & LMS 8.2, USB hard drive Lounge - Pi2 running piCoreplayer 6 connected via Toslink to Cambridge Audio DACMagic 100, Linn LP12/Ekos/Troika, Naim NAC102, Linn Tunebox crossover, 4 x Naim NAP250 power amps with Avondale Audio 2018 mods, Linn Keltik active isobarik speakers Office - Squeezebox Boom Kitchen - Squeezebox Radio x2 Sunroom - Squeezebox Boom Bedroom - Squeezebox Radio x2 plus another in en-suite Dining Room - Squeezebox Radio jeremy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3000 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114226 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] (Vaguely) Audiophile alternative to Transporter and SB+?
In my Living Room HiFi I have a Pi4 with a Khadas Tone Board. The latter is a highly respected USB DAC capable of 32bit etc far beyond anything you can currently throw at it. The Pi runs piCorePlayer and they are in expensive WAF cases. I consider this player to be about as good as you can get for a Pi + USB DAC arrangement. I put it against a newly acquired DAC32. Yes the Khadas Tone Board is better but its very very close. The Pi plus Tone Board and cases came to about £230. The DAC32 is £65. VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Boom *Kitchen* UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114226 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] (Vaguely) Audiophile alternative to Transporter and SB+?
Paul Webster wrote: > The current model does not have a display - but you can use any other > LMS display to control it. Or any browser or iOS/Android smartphone or tablet app. If you need a server, consider the matching CORE32: https://polyvection.com/en/product/core32/ These products are the obvious choice for anyone newly adopting the Squeezebox system until PolyVection releases a "DIGI32" S/PDIF renderer. Apesbrain's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=738 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114226 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] (Vaguely) Audiophile alternative to Transporter and SB+?
See the DAC32 announcement thread - and perhaps this comparison to a Transporter https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?113633-DAC32-low-cost-high-performance-music-streamer=1015695=1#post1015695 The current model does not have a display - but you can use any other LMS display to control it. Paul Webster http://dabdig.blogspot.com author of \"now playing\" plugins covering radio france (fip etc), kcrw, supla finland, abc australia, cbc/radio-canada and rte ireland Paul Webster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=105 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114226 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] (Vaguely) Audiophile alternative to Transporter and SB+?
Why not an rPi4B, feeding (via USB) any good quality DAC of your choice? *Home:* Pi4B-8GB/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* rPi4B-4GB/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>foobar2000 *The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP4.0/4TB>hifiberry Dac+Pro (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir3 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, Material Skin, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) *Files:* -Ripping-: dbpoweramp > FLAC; -Post-rip-: mp3tag, PerfectTunes, TuneFusion; -Streaming:- Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114226 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] (Vaguely) Audiophile alternative to Transporter and SB+?
Hello. If anyone can help me I'd be grateful. I'm recreating a hifi I sold 15 years ago when I moved into a building site. I have a problem with the front end though. I used to use a @-tunes modified SB3 called an SB+ which was good. I also had a Transporter but did not get along with it. So I'm looking for suggestions for a high quality front end. I have wondered if there's a company that makes top-end audio adaptions of the raspberry pi but am basically open to any suggestions. For anyone who might be interested this is the system I'm re-building. Speakers: Shahinian Arcs Amp: Naim NAP180 PSU: HiCap Pre-amp: NAC102 You might think my obvious choice of front end was the Naim NDS or NDX but I prefer the Squeezebox ecosystem and these two items are silly money (and you still need to buy power supply!). Thanks for any suggestions. Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known Last.fm/user/ModelCitizen ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114226 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
