Re: [slim] Best 802.11N Router for Duet
DeVerm;317101 Wrote: > > Just saying that "an expert" said that it doesn't matter is > irrelevant. > It's not "an expert", it's the VP of engineering at one of the leading designers of wifi chipsets. Feel free to point to evidence that he's wrong, but in the absence of that I'll take his word for it. http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=263658#post263658 -- radish radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49309 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Best 802.11N Router for Duet
jw111;315601 Wrote: > I need to get a new router and would like to pick the 802.11n router > that works best with my Duet Controller. I am using a wired connection > for the receiver. > > What 802.11n router is as reliable as possible with the Controller? > > Maybe the Squeezebox people could say what routers they develop with? > > Thanks I am using the D-Link DGL4500 for a month or so now and it's great. IMHO the "gaming grade" stuff is sturdier/better, just like with mice and keyboards. Also, I am of the opinion that 802.11n might help SB with increasing range. Also again: I think that people that say SB is fine with 802.11g are right but they miss a point: it's not just the SB using the wifi so how does the mixed environment impact performance on other 802.11n devices. Just saying that "an expert" said that it doesn't matter is irrelevant. One poster wrote that channel bandwidth is restricted to 20 MHz in mixed mode g/n while n-only would use 40 MHz. That sounds like a big difference to me and I'm supposed to be an expert on this stuff too (electronics- and network-designer). cheers, DeVerm. -- DeVerm DeVerm's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18104 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49309 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Best 802.11N Router for Duet
MrSinatra;316645 Wrote: > well, besides the idea that being all N is good in that it keeps those > without N from any possible way in, (a slight but nonetheless > considered position), it was my understanding from this article, (which > used to be toms hardware i think?) that in any mode other than pure N > the router goes from 40mhz channels to 20. > > http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/content/view/30087/96/1/4/ > > lots of good info in that article, worth reading the whole thing. i'm > no expert so i can't say that mixed mode impacts me in any perceptible > way even if it does technically, but another consideration is that the > SBs can bridge wirelessly right? so if i have some gear hooked into it > via ethernet and using it as the wireless adapter, isn't it a good idea > to have more BW for the SB and its client?I need to read up more on how mine > works. I know it has a switch for mixed mode if you have problems but I haven't need it. As far as Logitech jumping in with the sb I really don't know how they could at this moment in time. To pick one as the evidential winner could be disaster if they picked wrong. Maybe the winning stardard could be accepted by firware changes maybe not. I'd error on caution if I were them until a standard is set and then I would think they would add it. It might be that only new ones will do this but thats part of life. If it's important enough to me I guess I'd upgrade. Hopefully they can upgrade the current ones. I do know with the update that I just did to my router and card some big changes happened. Speeds are way up on mine and it was pretty fast already. Hopefully it's getting close to a standard and everyone can more on. -- Nonreality -IF THE RULE YOU FOLLOWED BROUGHT YOU TO THIS, OF WHAT USE IS THE RULE.- HTTP://www.last.fm/user/nonreality Nonreality's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49309 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Best 802.11N Router for Duet
MrSinatra;316645 Wrote: > but another consideration is that the SBs can bridge wirelessly right? > so if i have some gear hooked into it via ethernet and using it as the > wireless adapter, isn't it a good idea to have more BW for the SB and > its client? That's kind of an edge case :) I'm sure that once N is ratified and the chipsets are down to the same prices as G now that the SB5 or whatever it is will have N. There's just no reason for Logi to jump on the retrofit bandwagon yet. -- radish radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49309 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Best 802.11N Router for Duet
well, besides the idea that being all N is good in that it keeps those without N from any possible way in, (a slight but nonetheless considered position), it was my understanding from this article, (which used to be toms hardware i think?) that in any mode other than pure N the router goes from 40mhz channels to 20. http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/content/view/30087/96/1/4/ lots of good info in that article, worth reading the whole thing. i'm no expert so i can't say that mixed mode impacts me in any perceptible way even if it does technically, but another consideration is that the SBs can bridge wirelessly right? so if i have some gear hooked into it via ethernet and using it as the wireless adapter, isn't it a good idea to have more BW for the SB and its client? -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 (primary) / SBR (secondary) / SBC - w/SC 7.1beta - Win XP Pro SP3 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram - D-Link DIR-655 MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49309 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Best 802.11N Router for Duet
MrSinatra;316484 Wrote: > a LOT of wireless networks are BETTER when the router need only support > N instead of a mixed mode of G and N or B, G and N. > The N standard (such as it is) has full backwards compatability with G. There is no performance penalty associated with a mixed G/N network as there is with a mixed B/G. Hence my statement (based on statements made by those better informed than myself) that there's no reason for low bandwidth clients to move to N hardware. Sean posted an excellent Q&A with a wifi expert a while back which explained this in more detail. -- radish radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49309 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Best 802.11N Router for Duet
MrSinatra;316484 Wrote: > the obvious requirement for N has nothing to do with slim, and > everything to do with the router. > > a LOT of wireless networks are BETTER when the router need only support > N instead of a mixed mode of G and N or B, G and N. > > it would be nice for slim to allow customers to pick N so mixed mode > was not made a necessity. > > it is problematic that the N standard is not official, but when it is a > fw upgrade should allow todays recent draft N stuff to be official, so i > don't see why that should stop slim. > > i use a d-link 655 as well and think its a great router, (it does N > btw), and i think linksys is more often than not totally junk. netgear > stuff is good too from my exposure to it. (i used to think d-link was > junk after some years ago bad exp's, but this router got such rave > reviews i gave it a shot and it hasn't disappointed. very good imo)Thats one > thing I really like about my netgear N router. It doesn't have any problem with mixed speeds. No need to turn off any of the advanced settings. -- Nonreality -IF THE RULE YOU FOLLOWED BROUGHT YOU TO THIS, OF WHAT USE IS THE RULE.- HTTP://www.last.fm/user/nonreality Nonreality's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49309 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Best 802.11N Router for Duet
For me the combination DIR-635 as router and DAP-1353 as Access Point in Repeater Mode works great. Now I have a really good wireless strenght throughout the whole house ( never under 80% :-) ) However, before I got this to work I had to spend some great time with the the D-Link telephone support. Now I have learned that it's there are compatibility issues between the wless router and the DAP. A wireless modem/router DI-624 and DAP does not work. There must be first a simple ADSL-modem, then wireless router (preferably DIR-635 or DIR-655) and then - somewhere else in the house - the DAP, everything setup according to the standards of same SSID, Subnet IP etc... But once set up - rock on!! Cheers! /Boo -- booguss booguss's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13212 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49309 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Best 802.11N Router for Duet
the obvious requirement for N has nothing to do with slim, and everything to do with the router. a LOT of wireless networks are BETTER when the router need only support N instead of a mixed mode of G and N or B, G and N. it would be nice for slim to allow customers to pick N so mixed mode was not made a necessity. it is problematic that the N standard is not official, but when it is a fw upgrade should allow todays recent draft N stuff to be official, so i don't see why that should stop slim. i use a d-link 655 as well and think its a great router, (it does N btw), and i think linksys is more often than not totally junk. netgear stuff is good too from my exposure to it. (i used to think d-link was junk after some years ago bad exp's, but this router got such rave reviews i gave it a shot and it hasn't disappointed. very good imo) -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 (primary) / SBR (secondary) / SBC - w/SC 7.1beta - Win XP Pro SP3 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram - D-Link DIR-655 MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49309 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Best 802.11N Router for Duet
Just to agree with "Pascal Hibon", the standard is not agreed upon. It may happen this year, it may not. IEEE moves in mysterious ways. There is no "need" for an 11N router in the SlimDevices world. The bandwidth requirements do not push 11G. Some of the better "11N" marketed routers use 5 gHz band in addition to the overcrowded and overused 2.4gHz band. This is a really good thing (tm), but it will be years before the world gives up on 2.4, if ever. -- pfarrell Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html pfarrell's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=200 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49309 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Best 802.11N Router for Duet
jw111;315601 Wrote: > I need to get a new router and would like to pick the 802.11n router > that works best with my Duet Controller. I am using a wired connection > for the receiver. > > What 802.11n router is as reliable as possible with the Controller? > > Maybe the Squeezebox people could say what routers they develop with? > > Thanks Sean (Slim's founder) uses the Linksys WRT600N and told me he really likes them. Personally, I use the WRT54GL with Tomato FW; anything that needs lots of bandwidth is wired in my house, so G is fine for me and I really like that router from a stability perspective. -=> Jim -- JimC "well, she wasn't all of that, but she sure was some of that." -- BKlaas' college buddy JimC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9428 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49309 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Best 802.11N Router for Duet
I thought that 802.11n includes MIMO, which could help increase the range. radish;316408 Wrote: > This has been discussed a number of times before. Short answer: no. > Longer answer: there's no reason to use n in devices like this with low > bandwidth requirements. -- jw111 jw111's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11985 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49309 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Best 802.11N Router for Duet
amcluesent;316375 Wrote: > I wonder if there will ever be an 802.11n upgrade for the SB3, Receiver > and Transporter, IIRC they all use mini-PCI cards for the wi-fi like > this, poss. based on Atheros chip-set. Probably just a few lines of > code in the firmware... This has been discussed a number of times before. Short answer: no. Longer answer: there's no reason to use n in devices like this with low bandwidth requirements. -- radish radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49309 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Best 802.11N Router for Duet
I wonder if there will ever be an 802.11n upgrade for the SB3 and Transporter, IIRC they both use mini-PCI cards for the wi-fi. -- amcluesent amcluesent's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10286 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49309 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Best 802.11N Router for Duet
Just keep in mind that 802.11n (or MIMO) is not a standard yet. It is still in draft. The current draft is 2.0 I believe. If for some reason the draft gets important changes, those changes could affect hardware requirements of Access Points. The IEEE will need at least until the end of 2008 before it gets into a standard. I dont want to be negative about 802.11n, just be advised when shopping for such devices. I currently run a D-Link 802.11b/g Access Point. This works flawlessly with my SB3. The throughput of the g radio is still enough for my application. The g radio has enough bandwidth available for devices such as SBs, Receivers and Transporters. -- Pascal Hibon Pascal Hibon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7969 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49309 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Best 802.11N Router for Duet
I chose the Belkin N1 Vision wireless router in part because it has a display on the router where I can clearly see which devices are connecting and the bandwidth they are utilizing. It has four Ethernet ports as well. The browser-based config tool has been easy to use and full featured. The firewall can be disabled or configured as can DHCP. So far it's worked fine with my SB receivers. They are wired via ethernet while the controller connects over wireless. -- doggieflyer doggieflyer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18462 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49309 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Best 802.11N Router for Duet
I have a WRT160N, works fine. -- Sike Sike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2458 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49309 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Best 802.11N Router for Duet
I use the Netgear WNR854T N which replaced a Netgear Rangemax G+ that was about 10 mths old when I replaced it in Feb. I made a huge difference with both my Laptop and my SB3. I don't know how it works with the Duet but I'd highly recommend it for laptops and the SB3. You definitely want to get a matching card for any laptop you use regardless of what brand you buy if you want it to work at the higher speeds. If anyone out there has this model you need to go and update it and your card. I regularly had the router check for updates and ended up missing 2 of them and just happened to check the site 3 days ago. The new firmware has made it really fast with both N and wired. Major update and well worth it, I was really surprised as were my kids. -- Nonreality -IF THE RULE YOU FOLLOWED BROUGHT YOU TO THIS, OF WHAT USE IS THE RULE.- HTTP://www.last.fm/user/nonreality Nonreality's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49309 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Best 802.11N Router for Duet
jw111;315797 Wrote: > Are you running the Duet with it? Yes, that's why I replied to your thread. -- Jeff Flowerday Jeff Flowerday's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15883 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49309 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Best 802.11N Router for Duet
the duet and the linksys wrt54gx4 do *not* like each other, the receiver works most of the time, the controller drops out all the time despite all the tricks in the forums. -- pablolie pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49309 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Best 802.11N Router for Duet
Are you running the Duet with it? Jeff Flowerday;315753 Wrote: > I'm running the same one, it works great. A buddy has it as well, works > great for him as well. -- jw111 jw111's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11985 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49309 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Best 802.11N Router for Duet
amcluesent;315667 Wrote: > The D-Link DIR-655 has had good reviews. Mine is fine, with a laptop and > SB3 off the wi-fi. I'm running the same one, it works great. A buddy has it as well, works great for him as well. -- Jeff Flowerday Jeff Flowerday's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15883 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49309 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Best 802.11N Router for Duet
The D-Link DIR-655 has had good reviews. Mine is fine, with a laptop and SB3 off the wi-fi. -- amcluesent amcluesent's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10286 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49309 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Best 802.11N Router for Duet
The wireless portion of Zyxel and Drayteck routers historically have caused problems, I don't know if this is still the case. There are a few new routers utilising the 5GHz portion of the 802.11n spec. However this won't benefit G users as it is 2.4GHz only. It's not that they won't work (they still have a2.4GHz radio as well) you just won't get the benefit of those extra dollars you spent. -- funkstar funkstar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49309 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Best 802.11N Router for Duet
I have already been looking at comparison sites. Still, a list of working routers would be better than nothing. If I get enough comments then I will see some trends about which ones tend work. Also, If enough people say which routers do not work then I will get a sense of which ones to avoid. I seem to recall reading that there were problems with Zyxel routers. Thanks. -- jw111 jw111's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11985 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49309 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Best 802.11N Router for Duet
Define -'best'- If you want a router that is reliable with the Controller, then you want a reliable router. Unless there are any forum members with a collection of routers to do a comparison you're just going to get a list of working routers. It would be difficult to say if my router (Netgear) is better than any other as I it's the only one I have :) Try trawling the net for comparison sites. -- bonze TranquilPC T2-WHS-A3 - SqueezeCenter Version: 7.2 - 21242 - Windows Server 2003 - EN - cp1252 3 x wireless SB3 + a Duet bonze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6150 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49309 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Best 802.11N Router for Duet
I need to get a new router and would like to pick the 802.11n router that works best with my Duet Controller. I am using a wired connection for the receiver. What 802.11n router is as reliable as possible with the Controller? Maybe the Squeezebox people could say what routers they develop with? Thanks -- jw111 jw111's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11985 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49309 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
