Re: [slim] Greatest Hits problem?
MrSinatra;296520 Wrote: http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8001 I see you got carried away there in post #8... Not every problem with your tags can and should be solved by the SD people. You always tell people how you stick to the id3 specification and how reluctant you are to use non-standard frames. Your use of the TPE2 frame to denote soundtrack albums certainly isn't standard. What does Soundtrack have to do with album artist, band, orchestra or composer? Put Soundtrack in the genre frame (TCON) instead. Use a seperator character if you already have a genre in your tags and don't want to overwrite it. -s. -- slimpy slimpy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1524 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45280 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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slimpy;296539 Wrote: I see you got carried away there in post #8... Not every problem with your tags can and should be solved by the SD people. i absolutely agree. sloppy tags for instance, are not a slim problem. but this case is different, and i can explain why in one sentence: SC7 has NO WAY for mp3 users to properly group/sort/organize/arrange their albums without using a user defined tag, meaning a tag other than whats spec'd in v2.3 i totally understand your view that slim can't handle every mutation, but this is very, very basic stuff, b/c 2.3 is universal, even in how its abused its practically universal. if you don't see it that way then i guess we just have to agree to disagree. slimpy;296539 Wrote: You always tell people how you stick to the id3 specification and how reluctant you are to use non-standard frames. to be more accurate, i point out that this is the reality that most [mp3] people and most (in marketshare) apps stick to. can't fight the tide. slimpy;296539 Wrote: Your use of the TPE2 frame to denote soundtrack albums certainly isn't standard. i should clarify that... i don't have a set in concrete system for this, and it wasn't me who started this on my tags. it was one of my apps, most likely WMP. so i just did that more uniformly. also, in winamp, when it auto-tags, it occassionally puts Various Artists or Soundtrack or something like that in TPE2, but thats a fairly new development, as winamp hasn't autotagged and even used TPE2 for that long. maybe a year or so? (using gracenote i believe) i readily admit using TPE2 for anything other than the spec is improper. but it is the defacto standard. its just as much a defacto standard as usuing user defined tags is that SC7 does respect. its universal in practical terms in other words. slimpy;296539 Wrote: What does Soundtrack have to do with album artist, band, orchestra or composer? Put Soundtrack in the genre frame (TCON) instead. yes, i do do that, (the genre frame). but i wanted to separate VA albums from soundtracks, as they are in that sense, distinctly different. so for instance, when i have list albums by band (which is all the time in SC7), it'll say such and such an album is by various artists for one cd, and such and such an album is by original soundtrack for another cd. its just my preference, i don't claim it to be perfect, or to be how other people should do it. slimpy;296539 Wrote: Use a seperator character if you already have a genre in your tags and don't want to overwrite it. -s. can you explain this a bit more? do you mean take: Rock and make it: Rock - Soundtrack ? i mean, thats a great idea and all, but it doesn't affect the grouping issue, which is the main thing i am trying to address. -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 (primary) / SBR (secondary) / SBC - w/SC 7.0.1beta - Win XP Pro SP2 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram - D-Link DIR-655 MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45280 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Greatest Hits problem?
snarlydwarf;284888 Wrote: that said, I would buy into a bug report that TPE2 is not being treated exactly as ALBUMARTIST is. I am not sure on what use displaying, but not sorting on that field would be. That would seem inconsistent. i couldn't agree more. :) -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 (primary) / SBR (secondary) / Jive - w/SC 7.0.1beta - Win XP Pro SP2 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram - D-Link DIR-655 MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45280 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Greatest Hits problem?
MrSinatra;289753 Wrote: i couldn't agree more. :) And, as I said in the other thread (geesh, would you stop beating a dead horse? You are only stirring up excrement and flies), I have since looked at my own collection and see why TPE2 is used as it is. -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45280 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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you just can't avoid commentary... regardless, the point still stands. what is the point of displaying TPE2 and not sorting by it? in other words, using your sinatra/dorsey example, why would someone want to display Dorsey but not have it sort by Dorsey? seems a very rare and esoteric request, compared to displaying Dorsey AND sorting by Dorsey. (keep in mind that in my case which is not rare, it wouldn't NECESSARILY sort with Sinatra either, not if any track on the album had a differing artist in the TPE1 field, ...in that case it would become VA which is another reason why sort by TPE2 as an OPTION in needed) -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 (primary) / SBR (secondary) / Jive - w/SC 7.0.1beta - Win XP Pro SP2 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram - D-Link DIR-655 MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45280 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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... *plonk* -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45280 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Greatest Hits problem?
snarlydwarf;284860 Wrote: Right, and Thirty Years of Maximum RB by The Who should be listed under The Who even though some tracks are credited to the High Numbers. That is working perfect for me: Code: Album: Thirty Years of Maximum R B Album Artist: The Who Artist: The Who, The High Numbers Year: 1994 Duration: 129:58 Agreed, and that seems working for me (see above). On the pure 'albums' list, it only shows The Who (again, what I would expect and I like that, and think that agrees with your expectations). You missed the point. What happens when you use the Artist List? Are all you Who albums listed together? or does this one come under Various Artists, I suspect the latter. snarlydwarf;284860 Wrote: Ah, so you have a problem with it importing all this from iTunes? That is really where the problem lies then, the interconnect between the two? The catch here is that no one can do much about that other than Apple: they have a propietary and changing interface and the documentation is mostly reverse-engineered. Thats like saying you want OpenOffice to be able to import -exactly- from random versions of Word. That would be nice, too, but would depend on Microsoft playing nice... in both cases, it is against the business interests of Apple and Microsoft to play nice with others, or at least so they believe. (Personally, I think interoperation can increase sales, and open API's are good even for the major players, but I don't have the money of Bill Gates or Steve Jobs...) It really sounds like the confusion is in the interpretation and conversion of metadata from iTunes. (And, no, I don't think I am shooting you down in flames: I am trying to understand the origin of your problem in order to provide a solution. If you are importing from iTunes, then what iTunes provides and the way it presents it is very relevant... and only Apple can change that.) No. This is not the problem, or a valid analogy. If you want me to expand or why this is we can continue this discussion elsewhere. snarlydwarf;284860 Wrote: It lists fine by Album Artist for me... No, what happens is when you list Album, the correct Album Artist is displayed along side them. What is required, is when listing Artists, all their Albums are listed together. So the above Album is listed next to Live and Leeds, also by The Who. -- bullgod bullgod's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9916 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45280 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Greatest Hits problem?
here's the thing... i think a TPE2 tag is by mp3.org standard a band or albumartist tag, but i could be wrong. (if i do indeed only have a TPE2 field, and no other fields for this data, then both WMP and winamp as well as mp3tag all interpret that info as albumartist OR band interchangeably) i don't even know for sure if my tags are tpe2, but i am now assuming so. i wish i had a program that would just show me the raw data in my tags, not just the data of the info for a given field, but what the field itself is too. in any case, it seems to me you are using a 3rd party tag prog workaround to get your tags done in such a way as to get SC7 to handle them the way you want. my point from the beginning of this thread has been that SC7 does not sort correctly when using a generic tag type setup. i think i laid it all out well here, let me know what you think in this thread please: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45876 -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 (primary) / SBR (secondary) / Jive - w/SC 7.0.1beta - Win XP Pro SP2 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram - D-Link DIR-655 MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45280 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Greatest Hits problem?
MrSinatra;284577 Wrote: i still wonder what would have happened had u left it as is and renamed the album name tags. If the album was renamed it would have solved the problem as well. MrSinatra;284577 Wrote: i don't understand however, why that tag would connect those two albums. from post #5 in this thread: slimpy;283348 Wrote: Squeezecenter groups albums with the same name together if a DISCNUMBER tag is set (for multi-disc albums which can reside in one directory per disc). -s. -- slimpy slimpy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1524 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45280 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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slimpy;284624 Wrote: If the album was renamed it would have solved the problem as well. from post #5 in this thread: -s. I can understand why disc number would cause this to happen, but in the case when the disc number is 1/1 then it should really ignore the disc number, IMO. Either way it it doesn't matter to me because I label my multi disc sets with [Disc #] in the album name, so these tags are of no use to me anyway and have been completely deleted. -- Jeff Flowerday Jeff Flowerday's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15883 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45280 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Jeff Flowerday;284754 Wrote: I can understand why disc number would cause this to happen, but in the case when the disc number is 1/1 then it should really ignore the disc number, IMO. I think the scanner completely ignores the values in the disc number tag when it reads the files, it merely checks for the presence of the tag and adds the value to the database. The problem is that discnumber doesn't need to contain the total number of discs. An entry like DISCNUMBER=1 is valid and there's no way for the scanner to know if there are more discs of this album or not. But you are right, the scanner could check for 1/1 values (but it also needs to check for DISC=1 and DISCC=1 and all other variants) and ignore them. IMO it doesn't make sense to tag files with DISCNUMBER=1/1 anyway as this provides zero information. DISCNUMBER tags are only really useful on multi-disc albums. -s. -- slimpy slimpy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1524 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45280 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Greatest Hits problem?
is this not a bug? i think it is, or at least, its something SC7 should handle better. -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 (primary) / SBR (secondary) / Jive - w/SC 7.0.1beta - Win XP Pro SP2 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram - D-Link DIR-655 MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45280 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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slimpy;283723 Wrote: Keep in mind that SC treats albums as a compilation if it finds more than one artist. One solution is to tag the files with COMPILATION=0 (as you did). If I'm correct this will however lead to the album being listed as album by artist A, artist B and the album will be listed under both artists. I usually don't list guest performers in the artist field but append them to the track title, eg. (feat. artist A) Guest artists don't appear in the artist list this way but they can still be found by a quick search. I don't want albums to be listed under an artist if that artist only appears as a guest performer on one or two songs on the album. YMMV, of course. -s. The trouble is this wrong. Or at least contrary to expectations, and contrary to iTunes. For example: a album of 20 Frank Sinatra tracks, on one of which Frank is joined by Shirley MacLain. Now does this make the album a Compilation? It shouldn't do, especially if I have Compilation=No. If I set the Album Artist to Frank Sinatra should this be listed under Various Artists, of course not. Example #2: Adrian Boult and the LPO play Wagner. Under iTunes a can set the composer to Richard Wanger, the Album Artist to Wagner and Artist for each track to be Adrian Boult (plus appropriate soloist). Now under iTunes I can list this cd by Album by Artist and it appears under W for Wagner. All right and proper. But under SC this now gets listed under Adrian Boult and assorted other Various Artists No! Now I'm not saying iTunes is correct at all time, but SC does ask if I'm also using iTune s and should be able to work in concert. I've pointed this out before and got shot down in flames. SC needs a List by Album Artist option because the List album by band option is not fit for purpose. Only in the absence of the Album Artist, should the track artist be used in this circumstance. -- bullgod bullgod's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9916 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45280 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Greatest Hits problem?
let me clarify that a bit for you... album artist and band are both tpe2 tags. so essentially the same. when SC7 says list by band thats the same as saying list by album artist, and all it means is it DISPLAYS that tag as by album artist it does not mean to suggest it SORTS by that tag. however, i agree with you, SC7 should absolutely have the option sort by the tpe2 tag, and consider soundtracks and so on as various artists. this is something i have been trying to figure out... when the wiki is back, i want everyone to help me figure out the logic sc7 uses to do sorting base on files, folders, tags, etc... and i think SC7 should be smart enough to get it right wihout compilation tags, which imo, are an iunes thing and not really necessary to create a working system. -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 (primary) / SBR (secondary) / Jive - w/SC 7.0.1beta - Win XP Pro SP2 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram - D-Link DIR-655 MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45280 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Greatest Hits problem?
bullgod;284848 Wrote: For example: a album of 20 Frank Sinatra tracks, on one of which Frank is joined by Shirley MacLain. Now does this make the album a Compilation? It shouldn't do, especially if I have Compilation=No. Right, and Thirty Years of Maximum RB by The Who should be listed under The Who even though some tracks are credited to the High Numbers. That is working perfect for me: Code: Album: Thirty Years of Maximum R B Album Artist: The Who Artist: The Who, The High Numbers Year: 1994 Duration: 129:58 If I set the Album Artist to Frank Sinatra should this be listed under Various Artists, of course not. Agreed, and that seems working for me (see above). On the pure 'albums' list, it only shows The Who (again, what I would expect and I like that, and think that agrees with your expectations). Example #2: Adrian Boult and the LPO play Wagner. Under iTunes a can set the composer to Richard Wanger, the Album Artist to Wagner and Artist for each track to be Adrian Boult (plus appropriate soloist). Now under iTunes I can list this cd by Album by Artist and it appears under W for Wagner. All right and proper. But under SC this now gets listed under Adrian Boult and assorted other Various Artists No! It does? We seem to have some different settings... If AlbumArtist is set to Richard Wagner, it should sort there, much like the Thirty Years does above. Now, depending on other settings in SC, it would also show up under Boult in some browsing (ie, browse by artist), but then that makes sense ... he is an artist on the track since you set the artist tag. Can you be more specific in what behavior you are seeing? Now I'm not saying iTunes is correct at all time, but SC does ask if I'm also using iTune s and should be able to work in concert. Ah, so you have a problem with it importing all this from iTunes? That is really where the problem lies then, the interconnect between the two? The catch here is that no one can do much about that other than Apple: they have a propietary and changing interface and the documentation is mostly reverse-engineered. Thats like saying you want OpenOffice to be able to import -exactly- from random versions of Word. That would be nice, too, but would depend on Microsoft playing nice... in both cases, it is against the business interests of Apple and Microsoft to play nice with others, or at least so they believe. (Personally, I think interoperation can increase sales, and open API's are good even for the major players, but I don't have the money of Bill Gates or Steve Jobs...) I've pointed this out before and got shot down in flames. SC needs a List by Album Artist option because the List album by band option is not fit for purpose. Only in the absence of the Album Artist, should the track artist be used in this circumstance. It lists fine by Album Artist for me... It really sounds like the confusion is in the interpretation and conversion of metadata from iTunes. (And, no, I don't think I am shooting you down in flames: I am trying to understand the origin of your problem in order to provide a solution. If you are importing from iTunes, then what iTunes provides and the way it presents it is very relevant... and only Apple can change that.) -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45280 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Greatest Hits problem?
my SC7 does not, and has never, sorted by album artist. it does display album artist as by album artist but it does not sort by it. i am in view artwork, artist, year, album mode. -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 (primary) / SBR (secondary) / Jive - w/SC 7.0.1beta - Win XP Pro SP2 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram - D-Link DIR-655 MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45280 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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MrSinatra;284866 Wrote: my SC7 does not, and has never, sorted by album artist. I beg to differ. i am in view artwork, artist, year, album mode. I don't know what view artwork means in the context of sc7... I the top of my screen on the Default style says: Home Albums I clicked W and I see: Code: Magic Bus: The Who on Tour (1968) by The Who Meaty Beaty Big and Bouncy (1971) by The Who Thirty Years of Maximum R B (1994) by The Who Who Are You (1978) by The Who The Who by Numbers (1975) by The Who My sort order is: Artist, Album As I said earlier, The Who is album artist on that. Also note that in this view, I do not see it listed under The High Numbers. (my H's skip from Jimi Hendrix to Billie Holliday, no 'HI's at all, oddly enough.) -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45280 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Greatest Hits problem?
MrSinatra;284855 Wrote: let me clarify that a bit for you... album artist and band are both tpe2 tags. so essentially the same. when SC7 says list by band thats the same as saying list by album artist, and all it means is it DISPLAYS that tag as by album artist it does not mean to suggest it SORTS by that tag. however, i agree with you, SC7 should absolutely have the option sort by the tpe2 tag, and consider soundtracks and so on as various artists. this is something i have been trying to figure out... when the wiki is back, i want everyone to help me figure out the logic sc7 uses to do sorting based on files, folders, tags, etc... and i think SC7 should be smart enough to get it right wihout compilation tags, which imo, are an itunes thing and not really necessary to create a working system. OK good, I started another thread to the List by Album Artist (probably while you were replying here) maybe the discussion can take place there. But the Compilation question is a different issue. For one thing there are two types of complication: Greatest hits (collection of a single artist's work) type and Soundtrack/Everyone sings X (multiple artists/common theme) type. iTunes uses same flag for both. When IMO it only makes sense for the second type. So you can consider this a special case where if compilation = true then Album Artist = Various Artists (or whatever string one specifies). Then the Compilation issue goes away, doesn't it? But it still leave the sorting issue which is much more important, as there is currently on way of squaring iTunes sorting with SC sorting by Artist. I would guess that there number of true compilations is 1%, whereas the number of albums with heterogeneous Artists tags, that SC currently falsely lists as compilations, approaches 30~40%. -- bullgod bullgod's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9916 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45280 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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I believe that albums are sorted by the highest sorting artist - it may be the album artist or it might be not. I definitely see albums listed by albumartist at wrong spots sort wise. In your case, Snarly, artist and albumartist are effectively the same. K -- slimkid The sound stage will open up, bass will tighten and the imaging will improve. DVD performance will also increase substantially. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iAj2aPdQnk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvMNuuFSvN0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDRhRv4q_SI http://youtube.com/watch?v=nlrpe8Ig5m8 http://youtube.com/watch?v=dC9tGlwPln8 slimkid's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8881 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45280 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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SNARLY: first from the home opening SC7 page, i click: albums (not artists) when i do so, i see my music in artist, year, album sorting, with the artwork (displayed at 140 pixels, which lets me see 3 albums per row). most are where they should be, however, for any album that has any more than one artist listed on any track for the same album, (like the sinatra example above) it gets sorted as a VA album, EVEN IF album artist is Frank sinatra for ALL tags for that album. it has ALWAYS been this way, as far as i can tell. also note that SC7 allows you to display but not sort by album artist. the reason you only see the who displayed is b/c u set SC7 to do so, you told it list albums by band but that only means FOR DISPLAY not for sorting. as to why yours sort properly, maybe its b/c album artist comes first in your tags, or maybe its b/c they both start with the who take the who out of your artist tag and just leave the high numbers and i expect you'd get a different result. -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 (primary) / SBR (secondary) / Jive - w/SC 7.0.1beta - Win XP Pro SP2 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram - D-Link DIR-655 MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45280 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Greatest Hits problem?
slimkid;284872 Wrote: I believe that albums are sorted by the highest sorting artist - it may be the album artist or it might be not. I definitely see albums listed by albumartist at wrong spots sort wise. In your case, Snarly, artist and albumartist are effectively the same. Hrrm, perhaps. It should definitely behave as it is seeming to behave for me: that is the whole point of setting albumartist, to train the software to sort it there when sorting by album... Not sure what other use the tag would even have. I am not sure why you say they are effectively the same, though: Code: [gimli:~/mp3/The Who/Thirty Years of Maximum RB] 3:40:14pm 171 % id3v2 -l *mp3 | egrep '^TPE1 .* High' | wc -l 4 [gimli:~/mp3/The Who/Thirty Years of Maximum RB] 3:40:20pm 172 % id3v2 -l *mp3 | egrep '^TPE1 .* Who' | wc -l 91 Ie, 4/95 tracks are credited to The High Numbers, not The Who. So why is this showing up under The Who, where I would expect it to be? (Since albumartist is The Who. That should be where to sort it.) As for MrSinatra... take the who out of your artist tag and just leave the high numbers and i expect you'd get a different result. The Who is not in the TPE1 on 4 of those tracks. Code: TIT2 (Title/songname/content description): I'm the Face TPE1 (Lead performer(s)/Soloist(s)): The High Numbers TRCK (Track number/Position in set): 2/29 TDEN (): frame XSOP (): frame TCMP (): frame TXXX (User defined text information): (MusicIP PUID): 5c44d7dd-9235-3242-b7db-85737ad760e8 TXXX (User defined text information): (MusicBrainz Artist Id): 02c518bb-1651-4610-b9cd-4a85c435b0e8 TXXX (User defined text information): (MusicBrainz Album Id): 391e462e-e8f0-4141-8add-11fdfcd973ee TXXX (User defined text information): (MusicBrainz Album Type): compilation TXXX (User defined text information): (MusicBrainz Album Status): official TXXX (User defined text information): (MusicBrainz Album Artist Id): 9fdaa16b-a6c4-4831-b87c-bc9ca8ce7eaa TXXX (User defined text information): (MusicBrainz Album Artist): The Who TXXX (User defined text information): (MusicBrainz Album Artist Sortname): Who, The UFID (Unique file identifier): http://musicbrainz.org, 36 bytes XDOR (): frame TORY (Original release year): 1994 TYER (Year): 1994 TXXX (User defined text information): (MusicBrainz Non-Album): 0 COMM (Comments): (ID3v1 Comment)[XXX]: freedbID : BC11C51D TPOS (Part of a set): 1/4 TALB (Album/Movie/Show title): Thirty Years of Maximum R B If you mean remove The Who from the Album Artist, um, well, no, that would be silly: the whole point is the interpretation of Album Artist, so setting it to something else would be silly. (And yes, SC does interpret the MB Album Artist - the album artist field.) Perhaps that is an indicator of the difference we see... my ALBUMARTIST is 'native' (ie, SC treats it as an exact synonym for ALBUMARTIST) but yours is from BAND/TPE2 and subject to the vagaries of that Interpret BAND/TPE2 as album artist checkbox? -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45280 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Greatest Hits problem?
snarlydwarf;284880 Wrote: Perhaps that is an indicator of the difference we see... my ALBUMARTIST is 'native' (ie, SC treats it as an exact synonym for ALBUMARTIST) but yours is from BAND/TPE2 and subject to the vagaries of that Interpret BAND/TPE2 as album artist checkbox? In fact, a quick check appears to demonstrate that is the difference. I deleted the album artist tags from I'm Your Fan a tribute to Leonard Cohen and set TPE2 to Cohen. The album sorted into god knows where. I then did: eyeD3 --set-user-text=ALBUMARTIST:Leonard Cohen *mp3 Setting, specifically, the ALBUMARTIST tag to be Cohen, and it is back to sorting nicely. So there you have your bug: TPE2/BAND does not act -exactly- like ALBUMARTIST does. ALBUMARTIST itself (or variants, like the MB tag) seems to work fine. -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45280 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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SNARLY: you said this is what your tags say: Code: Album: Thirty Years of Maximum R B Album Artist: The Who Artist: The Who, The High Numbers Year: 1994 Duration: 129:58 the who is therefore in your artist tag, no? regardless, i am not sure what or how your setup is done or defined, all i can tell you is i am using a very generic setup, (EAC, LAME, and Winamp) to do my tags, (and i have winamp set to NOT guess, so i see what is actually in the tags) and SC7 gets it wrong. SC7 does NOT, repeat, NOT sort by my album artist tags. it does DISPLAY the tag, b/c i told it to by telling it list albums by band but it does NOT sort them that way. -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 (primary) / SBR (secondary) / Jive - w/SC 7.0.1beta - Win XP Pro SP2 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram - D-Link DIR-655 MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45280 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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i should also add that album artist albumartist and band are all TPE2 tags and should all act the same as far as SC7 is concerned. (as to whether they actually do in practice, i can't say) as far as i can tell, my tags are of the album artist or albumartist variety. -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 (primary) / SBR (secondary) / Jive - w/SC 7.0.1beta - Win XP Pro SP2 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram - D-Link DIR-655 MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45280 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Greatest Hits problem?
MrSinatra;284884 Wrote: the who is therefore in your artist tag, no? Um, no That is from the -album- and The Who is listed as the artist on 91 tracks. They are -exclusively- listed on those tracks. On the other 4 tracks, The High Numbers are listed. The Who is not. Removing The Who from 91 tracks would be dumb: they performed them. And as I said, they are not on the other 4, so they can't be removed. So, yes, the album will show both artists. It would be broken if it dropped either of the artists from the -album- display. regardless, i am not sure what or how your setup is done or defined, all i can tell you is i am using a very generic setup, (EAC, LAME, and Winamp) to do my tags, (and i have winamp set to NOT guess, so i see what is actually in the tags) and SC7 gets it wrong. SC7 does NOT, repeat, NOT sort by my album artist tags. Do you -have- ALBUMARTIST tags? Or are you talking about TPE2? it does DISPLAY the tag, b/c i told it to by telling it list albums by band but it does NOT sort them that way. And mine does. See my prior post. Many taggers allow you to set user text frames which are basically free-form tags. (Musicbrainz uses these to insert its own identifiers, many encoders use it to insert their own identity... it is very common and any decent tagger should support it... I dunno about winamp's tagging abilities, but mp3tag I know supports user text frames.) that said, I would buy into a bug report that TPE2 is not being treated exactly as ALBUMARTIST is. I am not sure on what use displaying, but not sorting on that field would be. That would seem inconsistent. But I still say sorting by ALBUMARTIST appears to be working exactly right for me. -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45280 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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it may be working for you b/c SC7 may know or understand how to deal with your MB tags better than a much more generic setup, ie. mine. is there a program that will show me in non-nonsense style exactly what is in my tags? i will then post it. (it may be a while, as i am supposed to be out ther door) -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 (primary) / SBR (secondary) / Jive - w/SC 7.0.1beta - Win XP Pro SP2 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram - D-Link DIR-655 MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45280 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Greatest Hits problem?
MrSinatra;284886 Wrote: i should also add that album artist albumartist and band are all TPE2 tags and should all act the same as far as SC7 is concerned. (as to whether they actually do in practice, i can't say) as far as i can tell, my tags are of the album artist or albumartist variety. They are NOT the same. Perhaps your tagger does not support ALBUMARTIST. Mine do (Picard, eyeD3, id3v2, mp3tag). This is the point of confusion and why you see differing results: You are setting TPE2 and expect it to behave like ALBUMARTIST, which it does not do. (Again, I would agree that is a bug: I don't see any reason why it would not behave as ALBUMARTIST, but I may be missing something..) I am setting ALBUMARTIST, and it behaves correctly. -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45280 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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MrSinatra;284891 Wrote: like i said, mine ARE album artist as far as i know. i was just saying that album artist and band are BOTH tpe2 tags, i wasn't saying my tags SAY tpe2. ??? You are confusing me. Mine are NOT TPE2. Go back and see the tag on that High Numbers track. Note that the ALBUMARTIST is set, not via TPE2, but a TXXX (user defined text frame) field. The contents of that field are the label and data, the label being 'Musicbrainz Album Artist' and the data being The Who). This is handled by SC exactly the same as TXXX: ALBUMARTIST=The Who. Or the same as an Ogg comment of ´ALBUMARTIST=The Who' It is -not- handled the same way as a TPE2 tag. Again, I believe that TPE2 probably should (if you have checked the checkbox) be treated the same as ALBUMARTIST, and that would give you the results that you want. But please do not confuse the matter by claiming that TPE2 is ALBUMARTIST. ALBUMARTIST has a specific value in SC and it is NOT TPE2. You may -want- it to be that, and again, I would agree that would probably be a good change... but right now it is NOT the same. This is why you and I see different behavior: I am using ALBUMARTIST, and you are using TPE2. -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45280 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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I have a folder structure. artist/album/01 Track.wma A single Folder.jpg file for each album. I have Aerosmith's and ZZ Top's greatest hits. When I go to Aerosmith and look at the albums, I see Greatest Hits with the proper Aerosmith cover art but I see ZZ Top as the artist below the album. The songs in the album are correct and are the Aerosmith songs. ??? -- Jeff Flowerday Jeff Flowerday's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15883 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45280 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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thats interesting. so in album art view, u see the aerosmith album (with other albums before and after it) but it says by ZZtop ? yes? i'm assuming you have told SC to List albums by band which is the TPE2 tag aka the albumartist tag. if so, then it means one of two things: your aerosmith tags say zz top is the tpe2 field, which i doubt, or the more likely possibility: zz top has zz top in the tpe2 tag field, and because the name of the album is exactly the same, SC7 has assigned that value to all albums with that name. try this experiment: change the tags for the aerosmith tracks to say greatest hits (aerosmith) and see what happens. u might also try changing the album dir/folder name to that as well, but i don't think u have to. i am very interested to hear your results. could be a bug is needed to be filed. -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 (primary) / SBR (secondary) / Jive - w/SC 7.0.1beta - Win XP Pro SP2 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram - D-Link DIR-655 MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45280 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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so will u try the experiment? -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 (primary) / SBR (secondary) / Jive - w/SC 7.0.1beta - Win XP Pro SP2 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram - D-Link DIR-655 MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45280 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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MrSinatra;284528 Wrote: thats interesting. so in album art view, u see the aerosmith album (with other albums before and after it) but it says by ZZtop ? yes? Yes that is correct. -- Jeff Flowerday Jeff Flowerday's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15883 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45280 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Greatest Hits problem?
They both have the appropriate names in Album Artist tag in all the files. I just double checked that. When you say list albums by band, do you mean the check box Band/Orchestra on the Library tab? If so then no I didn't have that on. I'm just rebuilding now, I have 25000 songs so it takes a bit. What's weird is that Bob Seager's greatest hits is fine. I wonder if it's first artist A and last artist Z related. Though that would be a wild bug. As for your experiment I'll try it shortly if it's still messed up after this rebuild. -- Jeff Flowerday Jeff Flowerday's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15883 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45280 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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how do you check your tags? in winamp you have to set it to not guess when it reads tags. also, album artist and band are both tpe2 tags. and what i was asking about is under where you put the checkmark. Composer, Band and Orchestra in ArtistsSong information about composers, bands and orchestras can be included in the artists list for browsing and search. Composer Conductor Band/Orchestra Compilations You can choose to have compilation albums appear together under Various Artists or have them appear under each artist in the compilation. List compilation albums under each artist Group compilation albums together Albums that contain songs that are tagged with a band may be listed under that band name or with the other artists for that album. The band tag is also known as TPE2 and may appear as the album artist in some software. List albums by all artists for that album *List albums by band* -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 (primary) / SBR (secondary) / Jive - w/SC 7.0.1beta - Win XP Pro SP2 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram - D-Link DIR-655 MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45280 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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so do you list albums by band? again, its an option under where the checkmark goes. i have all 3 checkmarks UNchecked, but i still list by band. -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 (primary) / SBR (secondary) / Jive - w/SC 7.0.1beta - Win XP Pro SP2 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram - D-Link DIR-655 MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45280 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Greatest Hits problem?
MrSinatra;284540 Wrote: how do you check your tags? in winamp you have to set it to not guess when it reads tags. I'm using DBPowerAmp when looking at and changing tags. -- Jeff Flowerday Jeff Flowerday's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15883 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45280 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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MrSinatra;284542 Wrote: so do you list albums by band? again, its an option under where the checkmark goes. i have all 3 checkmarks UNchecked, but i still list by band. Yes that is exactly what I had. 3 checks were unchecked. List albums by band was on. -- Jeff Flowerday Jeff Flowerday's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15883 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45280 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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I'm wondering if I should update the Band tag with what's in the Album Artist tag? -- Jeff Flowerday Jeff Flowerday's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15883 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45280 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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as far as i know, both band and album artist tags are tpe2 tags and essentially treated the same by most programs. u have both in your tags? were they both filled out? i'm trying to guess at why SC7 is getting it wrong, but its hard to do without knowing your exact circumstances. btw, i have both those CDs too, but mine don't do what yours do. i would guess its b/c i put the band name (band name) in parenthesis after the album name for common names to albums like greatest hits. but that is only a workaround, it doesn't explain what is wrong with either SC7 or your tags, but clearly something is amiss. -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 (primary) / SBR (secondary) / Jive - w/SC 7.0.1beta - Win XP Pro SP2 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram - D-Link DIR-655 MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45280 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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I'm thinking it may be Disc of Disc related. DBPoweramp populates those tags. Windows Media Player doesn't. Windows Media players created Greatest Hits stuff is fine. I've deleted those tags from Aerosmith and I'm just recreating my library, I'll let you know what I find out... -- Jeff Flowerday Jeff Flowerday's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15883 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45280 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Confirmed Disc 1/1 tag on these albums is causing the problem. I removed the tag and all is well. -- Jeff Flowerday Jeff Flowerday's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15883 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45280 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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then that suggests a bug should be filed for SC7 if the tag was being used properly. i still wonder what would have happened had u left it as is and renamed the album name tags. i don't understand however, why that tag would connect those two albums. -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 (primary) / SBR (secondary) / Jive - w/SC 7.0.1beta - Win XP Pro SP2 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram - D-Link DIR-655 MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45280 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Greatest Hits problem?
TomS;283668 Wrote: Okay, removing the DISCNUMBER=1/1 comment from the flac files solved that, except for one pesky cd which insists on going into the VA category despite the fact that there is no compilation flag or discnumber. I'll figure that out. (Edit: I see that I have to force COMPILATION=0 [as opposed to no COMPILATION info at all] on some albums with guest performers) Keep in mind that SC treats albums as a compilation if it finds more than one artist. One solution is to tag the files with COMPILATION=0 (as you did). If I'm correct this will however lead to the album being listed as album by artist A, artist B and the album will be listed under both artists. I usually don't list guest performers in the artist field but append them to the track title, eg. (feat. artist A) Guest artists don't appear in the artist list this way but they can still be found by a quick search. I don't want albums to be listed under an artist if that artist only appears as a guest performer on one or two songs on the album. YMMV, of course. -s. -- slimpy slimpy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1524 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45280 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Greatest Hits problem?
Did you put them in the same directory? or are the different albums in different directories? (Hint: if they are in the same directory, how will SC know they are different albums? How does it not know that you have some big VA album?) Also, since you copied this from Windows, are your permissions right? -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45280 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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all in their own directory, structure is: artist/album/tracknum-trackname so /music/Tom Jones/Greatest Hits/01-trackname.flac and /music/Janis Joplin/Greatest Hits/01-a diff trackname.flac Permissions are wide open on this mounted USB drive (777 all the way - I know that isn't perfect maybe but it works for now). I am thinking of trashing my /var/lib/squeezecenter/cache to make sure I'm starting clean...is that worth doing? Tom -- TomS TomS's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12525 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45280 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Greatest Hits problem?
Remove the DISCNUMBER from the flac comments. This only works for single-disc albums. If you have multi-disc albums you might want to append the artist name to the album title. Squeezecenter groups albums with the same name together if a DISCNUMBER tag is set (for multi-disc albums which can reside in one directory per disc). Can you check if the missing albums appear in Artists - Various artists? -s. -- slimpy slimpy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1524 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45280 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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I'm sure many of these do indeed have a DISCNUMBER comment, which I will remove (since they are all single disc). I can check the Various Artists when I get home tonight but from memory I don't think they were in there (but perhaps they were all grouped into one which I missed). I will correct tags and rescan (tonight). Thanks much, Tom -- TomS TomS's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12525 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45280 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Greatest Hits problem?
TomS;283244 Wrote: I am running: SqueezeCenter Version: 7.0 - 17793 - Debian - EN - iso-8859-1 Server IP address: 192.168.5.3 Perl Version: 5.8.8 i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi MySQL Version: 5.0.45-Debian_1ubuntu3.3 I have 7 artists who have albums titled Greatest Hits. For any artist who (in my collection) only has a Greatest Hits album, they are nowhere to be found in the Artists list (on SC or SS or the SB3). If I go to Albums, only 2 of the seven are listed, and if I go to a specific artist who has other albums besides Greatest Hits, I get the wrong thumbnail cover.jpg in SC (although once I select it, it does show the right one). I have checked the tagging and all is correct there (see output from metaflac at bottom). Another weird thing - I have a duplicate (backup) disk on a windows box and it works fine (maybe not a final sc 70 on windows, can't remember: SqueezeCenter Version: 7.0 - 17491 - Windows XP - EN - cp1252) Permissions on linux are totally open for the music folder and I can browse to it and play fine via Music Folder (but they don't get added to the library ). Here's sample output from metaflac --list, which shows an artist (and album artist) of Tom Jones, but nowhere can I see Tom Jones in my collection unless I browse via Music Folder. Advanced Search fails as well. METADATA block #1 type: 4 (VORBIS_COMMENT) is last: false length: 416 vendor string: reference libFLAC 1.2.0 20070715 comments: 15 comment[0]: Album=Greatest Hits comment[1]: AccurateRipResult=AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 4) [0647B2C3] comment[2]: AccurateRipDiscID=023-003b22a9-03eca027-40121217-15 comment[3]: Title=Till comment[4]: Artist=Tom Jones comment[5]: Album Artist=Tom Jones comment[6]: Genre=Rock comment[7]: Date=2003 comment[8]: Composer=Charles Danvers comment[9]: Composer=Carl Sigman comment[10]: DISCNUMBER=1/1 comment[11]: UPC=042288286325 comment[12]: Style=Pop comment[13]: Style=Vocal Pop comment[14]: TRACKNUMBER=15 - Any thoughts? Thanks, Tom S. I've actually got two or three albums labeled 'Greatest Hits', and I run into a similar issue in that they are mixed up when I go to look at the album. I don't have the album art issue, though, because all of my album art is embedded in the actual music files... -- Diranged Diranged's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13773 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45280 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Greatest Hits problem?
There used to be an option in 6.x to exclude common album titles like Greatest Hits, Best of ... not sure where this went in 7.x -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with Good Vibrations S/W - MF X-DAC V3/X-PSU/X-10 buffer (Audiocomm full mods)- Linn 5103 - Linn Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber Chord cables Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45280 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Greatest Hits problem?
Phil Leigh;283567 Wrote: There used to be an option in 6.x to exclude common album titles like Greatest Hits, Best of ... not sure where this went in 7.x It's long gone. It disappeared when compilation and multi-disc handling was redone. I think it was in 6.5 -s. -- slimpy slimpy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1524 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45280 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Greatest Hits problem?
slimpy;283582 Wrote: It's long gone. It disappeared when compilation and multi-disc handling was redone. I think it was in 6.5 -s. Ah...I could never get 6.5 to work... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with Good Vibrations S/W - MF X-DAC V3/X-PSU/X-10 buffer (Audiocomm full mods)- Linn 5103 - Linn Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber Chord cables Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45280 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Greatest Hits problem?
Okay, removing the DISCNUMBER=1/1 comment from the flac files solved that, except for one pesky cd which insists on going into the VA category despite the fact that there is no compilation flag or discnumber. I'll figure that out. But this brings me to my next question- I wonder what other duplicate names I have in my collection. Does anyone have any unix shell script or even windows something that will show me duplicate album names based on flac tags? I'd even take duplicate folder/directory names as for the most part they are equivalent. Thanks, Tom -- TomS TomS's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12525 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45280 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Greatest Hits problem?
i'm on windows... and i have a lot of issues i want to post about eventually regarding how SC handles tags, but what i did was use winamp to handle tagging, and its worked great (in so far as what it does). so, ones to look for: greatest hits best of millenium collection definitive collection encore collection typically what i do is add band name to it, (ie. the tag) so like this: greatest hits (heart) or something like that. you also want to look at the artist and albumartist or band tags. btw, with winamp, you can sort columns very quickly, so you could have albums sorted by track #s in album, and sort the biggest to the top and make sure many albums aren't grouped together just b/c they share the same album name. -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 (primary) / SBR (secondary) / Jive - w/SC 7.0.1beta - Win XP Pro SP2 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram - D-Link DIR-655 MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45280 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Greatest Hits problem?
I am running: SqueezeCenter Version: 7.0 - 17793 - Debian - EN - iso-8859-1 Server IP address: 192.168.5.3 Perl Version: 5.8.8 i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi MySQL Version: 5.0.45-Debian_1ubuntu3.3 I have 7 artists who have albums titled Greatest Hits. For any artist who (in my collection) only has a Greatest Hits album, they are nowhere to be found in the Artists list (on SC or SS or the SB3). If I go to Albums, only 2 of the seven are listed, and if I go to a specific artist who has other albums besides Greatest Hits, I get the wrong thumbnail cover.jpg in SC (although once I select it, it does show the right one). I have checked the tagging and all is correct there (see output from metaflac at bottom). Another weird thing - I have a duplicate (backup) disk on a windows box and it works fine (maybe not a final sc 70 on windows, can't remember: SqueezeCenter Version: 7.0 - 17491 - Windows XP - EN - cp1252) Permissions on linux are totally open for the music folder and I can browse to it and play fine via Music Folder (but they don't get added to the library ). Here's sample output from metaflac --list, which shows an artist (and album artist) of Tom Jones, but nowhere can I see Tom Jones in my collection unless I browse via Music Folder. Advanced Search fails as well. METADATA block #1 type: 4 (VORBIS_COMMENT) is last: false length: 416 vendor string: reference libFLAC 1.2.0 20070715 comments: 15 comment[0]: Album=Greatest Hits comment[1]: AccurateRipResult=AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 4) [0647B2C3] comment[2]: AccurateRipDiscID=023-003b22a9-03eca027-40121217-15 comment[3]: Title=Till comment[4]: Artist=Tom Jones comment[5]: Album Artist=Tom Jones comment[6]: Genre=Rock comment[7]: Date=2003 comment[8]: Composer=Charles Danvers comment[9]: Composer=Carl Sigman comment[10]: DISCNUMBER=1/1 comment[11]: UPC=042288286325 comment[12]: Style=Pop comment[13]: Style=Vocal Pop comment[14]: TRACKNUMBER=15 - Any thoughts? Thanks, Tom S. -- TomS TomS's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12525 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45280 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Greatest Hits problem?
Okay, I decided to do a full rescan. I happened to browse to this artist (Tom Jones) after it was scanned but before the various artists merge. No problem there until after the various artists merge and now we're back to the problem again. Any thoughts? These albums are not tagged as compilations.. Tom -- TomS TomS's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12525 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45280 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Greatest Hits
I thought this had been solved; but in 6.5.1 I now have found that I have four different Albums merged under the name name, 'Greatest Hits' - with no separate listing of the Artists under Artists either. Any ideas how to separate them? Neil ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Greatest Hits grouping question
My Greatest Hits albums are getting grouped under Various Artists, even tho the artist tag is the same for each of the albums (eg Chicago, Aerosmith, etc). I tried changing the setting for Common Album Titles and re-scanning, but the artist (eg Chicago) still doesn't show up under Browse/Artists, only under Various Artists. Anyone offer some help on what I may be doing wrong? Thanx! -- joncourage joncourage's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2837 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20749 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
