Re: [slim] Help me set up VPN for remote playback w/ iPeng etc
If you secure SSH with those rules I don't see why you couldn't use it for playback & browsing as well. Things like neorouter always have issues. *Vortexbox LMS 7.8 music on QNAP TS419p via NFS* iThingys/iPeng/Tablets *Living Room* - SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 - > Celestion Ditton F20s - Zone 2 -> Sony TA FE 320 -> Sennheiser RS 130 & B P7 *Office* - RPi -> Sony TA FE320 -> Celestion F10s / SB3 -> Onkyo CRN 755 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - SB Touch -> Topping TP21 -> AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV)* - Amazon Fire TV (SB Player) -> Topping TP20 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102819 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me set up VPN for remote playback w/ iPeng etc
bernt wrote: > Let's see if I done my homework? > > In hosts.deny > sshd:ALL > > In hosts.allow > sshd:my work ip, lokal lan > > In sshd_config > Changed the default port from 22 to > PermitRootLogin no > DenyUsers root > DenyGroups root > AllowUsers user1 Looks correct. Was the squeezelite issue the UDP port forward? *Vortexbox LMS 7.8 music on QNAP TS419p via NFS* iThingys/iPeng/Tablets *Living Room* - SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 - > Celestion Ditton F20s - Zone 2 -> Sony TA FE 320 -> Sennheiser RS 130 & B P7 *Office* - RPi -> Sony TA FE320 -> Celestion F10s / SB3 -> Onkyo CRN 755 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - SB Touch -> Topping TP21 -> AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV)* - Amazon Fire TV (SB Player) -> Topping TP20 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102819 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me set up VPN for remote playback w/ iPeng etc
Let's see if I done my homework? In hosts.deny sshd:ALL In hosts.allow sshd:my work ip, lokal lan In sshd_config Changed the default port from 22 to PermitRootLogin no DenyUsers root DenyGroups root AllowUsers user1 'LastFM' (http://www.last.fm/user/ottovonkopp/) SB Touch Toslink to Audio Pro T20 SB 3 to Audio Pro T3 SB BOOM (R.I.P) Vortexbox@HP SFF iPeng bernt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1342 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102819 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me set up VPN for remote playback w/ iPeng etc
d6jg wrote: > Looks correct if you really want to block root access even on your local > network? It can be handy on a Vortexbox to access via SSH & WinSCP. > Was the squeezelite issue the UDP port forward? I can do su to root. Havent test it with Squeezelite yet. Think I use Neouroter for playback\browsing and ssh for sftp and Winscp. Winscp i about 3 times faster if it don't go through Neurouter. Faster backups. 'LastFM' (http://www.last.fm/user/ottovonkopp/) SB Touch Toslink to Audio Pro T20 SB 3 to Audio Pro T3 SB BOOM (R.I.P) Vortexbox@HP SFF iPeng bernt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1342 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102819 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me set up VPN for remote playback w/ iPeng etc
d6jg wrote: > Warning. Only ever do this if you have changed the Vortexbox password > from the default. Opening SSH to allow access from anywhere is very very > dangerous. You will get portscanned and you will get people trying to > access. Not that I'm using one, but the SSH server on the Vortexbox is ill-configured ? LMS 7.7.5 - 5xRadio, 3xBoom, 4xDuet, 1xTouch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne, JRiver 21, Chromecast Audio, Chromecast v1, Pi B2, Pi B+, 2xPi A+, Odroid-C1, Cubie2 philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102819 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me set up VPN for remote playback w/ iPeng etc
d6jg wrote: > Warning. Only ever do this if you have changed the Vortexbox password > from the default. Opening SSH to allow access from anywhere is very very > dangerous. You will get portscanned and you will get people trying to > access. The password is changed. 'LastFM' (http://www.last.fm/user/ottovonkopp/) SB3 Toslink to Audio Pro T20 SB BOOM (R.I.P) Vortexbox@HP SFF piCoreplayer@Raspberry B iPeng bernt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1342 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102819 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me set up VPN for remote playback w/ iPeng etc
bernt wrote: > The password is changed. so we can call you right now hero? Its not what you do its what tipps you gave others there might be less knowhow then you (even its hard to think that someone exists) D o n t g i v e t i p p s f o r s o m e t h i n g y o u h a v e n o c l u e a b o u t Gruss Jan DJanGo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1516 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102819 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me set up VPN for remote playback w/ iPeng etc
DJanGo wrote: > so we can call you right now hero? > > Its not what you do its what tipps you gave others there might be less > knowhow then you (even its hard to think that someone exists) > > D o n t g i v e t i p p s f o r s o m e t h i n g y o u h a > v e n o c l u e a b o u t Ok, sorry.:( 'LastFM' (http://www.last.fm/user/ottovonkopp/) SB3 Toslink to Audio Pro T20 SB BOOM (R.I.P) Vortexbox@HP SFF piCoreplayer@Raspberry B iPeng bernt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1342 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102819 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me set up VPN for remote playback w/ iPeng etc
bernt wrote: > Hi! > > Found a better way to do it. I'm using Vortexbox that has ssh enabled by > default > > First open port 22 on your FW and redirect it to your Vortexbox. > > Install Serverauditor from AppStore on your iDevice. In Serverauditor > add a new host with your external ip-address or prefered a dynamic dns > name. > > Go to Port Forwarding in Serverauditor and add a New Rule, choose Local, > select your host, set Port From: 9000, destination: 127.0.0.1, set Port > To: 9000. > > Add another rule but use port 3483. > > Start Portforwarding by pressing the rules. > > In iPeng add a server with address 127.0.0.1. > > That's it. Warning. Only ever do this if you have changed the Vortexbox password from the default. Opening SSH to allow access from anywhere is very very dangerous. You will get portscanned and you will get people trying to access. *Vortexbox LMS 7.8 music on QNAP TS419p via NFS* iThingys/iPeng/Tablets *Living Room* - SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 - > Celestion Ditton F20s - Zone 2 -> Sony TA FE 320 -> Sennheiser RS 130 & B P7 *Office* - RPi -> Sony TA FE320 -> Celestion F10s / SB3 -> Onkyo CRN 755 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - SB Touch -> Topping TP21 -> AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV)* - Amazon Fire TV (SB Player) -> Topping TP20 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102819 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me set up VPN for remote playback w/ iPeng etc
d6jg wrote: > Warning. Only ever do this if you have changed the Vortexbox password > from the default. Opening SSH to allow access from anywhere is *VERY > VERY DANGEROUS*. You will get portscanned and you will get people trying > to access. +1..000 wtf? even with a non std password and i dont think some Guy that has that great Idea would use a Password like YAz74!:!74zAY and even that is sorted in secs not hours.. Gruss Jan DJanGo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1516 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102819 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me set up VPN for remote playback w/ iPeng etc
Hi! Found a better way to do it. I'm using Vortexbox that has ssh enabled by default First open port 22 on your FW and redirect it to your Vortexbox. Install Serverauditor from AppStore on your iDevice. In Serverauditor add a new host with your external ip-address or prefered a dynamic dns name. Go to Port Forwarding in Serverauditor and add a New Rule, choose Local, select your host, set Port From: 9000, destination: 127.0.0.1, set Port To: 9000. Add another rule but use port 3483. Start Portforwarding by pressing the rules. In iPeng add a server with address 127.0.0.1. That's it. 'LastFM' (http://www.last.fm/user/ottovonkopp/) SB3 Toslink to Audio Pro T20 SB BOOM (R.I.P) Vortexbox@HP SFF piCoreplayer@Raspberry B iPeng bernt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1342 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102819 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me learn to like Spotify
The Spotify interfaces are awful - each app (LMS, android, Sonos) is different. And the obsolete Starred category is also a mess - it still shows tracks on LMS which I deleted on the main Spotify site. I'm on a trial - think it's going to be binned. Deezer has its faults but not as fruustrating to use as Spotify. Touch - Muse M50 EX TPA3123 T-Amp Mini - Acoustics Q10 speakers Logitech Radio Logitech UE Smart Radio Raspberry Pi + Squeezeplug LMS + Squeezelite Cubieboard + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker O2 Joggler + SqpOS + Aune X2 T-amp + Mordaunt Short ms-3.40 speakers IBOX + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker Squeeze2upnp - Sonos Play1 Vistron internet radio (Reciva) Pure One Flow castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103687 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me learn to like Spotify
I can't really add anything although I've used spotify since moving from MOG. But I use it in a very specific way: If I hear/read about an artist or an album or song and I don't have it, I use Spotify to find it, and if there can play it and add it to a playlist (not really a playlist in the typical sense, but because the only way I can save things that work across my LMS and my PC and iphone spotify controls is to save within a named playlist rather than saving album or artist). For me, Spotify is more of a mechanism to get an advance listen before I buy something. So I don't use the radio station function, etc. Although I do use it for listening to lots of Jazz albums that I don't necessarily want to buy (because once I get started down that path with Jazz, it will be a disaster because I'm a completist with artists I like). *Home:* VortexBox 4TB (2.3) LMS 7.8 Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.3) LMS 7.8 Touch Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win7(64) LMS 7.9 Squeezelite *Spares:* Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone6 iPadAir2 (iPeng8 Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win7(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103687 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me learn to like Spotify
Mnyb wrote: I mostly uses spotify with the smartmix plugins dont stop the music function as a way of discover new music that i then later buy . Dont stop the music continues your playlist with a mix of tracks from you own library and/or tracks from your music services aha. I forgot that I also use smartmix and tick the spotify box to mix spotify with my own tracks. This works nicely. *Home:* VortexBox 4TB (2.3) LMS 7.8 Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.3) LMS 7.8 Touch Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win7(64) LMS 7.9 Squeezelite *Spares:* Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone6 iPadAir2 (iPeng8 Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win7(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103687 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me learn to like Spotify
Ah, I haven't tried it with SmartMix yet. I'll have to try that. SmartMix never worked too well for me with Rhapsody. It seemed to think I'd like a lot of music in languages I don't understand. ha! But maybe with Spotify it will be better than Spotify's own radio channels. We shall see Is the official Spotify LMS app any better than the Triode one for navigating? *Sue* -If you're happy and you know it turn the volume up and 'blow it out' (http://www.last.fm/music/The+Features/Exhibit+A/Blow+It+Out).- 1 Touch | 2 Booms | 6 Radios | 1 Duet | 1 SB2 HP Proliant N54G | Logitech Media Server 7.8 | iPhone iPad w/ iPeng Find me on 'Last.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/MeSue) | 'Twitter' (http://twitter.com/suechastain) | 'Rhapsody' (http://www.rhapsody.com/members/mesue) 'My Journey to Musical Bliss' (http://www.geekintheforest.com/musical-bliss/) | 'Squeezebox is Dead. Long Live Squeezebox.' (http://www.geekintheforest.com/long-live-squeezebox/) MeSue's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=985 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103687 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me learn to like Spotify
I mostly uses spotify with the smartmix plugins dont stop the music function as a way of discover new music that i then later buy . Dont stop the music continues your playlist with a mix of tracks from you own library and/or tracks from your music services Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103687 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me learn to like Spotify
MeSue wrote: Is the official Spotify LMS app any better than the Triode one for navigating? No! The stupid Starred is top of the list - it even contains items I deleted from Starred days ago. Touch - Muse M50 EX TPA3123 T-Amp Mini - Acoustics Q10 speakers Logitech Radio Logitech UE Smart Radio Raspberry Pi + Squeezeplug LMS + Squeezelite Cubieboard + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker O2 Joggler + SqpOS + Aune X2 T-amp + Mordaunt Short ms-3.40 speakers IBOX + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker Squeeze2upnp - Sonos Play1 Vistron internet radio (Reciva) Pure One Flow castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103687 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me learn to like Spotify
Wow! The SmartMix works so much better for me with Spotify than it ever did with Rhapsody. And maybe I can use Playlists to simulate the New Music section like Rhapsody. I'll still miss browsing by genres and new releases if I have to give up Rhapsody, which isn't even working right on the Radio and Touch anymore. :mad: *Sue* -If you're happy and you know it turn the volume up and 'blow it out' (http://www.last.fm/music/The+Features/Exhibit+A/Blow+It+Out).- 1 Touch | 2 Booms | 6 Radios | 1 Duet | 1 SB2 HP Proliant N54G | Logitech Media Server 7.8 | iPhone iPad w/ iPeng Find me on 'Last.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/MeSue) | 'Twitter' (http://twitter.com/suechastain) | 'Rhapsody' (http://www.rhapsody.com/members/mesue) 'My Journey to Musical Bliss' (http://www.geekintheforest.com/musical-bliss/) | 'Squeezebox is Dead. Long Live Squeezebox.' (http://www.geekintheforest.com/long-live-squeezebox/) MeSue's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=985 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103687 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me learn to like Spotify
With iPeng 8 and the native Spotify app on iPhone\iPad you can easily copy and paste Spotify URI into iPeng and play any list on your SB. 'LastFM' (http://www.last.fm/user/ottovonkopp/) SB3 Toslink to Audio Pro T20 SB BOOM (R.I.P) Vortexbox@HP SFF piCoreplayer@Raspberry B iPeng bernt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1342 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103687 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me learn to like Spotify
Silence speaks volumes... :D Yesterday I was reminded of another thing I always disliked about Spotify. They mix EPs and singles in with full-length albums. Arg! And they don't even show you the number of tracks so you can figure it out before drilling down. *Sue* -If you're happy and you know it turn the volume up and 'blow it out' (http://www.last.fm/music/The+Features/Exhibit+A/Blow+It+Out).- 1 Touch | 2 Booms | 6 Radios | 1 Duet | 1 SB2 HP Proliant N54G | Logitech Media Server 7.8 | iPhone iPad w/ iPeng Find me on 'Last.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/MeSue) | 'Twitter' (http://twitter.com/suechastain) | 'Rhapsody' (http://www.rhapsody.com/members/mesue) 'My Journey to Musical Bliss' (http://www.geekintheforest.com/musical-bliss/) | 'Squeezebox is Dead. Long Live Squeezebox.' (http://www.geekintheforest.com/long-live-squeezebox/) MeSue's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=985 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103687 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Help me learn to like Spotify
I'm on 3 months for 99 cents while I decide whether to keep Rhapsody or switch to Spotify, but so far I am not feeling it with Spotify. I just can't get into the LMS user interface for navigating Spotify (using Triode's plugin)... how do I browse by Genre? How do you find new releases (whole albums, not just tracks)? I hate that items I add to my library can only be browsed by whether I added them under artists, album or track. (In Rhapsody, everything you save is in one Library and you can find it going to either albums, or artists, or tracks, or--my favorite--New Music.) I also find the radio stations quite sucky. I mostly use streaming music for discovery. I like to browse new releases to see if there's anything new from bands I already like. I look through related artists from artists I like to sample stuff, and I look up artists to sample from Last.fm's recommendations. Sometimes I listen to radio channels (Slacker still rules for that but Rhapsody channels are still so much better than what I have found on Spotify). I'm generally not much of a playlist person. I want to give it a fair chance, so let me hear your suggestions for making the most of Spotify. SUE -If you're happy and you know it turn the volume up and 'blow it out' (http://www.last.fm/music/The+Features/Exhibit+A/Blow+It+Out).- 1 Touch | 2 Booms | 2 Radios | 1 Duet | 1 SB2 HP Proliant N54G | Logitech Media Server 7.8 | iPhone iPad w/ iPeng Find me on 'Last.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/MeSue) | 'Twitter' (http://twitter.com/suechastain) | 'Rhapsody' (http://www.rhapsody.com/members/mesue) 'My Journey to Musical Bliss' (http://www.geekintheforest.com/musical-bliss/) | 'Squeezebox is Dead. Long Live Squeezebox.' (http://www.geekintheforest.com/long-live-squeezebox/) MeSue's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=985 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103687 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me set up VPN for remote playback w/ iPeng etc
Did you manually configure the server? Server discovery might not work through a VPN --- learn more about iPeng, the iPhone and iPad remote for the Squeezebox and Logitech UE Smart Radio as well as iPeng Party, the free Party-App, at penguinlovesmusic.com *New: iPeng 8, the Universal App for iOS 7 and iOS 8* pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102819 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me set up VPN for remote playback w/ iPeng etc
Hi! I have used Neorouter for years. It's free and easy to install. Install Neorouter server on your server and the client on your phone or pc. That's it! If your FW\router don't support upnp you may have to open one port. 'LastFM' (http://www.last.fm/user/ottovonkopp/) SB3 Toslink to Audio Pro T20 SB BOOM (R.I.P) Vortexbox@HP SFF piCoreplayer@Raspberry B iPeng bernt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1342 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102819 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me set up VPN for remote playback w/ iPeng etc
bernt wrote: Hi! I have used Neorouter for years. It's free and easy to install. Install Neorouter server on your server and the client on your phone or pc. That's it! If your FW\router don't support upnp you may have to open one port. I'm not familiar with neorouter, I'll have to look it up. Thanks I want NBC's *-Ed-* on DVD/Blu-ray! 808htfan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1298 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102819 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me set up VPN for remote playback w/ iPeng etc
808htfan wrote: I'm not familiar with neorouter, I'll have to look it up. Thanks One thing, it don't work with iPeng. It only works with some predefined apps like ftp and rdp. Have only used it on my work pc. Sorry! 'LastFM' (http://www.last.fm/user/ottovonkopp/) SB3 Toslink to Audio Pro T20 SB BOOM (R.I.P) Vortexbox@HP SFF piCoreplayer@Raspberry B iPeng bernt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1342 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102819 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me set up VPN for remote playback w/ iPeng etc
808htfan wrote: I think I've managed to get things working with OpenVPN. One thing that took the longest time to figure out was that I needed to download the Windows version of EasyRSA v3.0.0-rc2 zip from https://github.com/OpenVPN/easy-rsa/releases, instead of the zip from https://github.com/OpenVPN/easy-rsa. Didn't figure that out until I stumbled on a forum thread somewhere after Googling something. Also had to check out all the sample config files (not just the client one) included with OpenVPN to get an idea of proper use. The OpenVPN Connect iOS app Help section also pointed out a few things I needed to know: 1) For iOS, Interface type has to be TUN 2) Easiest way for me to include the certs/keys in config is to copy/paste with header/footer, such as ca/ca, etc. 3) Save that .ovpn config as UTF-8 or ASCII Edit: added some tls-auth settings and a static key created with OpenVPN, which it put in its Config folder. There's also a small error in the OpenVPN Connect app's Help section that says to use tls-auth /key headder/footer instead of tls-auth /tls-auth. I configured my router's OpenVPN server this way: VPN server ConfigurationBasic Start with WAN : Yes Interface Type : TUN Protocol : UDP Port : 1194 Firewall : Automatic Authorization Mode : TLS Extra HMAC-authorization : Disabled, EDIT: changed to Incoming (0) VPN subnet/netmask : 10.8.0.0/255.255.255.0 VPN Server Configurationadvanced : Poll Interval : 0 Push LAN to Clients : Yes Direct clients to redirect internet traffic : Yes Respond to DNS : Yes Advertise DNS to clients : Yes Encryption cipher : AES-256-CBC*EDIT: changed to AES-128-CBC Compression : Adaptive*EDIT: changed to Disabled TLS Renegotiation Time : -1 Manage client-specific options : Yes Allow Client-Client : Yes I tested by running the OpenVPN client on my Win7 laptop and connected to router's OpenVPN server by using the router's local IP (192.168.1.x) in the config file. Then used a smartphone setup as a wifi hotspot, connected the iPhone 3GS (I'm using as wifi only device) to said hotspot, then connected to my router's OpenVPN server using the DDNS address I setup with no-ip.com. Just got hold of an Android device not long ago... I've setup an OpenVPN config file and installed the OpenVPN connect app, installed Orange Squeeze and Squeezeplayer, also installed Squeeze Ctrl and SB Player. I have both the remote control of Squeezboxes and playback working so far and they're all really nice. But, I am having a problem connecting to LMS when going thru the VPN. It seems Orange Squeeze and Squeeze Ctrl can't find/connect to the server. My OpenVPN connection says it's connected. I'm using another cell phone's wifi hotspot feature to connect my Android device to 'net, then turning on OVPN. Maybe once or twice OrangeSqueeze connected, but when I try browsing my albums, etc, it just says 'Loading' for so long I give up waiting. Playback, etc with iPeng continues to work pretty well thru the VPN. Any one use and Android device and OpenVPN while also getting remote playback working? Thanks! I want NBC's *-Ed-* on DVD/Blu-ray! 808htfan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1298 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102819 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me set up VPN for remote playback w/ iPeng etc
toby10 wrote: No, because the WiFi signal between your computer and the router for the free/unsecured hotspot is... well unsecured. :) But the data within that connection will be encrypted and unreadable by anyone attempting to intercept it. Win7Pro(x64)[3.3Ghz i5, 8GB RAM, 120GB SSD system, 15TB storage], LMS 7.9.0 - Logitech Squeezebox Classic V.3 - Cambridge Audio DacMagic - NAD C160 - 2 x NAD C272 - Quad 22L2 get.amped's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10022 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102819 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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808htfan wrote: So basically, I was just wondering if it would be safe to use those free/unsecured wifi hotspots for something like online shopping, and not have somebody sniff out our credit card numbers etc... Actually asking for the benefit of other family members... No, because the WiFi signal between your computer and the router for the free/unsecured hotspot is... well unsecured. :) toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102819 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Thanks! I want NBC's *-Ed-* on DVD/Blu-ray! 808htfan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1298 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102819 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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In theory it should but you will find that a lot, probably most, of such hotspots won't allow the VPN pass through. It depends on the equipment in use. You stand a better chance with your setup than with say PPTP mind. QNAP TS419P 4TB LMS7.7.2 *Living Room* - SB3 - Onkyo TS606 connected Digitally - Celestion Ditton F20s - and connected Analogue for Zone 2 - Sony TA FE 320 - Sennheiser RS 130 *Office* - SB3 - Sony TA FE320 - Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* - SB Boom *Kitchen* - UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - SB Touch - Topping TP21 - AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV)* - Amazon Fire TV (SB Player) - Topping TP20 - Wharfedale Modus Cubes Various iThingys with iPeng Tablets etc d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102819 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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808htfan wrote: Another question: With my VPN server setup to 'Direct clients to redirect internet traffic : Yes', does that now make it safe to use free, non-secured wifi hotspots? Assuming that I connect to my VPN server with whatever device I'm using... Thanks again for the help! So basically, I was just wondering if it would be safe to use those free/unsecured wifi hotspots for something like online shopping, and not have somebody sniff out our credit card numbers etc... Actually asking for the benefit of other family members... Me, I'm just interested in the safe, remote access to my Squeezebox library so I can impress the friends next time there's a party at someone's house...ha ha ha! ;) A big Thanks, again, for the help! I want NBC's *-Ed-* on DVD/Blu-ray! 808htfan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1298 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102819 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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About the direct to redirect (huh?) internet traffic thing. If you're an employee in, say, a bank, the admins want to see all the traffic going out and coming in to your computer. To do this the default outgoing route (Internet) has to be through the VPN link, then to the VPN server's default route, and then back to you. This is secure but it makes casual browsing a bit expensive. If you don't force the default route to go through the VPN link, you'll have one route for 10.8.x.x, and a default route pointing to the router on the hotspot you're on. Browsing will be faster but the hotspot router will know what you've done (besides hitting your VPN server.) Basically, if you don't know the purpose of redirecting the default route through the VPN, there is little chance you really need it. 4 SB 3 iPeng (iPhone + iPad) SqueezeLite Squeezebox Server 7.8.1 (Debian 7.5) with plugins: CD Player, WaveInput by bpa IRBlaster by Gwendesign (Felix) Server Power Control by Gordon Harris Smart Mix by Michael Herger PowerSave by Jason Holtzapple Song Info, Song Lyrics by Erland Isaksson WeatherTime by Martin Rehfeld ShairTunes by StuartUSA Local Player, BBC iPlayer, SwitchPlayer by Triode Auto Dim Display, SaverSwitcher, ContextMenu by Peter Watkins. epoch1970's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16711 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102819 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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epoch1970 wrote: - I've quickly gone through the dev.mensfeld.pl guide, it seems to the point; I'd use that, esp. if you are using Tomato as your VPN server. - I've always setup openvpn in a private environment, with a laptop -with personal firewall OFF- as test client, before going all out with the server listening to the WAN port, using certs and all. Not sure Tomato would let you define simplistic tunnel setups (like trying to hop from a home wireless network to a separate home wired network, with no cypher and simple password security), but I'd recommend to tackle the problem as gradually as possible. (Be warned that if the OpenVPN server listens to the WAN, you should test with a client using an outside address, as one obtained from a public wifi hotspot. If the client comes from a private address within your own network you might enter the router 'hairpinning' issue.) - Use easy-rsa (or any GUI helper using it) to generate certs when you go for certificate-based authentication. You can generate credentials on any machine and move them to the target machines afterwards. What target machines/applications will be fussy about is the format of the files (pkcs12, PEM ...) - The openvpn app seems to work on iOS 6.1 onwards; My ipad never leaves home and my iPhone still runs iOS 5, so I've never used it... However: i. you need this app for sure on your iOS devices if you want to use them as OpenVPN clients, ii. your first client would rather be a laptop, debugging will be much easier. I think I've managed to get things working with OpenVPN. One thing that took the longest time to figure out was that I needed to download the Windows version of EasyRSA v3.0.0-rc2 zip from https://github.com/OpenVPN/easy-rsa/releases, instead of the zip from https://github.com/OpenVPN/easy-rsa. Didn't figure that out until I stumbled on a forum thread somewhere after Googling something. Also had to check out all the sample config files (not just the client one) included with OpenVPN to get an idea of proper use. The OpenVPN Connect iOS app Help section also pointed out a few things I needed to know: 1) For iOS, Interface type has to be TUN 2) Easiest way for me to include the certs/keys in config is to copy/paste with header/footer, such as ca/ca, etc. 3) Save that .ovpn config as UTF-8 I configured my router's OpenVPN server this way: VPN server ConfigurationBasic Start with WAN : Yes Interface Type : TUN Protocol : UDP Port : 1194 Firewall : Automatic Authorization Mode : TLS Extra HMAC-authorization : Disabled VPN subnet/netmask : 10.8.0.0/255.255.255.0 VPN Server Configurationadvanced : Poll Interval : 0 Push LAN to Clients : Yes Direct clients to redirect internet traffic : Yes Respond to DNS : Yes Advertise DNS to clients : Yes Encryption cipher : AES-256-CBC Compression : Adaptive TLS Renegotiation Time : -1 Manage client-specific options : Yes Allow Client-Client : Yes I tested by running the OpenVPN client on my Win7 laptop and connected to router's OpenVPN server by using the router's local IP (192.168.1.x) in the config file. Then used a smartphone setup as a wifi hotspot, connected the iPhone 3GS (I'm using as wifi only device) to said hotspot, then connected to my router's OpenVPN server using the DDNS address I setup with no-ip.com. About the 192.168.1.x network: what these guides say is that 192.168.1.0/24 is the most common private network. So, if you're on a wifi hotspot with a 192.168.1.123 LAN address, connect to your OpenVPN server and it tries to serve you with a 192.168.1.56 address because your own network is on 192.168.1.x too, the client will get confused. Moving to 192.168.2.x is a trick supposed to mitigate the issue. I'm sure 192.168.2.x is quite commonly used too. I'd rather recommend moving up to 192.168.255.0/24 (the .255 part of the quad strikes fear in some admins, as it looks like a broadcast address), or better to a -possibly subnetted if you're brave- class-B private network, like 172.[16 to 31].0.0/16. The class-A private network 10.0.0.0/8 is also commonly used but again if you use a subnet like 10.255.255.0/24 I doubt you'll find many conflicting configurations in the outside world. (and since you only seek access to your LMS server, in case you don't want to renumber your home network, you could also run an openvpn client on the LMS server too, and let OpenVPN manage its own network, eg 192.168.255.0/24. AFAIK if LMS runs on a machine with multiple interfaces it will listen to all by default. Just make sure the OpenVPN client on the server has setup its interface before LMS starts up.) I hope this helps and is clear enough. OpenVPN is a fantastic piece of software well worth some initial investment. I don't know if what I did is the correct way to configure Client-to-Client (all I did was check the box in the router setup) but, setup like that, I could connect to LMS and playback through the iPhone 3GS. I wonder now,
Re: [slim] Help me set up VPN for remote playback w/ iPeng etc
Excellent! If I am right, your VPN net is on 10.8.x.x and both the LMS server and clients run an OpenVPN client instance to obtain an address on this network. This is fine and removes the need to renumber your LAN. You might need to change the OVPN server (and clients?) config files if the 10.8.X.X network is also used by your favorite hotspot. If the iOS app is ok with that, you can do without AES-256: AES-128 or Blowfish are much faster. I doubt the router has hardware crypto acceleration, and the 2 links will make it work hard. AES-128 or Blowfish could double the bandwidth, I'd recommend a test. Same goes with adaptive compression: if you stream binary -like music- it won't compress so you might give the router a little relief by disabling compression altogether. I think you do need Client-to-Client, because from the OVPN server standpoint, the LMS server machine and the iPhone are clients. Client-to-client is disabled by default I believe; I think the idea is by default to avoid an invasion of computers personal shares within the VPN network. 4 SB 3 iPeng (iPhone + iPad) SqueezeLite Squeezebox Server 7.8.1 (Debian 7.5) with plugins: CD Player, WaveInput by bpa IRBlaster by Gwendesign (Felix) Server Power Control by Gordon Harris Smart Mix by Michael Herger PowerSave by Jason Holtzapple Song Info, Song Lyrics by Erland Isaksson WeatherTime by Martin Rehfeld ShairTunes by StuartUSA Local Player, BBC iPlayer, SwitchPlayer by Triode Auto Dim Display, SaverSwitcher, ContextMenu by Peter Watkins. epoch1970's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16711 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102819 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Yes the chances of finding yourself on another 10.8. Network are very slim indeed. QNAP TS419P 4TB LMS7.7.2 *Living Room* - SB3 - Onkyo TS606 connected Digitally - Celestion Ditton F20s - and connected Analogue for Zone 2 - Sony TA FE 320 - Sennheiser RS 130 *Office* - SB3 - Sony TA FE320 - Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* - SB Boom *Kitchen* - UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - SB Touch - Topping TP21 - AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV)* - Amazon Fire TV (SB Player) - Topping TP20 - Wharfedale Modus Cubes Various iThingys with iPeng Tablets etc d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102819 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me set up VPN for remote playback w/ iPeng etc
d6jg wrote: Yes the chances of finding yourself on another 10.8. Network are very slim indeed. epoch1970 wrote: Excellent! If I am right, your VPN net is on 10.8.x.x and both the LMS server and clients run an OpenVPN client instance to obtain an address on this network. This is fine and removes the need to renumber your LAN. You might need to change the OVPN server (and clients?) config files if the 10.8.X.X network is also used by your favorite hotspot. If the iOS app is ok with that, you can do without AES-256: AES-128 or Blowfish are much faster. I doubt the router has hardware crypto acceleration, and the 2 links will make it work hard. AES-128 or Blowfish could double the bandwidth, I'd recommend a test. Same goes with adaptive compression: if you stream binary -like music- it won't compress so you might give the router a little relief by disabling compression altogether. I think you do need Client-to-Client, because from the OVPN server standpoint, the LMS server machine and the iPhone are clients. Client-to-client is disabled by default I believe; I think the idea is by default to avoid an invasion of computers personal shares within the VPN network. Thanks for the replies. I will make the changes to encryption and compression. Another question: With my VPN server setup to 'Direct clients to redirect internet traffic : Yes', does that now make it safe to use free, non-secured wifi hotspots? Assuming that I connect to my VPN server with whatever device I'm using... Thanks again for the help! I want NBC's *-Ed-* on DVD/Blu-ray! 808htfan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1298 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102819 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me set up VPN for remote playback w/ iPeng etc
808htfan wrote: I've just setup my router, LMS, and iPeng for playback from outside my network. I'm forwarding ports on my router and only managed to setup user/password for security. For that reason I don't actually use it much, I only turn on the forwarding when I head over to a friend's house, etc., where I know I'll probably use it. I'd like to setup VPN but have no experience doing so. I have an Asus router running a Shibby build of Tomato firmware. In the VPN Tunneling section there are OpenVPN Server, OpenVPN Client, PPTP Server, PPTP Client, PPTP Online options. Which do I setup if any, and how? Can anyone help me, or point me to a guide? Also, what do I need to do on the iOS/Android device? Thanks! Hi! You can also create a dyndns name for your music server. I have done that with great success. Then your router shall forward port 9000 and 3483 TCP/UDP. Put in user/password in LMS . I have created an account on www.dyndns.org. Was free earlier but costs a small amount now for a year. Then you can access your music everywhere by putting in your dyndns name as a servername xx.dyndns.org:9000 . You can set this up in iPeng and Squeezeplayer too. I enjoy this very much when travelling in train to work every day, and I also have a little iPod dock on my desk, that can play my music from home. A very nice soloution. Callesoroe Living room: Transporter, Tact RCS 2.2X digital preamp, Martin Logan Vista speakers, AMPS(Icepower): Acoustic Reality Ear Enigma PLUS(PANELS), Acoustic Reality Ear TWO MKII(Bas) Kitchen: Transporter, Prodipe Pro 5 active bi-amp speakers. Bedroom: Receiver+UE boombox, Kids: Receiver+Active speakers, WIMP-HIFI flac streaming. callesoroe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22693 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102819 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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808htfan wrote: Also, the guide suggests I change the subnet from 192.168.1.1 to something else because of potential conflicts. Does that matter if I'm only connecting a few clients from the outside to my router? Thanks! This is a good recommendation. You will likely experience IP conflicts if the remote LAN also uses 192.168.1.x addressing (the default for many consumer broadband routers). It's a one-time change that will cause a small disruption when you do it but will be worth it in the long run. Win7Pro(x64)[3.3Ghz i5, 8GB RAM, 120GB SSD system, 15TB storage], LMS 7.9.0 - Logitech Squeezebox Classic V.3 - Cambridge Audio DacMagic - NAD C160 - 2 x NAD C272 - Quad 22L2 get.amped's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10022 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102819 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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808htfan wrote: I also found this, http://dev.mensfeld.pl/2014/07/setting-up-a-vpn-server-on-a-tomato-router-wrt54gl/ I've downloaded OpenVPN for Win here http://openvpn.net/index.php/open-source/downloads.html, and the easyrsa zip from here https://github.com/OpenVPN/easy-rsa I think I can manage generating the certificates as shown in one/both of the guides. As for the iOS device, I don't see an OpenVPN section in Settings--General--VPN. It's an old iPhone 3GS a friend gave me to use as a wifi only device, so it's stuck on iOS 6. Do I need to put something like the OpenVPN Connect app https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/openvpn-connect/id590379981?mt=8 on it? Also, the guide suggests I change the subnet from 192.168.1.1 to something else because of potential conflicts. Does that matter if I'm only connecting a few clients from the outside to my router? Thanks! - I've quickly gone through the dev.mensfeld.pl guide, it seems to the point; I'd use that, esp. if you are using Tomato as your VPN server. - I've always setup openvpn in a private environment, with a laptop -with personal firewall OFF- as test client, before going all out with the server listening to the WAN port, using certs and all. Not sure Tomato would let you define simplistic tunnel setups (like trying to hop from a home wireless network to a separate home wired network, with no cypher and simple password security), but I'd recommend to tackle the problem as gradually as possible. (Be warned that if the OpenVPN server listens to the WAN, you should test with a client using an outside address, as one obtained from a public wifi hotspot. If the client comes from a private address within your own network you might enter the router 'hairpinning' issue.) - Use easy-rsa (or any GUI helper using it) to generate certs when you go for certificate-based authentication. You can generate credentials on any machine and move them to the target machines afterwards. What target machines/applications will be fussy about is the format of the files (pkcs12, PEM ...) - The openvpn app seems to work on iOS 6.1 onwards; My ipad never leaves home and my iPhone still runs iOS 5, so I've never used it... However: i. you need this app for sure on your iOS devices if you want to use them as OpenVPN clients, ii. your first client would rather be a laptop, debugging will be much easier. About the 192.168.1.x network: what these guides say is that 192.168.1.0/24 is the most common private network. So, if you're on a wifi hotspot with a 192.168.1.123 LAN address, connect to your OpenVPN server and it tries to serve you with a 192.168.1.56 address because your own network is on 192.168.1.x too, the client will get confused. Moving to 192.168.2.x is a trick supposed to mitigate the issue. I'm sure 192.168.2.x is quite commonly used too. I'd rather recommend moving up to 192.168.255.0/24 (the .255 part of the quad strikes fear in some admins, as it looks like a broadcast address), or better to a -possibly subnetted if you're brave- class-B private network, like 172.[16 to 31].0.0/16. The class-A private network 10.0.0.0/8 is also commonly used but again if you use a subnet like 10.255.255.0/24 I doubt you'll find many conflicting configurations in the outside world. I hope this helps and is clear enough. OpenVPN is a fantastic piece of software well worth some initial investment. 4 SB 3 iPeng (iPhone + iPad) SqueezeLite Squeezebox Server 7.8.1 (Debian 7.5) with plugins: CD Player, WaveInput by bpa IRBlaster by Gwendesign (Felix) Server Power Control by Gordon Harris Smart Mix by Michael Herger PowerSave by Jason Holtzapple Song Info, Song Lyrics by Erland Isaksson WeatherTime by Martin Rehfeld ShairTunes by StuartUSA Local Player, BBC iPlayer, SwitchPlayer by Triode Auto Dim Display, SaverSwitcher, ContextMenu by Peter Watkins. epoch1970's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16711 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102819 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me set up VPN for remote playback w/ iPeng etc
callesoroe wrote: Hi! You can also create a dyndns name for your music server. I have done that with great success. Then your router shall forward port 9000 and 3483 TCP/UDP. Put in user/password in LMS . I have created an account on www.dyndns.org. Was free earlier but costs a small amount now for a year. Then you can access your music everywhere by putting in your dyndns name as a servername xx.dyndns.org:9000 . You can set this up in iPeng and Squeezeplayer too. I enjoy this very much when travelling in train to work every day, and I also have a little iPod dock on my desk, that can play my music from home. A very nice soloution. I didn't mention it, but I have setup ddns with no-ip.com. I've setup user/password in LMS also, but wanted to try VPN for better security. Also, just wanted to learn about VPN use. get.amped wrote: This is a good recommendation. You will likely experience IP conflicts if the remote LAN also uses 192.168.1.x addressing (the default for many consumer broadband routers). It's a one-time change that will cause a small disruption when you do it but will be worth it in the long run. epoch1970 wrote: - I've quickly gone through the dev.mensfeld.pl guide, it seems to the point; I'd use that, esp. if you are using Tomato as your VPN server. - I've always setup openvpn in a private environment, with a laptop -with personal firewall OFF- as test client, before going all out with the server listening to the WAN port, using certs and all. Not sure Tomato would let you define simplistic tunnel setups (like trying to hop from a home wireless network to a separate home wired network, with no cypher and simple password security), but I'd recommend to tackle the problem as gradually as possible. (Be warned that if the OpenVPN server listens to the WAN, you should test with a client using an outside address, as one obtained from a public wifi hotspot. If the client comes from a private address within your own network you might enter the router 'hairpinning' issue.) - Use easy-rsa (or any GUI helper using it) to generate certs when you go for certificate-based authentication. You can generate credentials on any machine and move them to the target machines afterwards. What target machines/applications will be fussy about is the format of the files (pkcs12, PEM ...) - The openvpn app seems to work on iOS 6.1 onwards; My ipad never leaves home and my iPhone still runs iOS 5, so I've never used it... However: i. you need this app for sure on your iOS devices if you want to use them as OpenVPN clients, ii. your first client would rather be a laptop, debugging will be much easier. About the 192.168.1.x network: what these guides say is that 192.168.1.0/24 is the most common private network. So, if you're on a wifi hotspot with a 192.168.1.123 LAN address, connect to your OpenVPN server and it tries to serve you with a 192.168.1.56 address because your own network is on 192.168.1.x too, the client will get confused. Moving to 192.168.2.x is a trick supposed to mitigate the issue. I'm sure 192.168.2.x is quite commonly used too. I'd rather recommend moving up to 192.168.255.0/24 (the .255 part of the quad strikes fear in some admins, as it looks like a broadcast address), or better to a -possibly subnetted if you're brave- class-B private network, like 172.[16 to 31].0.0/16. The class-A private network 10.0.0.0/8 is also commonly used but again if you use a subnet like 10.255.255.0/24 I doubt you'll find many conflicting configurations in the outside world. (and since you only seek access to your LMS server, in case you don't want to renumber your home network, you could also run an openvpn client on the LMS server too, and let OpenVPN manage its own network, eg 192.168.255.0/24. AFAIK if LMS runs on a machine with multiple interfaces it will listen to all by default. Just make sure the OpenVPN client on the server has setup its interface before LMS starts up.) I hope this helps and is clear enough. OpenVPN is a fantastic piece of software well worth some initial investment. Thanks for the additional info! I will get started shortly. I want NBC's *-Ed-* on DVD/Blu-ray! 808htfan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1298 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102819 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me set up VPN for remote playback w/ iPeng etc
808htfan wrote: Thank you for the explanation. I guess I will start with PPTP, I'd also like to learn how to use OpenVPN. Regarding OpenVPN and Tomato, I found this http://www.serverwatch.com/tutorials/article.php/3922956/Setting-Up-a-VPN-Server-on-a-Tomato-Router-Part-1.htm, though it's dated 2011. Somewhere for me to start... I also found this, http://dev.mensfeld.pl/2014/07/setting-up-a-vpn-server-on-a-tomato-router-wrt54gl/ I've downloaded OpenVPN for Win here http://openvpn.net/index.php/open-source/downloads.html, and the easyrsa zip from here https://github.com/OpenVPN/easy-rsa I think I can manage generating the certificates as shown in one/both of the guides. As for the iOS device, I don't see an OpenVPN section in Settings--General--VPN. It's an old iPhone 3GS a friend gave me to use as a wifi only device, so it's stuck on iOS 6. Do I need to put something like the OpenVPN Connect app https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/openvpn-connect/id590379981?mt=8 on it? Also, the guide suggests I change the subnet from 192.168.1.1 to something else because of potential conflicts. Does that matter if I'm only connecting a few clients from the outside to my router? Thanks! I want NBC's *-Ed-* on DVD/Blu-ray! 808htfan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1298 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102819 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me set up VPN for remote playback w/ iPeng etc
I don't know that router either but it sounds like you want the settings under PPTP Server. You should just switch it on and create a user and password. Then on iPhone set up accordingly. You can switch it on and off on iPhone as required. A warning though. In my experience a client to server VPN adds a lot of overhead and the resultant streaming may be choppy. It depends on the kit. QNAP TS419P 4TB LMS7.7.2 *Living Room* - SB3 - Onkyo TS606 connected Digitally - Celestion Ditton F20s - and connected Analogue for Zone 2 - Sony TA FE 320 - Sennheiser RS 130 *Office* - SB3 - Sony TA FE320 - Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* - SB Boom *Kitchen* - UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - SB Touch - Topping TP21 - AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV)* - Amazon Fire TV (SB Player) - Topping TP20 - Wharfedale Modus Cubes Various iThingys with iPeng Tablets etc d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102819 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me set up VPN for remote playback w/ iPeng etc
808htfan wrote: Thanks for the replies, I'll see if I can get PPTP going then. If setting up PPTP Server, or OpenVPN Server, options in my router that means my router becomes the VPN server? and the iPhone/Android device the client... Then I see why the streaming may be choppy. How does this affect Internet traffic to/from devices behind my router? Thanks BTW my Asus router model is the RT-N66U. I looked quickly at the Tomato firmware and it seems that it can be a VPN server (not only pass-through). So, yes your router will become the VPN server. From the outside, a PPTP request on port 1723 will, after negotiation, assign a private IP address to the client(s) and then performs routing between your client(s) and your internal network. It does not affect the traffic of your devices behind your router, the router performs all routing as usual + makes your client(s) reachable - in other words, if your home is 192.1681.x and you assign addresses in 192.168.10.x range to the client(s), then when the devices behind your router send packets to a 192.168.10.x device, they will send them to your router who is still your default gateway and your router will then forward these to the client(s). This is a very simple setup, nothing complicated, not a lan-to-lan VPN, just client-to-lan. For you usage, the only limitation with PPTP (beyond security considerations) is that, when you are outside, some firewall might block PPTP traffic so you'll not be able to establish the tunnerl and reach your home network, hence sometimes it is preferable to use OpenVPN that can build over port 443 that is never blocked LMS 7.7.2 - 5 radio, 3 Boom, 4 Duet, 1 Touch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne (sort of) philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102819 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me set up VPN for remote playback w/ iPeng etc
Thanks for the replies, I'll see if I can get PPTP going then. If setting up PPTP Server, or OpenVPN Server, options in my router that means my router becomes the VPN server? and the iPhone/Android device the client... Then I see why the streaming may be choppy. How does this affect Internet traffic to/from devices behind my router? Thanks BTW my Asus router model is the RT-N66U. I want NBC's *-Ed-* on DVD/Blu-ray! 808htfan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1298 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102819 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me set up VPN for remote playback w/ iPeng etc
Thank you for the explanation. I guess I will start with PPTP, I'd also like to learn how to use OpenVPN. Regarding OpenVPN and Tomato, I found this http://www.serverwatch.com/tutorials/article.php/3922956/Setting-Up-a-VPN-Server-on-a-Tomato-Router-Part-1.htm, though it's dated 2011. Somewhere for me to start... I want NBC's *-Ed-* on DVD/Blu-ray! 808htfan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1298 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102819 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Help me set up VPN for remote playback w/ iPeng etc
I've just setup my router, LMS, and iPeng for playback from outside my network. I'm forwarding ports on my router and only managed to setup user/password for security. For that reason I don't actually use it much, I only turn on the forwarding when I head over to a friend's house, etc., where I know I'll probably use it. I'd like to setup VPN but have no experience doing so. I have an Asus router running a Shibby build of Tomato firmware. In the VPN Tunneling section there are OpenVPN Server, OpenVPN Client, PPTP Server, PPTP Client, PPTP Online options. Which do I setup if any, and how? Can anyone help me, or point me to a guide? Also, what do I need to do on the iOS/Android device? Thanks! I want NBC's *-Ed-* on DVD/Blu-ray! 808htfan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1298 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102819 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me set up VPN for remote playback w/ iPeng etc
808htfan wrote: I've just setup my router, LMS, and iPeng for playback from outside my network. I'm forwarding ports on my router and only managed to setup user/password for security. For that reason I don't actually use it much, I only turn on the forwarding when I head over to a friend's house, etc., where I know I'll probably use it. I'd like to setup VPN but have no experience doing so. I have an Asus router running a Shibby build of Tomato firmware. In the VPN Tunneling section there are OpenVPN Server, OpenVPN Client, PPTP Server, PPTP Client, PPTP Online options. Which do I setup if any, and how? Can anyone help me, or point me to a guide? Also, what do I need to do on the iOS/Android device? Thanks! PPTP is straightforward, not the best in term of security. In iOS devices, this is just a VPN connection to be installed. You need to have port 1723 (I think) opened for PPTP and set username/password accordingly on your server. In iPeng, I had to manually set the address of LMS I also have an OpenVPN installed (1194 I think) , with a self-signed certificated that I also installed on my iPhone - It gave the possibility to setup the tunnel on demand. It was a much more complicated setup I had to do and I have notes somewhere if you are interested. Had to create certificates and install them with an Apple tool named iphone config utility - it was at the time of iOS 6 ... so might be outdated and much simplier options might exist today. I also had issues with a problem named triangle routing because my VPN server was not my default gateway, which I understood is not the case for you. Maybe somebody with a fresher experience will tell you, or I can dig out for my notes PS: I do not know this router nor the firmware in it. If it is VPN servers, this is easy, otherwise, it might just be passthroughs in which case you need to have a real server somewhere LMS 7.7.2 - 5 radio, 3 Boom, 4 Duet, 1 Touch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne (sort of) philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102819 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me find a replacement.
zoula wrote: Wandboard, Beaglebone Black, Cubietruck, all don't have I2S out implemented. Not strictly true. All of the above have I2S out implemented, but most are in the early stages rather than end-user stable. I'm sitting here right now, with both a Wandboard and BeagleBone playing music via I2S out to external DAC's. I've not got a CubieTruck at the moment. (Not enough hours in the day). But if you take a look over on the Cubieforums, the guys there have something working on the Cubietruck, 'ALSA bit-perfect output' (http://www.cubieforums.com/index.php?topic=1081.0). The thing is, that none of this is given to you on a plate. You need to be able to work with Linux, compile drivers, know where the bodies are buried and have soldering skills. If you don't fit that profile, the Pi is probably your best bet for the moment. JackOfAll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3069 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101219 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me find a replacement.
Hi. As you already stated, the raspberry can output I2S-data. There are two players build on raspberry and Triodes great Squeezelite player which might fit your needs: The piCorePlayer - a dedicated squeezebox player that transform the raspberry to something like a Squeezebox Duet. or The SqueezePlug system - which both can act as a player but also a LMS server. NB- I don't know if the I2S data is compatible with your Najda board, but both players support other boards (hifiberry DAC and Digi and ES9023 Cards) and Squeezeplug support the new Wolfson audio card for the raspberry. Steen piCorePlayer a small player for the Raspberry Pi (25MB in RAM). Homepage: https://sites.google.com/site/picoreplayer/home and discussion: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?97803-piCoPlayer-Squeezelite-on-Microcore-linux-An-embedded-OS-in-RAM-with-Squeezelite Squeezeboxserver on Voyage Linux 500 MB CF-card (read-only) http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?90581-HOW-TO-install-squeezeboxserver-on-very-small-Linux-(Voyage-linux) Please 'donate' (https://www.paypal.com/uk/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_flowSESSION=_Wc9nDqkHvtg-sUXCIrz1nB1Ct8pwHDrBSxETDiHfpX5H6F4Wflav3VBIAKdispatch=5885d80a13c0db1f8e263663d3faee8d7ff5e1e81f2ed97dd1e90bd72966c40c) if you like the piCorePlayer sbp's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37237 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101219 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Help me find a replacement.
Hi, I'm now ready to move on to new hardware. I'm changing almost all my system and will be going full active. I will use a Najda DSP board that I want to feed with I2S signal. as I see it there is only a RaspberryPi that could do this. There is a tone of better board on the market right now but none of them have I2S out with well supported community. I would prefer to stay in the LMS system but if nothing is available with I2S I may switch system. I don't want to use a UBS converter, adding something else in the chain is pointless... For now it seems that nothing is available or did I miss something??? Wandboard, Beaglebone Black, Cubietruck, all don't have I2S out implemented. I'm open for suggestions. zoula's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101219 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] help me uninstall softsqueeze and replace with squeezelite
I cannot recommend any DLNA stuff but you should try Whitebear ( http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?87559-Announce-Whitebear-Media-Server-v2-1-Updated ) which is a DLNA server for LMS on Windows so at least you will have onl;y one library and Whitebear does transcoding. I think you will still a control point for Ipad but there a number of free apps you can try. No idea about gapless. I think question about squeezelite player should be asked on the squeezelite thread as you'll get a better answer than on a uninstall softsqueeze thread. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=100603 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] help me uninstall softsqueeze and replace with squeezelite
Hi RioTubes wrote: Thanks BPA I have LMS 3.7.7 installed on a win7 desktop PC. LMS 3.7.7 ? Didnt you think that that information is one of these i asking about? Did you know there is Win7 in 32 AND 64 Bit - the 64 Bit Java Client doesnt add a systemvariable named javahome anymore. So it seems you running 7 /64 bit. So if you wanna help take yourself a bit more time to ask questions or in another words - why should i put more time in answering questions than the owner for asking the question? btw. we are miles away with these dnla Stuff than the threadtitle would expect. Gruss Jan DJanGo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1516 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=100603 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] help me uninstall softsqueeze and replace with squeezelite
DJanGo wrote: btw. we are miles away with these dnla Stuff than the threadtitle would expect. I think you can cut the guy a little slack. He is trying to integrate his new Airplay/DLNA compatible device into a LMS environment. The original solution led him down a blind alley of Java which started the thread - I reckon the solve the underlying need not the presented symptom. I think Whitebear with LMS may work better with the NAD rather than the complicated Airplay based solution. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=100603 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] help me uninstall softsqueeze and replace with squeezelite
I appreciate the assistance. The info provided is helpful and gives me a few things to think about. Yes, it is a 64-bit machine; sorry for leaving out that detail. Last night I was able to delete the softsqueeze folder from the program files x86 folder. That seemed to do it. I checked via Control Panel in the Uninstall pane and softsqueeze no longer appears. I will look into whitebear. I mentioned PlugPlayer because I understand that it is a control point on the iPad; but it does not support gapless playback. I will follow the good advice to start another thread in the appropriate area after I think through the various alternatives a bit more. Thanks for the help, especially since it was off-topic... RioTubes's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10172 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=100603 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] help me uninstall softsqueeze and replace with squeezelite
TBH you don't necessarily need whitebear. I personally use the built in DNLA plugin. I know its generally regarded as a waste of disc space and to be avoided if possible but I've had no issues with it. The menu on a DNLA device shows pretty much the same options you'd get when browsing on a squeezebox and AFAIK it also does transcoding, at least my FLAC will play on the PS3 and show as PCM in the more info bit on the PlayStation. Sent from my HUAWEI Y300-0100 using Tapatalk jimbobvfr400's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=100603 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] help me uninstall softsqueeze and replace with squeezelite
having difficulty uninstalling softsqueeze 3.9b2. Error message says no JVM found on system. Please point EXEC4_java_home to a JRE. Ultimately, I'd like to replace softsqueeze with squeezelite. Any help appreciated! RioTubes's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10172 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=100603 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] help me uninstall softsqueeze and replace with squeezelite
RioTubes wrote: having difficulty uninstalling softsqueeze 3.9b2. Error message says no JVM found on system. Please point EXEC4_java_home to a JRE. Ultimately, I'd like to replace softsqueeze with squeezelite. Any help appreciated! Please read your own question and think about 2 seconds how we can help you. Didnt you forget something?:mad: Gruss Jan DJanGo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1516 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=100603 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] help me uninstall softsqueeze and replace with squeezelite
DJanGo wrote: Please read your own question and think about 2 seconds how we can help you. Didnt you forget something?:mad: Prior to posting my Q, I downloaded java. I could not find the file with home in the name referenced above. RioTubes's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10172 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=100603 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] help me uninstall softsqueeze and replace with squeezelite
To uninstall Softsqueeze - delete the softsqueeze jar file unless you are using a AWS but I think that is unlikely since Java is not working for you. I think EXEC4_java_home is an environment variable which is specific to your system and it should be setup as part of the JRE installation so I think you have a faulty JRE installation. What system are you using ? Have you run Softsqueeze before ? Softsqueeze may not be the best choice (not been updated for a while) but it depends on your system. Squeezelite is headless - did you want a headless player ? bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=100603 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] help me uninstall softsqueeze and replace with squeezelite
Thanks BPA I have LMS 3.7.7 installed on a win7 desktop PC. The music files are stored on an USB external HDD. Softsqueeze is installed on this PC because i used to stream to an SB Touch which is no longer in the system. I have recently purchased a NAD D 7050 digital amp/streamer, which is in a different room than the PC. I want to control the music library from my iPad, and am considering iPeng 7 or squeezepad for this. I want to stream my wav files from the Win7 PC to my iPad and, in turn, stream the wav files to the NAD D 7050 via airplay. The NAD is an airplay receiver. So I thought I would remove softsqueeze and install squeezelite. Does this make sense, or is there a better way to accomplish this? Thank you RioTubes's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10172 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=100603 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] help me uninstall softsqueeze and replace with squeezelite
RioTubes wrote: Does this make sense, or is there a better way to accomplish this? Thank you Seems like a very complicated solution. Would DLNA from PC to NAD with DLNA control point on Ipad not be simpler ? Squeezelite has better support of different audio interface which might be useful to physically connect NAD to PC. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=100603 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] help me uninstall softsqueeze and replace with squeezelite
Do you have any suggestions on a good UPNP/DLNA control app (iPad) and DLNA server? I have never used either. One hesitation I have is that most of these DLNA servers are subscription based. Experience here? RioTubes's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10172 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=100603 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me figure out this problem with my server
Just an update on this issue... I didn't have one incident of my problem for a week after installing a USB Ethernet adapter in the EX470. Today I received the USB Gigabit Ethernet adapter and installed it with no problems. My music transfers are much speedier now. I can tell no difference between the speed of this and the onboard NIC. I also replaced all my cables for the Gigabit connections with Cat6 cables, and I replaced my ancient Netgear powerline adapters with faster ones (200M) from Monoprice. These are a great deal, BTW. Half the price of most other powerline adapters. I'd had my eye on them, but was waiting until I had more to order from Monoprice. If anyone else with an HP MediaSmart needs to replace the NIC, I can say that the one from Monoprice (linked in my first post) works with the XP2K 32-bit driver. You can find a link to the drivers from the Monoprice reviews. -- MeSue SUE 1 Duet | 2 Booms | 1 Radio | 1 Touch | 1 SB2 HP MediaSmart EX470 | Squeezebox Server 7.6 | iPod Touch iPad w/ iPeng Find me on 'Last.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/MeSue) | 'Twitter' (http://twitter.com/suechastain) MeSue's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=985 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90127 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me figure out this problem with my server
As a BTW, there are USB-to-VHA/HDMI available for around $40. I'd think about getting one of these setup before I started messing with NIC settings. 'Google shopping search for usb-vga adapters' (http://www.google.com/search?num=50hl=ensafe=activetbs=p_ord%3Aptbm=shopq=%22usb+to+vga%22+adapterbtnG=Searchoq=%22usb+to+vga%22+adapteraq=faqi=g3g-m4aql=gs_sm=sgs_upl=36180l39907l0l47155l2l2l0l0l0l0l347l540l0.1.0.1l2l0) I've used a few of these over the years (mostly for driving projectors from netbooks that couldn't produce the required resolution). The adapters come with a display driver, which -may- be all you need for WHS (not sure how much of the 2k3 display subsystem they've ripped out...). -- bobkoure bobkoure's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90127 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me figure out this problem with my server
Thanks, Bob. I may need to resort to getting one of those, or the diagnostic cable that's made especially for the HP MSS. I removed the critical drive with 58 bad sectors and I still had the problem last night. Now the drive that had 1 bad sector is up to 3 and another drive is showing 1 bad sector. This is getting worrying. I don't know... it may just be time to build a new server. -- MeSue SUE 1 Duet | 2 Booms | 1 Radio | 1 Touch | 1 SB2 HP MediaSmart EX470 | Squeezebox Server 7.6 | iPod Touch iPad w/ iPeng Find me on 'Last.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/MeSue) | 'Twitter' (http://twitter.com/suechastain) MeSue's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=985 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90127 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me figure out this problem with my server
You've looked at the error log? Anything incriminating? Any warnings or errors about anything at all? If they've hidden the event viewer from you, try start / run / eventvwr.msc /s (without the quotes). If that doesn't work, check system32 for eventvwr.msc. If it isn't there, I can email you a 2k3 version that should work just fine. -- bobkoure bobkoure's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90127 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me figure out this problem with my server
MeSue;655919 Wrote: I don't know... it may just be time to build a new server. I had too many issues with my MediaSmart. I only owned it for a few months and then built my own and never looked back. -- Squeezed_Rotel John Marshall SqueezeCenter 7.3.4 running on a DIY PC, Windows 7 64 bit o.s., with Inguz Audio EQ/DRC. (1) Transporter, (4) Booms connected through a Linksys WRT54gs router and Linksys WAP54g access point. Using an iPad with both SqueezePad iPeng for controllers. Transporter = Rotel RC1070 preamp = Rotel RB1080 2 channel amp = Bowers Wilkins 805 Speakers. Headphone setup: Transporter = Woo Audio WA22 balanced headphone amp = Sennheiser HD800 headphones. Squeezed_Rotel's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30002 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90127 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me figure out this problem with my server
I found errors in the event log that led me to some evidence that the on-board NIC in this server has issues when combined with certain routers and switches. Not enough info out there to know what combos work and what don't, unfortunately. I've ordered a USB NIC and Cat6 to replace the Cat5e and hopefully that will eliminate the problem. In the meantime, I've installed the slower USB NIC I already have and it hasn't happened since. Only one day, but I am hopeful that this is the right solution. Am I going to lose much speed on a USB Gigabit adapter versus the on-board one? -- MeSue SUE 1 Duet | 2 Booms | 1 Radio | 1 Touch | 1 SB2 HP MediaSmart EX470 | Squeezebox Server 7.6 | iPod Touch iPad w/ iPeng Find me on 'Last.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/MeSue) | 'Twitter' (http://twitter.com/suechastain) MeSue's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=985 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90127 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Help me figure out this problem with my server
I have had this problem with my server for a while and have never been able to figure it out. Sometimes it doesn't happen for months at a time but now it has started happening regularly again and I need to get to the bottom of it because it is really annoying. I have a headless HP MediaSmart Server. It connects to a Gigabit switch which is connected through a Buffalo router. What happens is every so often the server just disappears off the network. All the lights on the server are normal, but I can tell it is offline because WHS puts icons on the client machines and they turn gray, plus all the shares become inaccessible. And of course, if I am playing music, it stops. Often it also knocks out the Internet connection for the entire network shortly after it goes offline. I used to be able to just wait it out and after 15-20 minutes it would all come back on its own, but now that doesn't seem to happen (I have left it overnight and it never came back). So I have to force a shutdown on the server by holding the button down and restarting it. Another weird thing that happens is if I unplug the server's Ethernet cable from the Gigabit switch, it reboots the server machine. That has happened with two different switches so it is not a problem with the switch. I have looked through the event viewer and Squeezebox server logs to try to figure out what is happening at these times, but I can't find anything that indicates what could be causing it. It is happening at all different times of day, too. The only thing I can figure is that the NIC in this machine is somehow faulty. Does that make sense? What else could it be? I'm afraid to tinker with any of the NIC settings because there is no monitor connection so the network is the only way I can access the machine. I can't just swap out the NIC in this machine, because it's built in and there are no expansion ports. So I was thinking of getting a USB Gigabit adapter to see if it makes the problem go away. Something like this: http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=103cp_id=10311cs_id=1031102p_id=5345seq=1format=2 Any other ideas? -- MeSue SUE 1 Duet | 2 Booms | 1 Radio | 1 Touch | 1 SB2 HP MediaSmart EX470 | Squeezebox Server 7.6 | iPod Touch iPad w/ iPeng Find me on 'Last.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/MeSue) | 'Twitter' (http://twitter.com/suechastain) MeSue's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=985 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90127 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me figure out this problem with my server
To keep ypu busy until someone that are familiar with the WHS comes along ;-) The usual things suspects: - We you checked HP.com for new bios and drivers - The first part of your problem made me think of some power settings. Try to go to Advanced power settings and check for network related settings. I guess that you do have it set to wakeup on WOL packages -- slate Main: Receiver (Audiocom) - Beresford Caiman+ (Gatorized) - Carver A-500x - BW 704 Office: Receiver - Luxman L-210 - Stax SR84 Pro/Superlux HD668B Server: Zotac IONITX-A, 4 GB, 1 TB WD EADS, Win7 w. 7.6 (SQLite w. High Mem) Tied together by D-Link DIR-655 + DGS-1008D slate's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30502 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90127 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me figure out this problem with my server
I don't know this machine but perhaps it is normal behavior that in absence of an uplink the machine reboots. I've had headless machines with a watchdog set to reboot when the network seems down, as a missing link is unlikely while a wedged OS might happen. Usually the watchdog has a hardware portion (look at the BIOS) and when such hardware is detected, an OS task is started. When the server is ok, but you disconnect the cable, does it reboot as well ? I would look at the ethernet settings in the server and make sure that the MTU is set to the standard 1500-byte frame size. If it is, I'd try setting the card to fast-ethernet speed 100Mbps duplex, and see what happens. If the switch is manageable, I'd look at the queuing policy on ports. If the switch has to connect 100Mbps and 1000Mbps ports there is a chance its buffers fill up and then it locks up. Perhaps the cause is in the power feed. I've had routers or other embedded devices wedge at random due to issues with mains power. Once I cured a router from locking up simply by adding a 2-meter extension cord between the Ac adapter and the wall plug... Also, I'd try changing / swapping the ethernet cables and ports used in the switch and see if something changes. One last thing I'd try is to run something like Ubuntu Live CD on the server and try stress-testing. If the problem is with the OS, Linux will react differently -worse or better- and this could bring some light to the issue. That's all I can think of now. Good luck. -- epoch1970 Daily dose delivered by: 3 SB Classic, 1 SB Boom iPeng (iPhone + iPad) Squeezebox Server 7.6 (Debian 5.0) with plugins: MusicIP Server Power Control by Gordon Harris WeatherTime by Martin Rehfeld IRBlaster by Gwendesign (Felix) Find cover art by bpa BBC iPlayer, SwitchPlayer by Triode PowerSave by Jason Holtzapple TrackStat, Song Info, Song Lyrics by Erland Isaksson SaverSwitcher, ContextMenu by Peter Watkins. epoch1970's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16711 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90127 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me figure out this problem with my server
When this happens to me, the reason is apparent. Since I have several machines and devices on two different two-hop loops (1 at 100 and the other at 1 gig,) I lose devices geographically. Normally this is caused by a switch having a brain-fart. Repeated brain-farts have been followed by hard failures for two of the three switches I've had to replace. Surge (lightning so close the phones ring) got the other one. Try to re-power the switch. Also, early 1gig ethernet was twitchy about working on cat 5. I use only cat 6 on gig loops. P -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90127 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me figure out this problem with my server
Thanks for the suggestions, everyone! I thought it might be the switch so I replaced it about 2 months ago. Also swapped out the cables, but I don't have any Cat6. I will see about getting some. I found a USB Ethernet adapter I already had, so I am going to try switching to that tomorrow. It's not Gigabit speed, but it should help me pin down whether or not it has something to do with the built-in NIC. -- MeSue SUE 1 Duet | 2 Booms | 1 Radio | 1 Touch | 1 SB2 HP MediaSmart EX470 | Squeezebox Server 7.6 | iPod Touch iPad w/ iPeng Find me on 'Last.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/MeSue) | 'Twitter' (http://twitter.com/suechastain) MeSue's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=985 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90127 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me figure out this problem with my server
Hmmm... in reading posts on some WHS forums, I found out about a SMART addin for WHS. I installed it, and it is reporting one of my disks having critical health (53 bad sectors) and another one potentially failing (1 bad sector). I am running a checkdsk repair overnight. I guess I will hold off on installing that USB adapter until I see if repairing, or if necessary, replacing, these disks changes the situation. I remember I replaced one of the disks at one point and it may have been why the problem went away for a while. Wish I could remember the circumstances... -- MeSue SUE 1 Duet | 2 Booms | 1 Radio | 1 Touch | 1 SB2 HP MediaSmart EX470 | Squeezebox Server 7.6 | iPod Touch iPad w/ iPeng Find me on 'Last.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/MeSue) | 'Twitter' (http://twitter.com/suechastain) MeSue's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=985 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90127 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me get 500 ft away from router
I've found incorrectly wired (wrong order) on a couple of sites. Data rate goes to hell - and it's not obvious, right off, what's wrong as, if you use a cable continuity tester, the lights light on both ends. in proper order. BUT ethernet over unshielded twisted pair ONLY works if Rx is on one pair and Tx is on another (doesn't matter which pairs, so long as it's the same on both ends - but they have to actually be -pairs- - the pairs of wires that are twisted around each other). If you're not sure what you're doing, then, by all means, stick to the standard. 568B, as Pat mentions, is a good way to go. If you didn't have your wiring setup this way, I'd suggest crimping on a couple of plugs and testing before looking for shorter routes or cutting cable. As I'd mentioned earlier, I've had a few 400' runs work fine at 10bt full duplex. So if it still doesn't work, I'd still look for a way to force the speed down to 10. This will be plenty fast enough for your squeezebox. -- bobkoure bobkoure's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79140 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me get 500 ft away from router
leif;552938 Wrote: Is there loss introduced in either of these connections? Yes, there is. To minimize loss, you have to solder the wires together, while taking care to maintain the 'individual twist lengths' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_5_cable#Individual_twist_lengths). -- Soulkeeper Soulkeeper's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35297 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79140 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me get 500 ft away from router
lief Ahem, it's Leif. For you English speaking people, it's pronounced like Layph. Hope that helps. ;) Ok then, carry on ... interesting discussions about RF here ... -- Soulkeeper Soulkeeper's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35297 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79140 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me get 500 ft away from router
erm... right - if I was using his name - but I'm using his username. I'd -guess- that the person with the username -lief- is actually named -Lief- - but I wasn't making that supposition. Some of the folks who use a recognizable name as a username don't actually use that name in personal life. Names from history (I'd be pretty sure of it if someone used gaiusjulius but it's loads harder to spot if it's a character from fiction. Aramis? real name? 3 musketeers fan? On the other side, I have a friend named Galen, which I would have assumed was a historical name (author of one of the first anatomical treatises). I'm pretty sure he uses it online - and most folks probably guess that it isn't his actual name. So, I'm lazy and use the username, however I find it. Thanks for the bit on pronunciation. We learn in school about the son of Eric the red, but everyone pronounces it leef. Surprising that Lief isn't a common English name, given the extent of the danelaw in the 11th and 12th century. Well, we kept the th words - which continue to bedevil English learners (my wife teaches English as a second language) - so -there-! :) -- bobkoure bobkoure's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79140 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me get 500 ft away from router
If my cat5e 300 + foot ethernet cable gets cut will I be able to splice it back together? -- leif leif's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38372 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79140 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me get 500 ft away from router
You can splice it together by putting plugs on the ends to be joined and plug them into a coupler. However, I would try to avoid that. Any repairs to the cable introduces another potential failure point and potential for impacting the signal negatively, especially at the run lengths you are talking about. -- maggior Rich - Setup: 2 SB3s, 4 Booms, 1 Duet, 1 Receiver, 1 Touch. SuSE 11.0 Server running SqueezeBoxServer 7.5.0, MusicIP, and SqueezeSlave. Current library stats: 33,060 songs, 2,656 albums, 484 artists. http://www.last.fm/user/maggior maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79140 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me get 500 ft away from router
On 06/04/2010 01:57 PM, leif wrote: If my cat5e 300 + foot ethernet cable gets cut will I be able to splice it back together? The precise answer is maybe So put it in a conduit. Or just be prepared to replace it, its only about $40 of cable. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me get 500 ft away from router
leif;552925 Wrote: If my cat5e 300 + foot ethernet cable gets cut will I be able to splice it back together? Is that cable 600, 500, 400, or now 300 feet long? Has the cabin been moving while you're doing all this? If you're working at lengths that are borderline, then I hope it's obvious that this could only make things worse. If I had to make a repair like that I'd punch one end down into and IDC jack and the other into a plug. If you're burying the cable naked under a couple inches of dirt, or stringing it through the trees, then you'll want to protect the connection from moisture by shrink tubing and/or duct taping the hell out of it. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79140 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me get 500 ft away from router
Does it matter what color order I use inside of ehternet jacket as long as they match up on either end? The reason I ask if cable can be spliced first of all if my cable get's cut accidentally I don't want to have to replace my 400 foot cable if it can be repaired. Placing a coupler between my router and my $35 dollar Bestbuy switch should be ok since it's under 100 feet on that side right? This will allow me to try one more time to span the entire length without a switch since I found a new route that's at least 30 foot shorter than the 400 foot one that failed. I'll cut the extra slack off, measure it and let you guys know by how much shorter my new cable is and if it works. If it fails I'll be able to cut off a length from the cable just long enough to span distance from switch and shack and I'll place a coupler on the shorter side of the cable of the ethernet cable that goes into my router since it will then need about an extra 20 foot of ethernet cable attached to it to accomidate the extra length the switch needs. Or will adding a coupler between my router and switch even though it's under 100 feet weaken the signal the switch get's and lesson the signal strength the switch will be able to shoot out to shack? If this is the case then perhaps I shouldn't use a coupler between the 100 foot run between router and switch and instead discard the shorter length of the two cables from my cut I make of my 400 feet cable and instead install a new cable to switch from router that is 20 feet longer to acomidate the extra length needed for the switch. -- leif leif's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38372 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79140 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me get 500 ft away from router
On 06/04/2010 02:45 PM, leif wrote: Does it matter what color order I use inside of ehternet jacket as long as they match up on either end? Yes, it matters. And for long lengths, it matters a lot. You can decide whether to use 568B or the older 568A, but most folks just use 568B, since that is what 99% of all commercial patch cables use. Image of how to do it properly. http://www.pfarrell.com/misc/rj45_patch.gif -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me get 500 ft away from router
Yikes, I'm sure I paired my wires differently. I'll re-terminate my ends properly at my shorter run length and report back. If fails and I decide to attach a coupler to shorter run to switch from router, is a keystone jack preferable to a coupler? Is there loss introduced in either of these connections? In other words if putting a coupler in between router-switch and signal is making it to switch but still isn't being relayed to the longer distance from switch to shack, might it be relayed sufficiently if switch was instead fed a single uncoupled 100 foot cable from router? -- leif leif's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38372 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79140 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me get 500 ft away from router
So... lief, did you try putting a switch on either end of that long wire? I'm assuming that's how you tested, but don't know. If you're getting a bit of throughput, forcing the switches to use 10 rather than 100 might be all you need. I've an extra 10baseT hub you're welcome to if you want to check this and are in the Boston area. Otherwise, there's ebay - and just stopping into a computer repair place and and seeing if they've got a 10bt router you could borrow for a half day. That's the cheapest way to force the protocol to 10 that I know. I've done this with success with a couple of 400' runs. NB: Both 10 and 100 have 100m limits, I have a few theories as to why 10 is more resilient at somewhat over-spec lengths - but they're just theories (and back to CSMA/CD timings, bit wire lengths, etc.). My experience is that it -does- work, however. There's also PoE, which isn't -that- expensive if you already have a dry place to put the gear. Hoping this is helpful... -- bobkoure bobkoure's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79140 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me get 500 ft away from router
bobkoure;551166 Wrote: Sorry but it's not. Even with ancient wiring, signal quality is fine after this distance. Try it - scopes are cheap and handheld these days. That's not the issue. The issue is timing and the length of the packet (literal length, as in the length of wire the packet occupies, given the speed of electrons in a conductor). Then explain the following: In most cases a cabling solution is developed to support a faster transmission protocol. Todays fastest protocol over UTP cable is 10GBase-T (10,000Base-T) transmission. This is supported by Cat 6 for a limited distance of 37 to 55 meters, and by Augmented Cat 6 to 100 meters. source: http://www.adc.com/us/en/Library/Literature/105011AE.pdf The signal length stays the same, the protocol stays the same, the signal speed within the medium will be approximately the same, but the maximum length of the medium is not the same... So it probably has nothing to do with the speed of the medium and the signal length... Cat 6 does give a much better signal to noise ratio than 5e, at all frequencies.(same source as above) That is probably the reason for that maximum of 100 meters... There are no collisions between 2 directly UTP connected devices. -- servies There are 10 kinds of people in the world - those who understand binary and those who don't. servies's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9496 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79140 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me get 500 ft away from router
Given that lief is looking for a solution to longer distance with 10baseT or 100Tx, I'd suggest we stick to those protocols. [trying really hard to be nice] That said, what on -earth- makes you think that timing of 10GBase-T has bearing on 10/100? Of -course- there are SQ length issues - we're talking 500MHZ gear here. That's pretty near PCI-X 2.0, which, itself, was an accomplishment - over a few inches. [/trying really hard to be nice] -- bobkoure bobkoure's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79140 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me get 500 ft away from router
bobkoure wrote: [trying really hard to be nice] That said, what on -earth- makes you think that timing of 10GBase-T has bearing on 10/100? Of -course- there are SQ length issues - we're talking 500MHZ gear here. [/trying really hard to be nice] You betcha, FM radio stations use ~100mHz, so a 500 foot cable is pretty much a big assed antenna. At RF frequencies, everything is very weird. At high RF frequencies, even the pros make weird predictions. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me get 500 ft away from router
from 'this thread' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/newreply.php?do=newreplyp=552053) leif;552053 Wrote: I did read and appreciate the input on that thread although my questions on my last post were not addressed and the topic seemed to have migrated to technical info I'm not knowledgeable about. OK, look. If the technical issues are too difficult, just go and get 600' of CAT5, 5e, or 6. Don't put it in the ground - just leave it in the box. You're probably going to end up buying a 1000' box anyway. terminate the two ends. You're going to have to either learn how to do that or get someone to do it. So now you have 600' (or whatever distance you're interested in) of UTP. Plug one end into your router and the other end into your squeezebox. Does it work? Yes - you're done. Go bury that cable. No - try again with a switch at either end (4 port 10/100 switches are cheap) Still No - try some of the other suggestions in this thread Note that it really -might- work, if you indeed have only two devices attached to this segment of cable. As alfista points out there are separate transmit and receive pairs so there is no collision domain. I've pulled long runs of Cat5 with a single device on each end (more in the 400' range) and have not had good luck. You may be luckier - and there's really only one way to tell. If alfista's right, you should be able to do this test on the whole 1000' box (easier than measuring out 600'). Either way, do let us know if it worked. -- bobkoure bobkoure's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79140 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me get 500 ft away from router
I bought a spool of 500 foot cat5e at homedepot for $60 on sale. It didn't work at 500 feet so I cut it at 400 feet the length of my run. It played a couple songs but after a few minutes wouldn't recognize my network. I was told I could force squeezebox to operate at 10mbps and that may allow the signal to reach the 400 feet? How do I do this? Is there a switch I can use that can get electricity from the ethernet cord so I don't have to run an extension cord to the switch? If not I'd like to run the switch 100 feet from termination so I'm only using a single one hundred foot extension cord instead of two daisychained together although this means from the switch to squeezebox will be around 300 feet. Am I definitely guaranteed to make a 300 feet run from switch? If I don't will I be able to resplice the ethernet cable to different lengths -- leif leif's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38372 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79140 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me get 500 ft away from router
If there's a switch, it's in your firewall/router. Many don't support this, and a cheat is to connect through a 10baseT (not 10/100, just 10) hub (just use a short patch cable to connect it to either your router or your squeezebox. When network gear gets connected, it checks with the gear at the other end and will not run any faster than that remote gear. Meanwhile, the remote gear is doing the same thing (this is called negotiation or auto-negotiation). This may work - I've done it with long-ish runs (about the same as yours) - but 10baseT has the same length limitation as 100Tx. I suspect that half duplex might work for you (the parties at either end take turns talking - like CB radio), but these days, a router you can force into half duplex will likely be quite expensive. Yes, you can run power over your ethernet cable. It's called power over ethernet (or PoE). Do you have a dry place for that intermediate switch to go? There are weatherproof ones, but then you're getting into industrial gear (and industrial prices). -- bobkoure bobkoure's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79140 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me get 500 ft away from router
alfista;551522 Wrote: ...that electrically the data in each direction run on separate pairs in a TP cable when running in normal 10 and 100 Mbit modes. Hence, only one transmitter and one transceiver in each direction for each segment. Looks like Rx and Tx pairs are coupled together with CSMA/CD, so the timings (length) still hold. Have you tried this with, say 1000' of UTP with a single device at either end? Did it work? What switches did you use? -- bobkoure bobkoure's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79140 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me get 500 ft away from router
leif;552149 Wrote: It played a couple songs Promising. leif;552149 Wrote: but after a few minutes wouldn't recognize my network. Did you try this before or after you stretched the cable out straight? If the cable was still curled up, that would degrade performance. leif;552149 Wrote: If I'm placing a switch 100 feet from termination, does it matter which end I place the switch on? Router side or squeezebox side? Place it nearest the poorest quality network card. Whether that's your Squeezebox or your router, I don't know. -- Soulkeeper Soulkeeper's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35297 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79140 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me get 500 ft away from router
bobkoure;552175 Wrote: Looks like Rx and Tx pairs are coupled together with CSMA/CD, so the timings (length) still hold. Have you tried this with, say 1000' of UTP with a single device at either end? Did it work? What switches did you use? No, in a network without hubs there is no connection between Rx and Tx. As long as you run half duplex the CSMA/CD functions are still enabled but there are no real collisions. The devices will consider it to be a collision if they detect something on Rx while sending on Tx, this is however a false positive. In full duplex the fact that no real collisions can happen is used and the CSMA/CD is disabled. From a timing standpoint, the collision length in the type of networks where real collisions may happen, or the length at which the mechanism no longer works is roughly 600 ft between the nodes farthest apart. So even if this single cable would be considered a collision domain, it is still within that limit. I haven't tried cables that long but with devices of decent quality at each end, a cable within spec and careful termination I believe 500 ft should work. Yes, it's roughly 50% over spec, but this is technology that in my experience has a fair amount of margin. Cable quality in particulat could be an issue that is difficult to check, I recently read of someone who had to redo all the wiring in a new house since the cheap CAT6 cable he bought was so way off spec that it hardly worked at all. -- alfista alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79140 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me get 500 ft away from router
m1abrams;551259 Wrote: Explain how Full-duplex devices do not talk on the same medium when talking to each other? I think you might be confusing things. That's the difference between a hub and a switch. A hub connects physically connected devices on a shared medium and collision domain. A switch establishes a point to point connection between physically connected devices and uses dedicated RX/TX pairs - no paket collisions. It uses a fast switch engine and buffers. -- jo-wie 2 * Classic, 1 * Boom, SC 7.5.1 auf GigaByte STA/C mit VIA C7 1GHz, 1GB RAM, 250 GB 2,5 HD, Ubuntu Desktop 8.04 LTS, CD - FLAC = dbpoweramp, Mix MusicIP, Router AVM Fritz 3270 last.fm/user/jo-wie jo-wie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17952 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79140 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me get 500 ft away from router
m1abrams;551259 Wrote: Explain how Full-duplex devices do not talk on the same medium when talking to each other? I think you might be confusing things. Actually, medium might be a poor choice of words when it comes to wired neworks of today (unlike the old coax stuff). What I meant is that electrically the data in each direction run on separate pairs in a TP cable when running in normal 10 and 100 Mbit modes. Hence, only one transmitter and one transceiver in each direction for each segment. -- alfista alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79140 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help me get 500 ft away from router
servies;550696 Wrote: The 100 meter maximum for UTP is based on the signal quality that's left after 100 meters... Maybe someone else whose native language is English can explain better... Sorry but it's not. Even with ancient wiring, signal quality is fine after this distance. Try it - scopes are cheap and handheld these days. That's not the issue. The issue is timing and the length of the packet (literal length, as in the length of wire the packet occupies, given the speed of electrons in a conductor). Yes, having only two parties will make collisions less likely. And with only two parties you could likely go half-duplex successfully (yes it cuts your bandwidth in half, but it should also remove most or all of the collision issue. I would ask one question: have you actually strung a longer-than 100m length of network cable? I have, both the ancient types and the CAT5/5e/6. My experience is that you get lots of collisions, even though an injected signal scopes out just fine. Even a TDR shows no problem end to end. So... go read up - or break out, say 600' of your preferred UTP, stick it between two switches and see how that works. If they're smart switches, you can get collision reports without any other gear. -- bobkoure bobkoure's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79140 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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iPhone;550731 Wrote: Do I think an uncut run of CAT6 will work, I do. I do not, but let's agree to disagree I would try the high gain MFJ-1800 yagi first or a 15 to 18 dB panel antenna. I am fairly sure the Squeezebox will see the network. The issue is if the Squeezebox can make it back to the router without some help. Remember that antenna gain is bidirectional. Not only transmitting more selectively but receiving as well (look at a satellite TV dish - that's receive-only) I'd also caution that, even with detachable antennas, different routers have different antenna connectors. Google is your friend! To simplify, you can usually get an antenna with an 'N' connector - and then it's just a matter of finding an adapter (under $10, usually about $4) to go to your router. -- bobkoure bobkoure's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79140 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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iPhone;550833 Wrote: From the picture, I don't what antenna you're using It looks to be a sector antenna. Nice homebrew, BTW. One on each house? Or just this and they have a laptop that moves around in their house? If that's it, the solution might be for them to have a dd-wrt router set to wireless repeater. Adjust the repeater's position and maybe aim the quadrant antenna a bit, and that's it. Otherwise, they could buy a 'parabolic' (http://www.fab-corp.com/home.php?cat=251) and aim it at the quadrant. -- bobkoure bobkoure's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79140 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
