Re: [slim] Interesting Debate On Sonos
If the Touch has a mini-server built in (did I get that right?)... so instant plug and play with non-local music sources, doesn't that change the equation? Either way, Logitech -really- needs to put together a runs out of the box solution. Fastest way to do it would be to buy the company that's now building an integrated server solution, put it on some small-footprint platform, wrapped in logitech plastic and logitech logos. Put a wireless capability in it - so out of the box doesn't even require setting up a wireless router - just attach an antenna. Make sure the base unit (or whatever it's called) is labeled optional to not lose the current customer base. I'm pretty sure they could sell something like this well under the Sonos. It would have the only one base unit per household advantage. There are folks out there who really -prefer- a closed system. Look at iPhones and, to a lesser extent, Macs. Yes, it costs more. Yes, it's limiting. But the hardware/software combination, exactly as you are buying it, just works. Big attraction there. Many years ago, when I worked for Lotus, I spent some product liaison time in Cupertiono. I saw JFW up on a lot of office walls. When I finally asked, I was told it stood got Just Fu***ing Works. I could see (then and now) how customers might value that over openness or extensibility, or even over not having to throw away hardware when the software advances - and even at a price premium. I also wonder how much 'cognitive dissonance' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance) is involved - for those folks who have invested heavily (time and/or money) in either system. I certainly see some of it in Mac aficionados (more so years ago when the Mac price premium was basically -huge-). -- bobkoure bobkoure's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75415 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Interesting Debate On Sonos
Buying the company not an easy game neither the best solution when you have this line of business already in-house. And Logitech has done this already. What Logitech should do is to get things better planned, developed and what is extremely important tested before it goes into the market. And Logitech knows how to do it right #8211; proved by the financial results and market share and position. What may be a bit missing #8211; the link to customer requirements and match them into the product This forum as well as the Bugszilla from Slim are providing the good input. And if some of those requirements were discussed with the users (I hope they already do this) #8211; than the result should be coming soon. The fixes and the list of issues users have shows that the testing is not done in the best way. e.g. one of German manufactures uses own employs to test cars before they go to the market; they have big pool and most of people can get the car to go to the canteen (2-3 km from some buildings) and by coming back what they have to do is to write a report about the experience, and what could be done in a different way #8211; by research people it was confirmed to be one of key sources for innovations and quality/usability improvements. Logitech may do the same #8211; it should not be an issue to find good and reliable community to work with and I am pretty sure there would be enough people who would be able to do the testing job right#8230; but! not just have fun, but also an obligation to really test and properly report (without emotions)! -- AndreE Duet: 2 Controllers and 4 Receivers Plan: +2 Receivers and + 1 Controller [quite positive after move to 7.4.1 and later to 7.4.2] Linux Intel Atom 330 based Server - [not completely configured yet] wired Ethernet to 1Gb Switch, than Router via DSL to the net... no WiFi at all AndreE's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75415 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Interesting Debate On Sonos
AndreE;522268 Wrote: Logitech may do the same it should not be an issue to find good and reliable community to work with and I am pretty sure there would be enough people who would be able to do the testing job right but! not just have fun, but also an obligation to really test and properly report (without emotions)! This already happens. However, be aware that not every suggestion/issue raised by the Beta testers is acted upon before launch (or even after launch). -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... SB Touch Beta (wired) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75415 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Interesting Debate On Sonos
maggior;518370 Wrote: I don't understand this notion that the SB products are for geeks. I keep reading this when I see comparisons with Sonos. Is the setup of a SB system really that hard? Once a reputation for a product or company is set in the market it can be difficult (though not impossible) for people to change their minds. I'm in my late 50s and still remember the reputations for reliability and ease-of-use that particular products had 30 and 40 years ago. Over the years some of those products (if they still exist) have gotten better and others worse, but I still have to make a conscious effort to get past my original impression. The original SliMP3 came from the geek side of things almost a decade ago and the product has always involved installing server software, configuring a few ports, messing with routers and so on. Nothing particularly hard once you've done it, but it can have the potential to look intimidating. In any case, it is still more than remove from box, plug in and press the play button. So I believe SB suffers a bit more from reputation than reality. I'm sure Logitech would like that reputation to evolve in the coming years. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75415 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Interesting Debate On Sonos
maggior;518370 Wrote: Wow, not much love for Squeezebox in that discussion! One guy posted he likes SB and had his post knocked down to a -11 rating. Don your flame retardant clothing if you plan on posting a repsonse. I don't understand this notion that the SB products are for geeks. I keep reading this when I see comparisons with Sonos. Is the setup of a SB system really that hard? When did flexability become a bad thing? You can make it as hard as you want (add plugins, use Linux, etc.), but it really isn't that bad. Perhaps setting up a SB system is not as easy as plugging in your toaster, but is it much harder than programming your microwave? Most people seem to figure that out. My brother, a certified non-geek, set up a Duet with no trouble whatsoever. I don't understand... I fully agree. Before taking the plunge with a boom last December, and a duet in January, I spent a lot of time on these and other forums in an attempt to make an informed decision. There is an awful lot of discussion out there about how Sonos works straight out of the box, whereas the squeezebox takes some tweaking/is more tempremental etc etc. Eventually I took the plunge and went down the squeezebox route, but I'm ashamed to say the decision was heavily influenced by the price. If money was no object, I would probably have bought the Sonos. I am now utterly addicted to playing music!! Setup was a breeze, and I'm no geek.Everything does what it's meant to do,the sound is awesome,and best of all there's loads of free advice on these forums if needed. I guess what I'm trying to say is perhaps we should focus more on just how good this system is. Trev -- gruntwolla gruntwolla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35645 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75415 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Interesting Debate On Sonos
Interesting discussion going on at The Boy Genius Report about Sonos and how it is over priced. http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010/02/17/sonos-multi-room-music-system-review-s5-zonebridge-controller-200/ -- jwagner010 jwagner010's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=29405 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75415 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Interesting Debate On Sonos
Wow, not much love for Squeezebox in that discussion! One guy posted he likes SB and had his post knocked down to a -11 rating. Don your flame retardant clothing if you plan on posting a repsonse. -- maggior Rich - Setup: 2 SB3s, 4 Booms, 1 duet, 1 receiver. SuSE 11.0 Server running SqueezeCenter 7.3.3, MusicIP, and SqueezeSlave. Current library stats: 30,015 songs, 2,448 albums, 451 artists. http://www.last.fm/user/maggior maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75415 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
