Re: [slim] Logitech drops Revue, says early Google TV intro a 'mistake'
Mnyb;673107 Wrote: to work, a pulic service TV should operate under it's own charter and not under controll by the goverment, you see when it go wrong just tune in the weird channels on your cable TV. men with mustach and khaki uniforms reading the news :) The BBC is changing, ex Tory party chairman heads it up. Budget frozen for 6 years. We Brits like to wreck what we have. -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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DaveWr;673133 Wrote: The BBC is changing, ex Tory party chairman heads it up. Budget frozen for 6 years. We Brits like to wreck what we have. Don't worry, the right wing Aussies politicians try the same thing with the ABC. It's a constant battle :(. -- Gingernut63 Gingernut63 MonkeySqueeze - Squeezing music into your life! http://twitter.com/#!/MonkeySqueeze1 MonkeySqueeze Support: http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2t=59515 MonkeySqueeze Development: http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19t=59907 Squeezebox Boom - SqueezePlay - Squeeze Player - MediaMonkey - MonkeyTunes Gingernut63's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=48490 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Gingernut63;673064 Wrote: The ABC in Australia is very similar to the BBC; it provides the quality I look for in TV programs, some sourced from the BBC. The ABC while funded by Government, has it's own charter and operates independently. Without the ABC providing a quality alternative then all that would available is the dreaded reality programs that are destroying free to air at the moment, and crappy Australian and US sitcoms/soap ;). It works very well, but if the ABC disappeared then TV for me would be out the window. May work ok for your country, certainly won't work here. Entertainment wise our feds are involved in one national TV network (PBS) and one national radio network (NPR). They have biased and botched those so badly it is not even funny. There are local public access ch's and C-Span (fed's public access ch, live congressional votes debates, committee hearings, etc...) as well as NASA TV. But from an entertainment aspect let the free market and consumers decide what they want. Obviously, in the US anyway, our feds don't have a clue what it's citizens want. -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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toby10;673059 Wrote: Good god! Our government in the TV/entertainment business? No thanks. ;)Spare a thought for the poor Italians. They have had to put up with BBC (Berlusconi Brodcasting Corporation) for decades... -- AndrewFG Regards, AndrewFG Try out Whitebear. The middleware that joins the two worlds of: 1. UPnP/DLNA media clients and media players, and, 2. Squeezebox Server and Squeeze Players Download it for free here: http://www.whitebear.ch/mediaserver AndrewFG's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15838 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech drops Revue, says early Google TV intro a 'mistake'
This is very interesting discussion. I guess the real thread for average user comes from external complexity Any mass-market solution should be easy to set-up and operate by one fingertip. Interestingly TV solution rivals are: Samsung with its HUB, Philips with similar ideas and of course Apple. Apple TV and coming real TV box will change the entertainment world soon. I see that standard broadcast will have serious problems from this side. Who needs a standard TV when you can stream everything from internet using one of HUBX or possible iTune? Still market is fresh and many solutions are not mature, but main brands are already far ahead of most. I personally believe that Logitech could launch the product doing both: audio and video. I would be happy to move all my movies to the same server where my music is. But would it be really implementable and supported? Main argumentation against would be the piracy (as all discussions about movies). It would be great to move all DVDs and later Blue-Rays to the server and have them available at any time I need and it is possible (to some extend) with Apple platform Pity, I see Logitech is a bit too late to get to this market and content provider is a key for success. Google did not fulfill this role. Another alternative would be to move to the same filed where big boys are to start offering content like e.g. Apple does. But this would not fit to Logitech business model as it is now, and produces a lot of conflicts with many partners, even with Apple. I see it as less likely happening. -- AndreE == Duet: 2 Controllers + 4 Receivers and 1 Touch Intel Atom 330 Linux Server wired Ethernet to 1Gb Switch -- Router -- DSL -- net... and happy Family ! AndreE's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech drops Revue, says early Google TV intro a 'mistake'
AndreE;673021 Wrote: Who needs a standard TV when you can stream everything from internet using one of HUBX or possible iTune?. Once the content owners (networks, broadcasters) see their revenues slipping they will stop allowing internet broadcasting, some already do this. Or they will start charging for internet broadcasting, effectively swapping cable/sat services for internet services. Cable/sat companies pay big bucks to these content owners. Cable/sat = money to content owners. Internet = no money to content owners (in many cases). So either the internet content will disappear or you will pay for it via internet. Either way, we'll pay for it, as we should. ;) -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech drops Revue, says early Google TV intro a 'mistake'
toby10;673026 Wrote: Once the content owners (networks, broadcasters) see their revenues slipping they will stop allowing internet broadcasting, some already do this. Or they will start charging for internet broadcasting, effectively swapping cable/sat services for internet services. Cable/sat companies pay big bucks to these content owners. Cable/sat = money to content owners. Internet = no money to content owners (in many cases). So either the internet content will disappear or you will pay for it via internet. Either way, we'll pay for it, as we should. ;) that is all and well as it should be, but the content providers and content owners are just as confused as the music industry on how to provide for the user it all a big mess rigth now. Nobody is going to give consummers the absolute flexibility to shedule and cherrypick their own Tv experience, it to hard to sell the adds then, they depend on formats that the add buyers can understand like day time TV or a geographical or cultural context. don't forget that the big money in TV comes from the comercials nobody would afford TV if it where all paid by the subscription , thats a fraction of the costs involved. So the TV exist to expose you to comercials, your favorite TV show is a tool to have you sitting there :) They must reinvent how to sell add space in internet based TV. at first we will simply see cable TV 2.0 but you stick an ehternet wire into the box. more flexible solution that really use the internet will eventually emerge later much later . I'm just thinking about how much potential add space they sold via my cabel TV subscription, to get some channel I want a bunch of other cr*p is bundled to it in a package, possibly I sometimes watch a channel I did not really wanted and happen to be exposed to a comercial bingo $$ they won :-/ boxes than can record TV is enough headache for them when people ffwd the comercials... I see a future with even more product placement where you can click on the actors clothes and cars and get conected to some other content, a future where a TV show a comercial and propaganda is the same thing where no pure art exists and all information is disneyfied for your fammily friendly internet experience ;) -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech drops Revue, says early Google TV intro a 'mistake'
Mnyb;673031 Wrote: that is all and well as it should be, but the content providers and content owners are just as confused as the music industry on how to provide for the user it all a big mess rigth now. Nobody is going to give consummers the absolute flexibility to shedule and cherrypick their own Tv experience, it to hard to sell the adds then, they depend on formats that the add buyers can understand like day time TV or a geographical or cultural context. don't forget that the big money in TV comes from the comercials nobody would afford TV if it where all paid by the subscription , thats a fraction of the costs involved. So the TV exist to expose you to comercials, your favorite TV show is a tool to have you sitting there :) They must reinvent how to sell add space in internet based TV. at first we will simply see cable TV 2.0 but you stick an ehternet wire into the box. more flexible solution that really use the internet will eventually emerge later much later . I'm just thinking about how much potential add space they sold via my cabel TV subscription, to get some channel I want a bunch of other cr*p is bundled to it in a package, possibly I sometimes watch a channel I did not really wanted and happen to be exposed to a comercial bingo $$ they won :-/ boxes than can record TV is enough headache for them when people ffwd the comercials... I see a future with even more product placement where you can click on the actors clothes and cars and get conected to some other content, a future where a TV show a comercial and propaganda is the same thing where no pure art exists and all information is disneyfied for your fammily friendly internet experience ;) BBC manage without subscription - a yearly licence fee is sufficient - and results in the best radio and TV in the world. Subscription tv is a curse. -- castalla 1 Touch - Muse M50 EX TPA3123 T-Amp Mini - Acoustics Q10 speakers - 2 duff ears - purrfekt! castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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castalla;673034 Wrote: BBC manage without subscription - a yearly licence fee is sufficient - and results in the best radio and TV in the world. Subscription tv is a curse. They do get some £ by selling those shows to other networks... or you could pay to get BBC (I can with my cable operator ). Yes public service TV here in Sweden is OK to but with such small population not the financial strength of BBC and can't compete regarding producing some of the more expensive kinds of shows, you know they buy those from BBC sometimes :) -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Mnyb;673031 Wrote: don't forget that the big money in TV comes from the comercials nobody would afford TV if it where all paid by the subscription , thats a fraction of the costs involved. So the TV exist to expose you to comercials, your favorite TV show is a tool to have you sitting there :) or abundantly high payments will be leveled to normal and a lot of expensive stuff, which are questionable, will go to nirvana - e.g. cost adjustment :-) I would support this -- AndreE == Duet: 2 Controllers + 4 Receivers and 1 Touch Intel Atom 330 Linux Server wired Ethernet to 1Gb Switch -- Router -- DSL -- net... and happy Family ! AndreE's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech drops Revue, says early Google TV intro a 'mistake'
castalla;673034 Wrote: BBC manage without subscription - a yearly licence fee is sufficient - and results in the best radio and TV in the world. Subscription tv is a curse. we do pay quite some money in Germany on monthly basis - i still question some content produced for it some are very valid and interesting, but it could be definitely more efficient -- AndreE == Duet: 2 Controllers + 4 Receivers and 1 Touch Intel Atom 330 Linux Server wired Ethernet to 1Gb Switch -- Router -- DSL -- net... and happy Family ! AndreE's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Mnyb;673036 Wrote: castalla;673034 Wrote: BBC manage without subscription - a yearly licence fee is sufficient - and results in the best radio and TV in the world. Subscription tv is a curse. They do get some £ by selling those shows to other networks... or you could pay to get BBC (I can with my cable operator ). This is all very true. Whilst the BBC in the UK operates via the licence fee, they still have a very lucrative business selling shows and programming to other networks globally. The licence fee alone would not produce the same breadth and quality of programming. That said, you still can't beat the Beeb. It's one of the things I really miss when I'm the other side of the pond. -- paulster Receiver stuck at blue LED state after reboot? Please vote for bug '17462' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17462) Web Interface sending music to the wrong player? Please vote for bug '17144' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17144) paulster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23073 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech drops Revue, says early Google TV intro a 'mistake'
Good god! Our government in the TV/entertainment business? No thanks. ;) -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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toby10;673059 Wrote: Good god! Our government in the TV/entertainment business? No thanks. ;) The ABC in Australia is very similar to the BBC; it provides the quality I look for in TV programs, some sourced from the BBC. The ABC while funded by Government, has it's own charter and operates independently. Without the ABC providing a quality alternative then all that would available is the dreaded reality programs that are destroying free to air at the moment, and crappy Australian and US sitcoms/soap ;). It works very well, but if the ABC disappeared then TV for me would be out the window. -- Gingernut63 Gingernut63 MonkeySqueeze - Squeezing music into your life! http://twitter.com/#!/MonkeySqueeze1 MonkeySqueeze Support: http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2t=59515 MonkeySqueeze Development: http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19t=59907 Squeezebox Boom - SqueezePlay - Squeeze Player - MediaMonkey - MonkeyTunes Gingernut63's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=48490 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech drops Revue, says early Google TV intro a 'mistake'
to work, a pulic service TV should operate under it's own charter and not under controll by the goverment, you see when it go wrong just tune in the weird channels on your cable TV. men with mustach and khaki uniforms reading the news :) -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech drops Revue, says early Google TV intro a 'mistake'
toby10;672016 Wrote: Yeah, but most of his stuff is like the Partridge Family, David Soul, the Osmonds, Kiki Di, the Carpenters, etc ;) What's wrong with Kiki Dee and the Carpenters? (if you want to hear great songwriting, production and arrangement, listen to the Carpenters - seriously) Kiki Dee's first 2 albums on Rocket are both great too. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters,VdH Toslink,Kimber 8TC Speaker Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech drops Revue, says early Google TV intro a 'mistake'
mherger;672063 Wrote: Well, I think Logitech are still thinking about doing *something* with Squeezebox. They emailed me today with a massive survey all around SB that I duly filled out for them. It was huge and took ages. Hope they appreciate it! Interesting! Can you send me a copy of the questionnaire? (michael ät slimdevices dot com). Thanks! -- Michael Hi Michael Sent. Only thing I was a bit disappointed about was the Transporter wasn't in the devices list in the what hardware do you have? question. -- browellm Modwright Transporter Kondo M7 LV Argento Avantgarde Uno Nano http://www.last.fm/user/browellm browellm's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14260 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Phil Leigh;672090 Wrote: What's wrong with Kiki Dee and the Carpenters? (if you want to hear great songwriting, production and arrangement, listen to the Carpenters - seriously) Kiki Dee's first 2 albums on Rocket are both great too. Now if you want to hear an arrangement bordering on heavanly I'd suggest: +---+ |Filename: Jesus Album.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=12784| +---+ -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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toby10;672105 Wrote: Now if you want to hear an arrangement bordering on heavenly I'd suggest: The original pressing (as pictured) of this album is legendary - only 1 copy is known to exist and has been lodged for safekeeping in the Vatican vaults, but the recent remaster fell victim to the Quietness Wars, for which we should all be grateful. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters,VdH Toslink,Kimber 8TC Speaker Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech drops Revue, says early Google TV intro a 'mistake'
spooky photo ... are they aliens? -- castalla 1 Touch - Muse M50 EX TPA3123 T-Amp Mini - Acoustics Q10 speakers - 2 duff ears - purrfekt! castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Ha! I get a chuckle every time I see that album cover. Just too funny. :) I do enjoy Karen Carpenter. Now Kiki I am not familiar with other than her duet with Elton (and I'd prefer not hearing that one again). -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech drops Revue, says early Google TV intro a 'mistake'
castalla;671693 Wrote: I suspect they are aimed at different consumers. The Brennan is also advertised in the UK daily press and Private Eye (!). A more direct competitor is the Cockail Audio x10. Neither can do what, say, what the Touch can do - and neither are as flexible as players. The x10 does have its fans and its own forum, the Brennan is very much a niche unit. Both are considerably more expensive than Logitechs. Happened to notice the latest issue of What Hi Fi on the shelf recently while doing my grocery shopping (ahem). Front page and main feature was The Top 10 Ways To Stream Your Music (best models for audiophiles, the best on a budget, best for user-friendliness, etc). Not a single Squeezebox mention in the whole thing! Squeezeboxen seem to have gone AWOL on the UK High Street too. One can only hope that Logitech is planning some kind of serious relaunch with a refreshed line-up, or something. -- oktup oktup's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1117 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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oktup;672144 Wrote: Happened to notice the latest issue of What Hi Fi on the shelf recently while doing my grocery shopping (ahem). Front page and main feature was The Top 10 Ways To Stream Your Music (best models for audiophiles, the best on a budget, best for user-friendliness, etc). Not a single Squeezebox mention in the whole thing! Squeezeboxen seem to have gone AWOL on the UK High Street too. One can only hope that Logitech is planning some kind of serious relaunch with a refreshed line-up, or something. Oh dear, that is seriously embarrassing for Logitech. I can't stand What HiFi, but there is no doubting the massive clout it has on the mainstream UK hifi scene. -- browellm Modwright Transporter Kondo M7 LV Argento Avantgarde Uno Nano http://www.last.fm/user/browellm browellm's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14260 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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They cover the 299 pound range upwards - there's nothing avalable from Logitech at those inflated prices. -- castalla 1 Touch - Muse M50 EX TPA3123 T-Amp Mini - Acoustics Q10 speakers - 2 duff ears - purrfekt! castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I would have liked to be on the survey, shame it couldn't be opened to forum members! Sent from my Desire HD using Tapatalk -- socistep socistep's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18860 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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castalla;672150 Wrote: They cover the 299 pound range upwards - there's nothing avalable from Logitech at those inflated prices. But one of the categories was best on a budget, IIRC! It would seem incredibly strange if they had set an arbitrary £299 *minimum* limit for a budget category. Or at least, I would have thought big companies with excellent PR departments would be in contact with magazine staff, and would ensure that any such articles are fair, balanced and comprehensive, if you get my drift, etc. -- oktup oktup's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1117 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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It would also be very interesting to see how many of the ten tested units are from companies that advertise in their publication. ;) -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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toby10;672174 Wrote: It would also be very interesting to see how many of the ten tested units are from companies that advertise in their publication. ;) True. And did they do a blind test like the streamer test in HiFi Choise magazine? -- Pascal Hibon 2 x SB3, 1 x SB Boom and 1 x SB Radio - all wireless ReadyNAS NVX running SBS iPeng on iPod Touch. SqueezePad on iPad. Pascal Hibon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7969 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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toby10;672174 Wrote: It would also be very interesting to see how many of the ten tested units are from companies that advertise in their publication. ;) Ah, you are aware of What HiFi? then :D -- browellm Modwright Transporter Kondo M7 LV Argento Avantgarde Uno Nano http://www.last.fm/user/browellm browellm's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14260 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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browellm;672037 Wrote: Well, I think Logitech are still thinking about doing *something* with Squeezebox. They emailed me today with a massive survey all around SB that I duly filled out for them. It was huge and took ages. Hope they appreciate it! Interesting indeed. I filled it in and only got about three questions. They either didn't like that I was in the UK, or they didn't like the career choices for myself, my family or my close friends. -- funkstar '[project log] funkstars digital lifestyle' (http://forums.hexus.net/hexus-lifestyle/179882-project-log-funkstars-digital-lifestyle.html) - 'hexus.community' (http://forums.hexus.net/) *in use:* *1*x touch, *1*x boom, *2*x sb3, *1*x controller *in a box:* *1*x radio, *1*x (beta) controller, *1*x receiver, *1*x sb2 wired (silver), *1*x sb (black), *1*x slimp3 (with rear shield) if you have any others, let me know, i'm interested!! funkstar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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What do music consumers without an interest in geeky / techy solutions want from a music system these days? In order of importance as I see it: 1. The ability to play music from their iPod (unfortunately I think it will be necessary to concede Apple's dominance here) 2. A portable solution with an amplifier and built in speakers 3. The ability to use streaming services (Napster, Spotify etc) 4. Internet radio 5. Local file storage, or the ability to plug in storage to play local files 6. Multiple native file formats. Eliminate the need for any transcoding. 6. Player synchronisation 7. No need for a PC to be switched on to run distributed music. I think there are a few product opportunities in there for Logitech Squeezebox. You could tick most of these boxes with a merged Boom and Touch with added iPod dock. It would have server firmware that will enable the player to use a memory stick or portable hard drive to play content. This could also act as a server for other players in the house to provide synchronisation via Wi-fi. Because this will bypass computer installation hopefully this will eliminate problems caused by firewalls and other network or software conflicts. No reason these days why it should not have a simple Web interface either. That would still leave room for the Touch which is pretty much a perfect match for its niche. It just needs better marketing and possibly a better implementation of the built-in server software for those not willing to run a server full time. Personally I think a Touch / server combo with a built-in hard drive and the ability to install a full copy of SBS/LMS would be a real coup. This would do away with the need for a PC, NAS or plug computer and all the issues that surround that. It should use N class wi-fi which nowadays is reliable enough to eliminate the need for the server to be wired permanently to the router which is too much of a physical tie. The Radio needs to go touch screen to keep up, but otherwise it is OK. -- TheLastMan Matt http://www.last.fm/user/MJL-UK *SqueezeBoxes:* SB Duet (Controller + two receivers) *Server:* Synology DS107+ NAS (with firmware 2.3-1157) running Squeezebox Server 7.5.1 on Synology Package Manager *Network:* Netgear DG834GT ADSL modem/router, 2 x Buffalo WHR-HP-G54 as access points *Livingroom:* Receiver into Naim 42/110 amp, BW CM2 speakers *Kitchen:* Receiver into Denon DM37 mini-system, BW 686 speakers *Study:* Linn LP12, Naim 72/Hi-cap/Headline. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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funkstar;672217 Wrote: Interesting indeed. I filled it in and only got about three questions. They either didn't like that I was in the UK, or they didn't like the career choices for myself, my family or my close friends. I'm UK too. I agree that some of the questions are response driven and open up other sections, but even so I'm surprised yours was so short. I was miffed that the Transporter wasn't one of the options in the What Hardware do you own? question :-/ -- browellm Modwright Transporter Kondo M7 LV Argento Avantgarde Uno Nano http://www.last.fm/user/browellm browellm's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14260 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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browellm;672247 Wrote: I was miffed that the Transporter wasn't one of the options in the What Hardware do you own? question :-/ Yes, I know. It's as though they're only interested in plastic products these days. A real shame. -- paulster Receiver stuck at blue LED state after reboot? Please vote for bug '17462' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17462) Web Interface sending music to the wrong player? Please vote for bug '17144' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17144) paulster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23073 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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browellm;672198 Wrote: Ah, you are aware of What HiFi? then :D Never heard of it till the post in this thread. Just a hunch. ;) -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Gingernut63;671845 Wrote: The multiple ways of accessing music in LMS must remain. To quote Devo Freedom of choice is what you got, freedom of choice!, is what you want! :)... I hear ya bud, I hear ya. :) Recent posting of a new enthusiastic SB user just discovering a music service (and even questioning why he bothered ripping his 5k CD's). http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=671881#post671881 This is the growing trend of which I speak and why I believe it is absolutely crucial that SB continue adding services and maintaining MySB.com to be a reliable source. The future of all things SB depends on it! -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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toby. I use both myself, my rather smallish music library of a few thousand songs and then I utilize several services for my enjoyment.:)[/QUOTE Wrote: I used to think my collection of 400 odd cd's was quite a reasonable collection until I read garym's posts!! Trev -- gruntwolla Debian sheeva plug running sbs 7.5.4 SB3 + my hifi Duet + AE5's 2 Booms 1 Radio Squeezecommander on htc desire ipeng on wifes iphone gruntwolla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35645 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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gruntwolla;672011 Wrote: I used to think my collection of 400 odd cd's was quite a reasonable collection until I read garym's posts!! Trev ;-) It's an illness (according to my wife). He doesn't post here anymore, but search the Forum for the user iPHONE. His collection makes mine look small! And one of my friends (who believe it or not does NOT do digital music, just CDs and albums) also has a much larger collection. And of course I have a head start...I've been buying music since about 1963 -- garym Location 1: Vortexbox Appliance 6TB (1.10) SbS 7.6.2 Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) Location 2: Win7(64) laptop LMS 7.7.0 TouchBenchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio and laptop) Retired: SB3, Duet Receiver Controlled at both locations with: iPhone (iPeng), iPad (iPengHD SqueezePad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.7 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Additional Tagging - mp3tag garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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gruntwolla;672011 Wrote: I used to think my collection of 400 odd cd's was quite a reasonable collection until I read garym's posts!! Trev Yeah, but most of his stuff is like the Partridge Family, David Soul, the Osmonds, Kiki Di, the Carpenters, etc ;) -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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toby10;672016 Wrote: Yeah, but most of his stuff is like the Partridge Family, David Soul, the Osmonds, Kiki Di, the Carpenters, etc ;) Lol. I USED to own a Carpenter's cd. Unfortunately it got destroyed in a fire before I had a chance to rip it. Trev -- gruntwolla Debian sheeva plug running sbs 7.5.4 SB3 + my hifi Duet + AE5's 2 Booms 1 Radio Squeezecommander on htc desire ipeng on wifes iphone gruntwolla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35645 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I draw the line at David Soul. ;-) -- garym Location 1: Vortexbox Appliance 6TB (1.10) SbS 7.6.2 Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) Location 2: Win7(64) laptop LMS 7.7.0 TouchBenchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio and laptop) Retired: SB3, Duet Receiver Controlled at both locations with: iPhone (iPeng), iPad (iPengHD SqueezePad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.7 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Additional Tagging - mp3tag garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Well, I think Logitech are still thinking about doing *something* with Squeezebox. They emailed me today with a massive survey all around SB that I duly filled out for them. It was huge and took ages. Hope they appreciate it! -- browellm Modwright Transporter Kondo M7 Red Wine Signature 70.2 Avantgarde Uno Nano http://www.last.fm/user/browellm browellm's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14260 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Well, I think Logitech are still thinking about doing *something* with Squeezebox. They emailed me today with a massive survey all around SB that I duly filled out for them. It was huge and took ages. Hope they appreciate it! Interesting! Can you send me a copy of the questionnaire? (michael ät slimdevices dot com). Thanks! -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I got one a few weeks ago and then was invited to participate in a focus group, which I was genuinely excited about as it was a perfect opportunity to give some real world feedback on the Squeezebox products. I waited in and they didn't show up. :-( Turned out they decided they didn't need quite so many participants in the Los Angeles areas and omitted to tell me. -- paulster Receiver stuck at blue LED state after reboot? Please vote for bug '17462' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17462) Web Interface sending music to the wrong player? Please vote for bug '17144' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17144) paulster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23073 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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he he do they invite the usual suspects :) are not they a predictable bunch. But it is much better than a random choice at the busstop help what is this it's not an iPod -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Mnyb;672069 Wrote: he he do they invite the usual suspects :) are not they a predictable bunch. It was the day after I'd registered a new product on the website (to make sure I got any promo offers) that I got the survey sent to me, so I guess it was probably more to do with that than the hard time I've given them here! -- paulster Receiver stuck at blue LED state after reboot? Please vote for bug '17462' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17462) Web Interface sending music to the wrong player? Please vote for bug '17144' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17144) paulster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23073 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Gingernut63;671680 Wrote: The internet is a communication system, what happens if it falls over or someone cuts through a cable etc... How can you access the music then? .. Very true and it doesn't even need to be physical cable cut. Services come and go based on business decisions like Napster ending services in Canada next month. But I also think it is silly to worry about such things if you genuinely have an interest in using such services. You can take that same what if scenario and apply it to many things. What if - my cable TV line is cut - my TV antenna gets blown off my roof - my sat TV service won't work in bad weather - my gas goes out (cut line, shut off, whatever) - my electric goes out (cut line, shut off, brown out, whatever) - my local cell tower shuts off you could drive yourself mad concerning yourself with so many dooms day prophecies. But none of them would impact my decision to avail myself of such services. Or, closer to your heart, I like the idea of LMS + MonkeySqueeze + MediaMonkey but there is always the chance that MonkeySqueeze might not be updated in the future to Win9 or OSX22, so I won't use it (enjoy it) in the mean time. ;) -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Gingernut63;671680 Wrote: .. I like to have ownership and control over the music I listen too. I would however like to access a streaming music service for a short time just to see what all the fuss is about. Indeed I have a friend who is mad keen for me to try it but as previously posted I have no access ;).. I'm sure there might be a small segment of the streaming population that rely exclusively on services and own no music of their own. But I'd bet the vast majority of service users also have a music collection of varying degrees. I use both myself, my rather smallish music library of a few thousand songs and then I utilize several services for my enjoyment. Those services have indeed influenced numerous purchases of additional artists/albums into my music collection. I do see your point and your interest in completely owning and controlling your music. I simply don't agree that it must be all or nothing, that's all. :) -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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toby10;671764 Wrote: I'm sure there might be a small segment of the streaming population that rely exclusively on services and own no music of their own. But I'd bet the vast majority of service users also have a music collection of varying degrees. I use both myself, my rather smallish music library of a few thousand songs and then I utilize several services for my enjoyment. Those services have indeed influenced numerous purchases of additional artists/albums into my music collection. I do see your point and your interest in completely owning and controlling your music. I simply don't agree that it must be all or nothing, that's all. :) For me the two co-exist nicely, I probably listen to my local music 75% of the time then spotify most of the rest and a small % of internet radio, I used to use LastFM heavily before that became subscription based. Spotify is used for trialling new music, user playlists and the occasional ad hoc album/song I don't have in my collection. -- socistep socistep's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18860 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I do not know if it's wise to last only on streaming services. Some people are not happy when they read messages like the following http://www.stholdings.co.uk/2011/11/16/removal-of-content-from-spotify-simfy-rdio-napster/ -- jo-wie 2 * Classic, 2 * Boom, SC 7.6.2 auf GigaByte STA/C mit VIA C7 1GHz, 1GB RAM, 250 GB 2,5 HD, Ubuntu Desktop 8.04 LTS, CD - FLAC = dbpoweramp, Mix MusicIP, Router AVM Fritz 3270 last.fm/user/jo-wie jo-wie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17952 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Quoted from the posted link : 'As a distributor we have to do what is best for our labels. The majority of which do not want their music on such services. They provide poor revenue and have a detrimental affect on sales. Add to that, the feeling that their music loses its specialness by its exploitation as a low value/free commodity. Quoting one of our labels Lets keep the music special, fuck Spotify Requoting the above 'Let's keep music in our hands - you pay overinflated prices - that's the way we like it - f**k the punters'. -- castalla 1 Touch - Muse M50 EX TPA3123 T-Amp Mini - Acoustics Q10 speakers - 2 duff ears - purrfekt! castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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jo-wie;671786 Wrote: I do not know if it's wise to last only on streaming services. Some people are not happy when they read messages like the following http://www.stholdings.co.uk/2011/11/16/removal-of-content-from-spotify-simfy-rdio-napster/ Yes availability can change, also some albums not available to stream Sent from my Desire HD using Tapatalk -- socistep socistep's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18860 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Weird music world, I can stream Adele 21 on Napster. -- jo-wie 2 * Classic, 2 * Boom, SC 7.6.2 auf GigaByte STA/C mit VIA C7 1GHz, 1GB RAM, 250 GB 2,5 HD, Ubuntu Desktop 8.04 LTS, CD - FLAC = dbpoweramp, Mix MusicIP, Router AVM Fritz 3270 last.fm/user/jo-wie jo-wie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17952 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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toby10;671762 Wrote: Very true and it doesn't even need to be physical cable cut. Services come and go based on business decisions like Napster ending services in Canada next month. But I also think it is silly to worry about such things if you genuinely have an interest in using such services. You can take that same what if scenario and apply it to many things. What if - my cable TV line is cut - my TV antenna gets blown off my roof - my sat TV service won't work in bad weather - my gas goes out (cut line, shut off, whatever) - my electric goes out (cut line, shut off, brown out, whatever) - my local cell tower shuts off you could drive yourself mad concerning yourself with so many dooms day prophecies. But none of them would impact my decision to avail myself of such services. Or, closer to your heart, I like the idea of LMS + MonkeySqueeze + MediaMonkey but there is always the chance that MonkeySqueeze might not be updated in the future to Win9 or OSX22, so I won't use it (enjoy it) in the mean time. ;) Are yes, but I don't care about the rest, I just want the music, can't get by without my music (oh and batteries just in case);) -- Gingernut63 Gingernut63 MonkeySqueeze - Squeezing music into your life! http://twitter.com/#!/MonkeySqueeze1 MonkeySqueeze Support: http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2t=59515 MonkeySqueeze Development: http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19t=59907 Squeezebox Boom - SqueezePlay - Squeeze Player - MediaMonkey - MonkeyTunes Gingernut63's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=48490 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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toby10;671764 Wrote: I'm sure there might be a small segment of the streaming population that rely exclusively on services and own no music of their own. But I'd bet the vast majority of service users also have a music collection of varying degrees. I use both myself, my rather smallish music library of a few thousand songs and then I utilize several services for my enjoyment. Those services have indeed influenced numerous purchases of additional artists/albums into my music collection. I do see your point and your interest in completely owning and controlling your music. I simply don't agree that it must be all or nothing, that's all. :) The multiple ways of accessing music in LMS must remain. To quote Devo Freedom of choice is what you got, freedom of choice!, is what you want! :) As stated previously, this is all suposition at the moment. -- Gingernut63 Gingernut63 MonkeySqueeze - Squeezing music into your life! http://twitter.com/#!/MonkeySqueeze1 MonkeySqueeze Support: http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2t=59515 MonkeySqueeze Development: http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19t=59907 Squeezebox Boom - SqueezePlay - Squeeze Player - MediaMonkey - MonkeyTunes Gingernut63's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=48490 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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erland;671554 Wrote: If you ask me, this was a very positive message, because it shows that: 1. Logitech is aware that they need to focus on the user experience to make the products a success, something they haven't done during the last years with all the technical non music and non user related focus. 2. Logitech is planning for a future and doesn't plan to abandon the Squeezebox products as some people seems to think. 3. Logitech are aware of the fact that even if some people doesn't like it online streaming services is important for a success among the masses. 4. Logitech are aware that they can't drop important features that exist today, like playback of locally stored music. If I ask more or less any of my friends when they last purchased a CD, it's not during the last years, they all get their music through other channels than CD's these days. Some purchase music as electronic downloads from Apple, some of gets music from torrent sites, but most of them just gets music from online streaming services. I'm not sure how it looks like in other countries but I'm imagining it's going to be pretty much the same situation everywhere around the world fairly soon. Audiophiles are still going to want the CD because of the quality difference, but Logitech can't target audiophiles because on that market they are going to compete with HiFi manufacturers and most audiophiles are going to trust something with a HiFi manufacturer logo on the front a lot more than something with a Logitech logo on the front. I was not convinced about point 4 the rest I agree . If local playback gets really small compared to streaming it might be seen as just a cost and deleted. But on the other hand there is no big difference from the current situation with very slow unguided development . bugfixes and better MOG was all that was in future plans no 7.8 or 8.0 repo says something too ? Many of our developments aren't absolutely necessary any more, and we need to rework the product from start ugh . What could be scrapped from the very limited functionality it has, it cant even manage playlist that are not playing on any player (without plugins) ? Things could get reworked in a more user friendly fashion but that's another angle. And this Naturally, we'll keep the features our users have liked so far seems promising but which users ? all the web Radio only users that are unaware of the local playback possibilities . -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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You can, of course, hope that this guy is so far removed from the users, developers and marketing department that he has no clue what he's talking about and they'll be left to get on making it the product it should be. But that's always assuming that marketing have any clue, since they unfortunately tend to lead product development these days. :-( -- paulster Receiver stuck at blue LED state after reboot? Please vote for bug '17462' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17462) Web Interface sending music to the wrong player? Please vote for bug '17144' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17144) paulster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23073 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Mnyb;671565 Wrote:
I was not convinced about point 4 the rest I agree .
If local playback gets really small compared to streaming it might be
seen as just a cost and deleted.
But on the other hand there is no big difference from the current
situation with very slow unguided development .
bugfixes and better MOG was all that was in future plans no 7.8 or
8.0 repo says something too ?
It can't get much worse than it already is, can it ?
Except for some new streaming services, when was the last time we got
something that enhanced the music browsing/listening experience ?
Mnyb;671565 Wrote:
Many of our developments aren't absolutely necessary any more, and we
need to rework the product from start ugh .
What could be scrapped from the very limited functionality it has, it
cant even manage playlist that are not playing on any player (without
plugins) ? Things could get reworked in a more user friendly fashion
but that's another angle.
I don't think we should worry too much, as long as they are willing to
spend development resources on it we should be better of than we are
today, especially if the current developers remains and is able to
explain why certain features are needed and they continue to make it
possible to enhance the system through third party add-ons.
SBS/LMS isn't really limited, it's one of the most featured streaming
server available on the market IMHO. So I'm sure there is a lot of
things that could be dropped without affecting most of us.
Of course, some people are going to be disappointed when a feature is
dropped but they will be even more disappointed if Logitech would drop
the complete product. Some dropped features are IMHO preferred instead
of dropping the complete product line which I think some of us have
been worried about for some time.
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I'm not sure I understand why Logitech would want to concentrate on Internet radio. In the UK that market is well catered for with several models from the established radio manufacturers. Most have DAB, and/or FM radios built in as well. Some have CD players or iPod docks. The Logitech Radio, while cheaper than most, does not have many extras, and as far as I am aware, Logitech doesn't have much of a radio history. -- Mushroom_3 Mushroom_3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13434 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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paulster;671566 Wrote: But that's always assuming that marketing have any clue, since they unfortunately tend to lead product development these days. :-( Don't you mean marketing and accounting? I think Logitech started well improving on the Slim Server ideas but over time they have lost direction and during the last couple of years they have been treading water. The exception being the radio. Logitech are a company that markets computer gadgets and remote controls and I don't think Slim Devices/Squeezebox is a good fit and they probably realise that. The product is too expensive to be a match with the rest of the product line. They have tried other delivery systems before and since the purchase and they have all been of a much lesser quality to Squeezebox. Anyway as castalla has stated, while the hardware still functions we can still have a Squeezebox network, it just seems that the future doesn't look too bright at the moment. Sorry erland, I didn't see that many positives coming out of the interview myself, maybe I'm a glass half full person. -- Gingernut63 Gingernut63 MonkeySqueeze - Squeezing music into your life! http://twitter.com/#!/MonkeySqueeze1 MonkeySqueeze Support: http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2t=59515 MonkeySqueeze Development: http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19t=59907 Squeezebox Boom - SqueezePlay - Squeeze Player - MediaMonkey - MonkeyTunes Gingernut63's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=48490 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Gingernut63;671576 Wrote:
Anyway as castalla has stated, while the hardware still functions we
can still have a Squeezebox network, it just seems that the future
doesn't look too bright at the moment. Sorry erland, I didn't see that
many positives coming out of the interview myself, maybe I'm a glass
half full person.
I guess it's just a matter of what you expected them to say, I was
personally worried that they would say that they are going to drop the
Squeezebox line and focus on iPod docks instead. So compared to that,
the interview was pretty positive.
I think we all can see the negative side effect of less focus on audio
quality and less focus on local music playback, but in my mind that's
still better than no focus at all on Squeezeboxes, which is pretty much
is what we have had during the last year.
It doesn't matter if we like it or not, but if Squeezebox is going to
survive within Logitech they need to be able to bring it to the masses,
and to be able to do that they are going to make some people on these
forums disapointed but in my mind that's still better than the
alternative which would be to drop the product line completely.
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erland;671582 Wrote: It doesn't matter if we like it or not, but if Squeezebox is going to survive within Logitech they need to be able to bring it to the masses, and to be able to do that they are going to make some people on these forums disapointed but in my mind that's still better than the alternative which would be to drop the product line completely. True. Nothing has happened yet so there is always hope that things aren't as bad as predicted. Time will tell. One other quick comment. In Australia we have little access to online music delivery such as Spotify (well in Spotifys case none actually). I'm sure there are many other countries not in the US or Europe area that are in the same predicament. Yet I know many business are putting a lot of effort into online music delivery or access. It really #@%%$$# me off that we can't access it. Oh well I suppose I better get used it, in the short term... hopefully. -- Gingernut63 Gingernut63 MonkeySqueeze - Squeezing music into your life! http://twitter.com/#!/MonkeySqueeze1 MonkeySqueeze Support: http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2t=59515 MonkeySqueeze Development: http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19t=59907 Squeezebox Boom - SqueezePlay - Squeeze Player - MediaMonkey - MonkeyTunes Gingernut63's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=48490 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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erland;671582 Wrote: It doesn't matter if we like it or not, but if Squeezebox is going to survive within Logitech they need to be able to bring it to the masses, and to be able to do that they are going to make some people on these forums disapointed. That's where I disagree with you. The reason they haven't brought it to the masses is because they've been absolutely hopeless at marketing and positioning it. If you walk into any given Best Buy in the States, for example, you'll find it in with audio products, clock radios, computer accessories or other random locations. Not so with Sonos that has proper branding displays and strict placement rules, because they've taken the time and effort to work out how it needs to be pitched. Logitech are big enough and experienced enough to be able to do this; they just haven't bothered and have let it slip right through their fingers. The product manager should be sacked and they should get someone in who actually understands what the product it, what demographic will purchase it and, just as important, see how their competitors (i.e. Sonos) are pitching and placing their products, and then use their significantly larger corporate backing to beat them at their own game. It's product marketing 101. -- paulster Receiver stuck at blue LED state after reboot? Please vote for bug '17462' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17462) Web Interface sending music to the wrong player? Please vote for bug '17144' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17144) paulster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23073 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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paulster;671586 Wrote:
That's where I disagree with you. The reason they haven't brought it to
the masses is because they've been absolutely hopeless at marketing and
positioning it.
If you walk into any given Best Buy in the States, for example, you'll
find it in with audio products, clock radios, computer accessories or
other random locations. Not so with Sonos that has proper branding
displays and strict placement rules, because they've taken the time and
effort to work out how it needs to be pitched.
Logitech are big enough and experienced enough to be able to do this;
they just haven't bothered and have let it slip right through their
fingers.
The product manager should be sacked and they should get someone in who
actually understands what the product it, what demographic will purchase
it and, just as important, see how their competitors (i.e. Sonos) are
pitching and placing their products, and then use their significantly
larger corporate backing to beat them at their own game. It's product
marketing 101.
Just to be clear, I 100% agree with you regarding this, it's just that
I don't think it's enough, I think it will require changes in the
software too. However, without proper marketing it's never going to
work independent which software changes they make, selling an audio
streaming device to the masses is always going to require more
advertisement/marketing than mices and keyboards. I assume there are
people within Logitech that understands this.
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erland;671582 Wrote: It doesn't matter if we like it or not, but if Squeezebox is going to survive within Logitech they need to be able to bring it to the masses, and to be able to do that they are going to make some people on these forums disapointed but in my mind that's still better than the alternative which would be to drop the product line completely. erland;671554 Wrote: If you ask me, this was a very positive message . If I ask more or less any of my friends when they last purchased a CD... but most of them just gets music from online streaming services. I'm not sure how it looks like in other countries but I'm imagining it's going to be pretty much the same situation everywhere around the world fairly soon +1 ;) Precisely why I am also encouraged by the comments and the general direction. I see the same trends with my friends and acquaintances, as well as my own listening. I think many of the audiophile SB customers (I don't qualify myself) too quickly dismiss the offered online content with a who needs it attitude. Well, the majority of customers want it and SB needs it to stay relevant in the streaming hardware market. The mass production of these players keeps the per unit price *very* reasonable. Take away such services and your unit sales will plummet, making a Touch player much more expensive and eventually dropped by Logitech (or whoever) all together as an under performer in their product offerings. Like everyone else I hope they don't dumb it down too much, we wait we see. -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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toby10;671593 Wrote: I think many of the audiophile SB customers (I don't qualify myself) too quickly dismiss the offered online content with a who needs it attitude. I would qualify myself as a audiophile user, but I don't think the issue is the who needs it attitude, but the There aren't any streaming services available attitude. In the Netherlands you can choose between Spotify, Spotify and Spotify. Oh, you can get Spotify, too. I just cancelled my Spotify subscription, I couldn't justify the costs of the premium subscription needed for Spotify on the Squeezebox, while I buy several CDs (and/or downloads) a month. That's severel times the costs of a Spotify premium subscription. I didn't use Spotify that much... -- verypsb 1x Boom, 1x Classic, 2x Controller, 2x Receiver, 1x Touch Please vote for bug 1330: new music should work on creation date http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1330 Please vote for bug 17205: Artists with accented characters not correctly sorted in pagebar. http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17205 verypsb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17295 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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verypsb;671613 Wrote: I would qualify myself as a audiophile user, but I don't think the issue is the who needs it attitude, but the There aren't any streaming services available attitude. Agreed. But imagine how much more popular SB players would be in your market if there were actual competing streaming choices. That's my point. ;) More services = more choices = more interest = more streaming hardware sales (for all mfr's, not just SB). -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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verypsb;671613 Wrote: I would qualify myself as a audiophile user, but I don't think the issue is the who needs it attitude, but the There aren't any streaming services available attitude. +1, although I would only qualify myself as a music lover. Music is too important for me not to own it, and these online services are like loaning music. I just don't like this idea. They may be a great way to discover new music, but I couldn't live with them as my sole mean of listening to music. I'm perfectly aware most people would, though. In these trouble times, I'm worried that if I ever get to lose my job and am broke someday, I wouldn't be able to continue paying for them, but would still be able to listen to the thousand albums I've bought so far (and even try to sold some to make some cash). Even if I could afford it today, I'm not a subscriber to this kind of services today because I simply wouldn't use them enough to make it worth the monthly cost. -- sebp 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/sebp) sebp's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11768 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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sebp;671626 Wrote: Music is too important for me not to own it, and these online services are like loaning music. I just don't like this idea. They may be a great way to discover new music, but I couldn't live with them as my sole mean of listening to music. I'm perfectly aware most people would, though. In these trouble times, I'm worried that if I ever get to lose my job and am broke someday, I wouldn't be able to continue paying for them, but would still be able to listen to the thousand albums I've bought so far (and even try to sold some to make some cash). Agree with all the above. I like to have ownership and control over the music I listen too. I would however like to access a streaming music service for a short time just to see what all the fuss is about. Indeed I have a friend who is mad keen for me to try it but as previously posted I have no access ;). The internet is a communication system, what happens if it falls over or someone cuts through a cable etc... How can you access the music then? Who is driving streaming music online? Is it the customers or is the companies? I also don't like the idea of storing my data online in the cloud. Do we as consumers actually sit down and think of the ramifications of adopting new technology and services. Again, who is driving a lot of these ideas? -- Gingernut63 Gingernut63 MonkeySqueeze - Squeezing music into your life! http://twitter.com/#!/MonkeySqueeze1 MonkeySqueeze Support: http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2t=59515 MonkeySqueeze Development: http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19t=59907 Squeezebox Boom - SqueezePlay - Squeeze Player - MediaMonkey - MonkeyTunes Gingernut63's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=48490 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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The product manager should be sacked and they should get someone in who actually understands what the product it, what demographic will purchase it Yep. I've just seen a TV advert for the Brennan player on Sky News here in England. If a one product SME can do marketing, why not Logitech? -- amcluesent amcluesent's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10286 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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amcluesent;671686 Wrote: The product manager should be sacked and they should get someone in who actually understands what the product it, what demographic will purchase it Yep. I've just seen a TV advert for the Brennan player on Sky News here in England. If a one product SME can do marketing, why not Logitech? I suspect they are aimed at different consumers. The Brennan is also advertised in the UK daily press and Private Eye (!). A more direct competitor is the Cockail Audio x10. Neither can do what, say, what the Touch can do - and neither are as flexible as players. The x10 does have its fans and its own forum, the Brennan is very much a niche unit. Both are considerably more expensive than Logitechs. -- castalla 1 Touch - Muse M50 EX TPA3123 T-Amp Mini - Acoustics Q10 speakers - 2 duff ears - purrfekt! castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Oh dear, something has changed since this posting on a website about the Duet back in May 21, 2008 Logitech bought Slim Devices, but we retained virtually all (I think we lost one) the same developers that brought you the Squeezebox Classic and Transporter. That includes the founder and lead product tinkerer Sean Adams, and our Director of Engineering Dean Blackketter. With the additional funding Logitech has thrown behind us, we actually expanded our engineering ranks quite a bit by hiring some of our most prolific community developers. I can't speak for how the keyboard guys release their software, but the main reason we acquired these guys was their expertise in the field. The Logitech overloards have not taken over, in fact we're having an affect on the rest of the company in terms of how the greater Logitech releases and tests their software and products with our whole open source thing. Mike __ Michael Valera Online Communities Manager Logitech Streaming Media Business Unit slimdevices.com . -- Gingernut63 Gingernut63 MonkeySqueeze - Squeezing music into your life! http://twitter.com/#!/MonkeySqueeze1 MonkeySqueeze Support: http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2t=59515 MonkeySqueeze Development: http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19t=59907 Squeezebox Boom - SqueezePlay - Squeeze Player - MediaMonkey - MonkeyTunes Gingernut63's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=48490 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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erland;671582 Wrote: I guess it's just a matter of what you expected them to say, I was personally worried that they would say that they are going to drop the Squeezebox line and focus on iPod docks instead. So compared to that, the interview was pretty positive. This is some kind of worst case scenario, but I'm afraid Logitech could design their future SB products as fat clients with closed-source firmware. Being closed-source, they could embed all the required stuff to access online music services. mysb.com not being needed any more, they could shut it down (and I guess this alone would imply huge savings!). Then, most potential consumers have always complained the SB couldn't simply connect to a UPnP server, but required a specific server. Logitech could just make the future SB a UPnP client. Say good bye to SBS/LMS. Future will tell, but I find this scenario quite plausible. I guess I should buy few Touch before it's too late... -- sebp 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/sebp) sebp's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11768 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Here's (my rough and probably inaccurate translation for) an excerpt from 'an interview' (http://www.clubic.com/internet/google/google-tv/actualite-458400-logitech-interview-junien-labrousse.html) by Junien Labrousse (Executive Vice President, Products and President, Logitech Europe): NOW THAT AIRPLAY TECHNOLOGY BECOMES THE GENERAL RULE, WHAT'S THE FUTURE OF THE SQUEEZEBOX DIGITAL MUSIC STREAMING RANGE OF PRODUCTS? The Squeezebox range of products fills a very specific need. Listening to Internet radios, accessing online music services (Deezer and Spotify, for example). There are several things to improve: we have to simplify the product's positioning because it's hard to sell, but we also have to work on the user interface. The first Squeezebox was used to stream music anywhere in one's house. Internet radios came later. In fact, most of Squeezebox customers today are more interested by the Internet radio capability. Many of our developments aren't absolutely necessary any more, and we need to rework the product from start for a positioning change. Naturally, we'll keep the features our users have liked so far. Doesn't smell very good, if you ask me... -- sebp 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/sebp) sebp's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11768 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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sebp;671384 Wrote: Here's (my rough and probably inaccurate translation for) an excerpt from 'an interview' (http://www.clubic.com/internet/google/google-tv/actualite-458400-logitech-interview-junien-labrousse.html) by Junien Labrousse (Executive Vice President, Products and President, Logitech Europe): Doesn't smell very good, if you ask me... Blast :-/ wonder if we be able to access local files at all and with what sound quality. With our usual luck dumbing down the product will not make it easier to use or make it more attractive for new customers it will just get dumber . Most of the complications is still outside logitechs controll (wifi + computer firewalls and antivirus and network setup ) If the install process where simply to throw it trough the front door the masses would still think it's geeky and to hard to use and return to their iPod docks . And squeezeboxes will be useless. If by a slim chance they suceed they will immediately be outcompeted by all other cheap internetradios out there . It will just be another cheap internet radio, no special sauce here ? Next thing to sacrifice is sound quality and build quality to get to the 99$ mark -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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On the other hand fixing all the bugs could get us along way without sacrificing anything -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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In fact, most of Squeezebox customers today are more interested by the Internet radio capability. Like it or not (I do) this is the future of the entire product line and I'd bet it's the key reason Logitech was really interested in SB in the first place. -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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toby10;671395 Wrote: In fact, most of Squeezebox customers today are more interested by the Internet radio capability. Like it or not (I do) this is the future of the entire product line and I'd bet it's the key reason Logitech was really interested in SB in the first place. that is not the part I'm troubled by :) it's the rest, using internet radio with a squeezebox is already quite simple, improvements here could probably gain more varied and better content. And some bug s ironed out with mysb.com it's noted unreliability for many users defunct alarms etc. better and easier apps and search mechanism . the streaming market is somewhat neglected by logitech all kinds of services popping up all around the world. We are often the last to enjouy a new service rarely the first. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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toby10;671395 Wrote: In fact, most of Squeezebox customers today are more interested by the Internet radio capability. Like it or not (I do) this is the future of the entire product line and I'd bet it's the key reason Logitech was really interested in SB in the first place. I guess I'm one of the few Squeezebox users who does not use Internet radio at all (just used it for a short time in 2009). I do understand how some would use it to discover new music but I don't see myself using it as a primary source (unless sound quality has gotten better). -- CharlieG CharlieG's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32439 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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CharlieG;671447 Wrote: I guess I'm one of the few Squeezebox users who does not use Internet radio at all (just used it for a short time in 2009). I do understand how some would use it to discover new music but I don't see myself using it as a primary source (unless sound quality has gotten better). I use internet radio a lot, but not so much for music (although I sometimes use Radio Paradise 192 streams as background music). I have lots of my own music and for main music listening I use that. But my wife and I prefer all the many news stations we can get from elsewhere. For example I like things that are on WNYC-AM (one of the public radio stations in NYC). And I enjoy (in a strange way) the morning Jazz show (as much history/talking as music) called Bird Flight on NYC's WKCR with Phil Schaap. These are just a handful of examples. I like canadian broadcasting for certain things, local stations in Texas where I'm from, etc. This said, I want LMS to be excellent for my own FLAC files *and* for internet radio and services (spotify, pandora, etc.). -- garym Location 1: Vortexbox Appliance 6TB (1.10) SbS 7.6.2 Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) Location 2: Win7(64) laptop LMS 7.7.0 TouchBenchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio and laptop) Retired: SB3, Duet Receiver Controlled at both locations with: iPhone (iPeng), iPad (iPengHD SqueezePad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.7 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Additional Tagging - mp3tag garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Much of internet radios problems is in it's multitude of everything from streaming quality to a plethora of formats apps and streaming aggregatetors broadcasters and whatnot . Sometimes working against there user interest and revert to obscure formats only usable from a pc , or by constantly shift url to something else . Constanly shifting URL should be a crime There are at least 1's of stations playing greatests hit's or dance music why ? there is so much repetition . Helping users to wade trough that and locate the content of interest would be the mission statement Talk radio and pods is it any better, not gotten i to that yet . Make squeezebox a better podcast player bookmark and resume anyone ? If you build a meta service it should not only aggregate and present. mysqueezebox.com does that but in 1/100 of the speed needed to keep up with the development, why not present a new app/service every week. The apps should be better . Example Triode surpased logitechs spotify implemetation on his sparetime ? Try the shoutcast app, every time I try to use it has crashed in some new funny way. But a greater goal would be to traverse *all* apps and services a user subcribes to and get the content presented in a user friendly way in a consistent UI . If I want to listen to science podcasts or have some party music with the latest electronica I don't really care for if the playlist is aggregated from 758 different providers. Or if I want to hear Blues mysqueezebox.com should use be able to find in everywhere in all my services and radio stations and make sugestions . mysqueeezebox.com should of-course learn my preferences and eventually be able to smartly present things I might be interested in. Ofcourse in a user friendly fashion. Improvement of their own phone/pad app could be great for mysqueezebox.com only users . Why not global settings ? I would like to able to filter out any radio channel 128kbs if it music and 64k if it is talk and make it prefer higher bitrates and put those on top in the searches. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Is having your own music collection now a thing of the past? Do the majority of Squeezebox users what their music collection in the cloud? Do the majority of Squeezebox users only listen to radio? Do they care about the fidelity of the sound? Big decisions. Could have huge ramifications for Squeezebox at it's users. I doubt that the status quo will remain. If this is true then be prepared for major changes and not necessarily good ones. I've yet to see positive outcomes when businesses reinvent a line to make it more profitable. As already highlighted, standards will drop straight away. From a business point of view the current hardware is too expensive for mass adoption so there will be a push to produce cheaper units with less quality. If they retain the high quality gear while doing this then not a problem but only time will tell. If they concentrate on internet sources at the expense of local content then I'm sure a large number of users will be annoyed and will rethink their use of Squeezebox. Maybe I'm in the minority on this one or am I just showing my age? Interesting times. Of course until we get more facts this is all supposition. -- Gingernut63 Gingernut63 MonkeySqueeze - Squeezing music into your life! http://twitter.com/#!/MonkeySqueeze1 MonkeySqueeze Support: http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2t=59515 MonkeySqueeze Development: http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19t=59907 Squeezebox Boom - SqueezePlay - Squeeze Player - MediaMonkey - MonkeyTunes Gingernut63's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=48490 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I hear you. I was dismayed enough when they introduced a mono product (the Radio) and then discontinued the Transporter without a proper hi-fi component replacement. Funny enough I was just thinking about adding a couple of Touches to get some more zones, but I'm now going to look at the alternative products available where there is some sort of commitment to hi-fi. -- paulster Receiver stuck at blue LED state after reboot? Please vote for bug '17462' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17462) Web Interface sending music to the wrong player? Please vote for bug '17144' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17144) paulster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23073 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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paulster;671487 Wrote: I hear you. I was dismayed enough when they introduced a mono product (the Radio) and then discontinued the Transporter without a proper hi-fi component replacement. Funny enough I was just thinking about adding a couple of Touches to get some more zones, but I'm now going to look at the alternative products available where there is some sort of commitment to hi-fi. The Touch is still a fine player , but uncertain future is never good . For local playback one could just stick to the current version of everything for a long time . However this indicates that there may be some kind of future for the products the alternative would have been that they discontinued it. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Why all the panic and rumour? The Touch is perfectly useable via LMS, even if development stops and/or mysb.com shuts down. That's a lot more then many other systems which depend almost exclusively on a database server accessible via the internet. Calm down. -- castalla 1 Touch - Muse M50 EX TPA3123 T-Amp Mini - Acoustics Q10 speakers - 2 duff ears - purrfekt! castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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sebp;671384 Wrote:
Here's (my rough and probably inaccurate translation for) an excerpt
from 'an interview'
(http://www.clubic.com/internet/google/google-tv/actualite-458400-logitech-interview-junien-labrousse.html)
by Junien Labrousse (Executive Vice President, Products and President,
Logitech Europe):
NOW THAT AIRPLAY TECHNOLOGY BECOMES THE GENERAL RULE, WHAT'S THE FUTURE
OF THE SQUEEZEBOX DIGITAL MUSIC STREAMING RANGE OF PRODUCTS?
The Squeezebox range of products fills a very specific need. Listening
to Internet radios, accessing online music services (Deezer and
Spotify, for example). There are several things to improve: we have to
simplify the product's positioning because it's hard to sell, but we
also have to work on the user interface. The first Squeezebox was used
to stream music anywhere in one's house. Internet radios came later. In
fact, most of Squeezebox customers today are more interested by the
Internet radio capability. Many of our developments aren't absolutely
necessary any more, and we need to rework the product from start for a
positioning change. Naturally, we'll keep the features our users have
liked so far.
Doesn't smell very good, if you ask me...
If you ask me, this was a very positive message, because it shows
that:
1. Logitech is aware that they need to focus on the user experience to
make the products a success, something they haven't done during the
last years with all the technical non music and non user related
focus.
2. Logitech is planning for a future and doesn't plan to abandon the
Squeezebox products as some people seems to think.
3. Logitech are aware of the fact that even if some people doesn't like
it online streaming services is important for a success among the
masses.
4. Logitech are aware that they can't drop important features that
exist today, like playback of locally stored music.
If I ask more or less any of my friends when they last purchased a CD,
it's not during the last years, they all get their music through other
channels than CD's these days. Some purchase music as electronic
downloads from Apple, some of gets music from torrent sites, but most
of them just gets music from online streaming services. I'm not sure
how it looks like in other countries but I'm imagining it's going to be
pretty much the same situation everywhere around the world fairly soon.
Audiophiles are still going to want the CD because of the quality
difference, but Logitech can't target audiophiles because on that
market they are going to compete with HiFi manufacturers and most
audiophiles are going to trust something with a HiFi manufacturer logo
on the front a lot more than something with a Logitech logo on the
front.
--
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paulster;671487 Wrote:
I was dismayed enough when they introduced a mono product (the Radio)
and then discontinued the Transporter without a proper hi-fi component
replacement.
Funny enough I was just thinking about adding a couple of Touches to
get some more zones, but I'm now going to look at the alternative
products available where there is some sort of commitment to hi-fi.
I would suggest that anyone that wants HiFi should either get a
Squeezebox Touch, as it's likely going to be the last Squeezebox with
excellent audio quality, or get something from a HiFi manufacturer that
you know is going to be there tomorrow and you know is going to focus on
HiFi also tomorrow.
The only issue with HiFi manufacturers is that even if they are
focusing on audio quality they aren't necessarily focusing on streaming
audio, so their products can have other disadvantages compared to
Squeezebox products, but if audio quality is the number one priority my
feeling is still that a HiFi manufacturer is the right choice for you.
Just be aware that things like synchronized playback between different
rooms aren't necessarily going to be something they focus on 2 years in
the future, because it's not something that enhance the audio quality
from an audiophile perspective.
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erland;671554 Wrote: Audiophiles are still going to want the CD because of the quality difference, but Logitech can't target audiophiles because on that market they are going to compete with HiFi manufacturers and most audiophiles are going to trust something with a HiFi manufacturer logo on the front a lot more than something with a Logitech logo on the front. They still own the SlimDevices brand. Use it. My Ultimate Ears personal monitors are still called Ultimate Ears since Logitech bought them, because no touring professional in their right mind would rely on a Logitech-branded product. There's no reason why they can't do the same for hi-fi, and use Logitech for the more consumer-oriented products like the radio et. al. -- paulster Receiver stuck at blue LED state after reboot? Please vote for bug '17462' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17462) Web Interface sending music to the wrong player? Please vote for bug '17144' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17144) paulster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23073 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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paulster;671557 Wrote:
They still own the SlimDevices brand. Use it.
My Ultimate Ears personal monitors are still called Ultimate Ears since
Logitech bought them, because no touring professional in their right
mind would rely on a Logitech-branded product. There's no reason why
they can't do the same for hi-fi, and use Logitech for the more
consumer-oriented products like the radio et. al.
The reason is that Logitech isn't used to sell products to audiophile
markets and neither was Slim Devices. The current situations is also
that I believe they have managed to get rid of everyone from Slim
Devices who potentially might have known how to market something on the
audiophile market.
So they could certainly get around the brand label issue as you
describe, but it doesn't matter if they don't understand how to
market/sell it because then it's only going to be purchased by people
on these forum.
Just to illustrate what I mean, I walked into my local HiFi store
earlier this year and asked them about which audio streaming solution
they recommended, they totally trashed anything from
Logitech/SlimDevices, including the Touch and even Transporter which
they said wasn't nearly as good as Sonos or Teac. Main reason for this
is not the audio quality, which we all know is likely better in
Touch/Transporter, but because Logitech/SlimDevices doesn't know how to
market it to make HiFi stores actually recommend it to their customers.
They had both Sonos, Teac and Touch/Transporter in the store, they just
didn't recommend anything from Logitech/SlimDevices, likely because
their margins/benefits were better if I purchased Sonos or Teac.
If Logitech wants to sell products to audiophiles, I strongly believe
they also have to manage to get the HiFi stores interested in selling
them, and I'm pretty sure this isn't going to be a priority within
Logitech.
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shaboyi;671001 Wrote: Please, please, please replace the Touch, get a good USB dac and enjoy MediaMonkey. You should be happier. Can you explain why this strange piece of advice ? Like a lot of people, I love the Touch hardware, but I am fed up with SBS/LMS. It is a common point of view you will find in a lot of forums, even on this one. Nobody forces you to share this point of view. The Touch is a terrific piece of hardware. It is nice, great for internet streaming. The internal Dac is excellent. It is certainly not now that I got rid of LMS problems that I am going to leave the Touch. Why people like you are having a problem if Squeezebox users can take advantage of those terrific hardware without suffering this weird and unreliable software it comes with ? If you do want to stick with LMS and nothing else, that is perfect. Do it, nobody will force you to do otherwise. -- nicolas75 nicolas75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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aubuti;670630 Wrote: Thanks, Gingernut63, for laying out the pros and cons so clearly. Given my situation, I personally don't see the appeal, because SBS works reliably for me, and MM/MS's inability to do multiple streams is a dealbreaker. But I'm glad it's there for others who might benefit. Keep up the good work. I just tried MonkeySqueeze 2.0 with MediaMonkey 4 and LMS 7.7.0 It is just GREAT to say the least ... Very easy to install and configure within a few minutes, you can still use LMS the normal way if you feel like it, and MediaMonkey make things so much simpler for basic use. Probably the biggest and best software improvement I have seen in the last 4 years for my squeezebox ... It is really more than worth a try. -- nicolas75 nicolas75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech drops Revue, says early Google TV intro a 'mistake'
Please, please, please replace the Touch, get a good USB dac and enjoy MediaMonkey. You should be happier. On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 8:35 AM, nicolas75 nicolas75.53as5z1321450...@no-mx.forums.slimdevices.com wrote: Gingernut63;670431 Wrote: @nicolas75, aubuti This is not totally correct. If you have LMS on your PC then you don't have to have a LMS music database, hence no scanning. An empty folder is all that is required for the music folder address. MediaMonkey can manage your music database and it tells Squeezebox what to play. LMS is still required and anyway it has useful plugins that MediaMonkey doesn't. LMS on a Linux NAS (e.g. ReadyNAS DUO) does require a managed music database due to file format issues between the windows OS and Linux. Try MediaMonkey(basic)/MonkeySqueeze for yourself and see the advantages of playing your music collection on Squeezebox using these freeware programs. The official release is here: http://www.mediamonkey.com/addons/browse/item/monkeysqueeze/ Also try the MonkeySqueeze Development site for the latest beta which has playlist sync: http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19t=59907 Thanks. The problem is that from MediaMonkey forums and your messages, there are annoying delays (I use mainly flac files ...) with this plugin. I must say I don't feel like being a beta tester like with LMS. If I have to install LMS, start it with an empty database, and so on, I guess it will be much easier to run directly MediaMonkey with a smartphone application, and replace the Touch by a good USB dac ... With a small silent and nice Nettop like Asrock ones, it may be the perfect solution. I am more inclined to check how easily MediaMonkey can be controlled with a smartphone, than mixing Squeezeboxes, LMS and MediaMonkey. At this point It seems to me that good solution are - LMS get decent files selection and library management, and I can stick it. - LMS doesn't and I have to completely get rid of LMS If I have to get rid LMS - Squeezeboxes can be used without LMS at all (I can accept TinySBS if it is improved, there are simple bugzilla bugs to fix for that) and I keep the Touch without LMS - If not possible, I replace the Touch by a good USB dac and forget about Squeezeboxes. The mere point here is that Logitech is a hardware company, not a software company. They make money with squeezeboxes, not with LMS (which is free). A smart manager should understand that a squeezebox Touch should be seen as a network soundcard from any PC music software, or as a standalone device running an optimized TinySBS. If people want to mess with LMS and its weird scanning, it is there, they can use it, but it should be only another not mandatory option. -- nicolas75 nicolas75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech drops Revue, says early Google TV intro a 'mistake'
aubuti;670379 Wrote: I'm curious to try MediaMonkey, but before I go to the bother of installing it, could you explain how MM gets the tracks from my computer to my stereo systems? I've browsed the MM web page, and so far to me it looks to be more like iTunes, Winamp, Foobar2000, etc. That is, designed to play back on the computer itself, or possibly output to an audio system via soundcard, USB, or maybe digital output. But maybe I'm overlooking something. Thanks. .. primarily for play lists. When I want to hear an album, then I usually use the SB system natively, as it were. Have used Winamp, Foobar and MediaMonkey - have to say that MM with MonkeySqueeze does it for me - the ONLY issue, to date, is the synching - when that is fixed, and it appears that it will happen, then it will be just about perfect. Great music library management, plus great playlist management. Have, in fact, almost never had a problem with the SB scanning system, although it is slow, but then I have learnt to be extremely anal about tagging - primarily use ID3-TagIT for quick fixes, and MP3Tag to make sure everything is tickety-boo and to add artwork to each track, if I can be bothereed! Was quite delighted when I discovered MM and MS - solved one of my all time problems - creating large playlists quickly and easily, using my whole collection (just under 20,000 tracks) AND playing them. I tend to export the playlists so that they are available natively to SB, plus just play them thru MM if synching isnt an issue. Not perfect, I know, but then nothing really is and it works for me! -- sherington sherington's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2587 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech drops Revue, says early Google TV intro a 'mistake'
Accepted. On 16 Nov 2011, at 07:44, Muele wrote: cunobelinus;670449 Wrote: On 16 Nov 2011, at 07:30, Muele wrote: Btw I'm very pleased to here that Logitech is devoted to Squeezebox. Pleased to where? Ja, undskyld at engelsk ikke er mit modersmål. Men jeg rettede dog fejlen to minutter inden du nåede at påpege den. -- Muele BR Mogens 2 Radios (1 battery), 2 Controllers, 2 Receivers, 1 Softsqueeze (at work), SqueezeCommander and SqueezePlayer on Se X10 mini and HTC Desire. Served by an old 800 mhz IBM T21 Thinkpad (Yes I know most phones have more cpu-power these days, but it gets the job done). Muele's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21310 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech drops Revue, says early Google TV intro a 'mistake'
I've reduced the amount of time I spent 'working' on my SB/music system this year (first born arrived in Jan), 4 main tools I use to reduce the overhead 1) Reliable server - Invested in a HP proliant microserver which is rock steady, quick and quiet 2) Vortexbox - Installed on above, have had for a number of years and reduces the manual ripping/tagging work 3) Erlands plugins - Use ratings/dynamic playlists, 'top rated' playlists form the bulk of background/casual listening 4) Spotify - Use spotify for other playlists and also for music on the go, this has reduced the time needed to get music onto iphone/android phone for in car and on the go music Before I spent quite a bit of time making sure tags/artwork was correct, still had a lot to go but that has dropped down the priority list, I will probably once a month go in and correct new music tags where I wasn't happy with the vortexbox result (e.g. year or genre incorrect) - I've probably spent more ad-hoc time rating tracks in my library however limited time - I prefer now just to chill out and listen to the music :-) -- socistep socistep's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18860 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech drops Revue, says early Google TV intro a 'mistake'
Gingernut63;670431 Wrote: @nicolas75, aubuti This is not totally correct. If you have LMS on your PC then you don't have to have a LMS music database, hence no scanning. An empty folder is all that is required for the music folder address. MediaMonkey can manage your music database and it tells Squeezebox what to play. LMS is still required and anyway it has useful plugins that MediaMonkey doesn't. LMS on a Linux NAS (e.g. ReadyNAS DUO) does require a managed music database due to file format issues between the windows OS and Linux. Try MediaMonkey(basic)/MonkeySqueeze for yourself and see the advantages of playing your music collection on Squeezebox using these freeware programs. The official release is here: http://www.mediamonkey.com/addons/browse/item/monkeysqueeze/ Also try the MonkeySqueeze Development site for the latest beta which has playlist sync: http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19t=59907 Thanks. The problem is that from MediaMonkey forums and your messages, there are annoying delays (I use mainly flac files ...) with this plugin. I must say I don't feel like being a beta tester like with LMS. If I have to install LMS, start it with an empty database, and so on, I guess it will be much easier to run directly MediaMonkey with a smartphone application, and replace the Touch by a good USB dac ... With a small silent and nice Nettop like Asrock ones, it may be the perfect solution. I am more inclined to check how easily MediaMonkey can be controlled with a smartphone, than mixing Squeezeboxes, LMS and MediaMonkey. At this point It seems to me that good solution are - LMS get decent files selection and library management, and I can stick it. - LMS doesn't and I have to completely get rid of LMS If I have to get rid LMS - Squeezeboxes can be used without LMS at all (I can accept TinySBS if it is improved, there are simple bugzilla bugs to fix for that) and I keep the Touch without LMS - If not possible, I replace the Touch by a good USB dac and forget about Squeezeboxes. The mere point here is that Logitech is a hardware company, not a software company. They make money with squeezeboxes, not with LMS (which is free). A smart manager should understand that a squeezebox Touch should be seen as a network soundcard from any PC music software, or as a standalone device running an optimized TinySBS. If people want to mess with LMS and its weird scanning, it is there, they can use it, but it should be only another not mandatory option. -- nicolas75 nicolas75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech drops Revue, says early Google TV intro a 'mistake'
aubuti;670399 Wrote: Ah, that's what I was afraid of. Doesn't sound like a solution for me. And I'm already familiar with the capabilities of all-purpose audio/media software like iTunes, Winamp, Foobar, Songbird, etc etc. Thanks anyway. I have to check how MediaMonkey can be controlled with a smartphone application. Didn't knew it was possible before I answered your question and checked forums. There are several ones, apparently some with WIFI. If one of them really works fine, that would be great, and the small nettop running MediaMonkey could be hidden. -- nicolas75 nicolas75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech drops Revue, says early Google TV intro a 'mistake'
gruntwolla;670428 Wrote: I also think it's incorrect/unhelpful to state that mediamonkey ( for example) is years ahead of LMS/SBS. I used to use mediamonkey in my pre SBS days, and I certainly don't miss it. The name SBS kind of gives it away really.It's primarily a SERVER, and as far as I'm concerned it does that rather well. Having said that, things can always be improved,can they not? Regards, Trev You probably never use your library the way a lot of people does. If you want to play some files wherever there are located, without necesseraly keeping them in your database, and make frequent changes to your library, MediaMonkey is really years ahead LMS (ease of use, speed, reliability). The first time I tried MediaMonkey was several years ago, and at that time, it was already much more convenient than LMS is today. -- nicolas75 nicolas75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech drops Revue, says early Google TV intro a 'mistake'
Ok, it seems MediaMonkey even have addons to behave as a server controlled with a web interface. The more I see it, the more MediaMonkey seems to be everything LMS should be. I really use it in a much too basic way ... -- nicolas75 nicolas75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech drops Revue, says early Google TV intro a 'mistake'
nicolas75;670531 Wrote: You probably never use your library the way a lot of people does. If you want to play some files wherever there are located, without necesseraly keeping them in your database, and make frequent changes to your library, MediaMonkey is really years ahead LMS (ease of use, speed, reliability). The first time I tried MediaMonkey was several years ago, and at that time, it was already much more convenient than LMS is today. There is NO file selection feature in LMS. You have to declare a directory to LMS, and place this file in this directory. If you just want to play a flac file located on a USB stick, and then disconnect the stick and forget about this file, LMS behavior is a nonsense. Your obviously quite frustrated that SBS/LMS doesn't meet your requirement, however I suspect for the majority of users it works well and does what they want - it does for me complimented by Erlands plugins. However I can understand where users get frustrated around playlists, as mentioned I tend to user ratings based playlists and edit on the fly if needed as well as Spotify playlists rather then spending a lot of time myself on creating playlists - I also heavily used the LastFM 'my library' and 'my recommendations' playlists before they started charging - I prefer to get others to do the work rather then spending ages myself creating playlists but every user is different. -- socistep socistep's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18860 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech drops Revue, says early Google TV intro a 'mistake'
Gingernut63;670431 Wrote: This is not totally correct. If you have LMS on your PC then you don't have to have a LMS music database, hence no scanning. An empty folder is all that is required for the music folder address. MediaMonkey can manage your music database and it tells Squeezebox what to play. LMS is still required and anyway it has useful plugins that MediaMonkey doesn't. LMS on a Linux NAS (e.g. ReadyNAS DUO) does require a managed music database due to file format issues between the windows OS and Linux. Try MediaMonkey(basic)/MonkeySqueeze for yourself and see the advantages of playing your music collection on Squeezebox using these freeware programs. The official release is here: http://www.mediamonkey.com/addons/browse/item/monkeysqueeze/ Also try the MonkeySqueeze Development site for the latest beta which has playlist sync: http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19t=59907 Thanks for the additional information. You say MM tells Squeezebox what to play. Is this true if LMS is on a Linux box? And does it apply to multiple SBs, and to sync'd or different streams? To be completely honest, I don't have problems with SBS scanning (haven't tried LMS yet), and don't have problems with SBS at all except for a few minor bugs. But I have an open mind and am willing to see what advantages MM or other approaches offer, especially advantages that don't involve controlling the music from a laptop or desktop computer (so the MM smartphone app has potential appeal). Having the computer hidden away and multi-room capability are two must tick boxes for me. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
