Re: [slim] MP3 P2P sites like LImewire
Fun facts about copyright and music: There are actually two copyrightable aspects to a recording - the COMPOSITION, and the PERFORMANCE. They are not always owned by the same entities. Each one has a potential for income - although in the current system, it is heavily weighted towards the top moneymakers. (Thus, one can record a cover version of a song - and owe royalties for the use of the song - and yet own a copyright on the recording, and receive royalties for that.) Copyright is *assumed* when one composes (composition copyright) OR records (performance copyright) a piece - without any need to legally announce or record it (registration). However, it can be hard (and expensive) to prove your copyright if it is not registered. Nevertheless, registration is NOT a legal requirement to establish copyright. One can assign something to the public domain, or use something like Creative Commons, but in general it's best to assume the piece is copyrighted by default if there is no indication to the contrary. -- gcurrie -Gordon Squeezebox Server 7.4.2 + HP MediaSmart EX485 Duet Squeezeplay on all PCs gcurrie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31389 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71014 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] MP3 P2P sites like LImewire
Good points -- I had overlooked the Composition and Performance distinction. The other thing about registering a copyright is that it enables the copyright holder to sue for treble(*) damages in case of copyright infringement. (*)treble is lawyerspeak for triple, and has nothing whatsoever to do with blowing your tweeters -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71014 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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MrSinatra;482266 Wrote: i love limewire and shareaza. its only illegal IF its copyrighted, afaik. so how do you know? thats the risk i suppose. but then again, the RIAA isn't instigating any new cases anymore, so i wouldn't worry. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_downloading_songs_from_LimeWire_illegal_or_legal http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122966038836021137.html?mod=rss_whats_news_technology This isn't quite correct. I am not a lawyer, but I know a few things about copyright protection. Most music is copyrighted. Most copyright holders do not allow free distribution of their music via the internet. Some copyright holders do allow specific pieces to be distributed free of charge. Like the subsequent example MrSinatra gives of live Dead or Phish shows, or new bands offering free downloads to get some exposure -- the bands (or their labels) hold the copyright to those tunes, and have decided to make it freely available. In short, most music is copyrighted, but that says nothing about whether or not it is legally to download it over services like Limewire. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71014 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Newfiestang50;482597 Wrote: So what you are saying is that some songs that I download from iTunes will not function on the SB players. *If* the track you buy and download has DRM you will only be able to play that track on Apple hardware. They will not play on your Squeezebox. From Wikipedia though: On January 6, 2009 at the Macworld Expo, Apple announced a significant overhaul of the iTunes Plus catalog with Universal Music Group, Sony BMG, Warner Music Group and EMI offering all their music in iTunes Plus immediately. As of the announcement, 8 million songs were available in Apple's DRM-free format. As of April 2009, all songs are now available in the iTunes Plus format, with the exception of the Japanese iTunes store. So I wouldn't worry about that too much. Newfiestang50;482597 Wrote: How about the album art, I just updated my whole library using iTunes. Will the SB units be able to use that. This leads me to another question, the album art does not show up out in my music folders on my PC, just in the iTunes software, why is that. Album art is embeded in the actual files, not at a seperate image fine in the music folder. The album art will show on SB units with colour screens and the web interface. -- funkstar my collection: *1*x squeezebox radio *1*x squeezebox touch *1*x squeezebox boom *2*x controller, *1*x receiver *2*x sb3 (sliver/black), *1*x sb2 wired (silver) *1*x sb (black), *1*x slimp3 (with rear shield) interested in any others if you have them! funkstar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71014 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] MP3 P2P sites like LImewire
Album art is embeded in the actual files, not at a seperate image fine in the music folder. The album art will show on SB units with colour screens and the web interface. But what I meant to say is that a particular song when viewed using iTunes displays the album art fine but when I go out to the same MP3 in my music folder on my C: drive the album art in not there. How do I get it to display in both places. I am concerned about this because it is taking me alot of time to get this sorted out and if I abandon iTunes for a better music store later I dont want to have to do this all over again. -- Newfiestang50 Newfiestang50's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34117 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71014 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] MP3 P2P sites like LImewire
On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 11:07 PM, snarlydwarf snarlydwarf.419j7b1257566...@no-mx.forums.slimdevices.com wrote: Newfiestang50;482593 Wrote: I just registered with Itunes, Amazon won't sell to Canadians. Be careful: itunes 'regular' tracks have DRM, and will only play on iTunes or iPods. You have to pay extra for non-drm tracks. This is incorrect, at least for iTunes in the United States. The 'iTunes Plus format, which indicates a 256 kbps AAC file, has the same pricing levels as the old-fashioned iTunes music format (a 128 kbps AAC file with a proprietary DRM layer). This is nominally 99 cents US, but can very by 30 cents either way since tiered pricing was introduced earlier this year which allows labels to charge more for new releases and offer discounts for others. iTunes does not sell DRM and non-DRM versions of the same files; once the release is available as iTunes Plus, it is no longer offered in a DRM format. What you may be thinking of is the 'upgrade' offer that Apple made available for people who previously purchased a DRM file before the iTunes Plus format became available. Apple charges 30 cents US to 'upgrade' (replace) old tracks with new versions. This is a concern for people who bought music in the past, but is a negligible concern these days at the point of sale for those just starting a collection. As mentioned elsewhere in this thread, iTunes Plus is now the default format even for most major labels. There is still a chance that you'll come across music you wish to buy that is in a DRM format, which would of course mean device lock-in and a potential future 30 cents per track payment to get iTunes Plus versions if they become available. Again, I can speak only from experience has a US consumer, so someone with first-hand experience purchasing from Canadian iTunes may have a different tale to tell. -Steve ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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If you want free and legal music you should take a look at www.jamendo.com. -- mfie mfie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71014 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Newfiestang50;482785 Wrote: But what I meant to say is that a particular song when viewed using iTunes displays the album art fine but when I go out to the same MP3 in my music folder on my C: drive the album art in not there. How do I get it to display in both places. I am concerned about this because it is taking me alot of time to get this sorted out and if I abandon iTunes for a better music store later I dont want to have to do this all over again. Hmmm, perhaps iTunes keeps the artwork in its own database. I don't use iTunes, I just assumed it would embed the artwork. I know Squeezebox server can display iTunes artwork. Someone else is going to have to clarify this point. That is reason enough for me to stay away from iTunes (yet alone the dozens of other reasons I will never touch it). -- funkstar my collection: *1*x squeezebox radio *1*x squeezebox touch *1*x squeezebox boom *2*x controller, *1*x receiver *2*x sb3 (sliver/black), *1*x sb2 wired (silver) *1*x sb (black), *1*x slimp3 (with rear shield) interested in any others if you have them! funkstar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71014 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] MP3 P2P sites like LImewire
On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 2:35 PM, funkstar funkstar.41aq5z1257622...@no-mx.forums.slimdevices.com wrote: Newfiestang50;482785 Wrote: But what I meant to say is that a particular song when viewed using iTunes displays the album art fine but when I go out to the same MP3 in my music folder on my C: drive the album art in not there. How do I get it to display in both places. I am concerned about this because it is taking me alot of time to get this sorted out and if I abandon iTunes for a better music store later I dont want to have to do this all over again. Hmmm, perhaps iTunes keeps the artwork in its own database. I don't use iTunes, I just assumed it would embed the artwork. I know Squeezebox server can display iTunes artwork. Someone else is going to have to clarify this point. Yeah, iTunes keeps its artwork in a separate database on your machine, in a folder called Album Artwork, which is a subfolder of the main iTunes folder that holds your main iTunes db. I think Squeezebox Server simply parses this db along with the regular db. The artwork can be extracted manually by right clicking the artwork, selecting copy and pasting it into an image editor or something. That's a lot of annoying work if you have a lot of artwork, but you can also extract the artwork with a script using the iTunes COM interface. Sonos, of all places, has a guide for embedding the art directly into your music that they at least claim is compatible with iTunes 9, but I haven't tried it. It's at https://sonos.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/sonos.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=688 In any event, the artwork is not locked away in iTunes forever, but it's definitely not as simple as just jpegs downloaded to a folder, which would be ideal. -Steve ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] MP3 P2P sites like LImewire
If you have any Itune songs with DRM on them, you can use Itunes to burn a CD of those songs, then you can use Itunes to rip the new CD you just made and put them back in Itunes without the DRM. I usually rip them in a lossless format instead of an mp3, that way you don't lose any quality. They will then play in your SB. -- Panotaker Panotaker's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33482 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71014 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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i love limewire and shareaza. its only illegal IF its copyrighted, afaik. so how do you know? thats the risk i suppose. but then again, the RIAA isn't instigating any new cases anymore, so i wouldn't worry. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_downloading_songs_from_LimeWire_illegal_or_legal http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122966038836021137.html?mod=rss_whats_news_technology -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 sbc (my home) / sbr (parent's home) - sbs 7.4.2b - win xp pro sp3 ie8 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz / 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 35k mp3 MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71014 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] MP3 P2P sites like LImewire
Guys, I am new to all this software and Mp3 downloading so let me know if I am stepping out of line by asking this. I want to down some more Mp3's to add to my collection that I got from friends and I was suggested the site Limewire. I am sure some of you are aware of it. Is it legal to download Mp3's from this site and others like it? If not I will not use it, what is a legal site and how much are the usual annual fees? Thanks -- Newfiestang50 Newfiestang50's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34117 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71014 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Newfiestang50 wrote: Is it legal to download Mp3's from this site and others like it? If not I will not use it, what is a legal site and how much are the usual annual fees? It is not a good idea to get legal advice from an Internet forum. But this one is easy. Nearly all music sharing sites are encouraging illegal activity. There is some free music on the 'net. But if the site has mainstream groups of pop music, then they have to charge money. No money, then its not likely to be legal. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I always look at it like this. Someone did work and spent some money to create that music. Just like I expect to get paid fairly when I work - I expect to pay a fair price when I use the results of their work. -- tedfroop Good judgement is the result of experience ... Experience is the result of bad judgement. -- Fred Brooks tedfroop's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3011 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71014 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I just noticed that Limewire Pro has a fee to join but the basic version is free, not sure what the difference is? So what are some good sites that are charging to download Mp3's? -- Newfiestang50 Newfiestang50's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34117 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71014 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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tedfroop;482195 Wrote: I always look at it like this. Someone did work and spent some money to create that music. Just like I expect to get paid fairly when I work - I expect to pay a fair price when I use the results of their work. I agree, and I have made good contribution over the years with over 1500 Cd's in my collection. I'm not looking for a free Mp3 site, I just want a reliable good quality site to download some Mps's and I am willing to pay. -- Newfiestang50 Newfiestang50's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34117 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71014 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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tedfroop;482195 Wrote: I always look at it like this. Someone did work and spent some money to create that music. Just like I expect to get paid fairly when I work - I expect to pay a fair price when I use the results of their work. I agree and have made a good contribution over the years with over 1500 CD's in my collection. I am not looking for free Mp3's just a good quality site with fair prices and it must be legal. -- Newfiestang50 Newfiestang50's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34117 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71014 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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http://www.amazon.com http://emusic.com downloads from .25 to .99 each. Emusic has a free trial, 25 songs. Check it out. -- brucegrr brucegrr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3964 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71014 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Some good places to buy legal music: http://www.amazon.com/mp3 http://www.napster.com http://www.rhapsody.com http://www.apple.com/itunes -- andyg andyg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71014 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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You might also want to check out www.lala.com, I've looked at a couple tracks and they were VBRs for $0.89@ -- JeffHart You know, I'm all for progress. It's change I object to. Mark Twain SBRx5, 1 Boom, 1 Controller JeffHart's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23791 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71014 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I checked out some of these sites and it seems like they want to charge monthly rates, in the range of $10 to $15 CDN per month plus anywhere from $.89 to $1.25 to download the songs. I'm confused, what with the monthly fee alow me to do, listin to the song once, twice I dont get it, someone please explain. -- Newfiestang50 Newfiestang50's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34117 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71014 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
