[slim] Re: Confused and disheartened of the UK
Interesting that there seems to be access, internet drop out issues in the UK to the Beeb. Here in Beijing, AlienBBC seems to work very well on the live streams. dan -- chinablues chinablues's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7955 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29700 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Confused and disheartened of the UK
HELP I AM BURIED IN E_MAIL. I DONT KNOW HOW TO TURN THIS OFF AND IT IS KILLING MY MAIL BOX PLEASE HELP snarlydwarf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: derekc;154754 Wrote: The whole relationship between the slimserver and SB3 is totally confusing. They just don't seem to get on. When slimserver is communicating with the SB3, is SB3 talking directly to the web, or is it going via the Laptop. Who knows. Well that confusion is part of why you are confused, so perhaps I can help. The Squeezebox is a slim device, (hence the company name) or in less polite terms, a dumb terminal. It obviously has no local disc, so you can't store music on it, but it also has very little else: it has a very nice crisp display, some great audio circuitry, a network interface or two if you have wireless, and a CPU to tie all those together. The real functionality (what to display, where music lives, even whether it is on or off) all comes from a server. There isn't even a clock on the Squeezebox: when it displays time, that is because the server said, hey, draw this! and it has no idea what it is drawing. Squeezebox2 and later can either use a local server for control, or they can use Squeezenetwork. They can only be on one or the other at a given time, just like a network aware printer can only print from one machine at a time or you would have a mess. The problem with the BBC radio programs is that they are in Real Audio, so they can't be on Squeezenetwork. (Assuming it was legal, your radio station would have to send all its data to California, be re-encoded as mp3, and then retransmitted back. Lots of room for failure and degraded audio to boot! In practice, it would almost certainly require Slim to get a license for re-encoding the station.) So the best way to do formats like Real Audio is to have your local server do it: it can grab the station directly, and then transcode it to a WAV or FLAC (lossless! so no further degradation in quality) and then send it to your Squeezebox. It does mean you need to keep your laptop on for BBC radio, which is why a lot of people either piece together a cheapo box or a NAS device and use that for a server. Remember very little is actually -in- the Squeezebox: the playlists and favorites are saved on a server. Remembering which server that is (either your own or Squeezenetwork's) can be tricky. Slim hopes to make the transition between local and squeezenetwork more transparent in the future, but that will be a while. -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29700 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss - Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $420,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate new house payment___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Confused and disheartened of the UK
Joe Northern;155213 Wrote: HELP I AM BURIED IN E_MAIL. I DONT KNOW HOW TO TURN THIS OFF AND IT IS KILLING MY MAIL BOX PLEASE HELP LOL here's another email, but I hope more welcome than the others. Go to the Slim forums and edit your profile. Then look in the subscribed threads section and eliminate the ones you don't want. Adam -- adamslim SB3 and Shanling CDT-100, Rotel RT-990BX, Esoteric Audio Research 859, Living Voice Auditorium IIs, Nordost cables adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29700 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Thanks. I tried to edit address to go to the moderator. adamslim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joe Northern;155213 Wrote: HELP I AM BURIED IN E_MAIL. I DONT KNOW HOW TO TURN THIS OFF AND IT IS KILLING MY MAIL BOX PLEASE HELP LOL here's another email, but I hope more welcome than the others. Go to the Slim forums and edit your profile. Then look in the subscribed threads section and eliminate the ones you don't want. Adam -- adamslim SB3 and Shanling CDT-100, Rotel RT-990BX, Esoteric Audio Research 859, Living Voice Auditorium IIs, Nordost cables adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29700 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss - Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $310,000 Mortgage for $999/mo - Calculate new house payment___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Confused and disheartened of the UK
derekc wrote: I will hard wire the SB3 back into the router - and if necessary the lap top as well. I'm still not sure you've understood fully; wiring the SB3 will only eliminate 1 of the 3 wireless hops. Wiring the server (which you currently have running on a laptop) will eliminate 2 wireless hops. The usual way of doing this is by dedicating an always-on machine in your basement next to the router to run the server. - Marc ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Confused and disheartened of the UK
Marc Correct I hadn't fully understood - I do now - thanks for persisting. Derek -- derekc derekc's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7130 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29700 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Confused and disheartened of the UK
Many thanks to DerekC and experts for this v useful thread - all the issues that i also found very difficult to understand having only just bought the SB3, and now beginning to get the idea. I certainly hadnt realised (should have!) that live audio streams are limited in total capacity from the server end, and can see why radio4 seems to lose bandwidth a lot of the time. (great pity BBC seems to be using non-standard audio streaming -will this be a bigger issue in the future if internet radio really takes off?) -- phoutman phoutman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8522 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29700 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Confused and disheartened of the UK
derek_c Try the MP3 approach first - if the problem goes away then the wireless is probably the issue. If the problem persists - then the internet/BBC is the issues and if all your other music is OK - don't bother to lift the boards. The load of a BBC stream from router to server will be very light between 20 and 40kb/sec whereas the load of the decoded BBC stream between server and SB will by default be Flac by default which can be around 1500kb/s. -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29700 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Confused and disheartened of the UK
derekc;154847 Wrote: The whole point of buying a wireless SB3 was to have it located in another room. Unfortunately, this makes me believe I have bought something not fit for purpose? Or did I miss the small print somewhere? Well, if its not practical to wire the laptop or the squeezebox directly to the router, there is another option... several users here have had good results using Home-Plug devices which route the LAN over your mains supply. Buy a pair of these, one for your router and the other for your SB3, and you have eliminated one of the wireless hops. You could of course take the same option for your laptop but I guess that might not be convenient. Ceejay -- ceejay ceejay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=148 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29700 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Confused and disheartened of the UK
BPA please if you install Lame and then disable RTSP-WAV and RTSP-FLAC, it should minimise the problem as you will used MP3 to SB and not Flac. I see MP3 as the scourge of the noughties, however, it might help, can you please tell me how to do this. Thanks In this case the BBC streams are already compressed and are about 48kbits/sec streams (less than FM quality) so you will not be losing any significant sound quality by re-compressing to MP3 but it will lighten the wireless load significantly. How you install Lame depends on your OS. This Wiki entry gives details which I hope will work. If you are using windows go to the Rarewares site - do NOT go to the second URL - one user posted that it has viruses. http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?LAMEForTranscoding After installing Lame - restart slimserver. To disable the RTSP settings go to Server Setting / File Types. You will see the RTSP check boxes. Uncheck the RTSP-FLAC and RTSP-WAV. Then click a change button. Only RTSP-MP3 should be checked. If it not checked then Lame installation has failed - recheck it. -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29700 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Confused and disheartened of the UK
Derek, You have bought probably the best product out there, but you may not have it set up correctly. You need to minimise the number of wirless hops the data needs to take inside your home. I've created a small architecture diagram showing how the SB should be set up. All comunication should happen through your wireless router. i.e. Your broadband should connect into this by wire, your laptop connects to this by wire. Your SB3 talks to this over wireless. The SB3 should be set up so that the router is it's default gateway, not the laptop. +---+ |Filename: ArchDiagram.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1989| +---+ -- oreillymj oreillymj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=699 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29700 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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derekc wrote: The whole point of buying a wireless SB3 was to have it located in another room. You've misunderstood what I wrote. The SB3 can be anywhere. The _server_ needs to be wired to the router. The problem is that you're trying to use a wireless laptop as your server, which is a task it is not well suited to. - Marc ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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derekc wrote: Marc P.S. It is strongly recommended that the computer running slimserver have a wired connection. Do you mean, please, wire the Laptop - SB3 direct, or wire the Router - SB3? Neither. Wire the server (usually not a laptop) direct to the router. Internet Router - Server . . . SB3 In the diagram above, --- is a physical wire, and ... is a wireless connection. - Marc ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Confused and disheartened of the UK
It has been mentioned that a lot of people do successfully use a complete wireless system to connect their server and SB to the router and I'd just like to vouch for this. My router is in a cupboard that is pretty central to the whole house ... my PC (running SS) is in the office in the loft and my SB is downstairs in the dining room and it's all wireless. My house was built in 1940 and all the internal walls are solid brick (none of these flimsy 'cardboard' walls you find in new builds). Well, basically, it all works beautifully. I have a Netgear DG834 router and I made a point of buying a Netgear NIC for the PC. I have seen installations that use different brands of router and NICs and the performance has been utterly rubbish. When the router was changed the difference was staggering. My only other question in relation to this topic would be what the transmission power of a laptop based NIC is when compared to a PCI based one? Cheers, Gavin -- Gavster Gavster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8300 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29700 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Confused and disheartened of the UK
The point's been made, but some additional reading on network architecture for the SB: http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?NetworkDesign -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29700 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Confused and disheartened of the UK
bpa;154860 Wrote: How you install Lame depends on your OS. This Wiki entry gives details which I hope will work. If you are using windows go to the Rarewares site - do NOT go to the second URL - one user posted that it has viruses. http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?LAMEForTranscoding That second link was fixed, BTW. It pointed to some weird mirror that had spyware in an ad banner. It now points to the official site recommended by LAME. -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29700 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Confused and disheartened of the UK
Again - many thanks to all - I am overwhelmed by all your responses - pictures as well. In answer to one question - I only listen to the BBC play it again streams + live streams from SS Picks/ or 365. What I have decided to do is buy some CAT6 cable and this weekend engage myself in a good old floorboard lifting extravaganza. I will hard wire the SB3 back into the router - and if necessary the lap top as well. I will report back - I really do understand all this a whole lot better and my gloom has somewhat lifted. Thanks again. -- derekc derekc's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7130 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29700 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Confused and disheartened of the UK
Hi Derek, Can I ask why you want to hardwire the SB3? If its never going to move, thats fine. I can understand that you want your laptop to be mobile, but when you are running SlimServer on it, can you not hard wire (i.e. plug) it into the router? As has been pointed out, minimising the wireless hops is key, if you find that best way is to wire up the SB3 and keep the laptop wireless that should work. Chris. -- chris.mason chris.mason's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3323 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29700 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Confused and disheartened of the UK
derekc;155002 Wrote: I will hard wire the SB3 back into the router - and if necessary the lap top as well. This shouldn't be necessary - wire the laptop first, the SB3 second. Your server should be wired, your SB3 should work well wirelessly. I'd estimate 90% of us here use that sort of network arrangement. But yes, eliminating one wireless hop will help, and whichever one is easier to do, great. Ripping up floorboards sounds drastic though - are you sure you can't either reloate your router or your laptop to be close to the router? -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29700 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Confused and disheartened of the UK
Mark Lanctot;155012 Wrote: This shouldn't be necessary - wire the laptop first, the SB3 second. Your server should be wired, your SB3 should work well wirelessly. I'd estimate 90% of us here use that sort of network arrangement. But yes, eliminating one wireless hop will help, and whichever one is easier to do, great. Ripping up floorboards sounds drastic though - are you sure you can't either reloate your router or your laptop to be close to the router? What you may find to be much more reliable and better in most respects (and cheaper than major house restructuring!) is to buy a really cheap server, shove a great big hard disk on it and plug that in wired to the access point. This could also be helpful for the laptop - backup data storage etc. It's not normally needed with the SB, but it sounds like you have some wifi signal strength issues, and an el cheapo computer off ebay would sort you out nicely. You can still use the laptop to control the server (wirelessly), so it would be like your current setup but, well, would work! Adam -- adamslim SB3 and Shanling CDT-100, Rotel RT-990BX, Esoteric Audio Research 859, Living Voice Auditorium IIs, Nordost cables adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29700 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Confused and disheartened of the UK
Thanks. The SB3 will predominately reside connected to our kitchen hi fi. This is 2 rooms away from the router. I would prefer the lap top to be mobile - e.g. sat here stroking the cat typing this and just waiting for the football to start! My main hi fi remains the domain of recorded music. Well it does at the moment - however, I have heard how good this device can sound. It might sound drastic - but I have actually installed a wet central heating system and rather than nail the boards back done, I instead screwed them back down. So it is really not too onerous to take them up again. Thanks for your concern. -- derekc derekc's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7130 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29700 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Confused and disheartened of the UK
Your SB3 can be connected to SqueezeNetwork *or* Slimserver. Not both. AlienBBC, as it performs format conversion of the streams, requires a local Slimserver. So if you want to use SqueezeNetwork you can't use AlienBBC, and vice versa. The whole relationship between the slimserver and SB3 is totally confusing. They just don't seem to get on. There is no relationship - they're entirely seperate. Squeezenetwork is just a public Slimserver running in California, useful if you don't have a local server but limited in what it can do. -- radish radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29700 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Confused and disheartened of the UK
derekc;154754 Wrote: The whole relationship between the slimserver and SB3 is totally confusing. They just don't seem to get on. When slimserver is communicating with the SB3, is SB3 talking directly to the web, or is it going via the Laptop. Who knows. Well that confusion is part of why you are confused, so perhaps I can help. The Squeezebox is a slim device, (hence the company name) or in less polite terms, a dumb terminal. It obviously has no local disc, so you can't store music on it, but it also has very little else: it has a very nice crisp display, some great audio circuitry, a network interface or two if you have wireless, and a CPU to tie all those together. The real functionality (what to display, where music lives, even whether it is on or off) all comes from a server. There isn't even a clock on the Squeezebox: when it displays time, that is because the server said, hey, draw this! and it has no idea what it is drawing. Squeezebox2 and later can either use a local server for control, or they can use Squeezenetwork. They can only be on one or the other at a given time, just like a network aware printer can only print from one machine at a time or you would have a mess. The problem with the BBC radio programs is that they are in Real Audio, so they can't be on Squeezenetwork. (Assuming it was legal, your radio station would have to send all its data to California, be re-encoded as mp3, and then retransmitted back. Lots of room for failure and degraded audio to boot! In practice, it would almost certainly require Slim to get a license for re-encoding the station.) So the best way to do formats like Real Audio is to have your local server do it: it can grab the station directly, and then transcode it to a WAV or FLAC (lossless! so no further degradation in quality) and then send it to your Squeezebox. It does mean you need to keep your laptop on for BBC radio, which is why a lot of people either piece together a cheapo box or a NAS device and use that for a server. Remember very little is actually -in- the Squeezebox: the playlists and favorites are saved on a server. Remembering which server that is (either your own or Squeezenetwork's) can be tricky. Slim hopes to make the transition between local and squeezenetwork more transparent in the future, but that will be a while. -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29700 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Confused and disheartened of the UK
radish;154758 Wrote: Your SB3 can be connected to SqueezeNetwork *or* Slimserver. Not both. AlienBBC, as it performs format conversion of the streams, requires a local Slimserver. So if you want to use SqueezeNetwork you can't use AlienBBC, and vice versa. There is no relationship - they're entirely seperate. Squeezenetwork is just a public Slimserver running in California, useful if you don't have a local server but limited in what it can do. Thanks - this has moved my understanding on - I did not realise squeezenetwork was just a server somewhere - I guess the simple question is why can't AlienBBC be loaded on this - but I think you have probably answered this. The question I have is please though - for clarity - when the SB3 is connected to the slimserver, is the data streamed first into the laptop, processed and sent across to the SB3? If this is true, when the stream gets the dreaded jitters - is it possible to break into this procedure to see if it is leaving the laptop entact. This would be a real help in understanding where the probelm is. Hope this makes sense. -- derekc derekc's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7130 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29700 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Confused and disheartened of the UK
The squeezebox always needs a server to connect to. The server controls almost every aspect of the device. The server tells it what to display (even the time display in the off state is sent by the server), sends the audio data, even button presses on the remote control are sent to and processed by the server. When you want to listen to your own music you need to connect the squeezebox to your local slimserver. You can also listen to internet radio this way. The server software reads the data from the internet radio stream and sends it to the squeezebox. If you listen to BBC streams slimserver delegates the processing of the stream to AlienBBC because it cannot handle the data format of the stream. AlienBBC converts the stream into a format slimserver understands and can send to the squeezebox. SqueezeNetwork is nothing more than a public slimserver in the internet. Instead of connecting to your local server you connect to a server provided by Slimdevices. You can only connect to one or the other, not both. Because none (except network settings) of your preferences are stored in the squeezebox (it's a rather dumb device, remember?) but on the server you won't have the same settings in SqueezeNetwork and your own server. You won't be able to listen to any streams that require AlienBBC when connected to SqueezeNetwork because AlienBBC is not installed on that server. I hope this gives you an idea of how the squeezebox, slimserver and SqueezeNetwork work together. -s. -- slimpy slimpy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1524 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29700 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Confused and disheartened of the UK
Without trying to complicate thing, just 2 comments 1) You mention placing the laptop router SB3 close together to solve dropouts. This kind of implies that you have a wireless card in your laptop communicating with the same router as the SB3. This is a poor network design that is know to cuase issues as there are 2 wireless hops involved in getting data from the machine running Slimserver to the SB3. I suggest a wired link from the machine running Slimserver to your router. 2) You talk about listening to the Steve Wright show while it's live on the BBC. The BBC can only support a finite number of streams before users start to experience dropouts in the audio. The more popular the stream, the more likely for this to occur. This is why they don't even bother to stream the likes of Wogan and J. Ross live. The Beeb provides the listen again links to try to spread the load on their servers. You'll find that a PC running Realplayer would be experiencing similar dropouts as the SB3 is when stream Steve Wright, although Realplayer might buffer the data better. -- oreillymj oreillymj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=699 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29700 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Confused and disheartened of the UK
derekc;154770 Wrote: The question I have is please though - for clarity - when the SB3 is connected to the slimserver, is the data streamed first into the laptop, processed and sent across to the SB3? If this is true, when the stream gets the dreaded jitters - is it possible to break into this procedure to see if it is leaving the laptop entact. This would be a real help in understanding where the probelm is. Hope this makes sense. Depends what data - if it's from your own music collection, it gets pulled off the disc by SlimServer. The disc can be on the SlimServer machine, on an external drive or on your network. If it's Internet radio data, as of SlimServer 6.5, SlimServer merely acts as a helper, the stream is actually sent directly to your Squeezebox. You could even turn your SlimServer off at this point, which would cause your display to go dark as SlimServer can't send anything more to it, and you couldn't change streams as that functionality is contained in SlimServer. But the stream should still play. Jittery Internet radio is often caused by web congestion - your wireless network has way more bandwidth than the pipe used to feed Internet radio to you, so the performance playing local files and Internet radio will be different. However, there have been reports of poor SqueezeNetwork performance for about a week now, so it's best to play Internet radio through SlimServer at the moment. -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29700 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Confused and disheartened of the UK
There is no definitive way to identify the cause of you BBC start/stop problems but it sounds like an internet issues. When you have the problem - are you listening to Live or Listen Again streams. If the stream from the BBC breaks down and the buffer in AlienBBC is depleted - the stream will revert to short burst of sound followed by silence. This will generally only happen in live streams. If the BBC is the problem then if you press - the stream will be restarted and buffer refilled and live stream will start again in about 10 secs. If the problem happens with Listen Again then it is likely to be a something to do with wireless - if you install Lame and then disable RTSP-WAV and RTSP-FLAC, it should minimise the problem as you will used MP3 to SB and not Flac. Finally, in the UK you can listen to BBC WMA streams for live stations - this can be done with Squeezenetwork. I can't say how good or bad are these streams. -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29700 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Confused and disheartened of the UK
Mark Lanctot;154772 Wrote: If it's Internet radio data, as of SlimServer 6.5, SlimServer merely acts as a helper, the stream is actually sent directly to your Squeezebox. You could even turn your SlimServer off at this point, which would cause your display to go dark as SlimServer can't send anything more to it, and you couldn't change streams as that functionality is contained in SlimServer. But the stream should still play. True, but only for native format stations. The catch with the BBC is that they like Real which isnt native to the SB. -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29700 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Confused and disheartened of the UK
derekc wrote: The question I have is please though - for clarity - when the SB3 is connected to the slimserver, is the data streamed first into the laptop, processed and sent across to the SB3? If this is true, when the stream gets the dreaded jitters - is it possible to break into this procedure to see if it is leaving the laptop entact. This would be a real help in understanding where the probelm is. Hope this makes sense. In the case of AlienBBC, the data is pulled into slimserver, transcoded, and then streamed to the sb3. If your laptop is connecting to the internet via an 802.11 interface, that means that the music data is making _3_ wireless hops -- internet-router-server, server-router, router-sb3. If so, I'm surprised it ever worked. It is strongly recommended that the computer running slimserver have a wired connection. - Marc ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Confused and disheartened of the UK
You could try the WMA Radio 2 feed to see if it is any better: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/wm_asx/aod/radio2_hi.asx only 48k though -- audiofi http://www.audiofi.co.uk/reviews/ audiofi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=726 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29700 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Confused and disheartened of the UK
Marc Sherman;154777 Wrote: derekc wrote: The question I have is please though - for clarity - when the SB3 is connected to the slimserver, is the data streamed first into the laptop, processed and sent across to the SB3? If this is true, when the stream gets the dreaded jitters - is it possible to break into this procedure to see if it is leaving the laptop entact. This would be a real help in understanding where the probelm is. Hope this makes sense. In the case of AlienBBC, the data is pulled into slimserver, transcoded, and then streamed to the sb3. If your laptop is connecting to the internet via an 802.11 interface, that means that the music data is making _3_ wireless hops -- internet-router-server, server-router, router-sb3. If so, I'm surprised it ever worked. It is strongly recommended that the computer running slimserver have a wired connection. - Marc Hi everyone - sat here eating my cornflakes - wow what a response. Many many thanks to all of you who have responded. The confusion has been lifted, but still I am still disheartened. My final conclusion last night was that the poor old wireless belkin must be running around like a headless chicken trying to sort everything out. Marc - you have confirmed this. The whole point of buying a wireless SB3 was to have it located in another room. Unfortunately, this makes me believe I have bought something not fit for purpose? Or did I miss the small print somewhere? BPA please if you install Lame and then disable RTSP-WAV and RTSP-FLAC, it should minimise the problem as you will used MP3 to SB and not Flac. I see MP3 as the scourge of the noughties, however, it might help, can you please tell me how to do this. Thanks -- derekc derekc's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7130 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29700 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Confused and disheartened of the UK
Marc P.S. It is strongly recommended that the computer running slimserver have a wired connection. Do you mean, please, wire the Laptop - SB3 direct, or wire the Router - SB3? Thnaks Derek -- derekc derekc's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7130 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29700 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Confused and disheartened of the UK
derekc;154852 Wrote: Marc P.S. It is strongly recommended that the computer running slimserver have a wired connection. Do you mean, please, wire the Laptop - SB3 direct, or wire the Router - SB3? Thnaks Derek It means that one of the links, either server to router or squeezebox to router should ideally be wired. Many people have it working fine with both being wireless, but you're pushing it and it won't always work. -- radish radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29700 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
