[slim] Re: MusicMagic, SlimServer 6.01 and SoftSqueeze 2.0b3
kdf Wrote: i have also set my reload interval for musicmagic to 0 and this avoids the scan even on startup, so try that as well since that may at least lessen the problem in the short term. That doesn't seem to be the case when I'm starting SS as SlimServer.exe. I've had the reload interval set to 0 for some time now (since post #45). kdf Wrote: that is the current theory. try tomorrow's build for a bit more debug around that area. it wont change anything, but it will at least give recorded proof of the variables that determine when to scan. that way I can be sure I'm not just making it up :) Again, sorry that I won't be around for a week now. I'll get straight back on to it next Monday. wendell is also working from the Predixis side to give is a bit more to work with to determine when is and is not a good time to scan. Thanks to wendell to for your help. Good luck! Andrew -- hunta ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: MusicMagic, SlimServer 6.01 and SoftSqueeze 2.0b3
Quoting hunta [EMAIL PROTECTED]: kdf Wrote: i have also set my reload interval for musicmagic to 0 and this avoids the scan even on startup, so try that as well since that may at least lessen the problem in the short term. That doesn't seem to be the case when I'm starting SS as SlimServer.exe. I've had the reload interval set to 0 for some time now (since post #45). make sure you have the latest of the nightly builds for 6.1 (NOT 6.0.3), April 28 or newer. -k ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] Re: MusicMagic, SlimServer 6.01 and SoftSqueeze 2.0b3
kdf wrote: make sure you have the latest of the nightly builds for 6.1 (NOT 6.0.3), April 28 or newer. I installed the latest nightly (4/30) and see the new info being dumped to the log file. See below. It's complaining abput a uninitialized value in concatenation but seems to run. I can use MMM, make mixes, etc. and slim is not rescanning. It does see a new cache id and the library has not changed. Curious. -Andy ~ Subroutine new redefined at C:/Program Files/SlimServer/server/Plugins/RadioIO/Plugin.pm line 239. 2005-04-30 20:56:32.7061 MusicMagic: Testing for API on localhost:10002 2005-04-30 20:56:32.7288 MusicMagic: Predixis MusicMagic Mixer. Version 1.1.5 2005-04-30 20:56:33.1074 Executing command 00:04:20:05:71:8c: playlist (add) (F:\music\slimplaylists\__00_04_20_05_71_8c.m3u) () () () () () 2005-04-30 20:56:33.2862 Returning array: playlist (add) (F:\music\slimplaylists\__00_04_20_05_71_8c.m3u) () () () () () 2005-04-30 20:57:32.7767 MusicMagic: read cacheid of 1114908768 2005-04-30 20:57:32.7770 MusicMagic: music library has changed! Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at C:/Program Files/SlimServer/server/Plugins/MusicMagic/Plugin.pm line 239. 2005-04-30 20:57:32.7772Details: Cacheid - 1114908768 LastCacheid - 1114830847 Reload Interval - 0 Last Scan - 2005-04-30 20:57:32.7773 MusicMagic: Scan Interval set to 0, rescanning disabled 2005-04-30 20:57:44.7698 Musicmagic request: http://localhost:10002/api/mix?artist%3DThe%20Allman%20Brothers%20Bandvarie ty=0style=0sizetype=trackssize=12 ...and so on. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] Re: MusicMagic, SlimServer 6.01 and SoftSqueeze 2.0b3
Quoting Andy Bunn [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Curious. thanks. the uninitialized value warnings are just warnings and harmless. They are coming up because the debug asks for the last scan time. since you havent' scanned since startup, its indefined. with 6.1 nightlies, a zero in the reload interval will prevent the scan, as the log shows. The cacheid issue is something I have sent off to Predixis as a query. It seems that shutting down with unfinished business can cause the next start to have a new cacheid. I dont yet know what that unfinished business might be. at least now, with 6.1 you can leave your reload interval set to 0 and only reload when you want to manually or via the rescan plugin (auto rescan every 24 hours and a set time) -kdf ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] Re: MusicMagic, SlimServer 6.01 and SoftSqueeze 2.0b3
Excellent. Thanks for the translation. And I forgot to post this, but you probably already know, the recan attempts are continuous. I think the MMM plugin reports a change every two seconds or so. -A ~~ 2005-04-30 21:45:04.7145 MusicMagic: music library has changed! Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at C:/Program Files/SlimServer/server/Plugins/MusicMagic/Plugin.pm line 239. 2005-04-30 21:45:04.7146Details: Cacheid - 1114908768 LastCacheid - 1114830847 Reload Interval - 0 Last Scan - 2005-04-30 21:45:04.7147 MusicMagic: Scan Interval set to 0, rescanning disabled 2005-04-30 21:46:04.8100 MusicMagic: read cacheid of 1114908768 2005-04-30 21:46:04.8103 MusicMagic: music library has changed! Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at C:/Program Files/SlimServer/server/Plugins/MusicMagic/Plugin.pm line 239. 2005-04-30 21:46:04.8104Details: Cacheid - 1114908768 LastCacheid - 1114830847 Reload Interval - 0 Last Scan - 2005-04-30 21:46:04.8105 MusicMagic: Scan Interval set to 0, rescanning disabled 2005-04-30 21:47:04.9017 MusicMagic: read cacheid of 1114908768 2005-04-30 21:47:04.9020 MusicMagic: music library has changed! Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at C:/Program Files/SlimServer/server/Plugins/MusicMagic/Plugin.pm line 239. 2005-04-30 21:47:04.9021Details: Cacheid - 1114908768 LastCacheid - 1114830847 Reload Interval - 0 Last Scan - 2005-04-30 21:47:04.9022 MusicMagic: Scan Interval set to 0, rescanning disabled 2005-04-30 21:48:05.0111 MusicMagic: read cacheid of 1114908768 2005-04-30 21:48:05.0114 MusicMagic: music library has changed! Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at C:/Program Files/SlimServer/server/Plugins/MusicMagic/Plugin.pm line 239. 2005-04-30 21:48:05.0115Details: Cacheid - 1114908768 LastCacheid - 1114830847 Reload Interval - 0 Last Scan - 2005-04-30 21:48:05.0115 MusicMagic: Scan Interval set to 0, rescanning disabled 2005-04-30 21:49:05.0892 MusicMagic: read cacheid of 1114908768 2005-04-30 21:49:05.0895 MusicMagic: music library has changed! Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at C:/Program Files/SlimServer/server/Plugins/MusicMagic/Plugin.pm line 239. 2005-04-30 21:49:05.0896Details: Cacheid - 1114908768 LastCacheid - 1114830847 Reload Interval - 0 Last Scan - 2005-04-30 21:49:05.0897 MusicMagic: Scan Interval set to 0, rescanning disabled 2005-04-30 21:50:05.1673 MusicMagic: read cacheid of 1114908768 2005-04-30 21:50:05.1676 MusicMagic: music library has changed! Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at C:/Program Files/SlimServer/server/Plugins/MusicMagic/Plugin.pm line 239. 2005-04-30 21:50:05.1677Details: Cacheid - 1114908768 LastCacheid - 1114830847 Reload Interval - 0 Last Scan - 2005-04-30 21:50:05.1678 MusicMagic: Scan Interval set to 0, rescanning disabled 2005-04-30 21:51:05.2610 MusicMagic: read cacheid of 1114908768 2005-04-30 21:51:05.2613 MusicMagic: music library has changed! Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at C:/Program Files/SlimServer/server/Plugins/MusicMagic/Plugin.pm line 239. 2005-04-30 21:51:05.2614Details: Cacheid - 1114908768 LastCacheid - 1114830847 Reload Interval - 0 Last Scan - 2005-04-30 21:51:05.2615 MusicMagic: Scan Interval set to 0, rescanning disabled 2005-04-30 21:52:05.3548 MusicMagic: read cacheid of 1114908768 2005-04-30 21:52:05.3551 MusicMagic: music library has changed! Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at C:/Program Files/SlimServer/server/Plugins/MusicMagic/Plugin.pm line 239. 2005-04-30 21:52:05.3552Details: Cacheid - 1114908768 LastCacheid - 1114830847 Reload Interval - 0 Last Scan - 2005-04-30 21:52:05.3553 MusicMagic: Scan Interval set to 0, rescanning disabled 2005-04-30 21:53:05.4486 MusicMagic: read cacheid of 1114908768 2005-04-30 21:53:05.4489 MusicMagic: music library has changed! Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at C:/Program Files/SlimServer/server/Plugins/MusicMagic/Plugin.pm line 239. 2005-04-30 21:53:05.4490Details: Cacheid - 1114908768 LastCacheid - 1114830847 Reload Interval - 0 Last Scan - 2005-04-30 21:53:05.4491 MusicMagic: Scan Interval set to 0, rescanning disabled 2005-04-30 21:54:05.5111 MusicMagic: read cacheid of
Re: [slim] Re: MusicMagic, SlimServer 6.01 and SoftSqueeze 2.0b3
On 30-Apr-05, at 7:14 PM, Andy Bunn wrote: Excellent. Thanks for the translation. And I forgot to post this, but you probably already know, the recan attempts are continuous. I think the MMM plugin reports a change every two seconds or so. -A the checker runs every 60 seconds. You won't notice it if you turn the d_musicmagic debug flag off :) no rescan is attempted, and only one connect to musicmagic API is done during this time. -k ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: MusicMagic, SlimServer 6.01 and SoftSqueeze 2.0b3
After more experimentation ('testing' would be too grand a word!) last
night, I found that there was some progress, it's just extremely slow.
I left my machine running MMM and SlimServer all evening, probably
around 3 hours, and of 2,000 songs I had the 'mm' icon down to early
'C' entries. After another hour, most of the 'C's had been done.
I don't know the precise alphabetical distribution of my collection,
but this implies it's got a way to go yet. I've left it running today
while I'm in the office. Hopefully it'll reach a point where SlimServer
knows all about the MMM library and will then, with a sigh of relief,
slip back into normal running.
Does this fit with other people's experience when first introducing MMM
and SS to each other? People have posted issues of 30 min delays when
adding an album's worth of songs, but nothing about the initial scan.
Maybe it's something with these particular versions - if you initially
scanned your collection with earlier versions you're okay?
That leads to another question. If I upgrade either MMM or SS, will I
have to repeat this painful process?
Any help would be really appreciated.
Thanks,
Andrew
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RE: [slim] Re: MusicMagic, SlimServer 6.01 and SoftSqueeze 2.0b3
from what i've worked out, it MMM does something like this ...
- first, MMM generates a fingerprint for each song, taking about 10 secs per
song
- if MMM can find that song from the fingerprint in the online database then
it can get the full analysis data from there (cos someone else has already
done it for you and it's been uploaded to the online database!)
- if the song is not in the online database then it takes roughly 80% of the
playtime of the song to analyse
for me it took 3 to 4 days continuous running to analyse 2000 FLACs. it's
hard to determine, but I think about half my music was not on the server.
on the first pass, i switched slim off for the analysis. i now have it on
again, but the analysis process does not work so well when both are on.
which is a total pain in the arse as i add music all the time and i don't
want to keep switching slim off.
if slim is on when you're analysing, from my experience it will either slow
it down massively or just grind to a halt completely. it also indicates slim
is hogging the CPU rather than MMM (which seems strange).
so i'm thinking of an alternative strategy where i do the analysis on my
normal PC, archive the info into the tags, then upload to the server. which
means the data is already there and MMM won't have to analyse. i don't
really like this though, and it would be better if things worked with both
services on at the server.
thx.
h.
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Subject: [slim] Re: MusicMagic, SlimServer 6.01 and SoftSqueeze 2.0b3
After more experimentation ('testing' would be too grand a word!) last
night, I found that there was some progress, it's just extremely slow.
I left my machine running MMM and SlimServer all evening, probably
around 3 hours, and of 2,000 songs I had the 'mm' icon down to early
'C' entries. After another hour, most of the 'C's had been done.
I don't know the precise alphabetical distribution of my collection,
but this implies it's got a way to go yet. I've left it running today
while I'm in the office. Hopefully it'll reach a point where SlimServer
knows all about the MMM library and will then, with a sigh of relief,
slip back into normal running.
Does this fit with other people's experience when first introducing MMM
and SS to each other? People have posted issues of 30 min delays when
adding an album's worth of songs, but nothing about the initial scan.
Maybe it's something with these particular versions - if you initially
scanned your collection with earlier versions you're okay?
That leads to another question. If I upgrade either MMM or SS, will I
have to repeat this painful process?
Any help would be really appreciated.
Thanks,
Andrew
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Re: [slim] Re: MusicMagic, SlimServer 6.01 and SoftSqueeze 2.0b3
Hiya.
On Apr 29, 2005, at 5:05 AM, hunta wrote:
After more experimentation ('testing' would be too grand a word!) last
night, I found that there was some progress, it's just extremely slow.
[...]
Does this fit with other people's experience when first introducing MMM
and SS to each other? People have posted issues of 30 min delays when
adding an album's worth of songs, but nothing about the initial scan.
Maybe it's something with these particular versions - if you initially
scanned your collection with earlier versions you're okay?
I can't speak for MM + SS together, but my MM alone has been working on
my 21,000 song library for weeks now. The whole process was going to
take about 300 hours on my 1 GHz G4 Powerbook, and I leave it working
overnights when I remember.
Thankfully, it has long since finished finding candidate identities for
all the songs and they're available for matches, but the final
verification fingerprinting is quite slow.
That leads to another question. If I upgrade either MMM or SS, will I
have to repeat this painful process?
Nope, I've upgraded through a couple of beta versions and the library
has stayed intact.
- Ert
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[slim] Re: MusicMagic, SlimServer 6.01 and SoftSqueeze 2.0b3
Well, having left MMM and SS thrashing away while I went to the office, I got back to find that they've sorted themselves out and all songs have the 'mm' logo next to them. CPU is down to standard, though it does seem to have the odd busy moment which also causes a pause in playing. My SB2 hasn't arrived yet, so I'm just running SoftSqueeze - hopefull a hardware buffer will take care of that. So, all in all it seems to work. Just takes a healthy dose of patience... I guess the reason why SS takes so long to read a fully analyzed and verified MMM library will remain a mystery for now. Thanks to all for you input. Andrew -- hunta ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] Re: MusicMagic, SlimServer 6.01 and SoftSqueeze 2.0b3
i think it's the analysis that takes the time. and having slim up while your analysing doesn't seem a good idea. once it's all done though, it is really kool. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of hunta Sent: 29 April 2005 19:02 To: discuss@lists.slimdevices.com Subject: [slim] Re: MusicMagic, SlimServer 6.01 and SoftSqueeze 2.0b3 Well, having left MMM and SS thrashing away while I went to the office, I got back to find that they've sorted themselves out and all songs have the 'mm' logo next to them. CPU is down to standard, though it does seem to have the odd busy moment which also causes a pause in playing. My SB2 hasn't arrived yet, so I'm just running SoftSqueeze - hopefull a hardware buffer will take care of that. So, all in all it seems to work. Just takes a healthy dose of patience... I guess the reason why SS takes so long to read a fully analyzed and verified MMM library will remain a mystery for now. Thanks to all for you input. Andrew -- hunta ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] Re: MusicMagic, SlimServer 6.01 and SoftSqueeze 2.0b3
So, all in all it seems to work. Just takes a healthy dose of patience... I guess the reason why SS takes so long to read a fully analyzed and verified MMM library will remain a mystery for now. There's a bug report on this and hopfully it will be fixed soon http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1446 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: MusicMagic, SlimServer 6.01 and SoftSqueeze 2.0b3
Analysis was fully complete before SS came on the scene. I spoke too soon. I'm very disappointed to find that, having closed and restarted MMM and SS CPU has become an issue again. I'm starting to run out of ideas (other than give up on MMM). -- hunta ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: MusicMagic, SlimServer 6.01 and SoftSqueeze 2.0b3
abunn Wrote: There's a bug report on this and hopfully it will be fixed soon http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1446 Interesting - thanks for pointing this out. I'm not sure this is exactly the same however, though I'd imagine they're related. The logged issue talks about a gradual degradation in performance and is triggered by the SS's reload of the MMM library. In the scenario I'm experiencing, I can start MMM SS, everything's fine for maybe 60 secs, then SS maxes out on the CPU. My reload interval is set to 3600 seconds. To verify this I set the reload interval to 0 (don't reload), as suggested in the bug detail, and it had no effect. Could someone from Slim advise on the best way for me to contribute this? It might be useful info on bug 1446, or a different issue. I'm happy to run traces etc. if it would help. Thanks. -- hunta ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] Re: MusicMagic, SlimServer 6.01 and SoftSqueeze 2.0b3
the scenario I'm experiencing, I can start MMM SS, everything's fine for maybe 60 secs, then SS maxes out on the CPU. My reload interval is set to 3600 seconds. To verify this I set the reload interval to 0 (don't reload), as suggested in the bug detail, and it had no effect. Ditto. I advise patience. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: MusicMagic, SlimServer 6.01 and SoftSqueeze 2.0b3
During the 60 sec interval between starting SS and everything grinding to a halt I managed to turn on d_musicmagic and got this output (I've trimmed the path file names). Not sure whether this means SS or MMM is re-evaluating the songs, but something definitely thinks it needs it even though nothing's altered since it last completed: = 2005-04-29 20:12:32.7343 MusicMagic: music library has changed! 2005-04-29 20:12:32.7344 MusicMagic: using musicmagic: Predixis MusicMagic Mixer. Version 1.1.4 2005-04-29 20:12:32.7345 MusicMagic: start export 2005-04-29 20:12:32.7350 MusicMagic: export mode is: start 2005-04-29 20:12:37.7346 MusicMagic: Got 2054 song(s). 2005-04-29 20:12:37.7348 MusicMagic: export mode is: songs 2005-04-29 20:12:47.7343 MusicMagic: Exporting song 1: C:\Documents and Settings\Andrew\My Docum 2005-04-29 20:12:47.7810 MusicMagic: export mode is: songs 2005-04-29 20:12:52.7351 MusicMagic: Exporting song 2: C:\Documents and Settings\Andrew\My Docum 2005-04-29 20:12:52.7475 MusicMagic: export mode is: songs 2005-04-29 20:13:03.7509 MusicMagic: Exporting song 3: C:\Documents and Settings\Andrew\My Docum 2005-04-29 20:13:03.7613 MusicMagic: export mode is: songs 2005-04-29 20:13:03.8101 MusicMagic: Exporting song 4: C:\Documents and Settings\Andrew\My Docum 2005-04-29 20:13:03.8207 MusicMagic: export mode is: songs 2005-04-29 20:13:04.1285 MusicMagic: Exporting song 5: C:\Documents and Settings\Andrew\My Docum 2005-04-29 20:13:04.1393 MusicMagic: export mode is: songs 2005-04-29 20:13:06.9849 MusicMagic: Exporting song 6: C:\Documents and Settings\Andrew\My Docum 2005-04-29 20:13:07.9982 MusicMagic: export mode is: songs 2005-04-29 20:13:16.7355 MusicMagic: Exporting song 7: C:\Documents and Settings\Andrew\My Docum === -- hunta ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: MusicMagic, SlimServer 6.01 and SoftSqueeze 2.0b3
Quoting hunta [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Analysis was fully complete before SS came on the scene. I spoke too soon. I'm very disappointed to find that, having closed and restarted MMM and SS CPU has become an issue again. I'm starting to run out of ideas (other than give up on MMM). please see the comments from bug 1446, and consider providing similar info to what has been requested there. We all want to see everyone happy and all problems fixed, but frankly, it gets easier to simply choose to ignore as more and more people stomp up and down saying its broken, when we can't see it for ourselves (I know I've unfairly appeared to single you out here, but this is a public forum so realise this is a more global statement ). If you are certain that 1446 is not the problem you have, then more information is needed. I'd love to be able to tell you exactly what to look for, but that would require that I have the slightest idea of what is causing your problem, without it being even remotely related to 1446. I have tried to say things like this before, and get barked at. The simple fact is that with all the noise, you have to distinguish yourself in order to get more people on the job. SilmDevices are working on every problem, but they are a limited resource. The software is open, so anyone can help, but they are not bound into helping. In some sense, it has to be easy to help. I would start by running command line, so that you can see everything that is going on with slimserver in real time. I'd start with d_musicmagic and maybe d_info. If its not a constant rescan that is bogging things down, then you will see very little activity from this. If it does start scanning, despite 0 reload interval or 3600 interval, then that it concrete info that may be useful. If nothing shows up, you need to try d_remotestream, or d_http perhaps. 100% CPU is a very imprecise symptom, and we to eliminate or isolate the primary.Otherwise, its like trying to navigate a minefield by throwing shotput :) If I've missed your logs, I apologise. It is very hard to keep up with the volume. Please resubmit them to bugszilla for safe keeping. -kdf ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Quoting hunta [EMAIL PROTECTED]: During the 60 sec interval between starting SS and everything grinding to a halt I managed to turn on d_musicmagic and got this output (I've trimmed the path file names). Not sure whether this means SS or MMM is re-evaluating the songs, but something definitely thinks it needs it even though nothing's altered since it last completed: ah, now we're getting somewhere... try adding d_remotestream to this, I think it should show the calls to the MMM api via HTTP. I can't recall offhand if we are showing the responses, but if not we'll have to add something to confirm. What does MMM show for numbers at the very bottom of its window? If you pulldown the library menu, does it say 'start analysis' or 'stop analysis'. There was a component that seemed to take more than a week when I first used MMM before slimserver stopped seeing a changed timestamp every time it checked. -kdf ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: MusicMagic, SlimServer 6.01 and SoftSqueeze 2.0b3
kdf, I apologise if my requests for help have sounded like whingeing - I never intended that. Like many others on this forum I'm sure, I work in development myself and know very well the 'It doesn't work' user feedback. That said, I've not been using SS very long, so much of what I'm requesting is how to go about providing you guys with information that will help. The debug logs are something I discovered how to use this evening. You also mention trying to run from the command line - I'm afraid I'll need a bit more info to give this a go. To respond to your specific points: Here's a snippet from a dump with the d_remotestream as well as the d_musicmagic flags set (it gets very repetitive after this): = 2005-04-29 21:09:46.9064 Opening connection to http://localhost:10002/api/cacheid: [localhost on port 10002 with path /api/cacheid with timeout 5] 2005-04-29 21:09:46.9085 Request: GET /api/cacheid HTTP/1.0 Host: localhost:10002 User-Agent: iTunes/3.0 (MSWin32; SlimServer 6.0.2) Accept: */* Cache-Control: no-cache Connection: close Icy-MetaData:1 2005-04-29 21:09:46.9093 Response: HTTP/1.0 200 OK 2005-04-29 21:09:46.9095 header: Content-Type: text/plain 2005-04-29 21:09:46.9097 header: 2005-04-29 21:09:46.9097 Recieved final blank line... 2005-04-29 21:09:46.9097 opened stream! 2005-04-29 21:09:53.9062 MusicMagic: music library has changed! 2005-04-29 21:09:53.9064 MusicMagic: using musicmagic: Predixis MusicMagic Mixer. Version 1.1.4 2005-04-29 21:09:53.9064 MusicMagic: start export 2005-04-29 21:09:53.9068 MusicMagic: export mode is: start 2005-04-29 21:09:53.9069 Opening connection to http://localhost:10002/api/getSongCount: [localhost on port 10002 with path /api/getSongCount with timeout 5] 2005-04-29 21:09:53.9143 Request: GET /api/getSongCount HTTP/1.0 Host: localhost:10002 User-Agent: iTunes/3.0 (MSWin32; SlimServer 6.0.2) Accept: */* Cache-Control: no-cache Connection: close Icy-MetaData:1 2005-04-29 21:09:53.9155 Response: HTTP/1.0 200 OK 2005-04-29 21:09:53.9158 header: Content-Type: text/plain 2005-04-29 21:09:53.9159 header: 2005-04-29 21:09:53.9160 Recieved final blank line... 2005-04-29 21:09:53.9160 opened stream! 2005-04-29 21:10:00.4047 MusicMagic: Got 2054 song(s). 2005-04-29 21:10:00.4048 MusicMagic: export mode is: songs 2005-04-29 21:10:00.4049 Opening connection to http://localhost:10002/api/getSong?index=0: [localhost on port 10002 with path /api/getSong?index=0 with timeout 5] 2005-04-29 21:10:00.4062 Request: GET /api/getSong?index=0 HTTP/1.0 Host: localhost:10002 User-Agent: iTunes/3.0 (MSWin32; SlimServer 6.0.2) Accept: */* Cache-Control: no-cache Connection: close Icy-MetaData:1 2005-04-29 21:10:00.4337 Response: HTTP/1.0 200 OK 2005-04-29 21:10:00.4340 header: Content-Type: text/plain 2005-04-29 21:10:00.4341 header: 2005-04-29 21:10:00.4341 Recieved final blank line... 2005-04-29 21:10:00.4342 opened stream! 2005-04-29 21:10:05.9069 MusicMagic: Exporting song 1: C:\Documents and Settings\Andrew\My Documents\My Music\iTunes\iTunes Music\Belly\Star\01 Someone To Die For.mp3 2005-04-29 21:10:05.9480 MusicMagic: export mode is: songs 2005-04-29 21:10:05.9481 Opening connection to http://localhost:10002/api/getSong?index=1: [localhost on port 10002 with path /api/getSong?index=1 with timeout 5] 2005-04-29 21:10:06.1826 Request: GET /api/getSong?index=1 HTTP/1.0 Host: localhost:10002 User-Agent: iTunes/3.0 (MSWin32; SlimServer 6.0.2) Accept: */* Cache-Control: no-cache Connection: close Icy-MetaData:1 2005-04-29 21:10:06.2135 Response: HTTP/1.0 200 OK 2005-04-29 21:10:06.2138 header: Content-Type: text/plain 2005-04-29 21:10:06.2139 header: 2005-04-29 21:10:06.2139 Recieved final blank line... 2005-04-29 21:10:06.2140 opened stream! 2005-04-29 21:10:06.2206 MusicMagic: Exporting song 2: C:\Documents and Settings\Andrew\My Documents\My Music\iTunes\iTunes Music\Belly\Star\02 Angel.mp3 == Also: What does MMM show for numbers at the very bottom of its window? Songs: 2,054 (2,054 ready) If you pulldown the library menu, does it say 'start analysis' or 'stop analysis' It says 'Start analysis' Hopefully this is useful info. If you think, as I suspect, that all this is more suited to an entry in Bugzilla rather than here on the forum, either as additional info on an existing issue or as a new issue, please let me know. I'm more than happy to put this through the proper channels and provide as much information as possible with a view to enabling others to recreate and ultimately help resolve the problem. Many thanks for your help so far. Andrew -- hunta ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] Re: MusicMagic, SlimServer 6.01 and SoftSqueeze 2.0b3
Version 1.1.5 of MusicMagic Mixer is out now. I have no idea if it will help you, but I figure it is worth a try. I'm using 1.1.5 with the same problem. I'll, too, stop whingeing, and post some logs to the bug reports. -Andy ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: MusicMagic, SlimServer 6.01 and SoftSqueeze 2.0b3
Quoting hunta [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2005-04-29 21:09:53.9062 MusicMagic: music library has changed! 2005-04-29 21:09:53.9064 MusicMagic: using musicmagic: Predixis MusicMagic Mixer. Version 1.1.4 2005-04-29 21:09:53.9064 MusicMagic: start export 2005-04-29 21:09:53.9068 MusicMagic: export mode is: start I have some more questions about this part, for you or anyone seeing the same thing in their logs. Is this at startup? There should be mention of the reload interval after the mention that the library changed. Have you managed to actually complete a scan before? -kdf ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: MusicMagic, SlimServer 6.01 and SoftSqueeze 2.0b3
Quoting hunta [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2005-04-29 21:09:53.9062 MusicMagic: music library has changed! 2005-04-29 21:09:53.9064 MusicMagic: using musicmagic: Predixis MusicMagic Mixer. Version 1.1.4 2005-04-29 21:09:53.9064 MusicMagic: start export 2005-04-29 21:09:53.9068 MusicMagic: export mode is: start I have some more questions about this part, for you or anyone seeing the same thing in their logs. Is this at startup? There should be mention of the reload interval after the mention that the library changed. Have you managed to actually complete a scan before? -kdf ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: MusicMagic, SlimServer 6.01 and SoftSqueeze 2.0b3
kdf Wrote: I'll add a bit more in there hopefully for tomorrow's nightly build, to track the scan trigger and we'll have to see the logs again. That sounds good. Unfortunately I'll be away for a week, but it looks like abunn is experiencing the same issue so may be able to provide feedback (assuming his logs look the same to start with). Otherwise I'll be back on to it next Monday. kdf Wrote: In the meantime, it might be worth trying out MMM 1.1.5, which I believe has been released a couple days ago. That is what I've been using in the recent tests. I've upgraded to 1.1.5 and same story - as seen also by abunn. kdf Wrote: Is this at startup? Yes, that's the beginning of the log onwards. I wasn't able to get the debug settings to save between sessions though, so I don't know what SS is doing on initialise (i.e. between start-up and me enabling the debug). kdf Wrote: Have you managed to actually complete a scan before? I assume you mean SS scanning the MMM library. Yes - I left it running all day today while I was at work, and it had finished when I got back. Everything worked basically fine (a few CPU peaks causing minor playback interruptions on the SoftSqueeze) until I closed MMM SS down and restarted them, at which point it seemed to have lost all knowledge and it was back to square 1. -- hunta ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: MusicMagic, SlimServer 6.01 and SoftSqueeze 2.0b3
Quoting hunta [EMAIL PROTECTED]: kdf Wrote: I'll add a bit more in there hopefully for tomorrow's nightly build, to track the scan trigger and we'll have to see the logs again. That sounds good. Unfortunately I'll be away for a week, but it looks like abunn is experiencing the same issue so may be able to provide feedback (assuming his logs look the same to start with). Otherwise I'll be back on to it next Monday. np, I think I have some ideas. My library is very small on this machine so I was not even noticing the startup scan, but I am seeing one now. However, it was only one. Restarting the server has not triggered another scan yet. so I don't know what SS is doing on initialise (i.e. between start-up and me enabling the debug). stop the service. start-run-cmd c:\program files\simserver\server\slim.exe --d_server --d_plugins --d_musicmagic --d_remotestream -kdf ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: MusicMagic, SlimServer 6.01 and SoftSqueeze 2.0b3
Could be on to something here. Every time I've started SS so far it's been from the launch icon, i.e. C:\Program Files\SlimServer\SlimServer.exe. I just did your test, which involves starting slim.exe from the command line as a service. In the DOS window I could see the initialisation, then it whizzed through my library in a few seconds. SoftSqueeze was responsive the whole time. I can now navigate to localhost:9000 and everything's working 100% fine. I'd now like to revert to starting the service using SlimServer.exe to check whether the problem's still there, but I can't work out how to stop it first..! -- hunta ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: MusicMagic, SlimServer 6.01 and SoftSqueeze 2.0b3
Quoting hunta [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Could be on to something here. actually, I've noticed that the cacheid seems to be different every time musicmagic is restarted, which will trigger the scan. I'd now like to revert to starting the service using SlimServer.exe to check whether the problem's still there, but I can't work out how to stop it first..! ctrl-c :) -kkdf ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: MusicMagic, SlimServer 6.01 and SoftSqueeze 2.0b3
actually, I've noticed that the cacheid seems to be different every time musicmagic is restarted, which will trigger the scan. That fits with what I'm seeing here. I can close SS (ctrl-c!) and restart it from SlimServer.exe, and there's no problem at all. It's only when I close it down, close down and restart MMM that I see a problem. The difference I saw previously is that everything seems to run much faster and more smoothly from the DOS prompt than via SlimServer.exe - including scanning the library, but also pauses between plays etc. So, even if there is a second underlying issue, one way and another it looks like it is better to run as a service. Does this have to run from a DOS shell in XP? I can't see it in my list of services (My Computer Manage Services). Many thanks for all your help on this - most appreciated. Hopefully abunn will be able to back this up with what he sees too. Andrew -- hunta ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: MusicMagic, SlimServer 6.01 and SoftSqueeze 2.0b3
On 29-Apr-05, at 5:19 PM, hunta wrote: So, even if there is a second underlying issue, one way and another it looks like it is better to run as a service. Does this have to run from a DOS shell in XP? I can't see it in my list of services (My Computer Manage Services) slim.exe runs from command line, which gives you all of the feedback. i really don't know much else about the particulars of the service since I run slimserver.pl on linux and windows. i can make that a service using firedaemon. . Many thanks for all your help on this - most appreciated. Hopefully abunn will be able to back this up with what he sees too. happy to help, when there is something there to look at. hopefully this actually leads to the solution :) -k ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] Re: MusicMagic, SlimServer 6.01 and SoftSqueeze 2.0b3
Hey all: I have the same symptom (snipprt of log file pasted below). MMM has finished its analysis (0/0/0) and the scan starts about a minute after slim.exe is run. My reload interval is set to 3600. I'm using SS 6.0.2 and MMM 1.1.5 One thing I see here is that slim is reading 9660 songs in the MMM db. Slimserver sees 9667 songs. The seven missing songs are too short for MMM to analyze. What that says to me is that slim is making a read of the MMM db successfully. I'll leave slim running with MMM overnight and see if it finshes scanning and is stable. It's hard to leave it running and inoperable (e.g, with the CPU pegged) as the SB gets a lot of use. Thanks kdf. You rock. -Andy ~ Here are two starts where I started slim.exe with MMM already running. Log file 1: Use of uninitialized value in exists at /PerlApp/Slim/Buttons/Home.pm line 159. Use of uninitialized value in exists at /PerlApp/Slim/Buttons/Home.pm line 159. 2005-04-29 20:30:21.7327 MusicMagic: Testing for API on localhost:10002 2005-04-29 20:30:21.9215 MusicMagic: Predixis MusicMagic Mixer. Version 1.1.5 2005-04-29 20:31:22.0244 MusicMagic: music library has changed! 2005-04-29 20:31:22.0245 MusicMagic: using musicmagic: Predixis MusicMagic Mixer. Version 1.1.5 2005-04-29 20:31:22.0246 MusicMagic: start export 2005-04-29 20:31:22.0260 MusicMagic: export mode is: start 2005-04-29 20:31:22.1181 MusicMagic: Got 9660 song(s). 2005-04-29 20:31:22.1183 MusicMagic: export mode is: songs 2005-04-29 20:31:22.2124 MusicMagic: Exporting song 1: F:\music\mp3s\1.8.7\01 - Worlds Apart.mp3 2005-04-29 20:31:22.2369 MusicMagic: export mode is: songs ...and so on. Log file 2: Use of uninitialized value in exists at /PerlApp/Slim/Buttons/Home.pm line 159. Use of uninitialized value in exists at /PerlApp/Slim/Buttons/Home.pm line 159. 2005-04-29 20:38:36.6708 MusicMagic: Testing for API on localhost:10002 2005-04-29 20:38:36.7728 MusicMagic: Predixis MusicMagic Mixer. Version 1.1.5 2005-04-29 20:39:36.8550 MusicMagic: music library has changed! 2005-04-29 20:39:36.8552 MusicMagic: using musicmagic: Predixis MusicMagic Mixer. Version 1.1.5 2005-04-29 20:39:36.8553 MusicMagic: start export 2005-04-29 20:39:36.8559 MusicMagic: export mode is: start 2005-04-29 20:39:36.9488 MusicMagic: Got 9660 song(s). 2005-04-29 20:39:36.9491 MusicMagic: export mode is: songs 2005-04-29 20:39:37.0432 MusicMagic: Exporting song 1: F:\music\mp3s\1.8.7\01 - Worlds Apart.mp3 2005-04-29 20:39:37.0677 MusicMagic: export mode is: songs ...and so on. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: MusicMagic, SlimServer 6.01 and SoftSqueeze 2.0b3
On 29-Apr-05, at 5:51 PM, Andy Bunn wrote: Thanks kdf. You rock. -Andy thanks, but I haven't actually solved anything yet. i've added a couple new debug lines just now. if you use svn, please update. if you use the windows exe, please download and install the 6.1 nightly build for Apr 30 and see what you find. My current theory is that musicmagic is creating a new cacheid on each startup, so i'm looking for output from more than one run so that I can confirm this. i have also set my reload interval for musicmagic to 0 and this avoids the scan even on startup, so try that as well since that may at least lessen the problem in the short term. -kdf ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] Re: MusicMagic, SlimServer 6.01 and SoftSqueeze 2.0b3
Alright. I let slim rescan (it took less than an hour). I could then kill slim and restart it without any problem. When I restarted MMM and ran slim it scanned again: Use of uninitialized value in exists at /PerlApp/Slim/Buttons/Home.pm line 159. Use of uninitialized value in exists at /PerlApp/Slim/Buttons/Home.pm line 159. 2005-04-29 21:49:06.3227 MusicMagic: Testing for API on localhost:10002 2005-04-29 21:49:06.3414 Executing command 00:04:20:05:71:8c: playlist (add) (F:\music\slimplaylists\__00_04_20_05_71_8c.m3u) () () () () () 2005-04-29 21:49:06.5265 Returning array: playlist (add) (F:\music\slimplaylists\__00_04_20_05_71_8c.m3u) () () () () () 2005-04-29 21:49:06.5310 MusicMagic: Predixis MusicMagic Mixer. Version 1.1.5 2005-04-29 21:49:34.2200 Executing command no client: rescan () () () () () () () 2005-04-29 21:49:34.5890 MusicMagic: using musicmagic: Predixis MusicMagic Mixer. Version 1.1.5 2005-04-29 21:49:34.5893 MusicMagic: start export 2005-04-29 21:49:34.5894 Returning array: rescan () () () () () () () 2005-04-29 21:49:34.6716 MusicMagic: export mode is: start 2005-04-29 21:49:34.7715 MusicMagic: Got 9660 song(s). 2005-04-29 21:49:34.8053 MusicMagic: export mode is: songs 2005-04-29 21:49:34.9229 MusicMagic: Exporting song 1: F:\music\mp3s\1.8.7\01 - Worlds Apart.mp3 2005-04-29 21:49:34.9519 MusicMagic: export mode is: songs ...and so on. So, when MMM is initialized, slim feels compelled to scan (orwhatever the right word is). -Andy ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: MusicMagic, SlimServer 6.01 and SoftSqueeze 2.0b3
On 29-Apr-05, at 7:26 PM, Andy Bunn wrote: So, when MMM is initialized, slim feels compelled to scan (orwhatever the right word is). that is the current theory. try tomorrow's build for a bit more debug around that area. it wont change anything, but it will at least give recorded proof of the variables that determine when to scan. that way I can be sure I'm not just making it up :) wendell is also working from the Predixis side to give is a bit more to work with to determine when is and is not a good time to scan. -kdf ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: MusicMagic, SlimServer 6.01 and SoftSqueeze 2.0b3
On 27-Apr-05, at 9:25 PM, Wendell Hicken wrote: On 4/27/05, abunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I just start music magic in the absence of slim, the cpu pegs and the MusicMagicMixer.exe is the culprit. But, no analysis is being done. At least, it claims not (there are a few tracks that mm lists as unanalyzable - too short). It's a drag; but clearly, music magic is to blame, not slim. Maybe this thread is happening in the wrong forum ;) Are you using Watch folders? Maybe MMM is scanning a large/remote disk looking for new stuff? Wendell (MMM Developer) aha! the kdf of mmm, or am I the whicken of slim?? ;) -k ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: MusicMagic, SlimServer 6.01 and SoftSqueeze 2.0b3
Wendell Hicken Wrote: Are you using Watch folders? Maybe MMM is scanning a large/remote disk looking for new stuff? Wendell (MMM Developer) That could be it, I guess - I am using Watch Folders. I'll try turning them off in MM and seeing if that helps. I'll also post a similar thread on the Predexis forum. -- hunta ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: MusicMagic, SlimServer 6.01 and SoftSqueeze 2.0b3
I did a series of test lookups on their web site search front-end and it is obviously only checking a couple of locations carrying mainstream current albums. Is this the same on-line database as their product uses, or is the latter something more sophisticated? The web-based search found under 15% of the albums or artists I asked it about (deliberately awkward ones of course): Album Art Aggregator is better at locating album art than that, using very similar sources. I guess the problem is that my collection includes things like Sergey Kuryokhin's 'Sparrow Oratorium'and Huub de Lange's 'Life and death in a street organ'...(both artists are in the database at AllMusic.com, I wonder if anyone's thought of using them for track/artwork lookups?) All this presumably means that MusicMagic would have to do complete analysis on a significant proportion of my collection. What's the general view on this product, especially as one evidently has to subscribe to get Slimserver integration? Is it worth the effort? Thanks, --Richard E -- relen ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] Re: MusicMagic, SlimServer 6.01 and SoftSqueeze 2.0b3
What's the general view on this product, especially as one evidently has to subscribe to get Slimserver integration? Is it worth the effort? It's great (when it works I guess - given the nature of this thread). I have a 10k song library with seriously eclectic spread (I suppose that in 10k tracks it's easy to be eclectic). Almost every time I make a mix I listen to something of quality that I haven't heard in years...I almost always think, How did it know? It's a great product and once the integration is solved then it'll be near perfect. I do wonder how it works. I imagine through some type of eigen solution as it's so fast. Does anybody know? ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: MusicMagic, SlimServer 6.01 and SoftSqueeze 2.0b3
I guess the problem is that my collection includes things like Sergey Kuryokhin's 'Sparrow Oratorium'and Huub de Lange's 'Life and death in a street organ'...(both artists are in the database at AllMusic.com, I wonder if anyone's thought of using them for track/artwork lookups?) Music Collector uses AllMusic - so I assume their MP3 variant does too. -- Patrick Dixon ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: MusicMagic, SlimServer 6.01 and SoftSqueeze 2.0b3
Jim Forsythe Wrote: I don't see an option for watch folders anywhere on MMM - where is it? The second half of this page should give you what you need to know: http://music.predixis.com/playlistadj.html -- hunta ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: MusicMagic, SlimServer 6.01 and SoftSqueeze 2.0b3
On 4/28/05, relen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did a series of test lookups on their web site search front-end and it is obviously only checking a couple of locations carrying mainstream current albums. Is this the same on-line database as their product uses, or is the latter something more sophisticated? I think you mean the cdideas.predixis.com website - if so, this is only using a small subset of the whole database which has been connected to Amazon and CD Baby. The whole database is over 5,000,000 songs right now. Wendell ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: MusicMagic, SlimServer 6.01 and SoftSqueeze 2.0b3
On 4/28/05, Jim Forsythe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been having the same problem. If I turn MMM on, and integrate it with slimserver, within a single song play, slimserver locks up. The web interface won't respond, and after the buffer empties, it stops playing. This is on Linux (red hat 9). I don't see an option for watch folders anywhere on MMM - where is it? We don't have watch folders on Linux yet, so this is likely a different issue (if watch folders are indeed the cause of the other issue). Wendell ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: MusicMagic, SlimServer 6.01 and SoftSqueeze 2.0b3
On 4/28/05, relen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All this presumably means that MusicMagic would have to do complete analysis on a significant proportion of my collection. What's the general view on this product, especially as one evidently has to subscribe to get Slimserver integration? Is it worth the effort? As far as the subscription goes, I can get you free access until your collection is up and running, and you see how you like it for yourself. No need to spend any money until you're sure you are happy with the results. You can either use the Trial Key button in version 1.1.5, or email me directly. Wendell ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: MusicMagic, SlimServer 6.01 and SoftSqueeze 2.0b3
This is probably a dumb question but I can I use MM on a Windows machine with SS running on a Linux server (and have them talk to each other)? -- Patrick Dixon ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: MusicMagic, SlimServer 6.01 and SoftSqueeze 2.0b3
I've tried everything I can think of now, including turning off Watch Folders, and there's no change in the situation. I left it grinding away for about 45 minutes, during which time my system was unusable, before giving up and closing down MMM. This is a real shame as I love the concept but can't make it work. I guess I could try MoodLogic, but having looked at both initially MMM seems easier and I felt gave better results. If anyone has any other thoughts I'd love to hear them. Thanks, Andrew -- hunta ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: MusicMagic, SlimServer 6.01 and SoftSqueeze 2.0b3
I do have unanalyzable tracks, though all activity which can be completed has been. I don't know if it's the unanalyzable tracks which are causing the problem though as Task Manager is reporting that it's slim.exe which is hogging the CPU. I'd have thought it would be MMM hogging CPU if it's something to do with analyzing. -- hunta ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] Re: MusicMagic, SlimServer 6.01 and SoftSqueeze 2.0b3
Right, but when I have this situation and I shutdown both slim and musicmagic and restart musicmagic only, then musicmagic hogs the cpu. this is leading me to believe that musicmagic is the culprit. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of hunta Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 3:19 PM To: discuss@lists.slimdevices.com Subject: [slim] Re: MusicMagic, SlimServer 6.01 and SoftSqueeze 2.0b3 I do have unanalyzable tracks, though all activity which can be completed has been. I don't know if it's the unanalyzable tracks which are causing the problem though as Task Manager is reporting that it's slim.exe which is hogging the CPU. I'd have thought it would be MMM hogging CPU if it's something to do with analyzing. -- hunta ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: MusicMagic, SlimServer 6.01 and SoftSqueeze 2.0b3
Dan Sully Wrote: What version of MusicMagic are you running? I downloaded it from the Predixis site a few days ago - 1.1.4, I believe. -- hunta ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] Re: MusicMagic, SlimServer 6.01 and SoftSqueeze 2.0b3
I see this too, any time anything new gets added to the MM library. The CPU usage does return to normal after a while, though. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of hunta Sent: 27 April 2005 00:26 To: discuss@lists.slimdevices.com Subject: [slim] Re: MusicMagic, SlimServer 6.01 and SoftSqueeze 2.0b3 Okay, I've tried all that and even uninstalled SS 6.01 and replaced it with the pre-release SS 6.02. Still exactly the same - slim.exe at near 100% if I enable MusicMagic integration. MM itself is doing nothing (CPU 0%, all songs analysed). The only way to break the deadlock seems to be to disable MM. Any other ideas as to what I might be doing wrong? Many thanks again. Andrew ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: MusicMagic, SlimServer 6.01 and SoftSqueeze 2.0b3
ChrisB Wrote: I see this too, any time anything new gets added to the MM library. The CPU usage does return to normal after a while, though. Chris, how long is a while? I tried leaving it on the basis that it could take a while to initialise the first time but gave up after, say, an hour. -- hunta ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] Re: MusicMagic, SlimServer 6.01 and SoftSqueeze 2.0b3
Sorry, I don't tend to keep a stopwatch on it, but it does seem to take quite a while (30 mins?), even for small additions (10-20 tracks) to my library. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of hunta Sent: 27 April 2005 14:05 To: discuss@lists.slimdevices.com Subject: [slim] Re: MusicMagic, SlimServer 6.01 and SoftSqueeze 2.0b3 ChrisB Wrote: I see this too, any time anything new gets added to the MM library. The CPU usage does return to normal after a while, though. Chris, how long is a while? I tried leaving it on the basis that it could take a while to initialise the first time but gave up after, say, an hour. -- hunta ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: MusicMagic, SlimServer 6.01 and SoftSqueeze 2.0b3
ChrisB Wrote: Sorry, I don't tend to keep a stopwatch on it, but it does seem to take quite a while (30 mins?), even for small additions (10-20 tracks) to my library. Blimey, that's quite a hit. That means every time you add something to your library you need to wait for MM to analyse and verify it, then another half hour or whatever for SlimServer to 'catch up', with no tunes on the SB all the while. Surely this isn't right? -- hunta ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: MusicMagic, SlimServer 6.01 and SoftSqueeze 2.0b3
I have exactly the same issue and have tried a number of nightly builds (currently on 6.0.1 2781). I actually bought MusicMagic specifically for the Slim integration, but given my machine grinds to a halt (AMD Athlon 64 3200+ with a GB of RAM) everytime I add tracks I have had to disable the MM - Slim linkage. I see 100% CPU for periods of around 30 minutes and this is not always related to adding new tracks - it seems to happen on a periodic basis - I am not sure if there is some refresh setting I have missed. -- Chris Howard ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: MusicMagic, SlimServer 6.01 and SoftSqueeze 2.0b3
* Chris Howard shaped the electrons to say... I actually bought MusicMagic specifically for the Slim integration, but given my machine grinds to a halt (AMD Athlon 64 3200+ with a GB of RAM) everytime I add tracks I have had to disable the MM - Slim linkage. I see 100% CPU for periods of around 30 minutes and this is not always related to adding new tracks - it seems to happen on a periodic basis - I am not sure if there is some refresh setting I have missed. Has MusicMagic completely finished analyzing your music? -D -- You have the puzzle pieces? Good, then turn off the damn walls. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: MusicMagic, SlimServer 6.01 and SoftSqueeze 2.0b3
Yes - 100% completed - status bar is reading 0 / 0 / 0 so all tracks have been analysed / added etc. Whether I start slim.exe manually or via the service it starts ok then within about 5-10 minutes it will ramp up to 100% CPU and stay there for 20-30 minutes. It will then come back down again. It will then jump back up again on regular intervals. I saw a post sometime ago that it was related to Slim - MM integration and so I disabled MM until I heard anymore. Seems others are still seeing the issue. -- Chris Howard ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] Re: MusicMagic, SlimServer 6.01 and SoftSqueeze 2.0b3
Yes - 100% completed - status bar is reading 0 / 0 / 0 so all tracks have been analysed / added etc. Whether I start slim.exe manually or via the service it starts ok then within about 5-10 minutes it will ramp up to 100% CPU and stay there for 20-30 minutes. It will then come back down again. It will then jump back up again on regular intervals. I have the exact same issue. Running the current stable release of both products and XP SP2. -Andy ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: MusicMagic, SlimServer 6.01 and SoftSqueeze 2.0b3
On 4/27/05, abunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I just start music magic in the absence of slim, the cpu pegs and the MusicMagicMixer.exe is the culprit. But, no analysis is being done. At least, it claims not (there are a few tracks that mm lists as unanalyzable - too short). It's a drag; but clearly, music magic is to blame, not slim. Maybe this thread is happening in the wrong forum ;) Are you using Watch folders? Maybe MMM is scanning a large/remote disk looking for new stuff? Wendell (MMM Developer) ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: MusicMagic, SlimServer 6.01 and SoftSqueeze 2.0b3
Make sure all your music is analyzed in Music Magic before you integrate it with Slim Server. Once it is it is best to do a wipe cache once you turn on Music Magic support in Slim Server. -- tvoil ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: MusicMagic, SlimServer 6.01 and SoftSqueeze 2.0b3
Thanks for the feedback. My library is fully analyzed, but I'll try turning analysis off in MMM and see whether that helps. One thing I wasn't sure of: tvoil: Make sure all your music is analyzed in Music Magic before you integrate it with Slim Server. Once it is it is best to do a wipe cache once you turn on Music Magic support in Slim Server How do I do a wipe cache? Thanks again. -- hunta ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: MusicMagic, SlimServer 6.01 and SoftSqueeze 2.0b3
How do I do a wipe cache? in the web browser, server settings-performance click the Wipe Cache button. With 6.0.1, there have been some issues using wipe cache, however. If you end up with strange results in the pagebar (the letters at the top fo the browse lists), a server restart should clean them up. -kdf ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: MusicMagic, SlimServer 6.01 and SoftSqueeze 2.0b3
kdf Wrote: How do I do a wipe cache? in the web browser, server settings-performance click the Wipe Cache button. With 6.0.1, there have been some issues using wipe cache, however. If you end up with strange results in the pagebar (the letters at the top fo the browse lists), a server restart should clean them up. -kdf Okay, I've tried all that and even uninstalled SS 6.01 and replaced it with the pre-release SS 6.02. Still exactly the same - slim.exe at near 100% if I enable MusicMagic integration. MM itself is doing nothing (CPU 0%, all songs analysed). The only way to break the deadlock seems to be to disable MM. Any other ideas as to what I might be doing wrong? Many thanks again. Andrew -- hunta ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: MusicMagic, SlimServer 6.01 and SoftSqueeze 2.0b3
* hunta shaped the electrons to say... Okay, I've tried all that and even uninstalled SS 6.01 and replaced it with the pre-release SS 6.02. Still exactly the same - slim.exe at near 100% if I enable MusicMagic integration. MM itself is doing nothing (CPU 0%, all songs analysed). The only way to break the deadlock seems to be to disable MM. What version of MusicMagic are you running? -D -- vacation (n) : an extended trip away from home in search of inconvenient ways to connect to the Internet. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
