Re: [slim] Re: Will There Be a SB4?
On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:10:50 +0100, Simon Still [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: It's interesting all the variations that are possible. I'm sure a lot of us are runnign at least one of our SB's into a surround amp and probably using the optical out on the SB and using the amp's DA converter. Built in amp? don't understand that one. As it is you can use a set of powered speakers (of which there are increasing numbers available) or a seperate amp giving the option of other inputs (TV, radio tuner etc). Powered speakers have their own hassles. They need line cables as well as (long?) power cables which doesn't make for a nice and clean solution. I would welcome an SB with a built in (T-Amp?) amplifier. Perhaps it could be a click on modular extra. Just a little black (or white) box that attaches to the back of an SB and feeds on the line out and a dc out. I really like the idea of having *less* cables. Built in radio? Internet radio seems to remove the need for an FM or DAB tuner - if you want one of these get a receiver rather than an amp. I agree, since SD added WMA streaming I can receive all the radio I want over the 'net. I'm not sure I'd buy a boombox but i can see why people would want one. It's a nice idea. I'm not sure yet if I'd buy one. BTW: I see that the Roku Soundbridge radio is now shipping... Regards, Peter ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Will There Be a SB4?
I'd appreciate SB4 - digital circuitry from Transporter and no DAC at all. BTW, if transporter's DAC is decent enough to play in Benchmark, Stello and Lavry league, $2K becomes quite a reasonable price: say $1300 DAC and $700 enhanced network interface. -- 325xi 325xi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5661 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=25805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Will There Be a SB4?
peter Wrote: I would welcome an SB with a built in (T-Amp?) amplifier. Perhaps it could be a click on modular extra. Just a little black (or white) box that attaches to the back of an SB and feeds on the line out and a dc out. You've just given me a great idea for a little modding :) Shame the power socket isn't right next to the photo sockets, but i think it should be possible to get round that -- funkstar funkstar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=25805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Will There Be a SB4?
funkstar Wrote: You've just given me a great idea for a little modding :) Shame the power socket isn't right next to the photo sockets, but i think it should be possible to get round that Sounds cool :) But be careful with the t-amp, mine blew up and took the things it was connected to (PSU and mixer) with it. Not nice... -- radish radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=25805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Will There Be a SB4?
To the original question, my guess is I'm pretty sure there will a SB4 and sooner than we think. The SB3 free giveaway with Transporter pre-order is probably a way to get rid of some surplus stock before going ahead and announcing the SB4. We should probably start a SB4 whish list immediately! haha -- Loftprojection Loftprojection's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5525 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=25805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Will There Be a SB4?
Loftprojection Wrote: To the original question, my guess is I'm pretty sure there will a SB4 and sooner than we think. The SB3 free giveaway with Transporter pre-order is probably a way to get rid of some surplus stock before going ahead and announcing the SB4. We should probably start a SB4 whish list immediately! haha I assume they'll use the AKG DAC in the new SB. It's only $2.60/ea in quantity 1000. That's the biggest change I can think they'd make while keeping the differentiation between the Squeezebox and the Transporter, since many of the other features (Slimserver 6.5, OGG playback) will be available for the current devices. I don't see things like XLR outputs, digital in, etc. being something to put in the Squeezebox. My only other thought is a return to a more low-profile box a la SB2. Perhaps with a clever knob and a few buttons. -- mrfantasy --Mike mrfantasy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1127 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=25805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Will There Be a SB4?
mrfantasy Wrote: My only other thought is a return to a more low-profile box a la SB2. Perhaps with a clever knob and a few buttons. Ain't that the truth. I hate the vertical design (while still technically slim) and would love to see it go back to a horizontal design. Then again, I'm replacing the slimp3 in my garage with a recently acquired sb3. I don't really like the form factor any where else but my garage. I'd have replaced my other sb2 with an sb3 if I could figure out how to make it horizontal, but oh well, now I think I'm buying a Transporter... -- peecee peecee's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=786 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=25805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Will There Be a SB4?
I'm no audiophile so while I can appreciate the Transporter, it does nothing for me and I wouldn't buy one even if I had the money. I got a SB3 because I want a simple (ish) way to have decent sounding music throughout the house and get rid of all the CDs that clutter up the place. What I'd like to seek is a SB with built in amp as the Sonos ZonePlayers have, clock and radio would be nice too. This is just my 2p's worth - everyone has opinions... Cheers Andy -- Andy D Andy D's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6091 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=25805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Will There Be a SB4?
It's interesting all the variations that are possible. I'm sure a lot of us are runnign at least one of our SB's into a surround amp and probably using the optical out on the SB and using the amp's DA converter.Built in amp? don't understand that one. As it is you can use a set of powered speakers (of which there are increasing numbers available) or a seperate amp giving the option of other inputs (TV, radio tuner etc). Built in radio? Internet radio seems to remove the need for an FM or DAB tuner - if you want one of these get a receiver rather than an amp.I'm not sure I'd buy a boombox but i can see why people would want one. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Will There Be a SB4?
Simon Still Wrote: It's interesting all the variations that are possible. I'm sure a lot of us are runnign at least one of our SB's into a surround amp and probably using the optical out on the SB and using the amp's DA converter. This may be a stupid question but I think I need to clarify differences in audio set up using a surround sound amp.. if you use optical out from SB3 into a surround sound amp do you negate the effects of the Sb£'s internal DAC? if so then is the only way to make proper use of the SB3's DAC to use the analog output forgive the ignorance of my question .. i just love mi music! ;-) -- rick's cafe WHEN MUSIC HIT YOU YOU FEEL NO PAIN!!! rick's cafe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=25805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Will There Be a SB4?
rick's cafe Wrote: if you use optical out from SB3 into a surround sound amp do you negate the effects of the Sb3's internal DAC? You don't use the SB3 DAC, but the surround amp's one. rick's cafe Wrote: if so then is the only way to make proper use of the SB3's DAC to use the analog output YES Sir ! ciao, TommyZ -- tommyz tommyz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5457 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=25805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Will There Be a SB4?
if so then is the only way to make proper use of the SB3's DAC to use the analog output Correct. In my experience, you'll not only hear the differences in DACs, you'll hear the differences in analog versus digital implementation. Most receivers digitize all signals, even analog. If it's digital already, no conversion is necessary. If it's analog, it has to go through an ADC (analog-to-digital converter). It's here that there can be a dramatic loss in quality. Despite the SB3's DAC, I found the analog sound to be so warm as to be muddy and indistinct in vocals. This problem is largely negated by using headphones directly to the SB3, which obviously bypasses the receiver. The digital is clear and crisp, perhaps a little bright. You can bypass the receiver's ADC by selecting bypass or direct mode. It sounds a lot better to me, but L/R speakers only in this mode. Other analog sources have a similar muddy low-impact sound. And I'm not using a bad receiver either, it's a Marantz 8400. -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=25805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Will There Be a SB4?
Mark Lanctot Wrote: Despite the SB3's DAC, I found the analog sound to be so warm as to be muddy and indistinct in vocals. This problem is largely negated by using headphones directly to the SB3, which obviously bypasses the receiver. The digital is clear and crisp, perhaps a little bright. Sorry Mark, but doesn't that mean you found the receiver's ADC/DAC circuits to sound so warm as to make muddy and indistict, the nice sound you could hear directly from the SB headphone socket? -- Fifer Fifer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=639 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=25805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Will There Be a SB4?
thanks for the replies will try out the different combos to see what difference I hear -- rick's cafe WHEN MUSIC HIT YOU YOU FEEL NO PAIN!!! rick's cafe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=25805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Will There Be a SB4?
Perhaps it will inherit the following items from the Transporter: - DAC input - tactile feedback knob Oh, oh! I vote for 2 screens and on device controls with knob! Kevin ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Will There Be a SB4?
'Course they won't tell, nor would it be wise to do so. There was a very minor leak about the Transporter a month ago, but of course nothing from the Slim Devices people. The clearest indications offered are that some of the Transporter features will trickle their way down to a future product (as every manufacturer does with a flagship product), so of course there will be an SB4 or something. No indication on timing and there seems to be many calls for a boombox before an SB4, but all the while when people were calling for an audiophile unit there was a prototype being worked on in one of the offices... So yes they do listen to requests here. In fact, the Transporter incorporated many of the things asked right here. Slim's bread and butter is the Squeezebox line. They haven't even shipped a single Transporter yet, so not to worry. They obviously don't expect every single Squeezebox owner to switch to a Transporter. It's a high-end, niche product that's definitely not mass-market. -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=25805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Will There Be a SB4?
so it is a yes :) g -- blah509 blah509's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1405 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=25805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Will There Be a SB4?
blah509 Wrote: so it is a yes :) Undoubtedly! The SB3 is not discontinued, and there will surely be an in-kind replacement for it at some point in time. Perhaps it will inherit the following items from the Transporter: - DAC input - tactile feedback knob ? -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=25805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Will There Be a SB4?
On 25-Jul-06, at 7:14 PM, Mark Lanctot wrote: blah509 Wrote: so it is a yes :) Undoubtedly! The SB3 is not discontinued, and there will surely be an in-kind replacement for it at some point in time. from the bbc article: Mr Cosson said: Lessons we have learned with this product will trickle down to our mainstream products. That is about as much comment as I have ever seen on future products. -k ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Will There Be a SB4?
Come on now. Two Grand? You've got to be kidding. How many of us have that kind of change lying around? I could barely scrape up enough for the wired SB2. -- mikelis mikelis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1084 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=25805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
