Re: [slim] Using 2 wireless routers
Jim, Thanks for the reply. Your method actually seems to be more in line with what I am truly wanting to do, but didn't think was possible. I didn't think I could have two routers on the same network both serving as a router. I'm not a networking guy, myself, so I don't understand the in-depth knowledge of routers. I am wanting to use the 2wire device as little as absolutely possible (for obvious reasons). It's my understanding from your reply that your main computer (and any others) that would be hooked up to the LAN ports of the 2wire, in normal mode, are actually hooked up to the LAN ports on the Linksys. Is this accurate? This is how mine is now and I would love to keep it this way. I don't want to have multiple network segments and would like to have everything flow through and be controlled by the Linksys. 1. Does the Linksys remain enabled as a DHCP Server? 2. Does the 2wire assign an address to the Linksys once it detects it, or did you have to put it in manually in the Router IP field? 3. Does the Operating Mode of the Linksys remain enabled as a Gateway or be changed to Router since there are now two routers in the equation? Could you please take a look at the screenshots I've attached and let me know what the settings for the fields in the red boxes should be? I would imagine those fields are the main ones that either need to be changed or left alone. Thanks in advance for your help. I've been worried about my Squeezebox ever since I learned I would be getting a new router from Uverse, and not just a modem like I have with my current DSL. Best, Aaron +---+ |Filename: Router2.JPG | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=4926| +---+ -- ajreinert ajreinert's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17014 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45855 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Using 2 wireless routers
JimC, I just signed up for the ATT UVerse service and it will be installed in a couple of weeks. I am receiving the 2-wire residential gateway (3800HGV), but currently have a Linksys WRT54G router I want to use for the purposes of my Slim Devices Squeezebox (wireless connection). I have read many threads that say I should be running a cable from one of the LAN ports on the 2wire to the WAN port of the Linksys. Others say I should be going from a LAN port on the 2-wire to a LAN port on the Linksys. All I'm trying to accomplish is using the 2wire RG for my direct Ethernet connection to my desktop PC for Internet access and using the WRT54G to provide wireless connectivity to my Squeezebox. I'd also like to be able to access the Internet wirelessly through the WRT54G with laptops (because of the security of the Linksys versus 2wire), but I'm willing to sacrifice this by purchasing and hooking up a Linksys wireless access point to one of the LAN ports on the 2wire RG if that makes things easier and less complicated. It sounds as though you accomplished something very similar to what I am wanting to do. Can you please lead me in the right direction with regards to what I need to be disabling on which device and what I need to be enabling on which device? Also, is it proper to make the connection from the LAN port on the 2wire to the WAN port on the Linksys or one of the LAN ports on the Linksys? Thanks in advance. A.J. -- ajreinert ajreinert's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17014 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45855 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Using 2 wireless routers
ajreinert;293761 Wrote: JimC, I just signed up for the ATT UVerse service and it will be installed in a couple of weeks. I am receiving the 2-wire residential gateway (3800HGV), but currently have a Linksys WRT54G router I want to use for the purposes of my Slim Devices Squeezebox (wireless connection). I have read many threads that say I should be running a cable from one of the LAN ports on the 2wire to the WAN port of the Linksys. Others say I should be going from a LAN port on the 2-wire to a LAN port on the Linksys. All I'm trying to accomplish is using the 2wire RG for my direct Ethernet connection to my desktop PC for Internet access and using the WRT54G to provide wireless connectivity to my Squeezebox. I'd also like to be able to access the Internet wirelessly through the WRT54G with laptops (because of the security of the Linksys versus 2wire), but I'm willing to sacrifice this by purchasing and hooking up a Linksys wireless access point to one of the LAN ports on the 2wire RG if that makes things easier and less complicated. It sounds as though you accomplished something very similar to what I am wanting to do. Can you please lead me in the right direction with regards to what I need to be disabling on which device and what I need to be enabling on which device? Also, is it proper to make the connection from the LAN port on the 2wire to the WAN port on the Linksys or one of the LAN ports on the Linksys? Thanks in advance. A.J. I set mine up differently than it seems like you want to... The 2wire LAN goes to the WRT54GL WAN port and all of my wired connections go to the Linksys or to a switch connected to the Linksys. All IP addresses are allocated by the Linksys, except the router's own address, which is allocated by the 2wire. The 2wire was pretty easy to configure for this setup: I disabled the wireless on the 2wire, and connected the Linksys. The 2wire detected another router and asked what I wanted to do with it... I responded that I wanted it used as router, and the 2wire automatically setup the routing table, gateway, etc. This setup works better for me because all my peripherals are on one segment, and since I have a TON of networked devices (cameras, computers, phones, Squeezeboxes, gaming consoles, etc.) this makes it easier to have them all talking to one another. I'm not a hardcore networking guy, so setting up a virtual network to accommodate multiple segments was more than I wanted to attempt. -= Jim -- JimC well, she wasn't all of that, but she sure was some of that. -- BKlaas' college buddy JimC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9428 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45855 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Using 2 wireless routers
Unfortunately the ISP asures me that I can't do that. I actually do not sue the video on demand at all so maybe I should just give it a go. Not sure how to find the log in details though? Is there a way to use the 2 routers separately? Heavy usage on my laptop for example stops the SB3 working. If I could get them working on independent networks (but each netowrk would have to acces the same computers / files) then I presume that would help. Prob best if I start a new thread for that though .. -- rbl rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45855 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Using 2 wireless routers
Millwood;288109 Wrote: As I understand it (an this stuff is all pretty mysterious to me) if you have both wireless systems on, they should have the same SSID and channel. No that would cause interference. When you run multiple AP's you use the SSID same name, but different channels on each AP. However if they are next to each other you should just turn the wireless off on your SpeedTouch router. Most routers have this ability under wireless settings. -- mvalera Michael Valera Online Communities Manager Logitech Streaming Media Systems slimdevices.com mvalera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11086 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45855 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Using 2 wireless routers
rbl;287833 Wrote: I have also tried plugging the LinkSys into the SpeedTouch, disabling DHCP server on the LinkSys, and ensuring they use different channels. Then I can connect to either the LinkSys or SpeedTouch. This is exactly what I did. The utterly craptastic 2wire residential gateway I got as part of my ATT Uverse service was almost as useless as the third-tier, super secret tech support agents I spoke with. I disabled the wireless portion of the 2wire modem, attached my Linksys wr45gl, and was good to go. I have also read that if you give both routers the same names and WEP encryption then you get a stronger signal. What is meant by this? Is there a best way to use two routers to reduce interference from neighbours / my laptop, and increase overall bandwidth? It is possible to set up two wireless routers (one as a router and one as an access point) on the same SSID but on different channels, to create a single network with better coverage. This isn't easy to do with the default firware on anyone's router, but if you have the open source Linksys there is third-party firware that makes this easy. I'd not recommend this route unless you're totally comfortable with networks and can tweak the settings to get this configuration working. Much easier to go down the simple route you've already started on and simply disable the wireless on the SpeedTouch to finish it. -= Jim -- JimC well, she wasn't all of that, but she sure was some of that. -- BKlaas' college buddy JimC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9428 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45855 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Using 2 wireless routers
So I have the SpeedTouch (a poor router) with DHCP enabled plugged into the telephone line, and the LinkSys LAN socket plugged into the SpeedTouch LAN socket, with DHCP server disabled on the LinkSys. The LinkSys and SpeedTouch have different SSIDs and channels, but the same WEP password. My desktop, running SlimServer, is hard wired into the LinkSys, and works. My Vista LapTop will happily connect to either the SpeedTouch or the LinkSys. My SB3 happily connects to the SpeedTouch. However the SB3 sees the LinkSys, but will not automatically obtain an IP address from the LinkSys. I want the SB3 to run form the LinkSys since this is the better router, and I continue to have drop out problems with the SpeedTouch (esp when running 2 sync'd SB3s). Any idea why everything else runs from the LinkSys but not the SB3? I have 2 SB3s and they are the same. -- rbl rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45855 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Using 2 wireless routers
As I understand it (an this stuff is all pretty mysterious to me) if you have both wireless systems on, they should have the same SSID and channel. -- Millwood Millwood's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3600 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45855 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Using 2 wireless routers
rbl;287833 Wrote: My ISP (which also has video on demand) obliges me to use their not very good modified SpeedTouch wireless router. Hi rbl How much have you tried to use your own LinkSys router? I suspect the ISP one is only using some QoS for the on demand data. If you configured your own router, it would just mean that your internet thru put would be slower for everything else requiring the internet at the time you were pulling down on demand data as it would try to use the whole bandwidth, rather than what is given to it via QoS. You should be able to just note the login settings down and put them into your LinkSys box and away you go. In the UK, BT provide their own router box but you can just use your own router without problems. No more than setting the username/pwd to be the same as the original router. Cheers -- cparker www.spicefly.com - Visit for an enhanced Interface for MusicIP and tips and tricks for integrating with Slimserver! cparker's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2083 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45855 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Using 2 wireless routers
My ISP (which also has video on demand) obliges me to use their not very good modified SpeedTouch wireless router. I also have a much better LinkSys WRT54GX wireless router. I find if I use the SpeedTouch then I get drop out on the wirelss SB3, presumably due to interference (there are a lot of other wireless signals around me, and if I connect the SB3 with a cable then I have no problems). Further if I copy large files between my laptop and desktop via the network then it causes more drop out on the SB3. I have tried changing channels to no avail. I have also tried plugging the LinkSys into the SpeedTouch, disabling DHCP server on the LinkSys, and ensuring they use different channels. Then I can connect to either the LinkSys or SpeedTouch. I have also read that if you give both routers the same names and WEP encryption then you get a stronger signal. What is meant by this? Is there a best way to use two routers to reduce interference from neighbours / my laptop, and increase overall bandwidth? -- rbl rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45855 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Using 2 wireless routers
Two ways. 1. Use the ISP router to talk only to the Linksys. Connect the Linksys wan port to one of the ISP output ports. (Configure the Linksys to a different ip address range - this may not be necessary - I'm not sure). Turn off the ISP wireless or use a different SSID (and channel if you like). Then have everything in the house talk to the Linksys. 2. Use the Linksys as an access point only. Turn off dhcp etc in the Linksys. Give it an address in the ISP range (e.g. 192.168.0.2). Set its channel and SSID to match the ISP. Then connect on of the Linksys lan ports, NOT the wan part, to an ISP router lan port. If you do this with a long cable, and depending on your situtation, you can place the Linksys near the action. -- Millwood Millwood's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3600 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45855 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Using 2 wireless routers
Thanks! Is there an advantage between the two? And is using 2 routers better than using just one (in terms of interference and bandwidth, not distance)? -- rbl rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45855 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Using 2 wireless routers
rbl;287833 Wrote: I have also read that if you give both routers the same names and WEP encryption then you get a stronger signal. Wifi doesn't work that way. What will happen is devices will tend to use the the stronger signal, which will likely be your Linksys. What you could do is exactly what you did.. disable the DHCP and NAT on the Linksys and connect your devices to that AP. You could also mostly eliminate the signal coming from the crappy ISP router by putting it inside some kind of GROUNDED steel container.. Maybe a couple cheap steel cooking bowls with a ground wire soldered onto them, and the ground wire attached to your mains ground. Put the AP inside the two bowls.. You'll have a nice simple 'Faraday Cage' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_cage). You also get the amusing conversations when people ask why there are wires coming out of the steel sphere in the corner. ;-) -- SuperQ SuperQ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45855 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Using 2 wireless routers
I can't tell you how to follow my suggestion below on your ISP router. But this is what I have done, and it may work for you. I have two Airport Extreme base stations, one set up as a remote (or is it a relay, I forget). To make sure that my Squeezebox connects only to the nearer one, I have MAC address filtering set on the further one, so that the Squeezebox is not permitted to connect to it. -- danco danco's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=210 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45855 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
