Re: [slim] does anyone still use squeezelite anymore instead of chromecast audio and if so why?

2016-09-19 Thread freelsjd

I have tried plex media server, and decided to just use it for photos,
movies, home movies, TV shows, but not the audio collection.  For the
audio collection, I am retaining my LMS.  It seems that plex is very
slow for larger collections by comparison to LMS.  Also, the LMS is much
more configurable to play at different rates and also adapt to remote
players direct to my server instead of through the plex server in the
cloud.  If plex could get a more efficient DB manager going, it could
probably beat out the LMS.

You can still cast by using a squeeze player on the android phone and
cast it to the chrome cast.  I have both a roku and CC.  roku and it's
remote seem to have more apps than the CC, but most of it is junk. There
are some very unique apps on the roku that are very interesting for the
individual taste (for example, old TV shows, movies, etc.).

Logitech missed the boat when they did not expand the LMS to include
movies, photos, TV shows, etc.  The LMS is still hands down the best
audio server I have seen; and combined with the squeezebox, it was one
heck of a system.  Too bad.

Plex is pretty awesome with the Roku.  I have pitched in for the
lifetime membership and I am 61.



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Re: [slim] does anyone still use squeezelite anymore instead of chromecast audio and if so why?

2016-09-18 Thread Candlemass

No gapless playback and no ReplayGain support is a no go for me.



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Re: [slim] does anyone still use squeezelite anymore instead of chromecast audio and if so why?

2016-09-18 Thread philippe_44

If ultimately a slimproto receiver could be build, that would be a much
cleaner solution that my bridge. Or if not, I hope they will release
their sync proto one day!


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Re: [slim] does anyone still use squeezelite anymore instead of chromecast audio and if so why?

2016-09-16 Thread bpa

philippe_44 wrote: 
> Understood - personally, my main objective would be synchronization and
> I got the semi-official answer from a Google person that they will not
> release their protocol, so no CCA synchro, no Sonos synchro :(
I've lookedinto creating a custom receiver and have coded up a slimproto
in Javascript but I tried many diferent receiver based methods to get
gapless and couldn't do it but it is a generic web audio/mse//html5
issue. However since it is a generic html5 type issue there is a wider
javascript base of users who want gapless audio and so it may appear but
it is normally the browser developers (e.g. MS, Google, Apple, OPera)
who take the initiative.

As an aside - a recent update to my chromecast Sony wireless portable
speaker has enabled sync with CCAs.  Perhaps Google is being serious
with CC to rival Airplay.



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Re: [slim] does anyone still use squeezelite anymore instead of chromecast audio and if so why?

2016-09-15 Thread philippe_44

bpa wrote: 
> Possible but only by using MSE which was created to support chunked http
> such as HLS & DASH - lots of small http 6 secs audio files which have to
> be played gapless. However MSE does not support any lossless codecs and
> IIRC only a select few lossy ones such as AAC.

Understood - personally, my main objective would be synchronization and
I got the semi-official answer from a Google person that they will not
release their protocol, so no CCA synchro, no Sonos synchro :(



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JRiver 21, Chromecast Audio, Chromecast v1, Pi B2, Pi B+, 2xPi A+,
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Re: [slim] does anyone still use squeezelite anymore instead of chromecast audio and if so why?

2016-09-15 Thread bpa

philippe_44 wrote: 
> It might also be possible to write a custom receiver that does the same,
> that I don't know, but the built-in receiver does not allow that (or at
> least there is nothing documented).

Possible but only by using MSE which was created to support chunked http
such as HLS & DASH - lots of small http 6 secs audio files which have to
be played gapless. However MSE does not support any lossless codecs and
IIRC only a select few lossy ones such as AAC.



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Re: [slim] does anyone still use squeezelite anymore instead of chromecast audio and if so why?

2016-09-15 Thread dangerusty

My primary reason for not switching is that I want an AirPlay option,
and Squeezelite + Shairtunes plugin works for that.

Secondary reason is cost. Even though they are only $30-ish, I have 8
zones running that only cost $7/each for USB soundcards. That's $56 I
won't get back, plus the $240 for chromecast audios.

I must say, sync is awful with squeezelite, so I don't even use it. I
have two zones that are next to each other, so I just won't use them
both at once.

On the other hand, my setup is irritatingly unstable. Dedicated hardware
that people say works perfectly sounds pretty nice for $240 (compared to
Sonos). For the airplay requirement, I could always get the $20 airplay
receivers on amazon and use a splitter with the chromecast audio.



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Re: [slim] does anyone still use squeezelite anymore instead of chromecast audio and if so why?

2016-09-14 Thread RSJ

For several reasons, First one app controls all my music sources and all
my players easily, my preference is Squeezcommander. I have music on a
NAS and several music subscription that I  switch between regularly.
Second  you just can't touch the coolness of a Raspberry Pi, a
touchscreen and a Hifiberry amp  mounted in the wall feeding ceiling or
bookshelf speakers. Thirdly the DIY element and the versatility. When
you run SB on a Raspberry pi with the Hifiberry amp the possibility is
only limited by your imagination. Using it with an amp board and a
speaker kit from Parts Express is beyond cool.  As far as
synchronization goes I found the problem to be with the shortcomings of
wi-fi and interference rather than SB and the hardware. My experience
was that when a particular wireless player had network interference or
the signal strength dropped for whatever reason all the players had to
re-synchronize causing the music to cut out.  I solved this problem by
making all my players wired. I can happily stream Spotify through my
whole using 5 Logitech Receivers, 1 Logitech Boom, 1 Logitech Radio and
3 Raspberry Pi/Hifiberry amp s. I can play the same thing flawlessly on
all them or go in the garage and play my favorite album.

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Re: [slim] does anyone still use squeezelite anymore instead of chromecast audio and if so why?

2016-09-14 Thread philippe_44

ashleyw wrote: 
> it looks like there is an interesting thread about this and according to
> google the device itself is actually capable of gapless playback but the
> app needs to support it - I can't confirm myself which apps have been
> modified (at one stage it was google music and Spotify, but the last
> comment said this feature was broken with a release of CCA firmware) -
> it's hard to read the truth in that forum posting;
> https://code.google.com/p/google-cast-sdk/issues/detail?id=745
> 
> In terms of volume equalisation, right now all my listening comes from
> Spotify streaming and tunein (as I haven't had the time to re-rip my old
> CDs into FLAC), Spotify themselves have an option to equalise the
> volumes of their tracks, meaning this is a non issue for me - so taking
> everything into account, the chormecast audio still wins the day for me
> - it's a far simpler, modern and cheaper solution that really does work
> well (at-least for me). All my playlists currently refer to Spotify
> tracks.
> 
> thanks for your comments - i guess i was always a lightweight
> squeezelite user and the two features that i really wanted (multi room
> audio sync and native Spotify app integration), either weren't available
> or didn't work consistently (especially the sync on wired and/or
> wireless).
> 
> I'm going to pull out the hifiberry daughter board on one of the rpis
> and re-purpose it as a Home Assistant server; https://home-assistant.io/

I think the confusion with gapless is that you can actually "fake"
gapless with a CCA and the default receiver application by aggregating
tracks "on the fly" while sending them to the device. Typically, in my
ChromeCast bridge, I could uncompress all to PCM and then send the
result as a very long stream - that would give gapless, replaygain, fade
in/out etc ... this is what I do with the AirPlay bridge. But in CCA
that would prevent proper metadata update and make the display
synchronization with LMS (what track is being played and at what
position) very complicated.

Some uPnP players can do gapless because the controler can send data for
two tracks at the same time: the current one and the next one and the
player automatically switches. It might also be possible to write a
custom receiver that does the same, that I don't know, but the built-in
receiver does not allow that (or at least there is nothing documented).



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JRiver 21, Chromecast Audio, Chromecast v1, Pi B2, Pi B+, 2xPi A+,
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Re: [slim] does anyone still use squeezelite anymore instead of chromecast audio and if so why?

2016-09-14 Thread ashleyw

it looks like there is an interesting thread about this and according to
google the device itself is actually capable of gapless playback but the
app needs to support it - I can't confirm myself which apps have been
modified (at one stage it was google music and Spotify, but the last
comment said this feature was broken with a release of CCA firmware) -
it's hard to read the truth in that forum posting;
https://code.google.com/p/google-cast-sdk/issues/detail?id=745

In terms of volume equalisation, right now all my listening comes from
Spotify streaming and tunein (as I haven't had the time to re-rip my old
CDs into FLAC), Spotify themselves have an option to equalise the
volumes of their tracks, meaning this is a non issue for me - so taking
everything into account, the chormecast audio still wins the day for me
- it's a far simpler, modern and cheaper solution that really does work
well (at-least for me). All my playlists currently refer to Spotify
tracks.

thanks for your comments - i guess i was always a lightweight
squeezelite user and the two features that i really wanted (multi room
audio sync and native Spotify app integration), either weren't available
or didn't work consistently (especially the sync on wired and/or
wireless).

I'm going to pull out the hifiberry daughter board on one of the rpis
and re-purpose it as a Home Assistant server; https://home-assistant.io/



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Re: [slim] does anyone still use squeezelite anymore instead of chromecast audio and if so why?

2016-09-14 Thread bpa

verypsb wrote: 
> No gapless playback? How can this be true? No gapless playback = no go.

CC uses Web Audio and gapless is not possible with webaudio as each
"file" will be separate http request.



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Re: [slim] does anyone still use squeezelite anymore instead of chromecast audio and if so why?

2016-09-14 Thread verypsb

malaugh wrote: 
> I have heard that CC-audio does not support gapless playback.  Is this
> true?
> 
> That would be the deal killer for me.

No gapless playback? How can this be true? No gapless playback = no go.

Dennis.



::Please vote:::
'::bug 1330:: New music should work on creation date'
(http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1330)
'::bug 17963:: New and changed doesn't handle changed files '
(http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17963)
'::bug 17799:: Use a separator such as 'Also appears on' when viewing
the albums by an artist'
(http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17799)
'::bug 18054:: Add support for 'Set Subtitle'/'Disc Subtitle' (ID3v2.4
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Re: [slim] does anyone still use squeezelite anymore instead of chromecast audio and if so why?

2016-09-14 Thread ModelCitizen

Lack of ReplayGain is a complete deal breaker for me and I am surprised
it is not the same for most here. Do people not use playlists or
random/smart play?



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Re: [slim] does anyone still use squeezelite anymore instead of chromecast audio and if so why?

2016-09-13 Thread philippe_44

malaugh wrote: 
> I have heard that CC-audio does not support gapless playback.  Is this
> true?
> 
> That would be the deal killer for me.  I do not care about high bit rate
> (mainly play mp3) but play a lot of live albums.

This is correct



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Re: [slim] does anyone still use squeezelite anymore instead of chromecast audio and if so why?

2016-09-13 Thread malaugh

I have heard that CC-audio does not support gapless playback.  Is this
true?

That would be the deal killer for me.  I do not care about high bit rate
(mainly play mp3) but play a lot of live albums.



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Re: [slim] does anyone still use squeezelite anymore instead of chromecast audio and if so why?

2016-09-13 Thread cdmackay

philippe_44 wrote: 
> One thing that my bridge cannot do is synchronization between CC and SB
> devices (I could only do that between AirPlay and SB devices). So that's
> a big limitation and it seems that Google is not willing to disclose
> their sync protocol, so I cannot implement it.

important point, thanks much Philippe.



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Re: [slim] does anyone still use squeezelite anymore instead of chromecast audio and if so why?

2016-09-13 Thread callesoroe

ashleyw wrote: 
> hey guys, for several years I was running RPI2s with hifiberry cards in
> them for syncd multi room using squeezelite primarily with Triodes
> Spotify plugin - the sync was never that great.
> Fro the last 4 months I've been running 9 x Chromecast audio - they work
> brilliantly and the integration into android is slick (along with the
> setup) and audio quality is brilliant. The sync over wifi is 100%, and
> it's trivial to group/re group audio zones etc, there are no audio drop
> outs at all. I must say I haven't looked back at all and even my family
> can operate the Chromecast audios so WAF is good (and CCs are cheap).
> 
> With things like Plex (for local music libraries) supporting audio cast,
> what is the use case for the squeezebox ecosystem any more (just
> checking before I sell all my RPIs in case I've missed something).
> 
> any thoughts?

Have to Transporters. Sounds much better than CC. Dynamic playlists,
rating, replay gain, lastmix plugin combined with local music and Tidal
. A few good reasons...



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Vista speakers, AMPS(Icepower): Acoustic Reality Ear Enigma
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Bedroom: Receiver+UE boombox, Kids: Receiver+Active speakers, Office:
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Re: [slim] does anyone still use squeezelite anymore instead of chromecast audio and if so why?

2016-09-12 Thread philippe_44

cdmackay wrote: 
> There's a Squeeze–CC plugin isn't there? I see the thread, although I've
> yet to try it.
> 
> Given that, I would rather use my CCs that way, with server software
> with which I am familiar, rather than start again with e.g. Plex.
> 
> All depends on how good the Squeeze–CC hookup is.

One thing the my bridge cannot do is synchronization between CC and SB
devices (I could only do that between AirPlay and SB devices). So that's
a big limitation and it seems that Google is not willing to disclose
their sync protocol, so I cannot implement it.



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Re: [slim] does anyone still use squeezelite anymore instead of chromecast audio and if so why?

2016-09-12 Thread ashleyw

it appears that the dac in the choromecast audio is 24/192 but the
chromecast audio can only go up to 24/96 in its current form;.
For its price though nothing touches it (including the pi) - this seems
quite interesting;
http://archimago.blogspot.co.nz/2016/02/measurements-google-chromecast-audio.html

My two main listening areas have Onkyo amps in now with chromecast
audios in, there are another 7 zones so I can utilise various old kids
powered speakers for kids bedrooms. Our outside zones have chromecast
audios feeding cheap and cheerful amps driving outside speakers under
the eaves of the house
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Breeze-Audio-TPA3116-HiFi-2-0-Audio-Stereo-Digital-Power-Amplifier-Advanced-50W-50W-Sound-good/32664243769.html

I use Plex for all my bluray rips already so it makes sense for me to
use this for music as well (to supplement the streaming services).

The big plus point for the CC audio is that its a simple device that
just works - there is no trickery required - and the sync is absolutely
perfect. all 9 zones are in earshot of each other and there is no drift
whatsoever - something i was never able to achieve on Squeezelite/LMS
despite spending hours and hours of trying. The family really love it.

What is missing is someone to hack a squeezebox style portable radio
together using a chromecast audio inside and an old 4 inch touch screen
device and package it up to look like nice.



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Re: [slim] does anyone still use squeezelite anymore instead of chromecast audio and if so why?

2016-09-12 Thread d6jg

bpa wrote: 
> If you really want a CC can be wired with a USB ethernet adapter and Y
> cable or use Google own
> https://store.google.com/product/ethernet_adapter_for_chromecast

Didn't know that ! 
The Google ethernet adpater looks interesting. Would be even better if
it was a homeplug though!

I do have a CCA but I don't use it in preference to a wired (homeplug)
Pi + DAC



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Re: [slim] does anyone still use squeezelite anymore instead of chromecast audio and if so why?

2016-09-12 Thread bpa

d6jg wrote: 
> Another consideration is that the CC is wireless only 
If you really want a CC can be wired with a USB ethernet adapter and Y
cable.



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Re: [slim] does anyone still use squeezelite anymore instead of chromecast audio and if so why?

2016-09-12 Thread d6jg

Giza2020 wrote: 
> I've never had the sync issues you've reported so the pi hifiberry and
> existing squeeze hardware I have all work well together...I have a cc in
> the set up but it's pretty much standalone in a room rarely used but
> I've got the cast bridge set.up on it so using it as a mixture of a
> chromecast and squeezlite player.
> 
> I also use hifiberry amp+ so no need for the extra amp that a cc
> needs...so can be hidden in ceiling :-)
> 
> If I had no squeeze hardware and was starting afresh I might have looked
> cc with active speakers in ceilings but as is I find the pi set.up.to be
> the one that integrates into the squeeze eco system the best...the cc
> doesn't and one reason is it cannot be synchronised with non cc
> players.
> 
> 
> If I had no hardware

Another consideration is that the CC is wireless only whereas a Pi can
be wired or wireless. I have all my players wired with the exception of
iPeng



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Re: [slim] does anyone still use squeezelite anymore instead of chromecast audio and if so why?

2016-09-12 Thread Giza2020

I've never had the sync issues you've reported so the pi hifiberry and
existing squeeze hardware I have all work well together...I have a cc in
the set up but it's pretty much standalone in a room rarely used but
I've got the cast bridge set.up on it so using it as a mixture of a
chromecast and squeezlite player.

I also use hifiberry amp+ so no need for the extra amp that a cc
needs...so can be hidden in ceiling :-)

If I had no squeeze hardware and was starting afresh I might have looked
cc with active speakers in ceilings but as is I find the pi set.up.to be
the one that integrates into the squeeze eco system the best...the cc
doesn't and one reason is it cannot be synchronised with non cc
players.


If I had no hardware



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Re: [slim] does anyone still use squeezelite anymore instead of chromecast audio and if so why?

2016-09-12 Thread d6jg

ashleyw wrote: 
> hey guys, for several years I was running RPI2s with hifiberry cards in
> them for syncd multi room using squeezelite primarily with Triodes
> Spotify plugin - the sync was never that great.
> Fro the last 4 months I've been running 9 x Chromecast audio - they work
> brilliantly and the integration into android is slick (along with the
> setup) and audio quality is brilliant. The sync over wifi is 100%, and
> it's trivial to group/re group audio zones etc, there are no audio drop
> outs at all. I must say I haven't looked back at all and even my family
> can operate the Chromecast audios so WAF is good (and CCs are cheap).
> 
> With things like Plex (for local music libraries) supporting audio cast,
> what is the use case for the squeezebox ecosystem any more (just
> checking before I sell all my RPIs in case I've missed something).
> 
> any thoughts?

Chromecast can't play 24/192 can it ? Whereas a Pi & HiFiberry DAC can.
I agree about the sync though.



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Re: [slim] does anyone still use squeezelite anymore instead of chromecast audio and if so why?

2016-09-11 Thread cdmackay

There's a Squeeze–CC plugin isn't there? I see the thread, although I've
yet to try it.

Given that, I would rather use my CCs that way, with server software
with which I am familiar, rather than start again with e.g. Plex.

All depends on how good the Squeeze–CC hookup is.



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[slim] does anyone still use squeezelite anymore instead of chromecast audio and if so why?

2016-09-11 Thread ashleyw

hey guys, for several years I was running RPI2s with hifiberry cards in
them for syncd multi room using squeezelite primarily with Triodes
Spotify plugin - the sync was never that great.
Fro the last 4 months I've been running 9 x Chromecast audio - they work
brilliantly and the integration into android is slick (along with the
setup) and audio quality is brilliant. The sync over wifi is 100%, and
it's trivial to group/re group audio zones etc, there are no audio drop
outs at all. I must say I haven't looked back at all and even my family
can operate the Chromecast audios so WAF is good (and CCs are cheap).

With things like Plex (for local music libraries) supporting audio cast,
what is the use case for the squeezebox ecosystem any more (just
checking before I sell all my RPIs in case I've missed something).

any thoughts?



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