Re: [slim] Linux box to stream music, interface look familiar?
On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:16:49 -0800, Pbox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The point I was going to make, excatly. > > However there is one more thing to note. Linspire also releases their > code under GPL. So it is a give and take. > > Slimserver guys should take a note of the lsongs application. > > http://mp3beamer.com/ss_lsongs-syncing.html > > This would make a pretty nice itunes replacement, and could be easily > bundled with slimserver. Even if the porting needs to get done onto > Windows and OSX we are still talking about getting a gigantic bunch of > work for free. What does it use for its audio backend? This sounds crazy - but other than mplayer (only for ripping DVD audio, which I probably could do with gstreamer if I was willing to play with the pipes) I personally (note the personally) refuse to use any multimedia app for playing that does not use a gstreamer backend. OK, sox is another exception. The reason is because I think in many ways, LotD (my passion) is too fragmented - there's mplayer, xine, gstreamer, and apps that use their own. I think gstreamer is technically the best, and if focus is put there - we can get better apps. slimserver is different, I don't expect them to use gstreamer because perl bindings don't exist yet (and python bindings are still fairly new), and slimserver is expected to run on a host of operating systems - some of which either do not have gstreamer or have it but use a different multimedia backend. I guess what I'm saying - I would rather see an app like Rhythmbox and AmoroK get that functionallity than see a new app - yet another jukebox player ... if it uses gstreamer, then I'm all for it. GStreamer is nice because you add a plugin (which can be closed, it's libraries are lgpl) and lots of apps now have support for the new codec - that's the way it should be. But I guess I'm going off topic a wee bit. -- http://mpeters.us/ ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Linux box to stream music, interface look familiar?
The point I was going to make, excatly. However there is one more thing to note. Linspire also releases their code under GPL. So it is a give and take. Slimserver guys should take a note of the lsongs application. http://mp3beamer.com/ss_lsongs-syncing.html This would make a pretty nice itunes replacement, and could be easily bundled with slimserver. Even if the porting needs to get done onto Windows and OSX we are still talking about getting a gigantic bunch of work for free. Something to chew on, I guess. Peter Marc Sherman wrote: Michael Peters wrote: GPL gives them the right to do what they are doing, so long as they follow the rules. Wether they contribute patches back or not is not necessary, any code worth having will make its way back simply because they have to comply with GPL themselves. They aren't using a stolen project, GPL was written specifically to allow software to be sold. For slim it sells hardware, for this group that's primarily what it is doing as well. This bears repeating. Not only are they not stealing, they're not even being unethical. By choosing to release software under the GPL, Slim Devices chose for this sort of thing to be allowed. It's the nature of Free Software. Free Software is _not_ about anyone's right to get software without paying for it -- it's about your rights to make software that you already have do what you need it to do, and your rights to redistribute those changes. While they don't mention the GPL anywhere on their site, they are not required to, and I'm sure that the download does contain the required GPL notices, which inform any buyer of their rights to obtain and redistribute the source code. - Marc ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Linux box to stream music, interface look familiar?
Michael Peters wrote: GPL gives them the right to do what they are doing, so long as they follow the rules. Wether they contribute patches back or not is not necessary, any code worth having will make its way back simply because they have to comply with GPL themselves. They aren't using a stolen project, GPL was written specifically to allow software to be sold. For slim it sells hardware, for this group that's primarily what it is doing as well. This bears repeating. Not only are they not stealing, they're not even being unethical. By choosing to release software under the GPL, Slim Devices chose for this sort of thing to be allowed. It's the nature of Free Software. Free Software is _not_ about anyone's right to get software without paying for it -- it's about your rights to make software that you already have do what you need it to do, and your rights to redistribute those changes. While they don't mention the GPL anywhere on their site, they are not required to, and I'm sure that the download does contain the required GPL notices, which inform any buyer of their rights to obtain and redistribute the source code. - Marc ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Linux box to stream music, interface look familiar?
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:21:21 -0800, Dave Owen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > One more note: you'd think they would have included the SqueezeBox in > the list of recommended players for feeding your stereo, but they left > out both SqueezeBox and Roku. Hmm, think they don't want their customers > reading about those products using SlimServer for free? I think some people are reading too much into this. This company is from the same CEO that started Lindows, which I did not particularly like as a distro - but DID in fact give back to the open source community, and continues to do so (they released a very good WYSIWYG html editor, for example - that you can get the source to without needing to buy their product) GPL gives them the right to do what they are doing, so long as they follow the rules. Wether they contribute patches back or not is not necessary, any code worth having will make its way back simply because they have to comply with GPL themselves. They aren't using a stolen project, GPL was written specifically to allow software to be sold. For slim it sells hardware, for this group that's primarily what it is doing as well. Yes, it would be nice if they stated it was based on slimserver. Maybe they don't because some of their changes break squeezebox compatability? Maybe not, I don't know (I doubt it if the java thing works) But anyway - the software is licensed under GPL, so what they are doing at least appears to be in spirit of GPL - and what I have seen from the CEO - his products never interest me personally, but the companies do give back to the community. If it works with squeezebox, a free plug would be nice to the developers of slimserver. That is true, and hopefully that will come. -- http://mpeters.us/ ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] Linux box to stream music, interface look familiar?
Not to harp on the same old string, but I just posted this in the MP3Beamer forum that the MP3Beamer site points to, which is hosted on the Linspire site: - - - - - I currently own a copy of Linspire and have it running on a machine successfully, so I have no desire to buy MP3Beamer's software package (which comes with another copy of Linspire). I'd rather just get the rest of the software. I have looked at screenshots of the application in action, and read the description of the software's capabilities (the back end, not the syncing software) and it appears to be based on SlimServer, which is freely available. Is this accurate? Also, if so, does anyone know what enhancements (other than syncing, branding and easy Linspire installation) have been made? - - - - - Hopefully someone will provide a straight answer, and we'll all be better informed. :) (fwiw, I actually do have a copy of Linspire that I purchased running on one of my machines -- and I would consider purchasing their software if it came chock-full of useful enhancements. Here's hoping -- and hoping that if it does, they'll roll it back to the main branch of SlimServer.) Also worth noting: they display your email address in this forum, and there's no way to turn it off! Really, really annoying. :( ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] Linux box to stream music, interface look familiar?
One more note: you'd think they would have included the SqueezeBox in the list of recommended players for feeding your stereo, but they left out both SqueezeBox and Roku. Hmm, think they don't want their customers reading about those products using SlimServer for free? ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] Linux box to stream music, interface look familiar?
Incidentally, I just emailed the folks at LinuxDevices suggesting that they would be doing their readers a service by noting that the MP3Beamer software appears to be based on SlimServer, a GPLd project available for free (after validating it with the MP3Tunes people, of course). :) ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Linux box to stream music, interface look familiar?
Michael Herger wrote: ...and have a look at the "Java interface". They did not even change the name on the screenshot... http://www.mp3beamer.com/ss_java.html wow! my original softsqueeze interface. I did a big comedy double-take when I clicked that link ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] Linux box to stream music, interface look familiar?
So, probably a few things to do here: #1: someone should set up a web page (linked from SlimDevices.com, so it hits the search engines quickly) that talks about this product by name and how it is based on SlimServer, which is freely available. Hopefully some of the consumers that are considering the software-only purchase and do a bit of research will find the page and realize they might be wasting money. #2: someone should ask them if the source is included with purchase, since "it's just a reskin of SlimServer anyway". Either they'll deny it, acknowledge it, or ignore it -- but we need to know which before action can be taken or judgement can be made. I will say this: hopefully they'll use the resources to improve it, then release the improvements back to the SlimServer project. After all, that's what this whole GPL thing is all about. :) ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Linux box to stream music, interface look familiar?
I didn't even notice the softsqueeze string in that screenshot originally! Geez, pretty crappy to do that without giving credit where credit is due. On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 23:40:41 +0100, Walter Wullschleger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ... it definitively looks like slimserver. check this out > http://www.mp3beamer.com/ss_mp3beamer.html and softsqueeze screenshot on > their product page http://www.mp3beamer.com/ss_java.html > > it seems that MP3Beamer is using slimserver as the core streaming > server. Even port 9000 is used. I did not find any hint or link to > slimserver and slimserver is not mentioned on their page. Is that allowed? > > Walt > > Michael Alletto wrote: > > >http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4933903950.html > > > >Scroll down to the pictures of the web interface. Does it look like > >slimserver to anyone else? And they are charging $70 for the software > >only. If they are really using slimserver but modified can they > >really charge for it? > >___ > >Discuss mailing list > >Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com > >http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss > > > > > > > > > > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com > http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss > ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Linux box to stream music, interface look familiar?
... it definitively looks like slimserver. check this out http://www.mp3beamer.com/ss_mp3beamer.html and softsqueeze screenshot on their product page http://www.mp3beamer.com/ss_java.html it seems that MP3Beamer is using slimserver as the core streaming server. Even port 9000 is used. I did not find any hint or link to slimserver and slimserver is not mentioned on their page. Is that allowed? Walt Michael Alletto wrote: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4933903950.html Scroll down to the pictures of the web interface. Does it look like slimserver to anyone else? And they are charging $70 for the software only. If they are really using slimserver but modified can they really charge for it? ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Linux box to stream music, interface look familiar?
I think if they are distributing the code outside their organization (whether selling it or allowing download), they have to make their source available upon request (by anyone). Even if they only have to make it available to customers, it must be supplied under the GPL, which would allow those customers to pass it on. So if they actually made any useful modifications to slimserver, we can all benefit from them regardless of whether we are customers. > I think they only have available to make it available to those that > they have distributed the product to (customers), but I'm not > positive. > ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Linux box to stream music, interface look familiar?
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 14:31:00 -0800, kdf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I dont think GPL really stops anyone from taking and selling. It does, > however, > require source be available for download on request. > I think they only have available to make it available to those that they have distributed the product to (customers), but I'm not positive. -- http://mpeters.us/ ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Linux box to stream music, interface look familiar?
Quoting Michael Herger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 16:19:28 -0600, Michael Alletto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4933903950.html > > > > Scroll down to the pictures of the web interface. Does it look like > > slimserver to anyone else? And they are charging $70 for the software > > only. If they are really using slimserver but modified can they > > really charge for it? > > ...and have a look at the "Java interface". They did not even change the > name on the screenshot... > http://www.mp3beamer.com/ss_java.html > I dont think GPL really stops anyone from taking and selling. It does, however, require source be available for download on request. -kdf ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Linux box to stream music, interface look familiar?
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 16:19:28 -0600, Michael Alletto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4933903950.html > > Scroll down to the pictures of the web interface. Does it look like > slimserver to anyone else? And they are charging $70 for the software > only. If they are really using slimserver but modified can they > really charge for it? Yes - if they provide the source to their customers (which they do if it is perl) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ rpm -qi slimserver |grep "License" Size: 21244838 License: GPL [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ That means anyone can modify it (or not) and sell it - as long as they comply with the GPL - which means they make the source available to anyone they distribute it to. -- http://mpeters.us/ ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Linux box to stream music, interface look familiar?
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 16:19:28 -0600, Michael Alletto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4933903950.html Scroll down to the pictures of the web interface. Does it look like slimserver to anyone else? And they are charging $70 for the software only. If they are really using slimserver but modified can they really charge for it? ...and have a look at the "Java interface". They did not even change the name on the screenshot... http://www.mp3beamer.com/ss_java.html -- Michael --- Help translate SlimServer by using the SlimString Translation Helper (http://www.herger.net/slim/) ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
