Re: [slim] Basic Squeezbox Facts.....?
loosetooth;574051 Wrote: Okay I am sure that the regulars get absolutely sick of people like me... I am a newbie to the world of Squeezebox. I have wanted one for ages. The dream was always to get some NAS turn my CDs into Lossless files and then connect (via wireless) my Squeezebox to the NAS and way-hey! Well the first step was always to buy the NAS and turn the CDs into Lossless files. I can then carboot the CDs and save for a Squeezebox. So I have. The best value NAS that I could get was a 4tb BlackArmor NAS 220. Specifications: I wanted to link to the specs but I am not allowed... Now having got the NAS I have begun to think about the Squeezebox end and it is now that I discover about the Squeezebox Server. Thinking logically perhaps I should have realised that cars do not run on fairy dust and Squeezebox will need some software to order and access massive memory files on NAS. SBS can run on Windows Home Server and Netgear's ReadyNAS... but not the Seagate. Can I make it run (without having a puter turned on)? How? What is it going to cost, perhaps I should sell my shiny new NAS and buy Netgear NAS (expensive)? HELP PLASE! Back to your original query... Wow! Do you really need 4TB? If not, and you can sell your shiny new NAS at not too much of a loss (presumably you have the original packaging) you could buy the Synology DS109 for about £160 (street price) and a 2TB drive for £90, total £250. Synology provide a free SBS installation file which is just a couple of clicks to install and works fine in my setup. A readynas Duo with 2x2TB disks (if you DIY) will cost you around £315+PP (Dabs) but I would dispute the need for a two drive unit in a domestic environment. No need to go RAID as long as you have a backup strategy, so no need for a 2 disk machine (unless you need the full 4TB). If you do need 4TB then the advice to go the SheevaPlug route is sound. -- TheLastMan Matt *SqueezeBoxes:* SB Duet (Controller + two receivers) *Server:* Synology Diskstation 107+ NAS (with firmware 2.3-1157) running Squeezebox Server 7.5.0 on Synology Package Manager *Network:* Netgear DG834GT ADSL modem/router, 2 x Buffalo WHR-HP-G54 as access points *Livingroom:* Receiver into Naim 42/110 amp, BW CM2 speakers *Kitchen:* Receiver into Denon DM37 mini-system, BW 686 speakers *Study:* Linn LP12, Naim 72/Hi-cap/Headline. LPs ripped usingBehringer UCA202 USB into Windows XP PC TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81713 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Basic Squeezbox Facts.....?
JerryS;575319 Wrote: I think I agree with that view. My intention was to donate my CDs to a charity shop after I had ripped them. Thinking about this further however, if someone buys them in the charity shop at a discounted rate, they will not be buying them from the record company, and therefore the artists will not be receiving their royalty payments. So, I am giving someone else's money to charity without their permission. Interesting dilemna isn't it? It is an odd proposition. I wholeheartedy am against copyright theft - I work in publishing and IP is at the heart of our business - I struggle to stop my 13 yearold daughter downloading films, or watching US programmes before they are released here ... However my fine upstanding model citizen mother, when I explained the concept of my Squeezeboxes to her, and showed her my CDs all neatly stacjed in a cupboard out of the reach of children (see here for why :) http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=10278d=1279029857) immediately suggested that I give them to a charity shop, and throught my explanation of the reasoning why not was rubbish ... At some point our copyright laws and/ or music distribution needs to catch up with current usage. I buy physical CDs (often second hand) as it is the most efficient way to get high bit rate music... but I don't necessarily want to buy things that I rip once then need to archive, which itself is legally dubious ... -- JonWill Main system: SB Classic, Musical Fidlity A1, Mission 733i speakers SB Classic into old JVC microsystem (next thing on list to upgrade!) SB Boom, Logitech Z4 subwoofer SB Radio SB Server 7.5.1 (SSODS4) running on a Synology DS210J NAS iPeng on iPhone 3GS JonWill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20259 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81713 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Loosetooth your absolutely right. The more laws brought in the more likely it is that we are all eventually criminalised. Our last government went law happy here. -- jimascroft jimascroft's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10406 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81713 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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loosetooth;574220 Wrote: Okay well lets be clear. I am not talking about the buying of new CDs and turning them into FLAC and selling the originals on... it is a bit of a hassle. From now I will buy FLACs from Napster or some such alternative What we are talking about is the turning my present CDs (from the last 20 years) into FLACs and selling them. Is it illegal? Probably. But then it is legal to hang a Welshman in Worcester if you find him within the old walls and it is after midnight not all law is particularly sensible or adherred to. I feel no moral compunction to adhere to the law of destroying Radiohead's OK Computer after I have changed into a FLAC... I will sell it for £2-4 at a carboot and if that makes me a criminal then so be it. Not sure about the Welshman in Worcester - I can see the logic in it, but... Anyway, it is definitely illegal in almost all countries. However, I'd say the chance of detection punishment is effectively nil. I think that Radiohead CD's should be destroyed anyway, but that's just me :-) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81713 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Basic Squeezbox Facts.....?
You can try to rationalize it by drawing imaginary lines between what you are proposing and illegal downloads (post #6), or buying new CDs and selling them after converting them to FLAC (post #9). But none is a more virtuous form of copyright infringement than the other. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81713 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Basic Squeezbox Facts.....?
aubuti;575285 Wrote: You can try to rationalize it by drawing imaginary lines between what you are proposing (selling old CDs) and illegal downloads (post #6), or buying new CDs and selling them after converting them to FLAC (post #9). But none is a more virtuous form of copyright infringement than the other. I think I agree with that view. My intention was to donate my CDs to a charity shop after I had ripped them. Thinking about this further however, if someone buys them in the charity shop at a discounted rate, they will not be buying them from the record company, and therefore the artists will not be receiving their royalty payments. So, I am giving someone else's money to charity without their permission. Interesting dilemna isn't it? -- JerryS JerryS's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38998 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81713 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Basic Squeezbox Facts.....?
Okay well lets be clear. I am not talking about the buying of new CDs and turning them into FLAC and selling the originals on... it is a bit of a hassle. From now I will buy FLACs from Napster or some such alternative What we are talking about is the turning my present CDs (from the last 20 years) into FLACs and selling them. Is it illegal? Probably. But then it is legal to hang a Welshman in Worcester if you find him within the old walls and it is after midnight not all law is particularly sensible or adherred to. I feel no moral compunction to adhere to the law of destroying Radiohead's OK Computer after I have changed into a FLAC... I will sell it for £2-4 at a carboot and if that makes me a criminal then so be it. -- loosetooth loosetooth's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40286 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81713 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Basic Squeezbox Facts.....?
Welcome to the squeezebox tribe. There is actually a dedicated forum for 3rd party hardware including NAS. http://forums.slimdevices.com/forumdisplay.php?f=18 Also, here is a link to a beginers guide http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Beginners_Guide_To_Servers#NAS_Devices and list of compatable NAS http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/NAS_Compatibility I dont run a NAS so other than the links, im afraid im not much help -- goody goody's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22405 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81713 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Basic Squeezbox Facts.....?
If you want a cheap platform for SBS you could consider going along the SheevaPlug route. Look in the 3rd party hardware forum for lots of info. You could run this alongside your NAS. You will probably find this to be a less painful route than trying to get your NAS to run SBS (I have no experience but my impression is that even compatible NASes sometimes have performance problems). Meanwhile you keep your NAS to do the job it is good at. -- Zoltan Zoltan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9998 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81713 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Basic Squeezbox Facts.....?
H the compatible devices list is an eye opener and one thing that I should have seen before I went a NAS hunting... It does look as though the SheevaPlug is the way forward, but it is a pity because I paid about £260 for the Nas the SheevaPlug will come in at about £100 I am sure for £360 I could have gotten a Netgear ReadyNas Duo and 2 x 2tb disks -- loosetooth loosetooth's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40286 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81713 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Hi, In article loosetooth.4gq4bz1283535...@no-mx.forums.slimdevices.com, loosetoothloosetooth.4gq4bz1283535...@no-mx.forums.slimdevices.com wrote: I can then carboot the CDs and save for a Squeezebox. Not sure on the legality of that personally... Andy ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Okay well neither am I, but I am not illegally downloading, the CDs have been bougght and if I want to sell my CDs I will unless you are a police officer? :O -- loosetooth loosetooth's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40286 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81713 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Hi, In article loosetooth.4gqazz1283543...@no-mx.forums.slimdevices.com, loosetoothloosetooth.4gqazz1283543...@no-mx.forums.slimdevices.com wrote: Okay well neither am I, but I am not illegally downloading, the CDs have been bougght and if I want to sell my CDs I will unless you are a police officer? :O Nope, I'm not a police officer. And yes, it's entirely up to you if you sell them. If you bought them, burnt a copy, and then sold the original at a car boot sale, would that be Ok too? Andy ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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loosetooth;574099 Wrote: Okay well neither am I, but I am not illegally downloading, the CDs have been bougght and if I want to sell my CDs I will unless you are a police officer? :O Of course it's down to you - but that would be illegal. Just so you know - in case you didn't. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81713 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
