Re: [slim] Compilation albums - problem
i should now clarify that i think comp=0, and maybe comp=1 tags will over-ride the greatest hits logic, but i'm not positive. (meaning that those tags will make server combine album tracks from differing locations into one album for display) MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31716 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Compilation albums - problem
in response to the last post, i think thats because the so called greatest hits logic always trumps the VA/comp tag, etc logic. i agree with an earlier comment in the thread... all the tracks off any given CD should be all together in one folder and its just another reason why itunes sucks. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 sbc (my home) / sbrec ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.2b - win xp pro sp3 ie8 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 45k+ mp3 ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31716 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Compilation albums - problem
Greg Klanderman;252428 Wrote: SW4Peter SW4Peter.32cnub1198926301 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com writes: Has there been any development on this issue? It's been working for me fine for a very long time, and I have not heard any complaints either on these boards. You started this thread nearly a year ago, and have periodically asked for status, but you have never answered any of the questions people asked you or given enough details about your directory structure and music tagging for us to be able to help you. There's a setting under Music Library (in SC7.0) called Group compilation albums together which you will want to set. Then I believe you need to either 1. put all the tracks for each compilation album together in a separate directory, or 2. add the COMPILATION tag to each compilation album's tracks, and it should group all tracks with the same album name (even across different directories) into the same compilation album; the only problem here is if you have two different compilations with the same album name. I have never tried #2 as there is not really a COMPILATION tag under ID3, except the one Apple seems to have invented and which is not supported by any of my tagging software. greg Thanks for your response, the problem started when I let i-tunes organise my music and it seems to have split compilation albums up so that tracks are under ARTIST ALBUM TRACK rather then the clearly more sensible VARIOUS ALBUM TRACK Is there a simple, automatic way of reorganising the file structure back? I've never edited TAGs, I'll google it to see if I can find out hoe to do it. I have also installed SC7. -- SW4Peter SW4Peter's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9672 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31716 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Compilation albums - problem
SW4Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks for your response, the problem started when I let i-tunes organise my music and it seems to have split compilation albums up Aha! That explains it then.. though I would think iTunes would have also added the COMPILATION tag (since at least for id3 tags used by mp3, they seem to have been the inventor of that tag). Are you sure you have the Group compilation albums together setting turned on in SlimServer/SqueezeCenter? Is there a simple, automatic way of reorganising the file structure back? I'm going to assume you're on a Mac or PC so I can't really help you much as I really only use Linux. Others on this forum should be able to recommend something - I think there's a program called TagRename or something like that which folks rave about. Search this forum and the Ripping/Encoding/Transcoding/Tagging forum. I've never edited TAGs, I'll google it to see if I can find out hoe to do it. I have also installed SC7. What format is your music in? What OS are you on? cheers, Greg ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Compilation albums - problem
Greg Klanderman;252745 Wrote: What format is your music in? What OS are you on? cheers, Greg My music is all in MP3 and the PC which runs slimserver is running under windows XP but I use my Macbook Pro the most so I could use a Mac or a Windows application. Cheers Pete -- SW4Peter SW4Peter's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9672 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31716 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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SW4Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My music is all in MP3 and the PC which runs slimserver is running under windows XP but I use my Macbook Pro the most so I could use a Mac or a Windows application. Try to find that TagRename, from what people say it's really powerful.. It should at least tell you if the COMPILATION tag has been set in those albums you're having problems with. If it is not, try adding it to one of the albums and do a wiperescan and see if it fixes your problem. greg ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Compilation albums - problem
mp3tag is free, and there is a good write-up in the Wiki Guide to Ripping and Tagging. -- jeffmeh jeffmeh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3986 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31716 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Has there been any development on this issue? -- SW4Peter SW4Peter's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9672 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31716 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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SW4Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Has there been any development on this issue? It's been working for me fine for a very long time, and I have not heard any complaints either on these boards. You started this thread nearly a year ago, and have periodically asked for status, but you have never answered any of the questions people asked you or given enough details about your directory structure and music tagging for us to be able to help you. There's a setting under Music Library (in SC7.0) called Group compilation albums together which you will want to set. Then I believe you need to either 1. put all the tracks for each compilation album together in a separate directory, or 2. add the COMPILATION tag to each compilation album's tracks, and it should group all tracks with the same album name (even across different directories) into the same compilation album; the only problem here is if you have two different compilations with the same album name. I have never tried #2 as there is not really a COMPILATION tag under ID3, except the one Apple seems to have invented and which is not supported by any of my tagging software. greg ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Compilation albums - problem
I just don't understand why anyone wouldn't organise their music into a directory structure that is basically one directory per album - compilation or otherwise - ...(under a directory per artist). Perhaps it's just me that thinks this is the only sensible way to do things and anything else is just plain silly? But then again, I don't use iTunes or an iPod, mp3's or downloads (except for the odd Linn album download which I treat just like a CD rip). -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... ...SB3+TACT+Altmann+MF DACXV3/Linn tri-amped Aktiv 5.1 system and some very expensive cables ;o) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31716 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Compilation albums - problem
Phil Leigh;252429 Wrote: I just don't understand why anyone wouldn't organise their music into a directory structure that is basically one directory per album - compilation or otherwise - ...(under a directory per artist). Perhaps it's just me that thinks this is the only sensible way to do things and anything else is just plain silly? But then again, I don't use iTunes or an iPod, mp3's or downloads (except for the odd Linn album download which I treat just like a CD rip). But, that seems to be the cause of the problem. For example, the album Down from the Mountain has tracks from several different artists. So, when the album is ripped, those tracks are stored under a Down from the Mountain directory under each artist. From what I can tell, post 6.2 slimserver/squeezecenter doesn't appear to be able to deal with this distributed structure and thus creates multiple instances of Down from the Mountain in the albums list. Personally, I ended up simply tagging all tracks in a compilation album with an artist name of the form album title artists and moved them to a single directory under that pseudo artist name. Mitch -- Mitch G Mitch G's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=548 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31716 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Compilation albums - problem
On 6/4/07, aubuti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I vaguely recall that once upon a time there was an option to specify common album names that would get this special treatment, like Greatest Hits. I just looked through the SS settings and couldn't find it -- was it dropped in one of the 6.x releases? Yes, in 6.5+ the feature has been simplified and you need to put all your files in the same directory AFAIK. Ben ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Compilation albums - problem
Guys, I don't want to give the idea that I have a problem with the software, far from it. I have had a SLIMP3 since they were first released in the UK. I bought it from the only website that sold it at the time www.ihavetohave.it. Since then I have bought a squeezebox and have my eye on the expensive audiophile machine at some point. I used to enjoy a fiddle around with software to get things going but now I haven't got the time so I want the easiest solution for me so that when my wife is looking for one of her, rather rubbish, compilation albums, it is easily found and played. Is my best solution to uninstall the 6.5.2 and reinstall 6.3.1? -- SW4Peter SW4Peter's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9672 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31716 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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hey peter and parkmad, i agree with BOTH of you!!! i got more or less flamed when i had posted previously, complaining that the software should work for ME, and i shouldn't have to work for the SOFTWARE. evidently, i didn't roll over sufficiently for the folks here, raise slimserver to the sublime level of my personal demi-god, and bow to it. instead, i asked that the software get fixed, as it is now broken where it was not before, which seems to be blasphemy to the denizens of the slim forums. peter, if you encode to flac files, metaflac is part of the flac suite of tools that does the tagging. to see if you have it, just type metaflac at any command prompt. it'll give you a usage message if it is there, or else you'll see command not found or a similar message if not. and parkmad, i agree with you wholeheartedly. i was irritated beyond belief when i had to re-arrange a bunch of data with a script i had to write first, just to please the software. i use a readynas600 to run slimserver, not an intervening pc, so i have limited versions of slimserver to choose from. i have to use 6.5.1.2, as slimserver now comes bundled with infrant's firmware, and i needed a firmware upgrade for various other reasons. basically, i am never going to change anything else on this music server ever again. this last change from 6.2.1 to 6.5.1 was so painful that it ruined any desire to invest even 1 more second of time into it. like you, as i get older, i only care about what works. i do not care about spending my free time coaxing functionality out of computer systems. i have much better things to do. best, -sherm -- shermoid you are only young once, but you can be immature forever life is uncertain; eat dessert first - anonymous please visit my mcintosh website: http://alumni.cse.ucsc.edu/~sherman shermoid's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=379 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31716 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Compilation albums - problem
Slim Server is far from perfect and is especially weak on the setup front for a novice or consumer. I think this is made worse by esoteric requests by customers in the forum who don't get it. The nightlies of the past few months have required some tweaks compared to versions prior - many threads about previous behaviors being broken. That's something that should be prevented in full releases by some type of migration tool as part of the installation process. But for all intents and purposes, if your music is properly tagged, it shouldn't matter where it's stored or how its filesystem hierarchy is set up. Having to have good tag data isn't an overbearing requirement in my opinion. Slim Server already includes support to make up for poor tagging or otherwise obscure tagging and storage organization perpetrated by its eclectic customer base. No solution will be perfect when you have such dissimilar practices in place by the customer base. The best course of action is to keep from introducing backwards features and oddball changes to accommodate some of the customer whims. The compilation support in the 6.5.x is a good thing toward making the Slim product line consumer-acceptable. There's a long road to go still before Logitech can make a success out of its Slim acquisition as it did with Harmony. -- MelonMonkey Bruno *'Twisted Melon - Fine Mac OS Software' (http://twistedmelon.com) | 'mira - Personal Control for your Apple Remote' (http://twistedmelon.com)* MelonMonkey's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8466 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31716 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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MelonMonkey;206763 Wrote: But for all intents and purposes, if your music is properly tagged, it shouldn't matter where it's stored or how its filesystem hierarchy is set up. Mm... maybe. Albums with the same name remain a challenge. If artist 'a' has an album named 'xyz' and artist 'b' has one named 'xyz', then do you have one compilation album named 'xyz' or two non-compilations? A smart cataloging program will take into account the folder location of a tracks. When albums are split among folders, either you may need to do something special to unify the albums or else you need to expect less-than-perfect scanning results. I think there are number of ways this could have been done, but it takes some additional intelligence on the part of the scanner and/or some additional attention to tagging. For instance, in the above example, if they were each marked with an ALBUMARTIST (set equal to ARTIST in both cases) then that should make it obvious to the scanner that they're not the same album. Unfortunately, _requiring_ all of a compilation album's tracks to reside in the same folder was the 50lb sledgehammer approach. Easy, dumb, and sure to aggravate some people. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31716 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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JJZolx;206775 Wrote: Mm... maybe. Albums with the same name remain a challenge. If artist 'a' has an album named 'xyz' and artist 'b' has one named 'xyz', then do you have one compilation album named 'xyz' or two non-compilations? A smart cataloging program will take into account the folder locations of tracks. Slimserver doesn't care where the file are. It will lump both albums together as one non-compilation album. Sorted by the first artist in my experience. For instance, in the above example, if they were each marked with an ALBUMARTIST (set equal to ARTIST in both cases) then that should make it obvious to the scanner that they're not the same album. This is absolutely required if running SS with the option to use the iTunes library for finding music files. I've had to set the ALBUMARTIST tag on a number of albums for the very fact of SS combining them if that tag is not set. Erasure and The Charlatans' Wonderland for example along with INXS and The Beloved's X. Unfortunately, _requiring_ all of a compilation album's tracks to reside in the same folder was the 50lb sledgehammer approach. Easy, dumb, and sure to aggravate some people. I keep all my albums in album folders under artist or other specialty folders. Compilation albums do feature all their tracks within a single folder. As far as I know no problems are caused when I move them around though. Not in iTunes and not in SS after it rescans everything. Slimserver has plenty of bugs, and some come and go from nightly to nightly, but in general, you should make sure your tags are correct and complete before considering something a bug or even flawed design implementation. And I'm happy to not have found all of Slimserver's bugs. :) -- MelonMonkey Bruno *'Twisted Melon - Fine Mac OS Software' (http://twistedmelon.com) | 'mira - Personal Control for your Apple Remote' (http://twistedmelon.com)* MelonMonkey's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8466 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31716 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Compilation albums - problem
JJZolx;206775 Wrote: When albums are split among folders, either you may need to do something special to unify the albums or else you need to expect less-than-perfect scanning results. I think there are a number of ways this could have been done, but it takes some additional intelligence on the part of the scanner and/or some additional attention to tagging. For instance, in the above example, if they were each marked with an ALBUMARTIST (set equal to ARTIST in both cases) then that should make it obvious to the scanner that they're not the same album. Unfortunately, _requiring_ all of a compilation album's tracks to reside in the same folder was the 50lb sledgehammer approach. Easy, dumb, and sure to aggravate some people. and this is the problem i think we're all addressing. in slimserver 6.2.1 and in 6.3.1, compilation albums split among different directories were perfectly fine! slimserver correctly analyzed the tags, figured out that all tracks, even in different directories, which had the same ALBUM tag were really part of the same album. a single album would show up on the slimserver web interface, and all its tracks listed neatly below that. once i had to go to 6.5.1, this no longer held true. i was told by slim tech support that i had to re-arrange the hundreds of compilation albums into one directory per album, and re-locate all the thousands of tracks myself. so, it's not so much that i'm unwilling to tag my tracks, or do *some* work to get the database in shape, it's more that what used to work in an older version of slimserver now no longer works, and the USER gets blamed for be unwilling to bend to the software's needs. so, it's a question of focus. some of us are consumers - we want the product to work. some of us are geeks - we want to work the product. i used to be on the geek side, but have moved to the consumer side. i've spent too much of my life bending to computers' needs. i want them to bend to my needs now. :-) just my $0.02. -sherm -- shermoid you are only young once, but you can be immature forever life is uncertain; eat dessert first - anonymous please visit my mcintosh website: http://alumni.cse.ucsc.edu/~sherman shermoid's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=379 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31716 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Compilation albums - problem
JJZolx;206775 Wrote: Mm... maybe. Albums with the same name remain a challenge. If artist 'a' has an album named 'xyz' and artist 'b' has one named 'xyz', then do you have one compilation album named 'xyz' or two non-compilations? A smart cataloging program will take into account the folder locations of tracks. MelonMonkey;206784 Wrote: Slimserver doesn't care where the file are. It will lump both albums together as one non-compilation album. Sorted by the first artist in my experience. Double hmmm. I remember having that problem at one time, but that's not what I'm getting on slimserver 6.5.2. I have a few cases with albums of the same name (such as Unplugged) by different artists, and when I browse by album, they show up separately. I would guess that SS uses the artist and/or other tags to distinguish them, but haven't looked at the code to verify. I vaguely recall that once upon a time there was an option to specify common album names that would get this special treatment, like Greatest Hits. I just looked through the SS settings and couldn't find it -- was it dropped in one of the 6.x releases? -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31716 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Hi Sherm, Thanks for the offer but I don't even know what metafalc is so I guess I don't use it. I'm amazed there is not a simple solution to this problem? -- SW4Peter SW4Peter's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9672 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31716 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Compilation albums - problem
As someone who has also been frustrated with this behavior, you can do what I do. Download and use version 6.3.1. This version treats compilations the same as prior versions and sorts compilations into single albums. Today, I tried 6.5.2 in the hopes that it was changed, but no such luck. After trying to change the behavior setting to group compilations into a single album, the rescan showed 0 albums, 2 songs, by 0 artists. I then changed back to 6.3.1 and everything is fine. As I get older, I don't want to spend hours trying to change many different settings, redoing my file directory structure, or using additional scripts to correct a problem that didn't used to be there. :) -- parkmad parkmad's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31716 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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SW4Peter;204916 Wrote: Any solution to this problem yet guys? hey peter, after about a month of frustration, i did find a solution to this problem. it took writing a perl script to rearrange the data on disc, and then run a complete clear everything and rescan library with 6.5.1. now, FINALLY. my compilation albums appear as they should. if your directory structure for compilation albums is such each artist on the compilation gets their own directory, i have a perl script for you that will help. 6.5.1 will not correctly assemble the artists scattered in different directories together, even though the album name is common. instead, you have to put all the tracks for compilations under one directory, and THEN 6.5.1 will do what it is supposed to do - list the album once, and all the artists/tracks will be under that album. let's say you have a best of 60's compilation. if you rip it, and end up with something like this: /music/jimi_hendirix/foxy_lady.flac /music/janis_joplin/piece_of_my_heart.flac my script will turn this into: /music/best_of_60's/01.foxy_lady.flac /music/best_of_60's/02.piece_of_my_heart.flac and so sorth, which 6.5.1 will correctly scan as ONE album, not 1 album listing per track which is what i used to get (and i think you're getting). if you use linux and flac files, this script will work. if you aren't using flac, then this won't work for you - the script relies on 'metaflac' to get the tags, and then process the files. let me know, and if you'd like a copy of this script, i will send one to you. hth, -sherm -- shermoid you are only young once, but you can be immature forever life is uncertain; eat dessert first - anonymous please visit my mcintosh website: http://alumni.cse.ucsc.edu/~sherman shermoid's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=379 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31716 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Any solution to this problem yet guys? -- SW4Peter SW4Peter's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9672 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31716 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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It's fixed for me in 6.5.2, all my various artists now show correctly. Jim -- jimwillsher jimwillsher's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=410 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31716 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Is there a solution to this yet? -- SW4Peter SW4Peter's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9672 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31716 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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I have tried rescanning my music. Any other ideas? There's a setting where you can define whether you want them grouped or not. Did you check this as well? What exact version are you using? Latest means tonight's build? -- Michael - http://www.herger.net/SlimCD - your SlimServer on a CD http://www.herger.net/slim - AlbumReview, Biography, MusicInfoSCR ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
