Re: [slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin
Quoting bklaas [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Is this possible from any skin? I just went to Default and Fishbone to see how they are doing it, and I don't see any hooks for adding favorites... nothing currently, but there is an open request to add it. -kdf ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin
Ben, I like the artist view that now shows the album images instead of a plain list of albums. For some reason for artists where I've only got one album I don't get the image displayed. It's fine for artists with two or more albums. I'm using the latest 6.5 nightly on Win XP. Richard ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin
Can anyone else reproduce this? I don't see this issue on my slimserver, although I am on the HEAD branch, not 6.5. I'm assuming what you are talking about is Browse-Artwork, right? #!/ben After a little playing around this might be a bit more complicated than I thought. I'm using Browse-Artist. On the 770, when I browse to a particular artist I normally get a text list of albums. This works fine whatever number of albums the artist has. Today I fired up the 770 skin in Firefox on the PC. When I use Browse-Artist I get a row of thumbnail images of the album art. I thought this was quite cool but it didn't display the image if the artist only had one album. When you said you can't see this It made me think of something. I went back to the 770, loaded the default skin, selected Artists, clicked on a particular artist and then changed from the list view to the gallery view. Then if I go back to the 770 skin and use Browse-Artist I get the thumbnail images just like on the PC and again it doesn't work if the artist only has one album. If I change the setting in the default skin back to list view, the 770 goes back to the list of albums again. It's definitely repeatable. Just in case it's relevant, the default skin does show the artwork correctly if an artist only has one album. I guess you're picking up a setting from the default skin somewhere. Hope this helps. Richard ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin
sorry, but I'm totally at a loss to reproduce this on my system. I loaded Default skin, viewed in gallery mode as you described, then went back to Nokia770. No thumbnails. not sure where to go with this. Thumbnails in the artist view would be great, but it isn't a feature I had anything to do with... Just so you know what you're missing, here's a screenshot from the 770 http://www.flickr.com/photos/gibberingidiot/228340538/ Hopefully someone else who knows what's going on will join in. Richard ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin
Quoting bklaas [EMAIL PROTECTED]: That was a hack fix because I was seeing that the first item when looping through browse lists was junk. I assumed this was due to some change in counting from 0 or from 1, but admittedly didn't spend any time investigating after I got it to work. I have little doubt that removing that will fix the issue that Richie is seeing, but since I can't get the same behavior on my machine, this will be tough for me to test. ok, I can explain that one too :) The album lists now have a list view and gallery view. This is normally chosen by a linked image in the skin, which sets a cookie and reloads the page. This cookie persists across skins and will set artwork=1 for browsedb pages. In the case of nokia770, your browse artwork link is hardwired with artwork=1, and artwork=2 for the one by one. Going through browse artist leaves artwork undefined, and the cookie set while using another skin may affect the album sublevel. To test, go into Default skin, browse albums, click on the image beside the sort by pulldown (looks like a window pane). The view will switch to gallery. Then you should see this gallery view in the nokia skin (at least on firefox, no idea if nokia opera does cookies) -kdf ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Quoting bklaas [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I get it now. Looks like I've got some work to do to support this. KDF, opinion on whether this would be considered a new feature? I'll test on top-of-tree, but if all goes well I'd like to see this in 6.5. gallery view is a feature of the 6.5 builds. supporting it properly in all skins is a good thing. -k ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin
On 21-Apr-06, at 7:23 AM, bklaas wrote: I'm seeing nothing about cost except free on the MusicIP website. Can anyone confirm that? I'm not interested in opening my wallet for this... you can easily get a trial key, and wendell (code guru for musicIP) is very generous with longer term keys for those developing musicIP features if needed. However, I think the new plan over there is to allow the http API as a free feature. I'll can provide you with a simple patch to add the mix links to the browse modes, and all you need is a new fitting graphic for b_mix.gif (moodlogic) and b_mmmix.gif (musicIP) -kdf ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin
Quoting bklaas [EMAIL PROTECTED]: thanks, KDF. I'm still a little confused how MusicMatch is supposed to fit into the Slimserver UI. MusicMatch makes playlists, right? Where would a user be looking on the Slimserver web interface for MusicMatch functionality? Clicking on the Browse Playlist link? Maybe it's just Friday, but I don't think I'm getting it... First off, MusicMatch is a different animal from MusicMagic or MusicIP as it is now known. MusicMagic can be used to manage your library (importing metadata during scan) and as a mixer for playlists. They program has some fancy algorithm for blending songs that fit together based on various criteria. They provide an HTTP API for requesting playlists based on seeds. Seeds ca be artist, album, genre, song, an existing playlist or a variant of a playlsit, called moods. Both the player UI and web UI have hooks for creating the mixes. As for your skin, it can be up to you where and what you wish to support. Slimserver actually works with two mixer programs, Moodlogic and MusicMagic. Each has their own graphic (b_mix.gif and b_mmmix.gif respectively) that we use in the web interface to call the http API. Most skins that support the mixing, so far only make it available as part of the browse modes. Your cmdwrappers file already has the stuff in place for browsecontrols, etc. However, browsecontrols_abbr is only the PLAY and ADD. If you add the mixer lines to that, then you will have links to activate musicmagic playlists. Clicking the b_mmmix.gif icon next to U2 for example would create a playlist based on U2 as an artist. Server settings will determine how large the playlist should be and how varied. I downloaded the linux MusicIP program and took a look. As far as I can tell it at least *looks* free. If there's a cost associated with it they hide it quite well. The API used to be something you had to pay for. I believe this is going away to give more people access to the mixing features from third party applications like slimserver. Before I run this program against my library, I still want to know if MusicIP edits ID3 tags. Anyone know? It does not. They create their own data storage (default.m3lib, IIRC). The initial analysis of the files can take very long time (1 week for a full analysis) but you rarely ever have to run it all over again (don't go wiping out the m3lib file, of course). I believe that some recent versions to allow the option of embedding the analysis data into the audio files themselves for faster recovery, but this still avoids the ID3 tags themselves. -kdf ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin
for mixer support, here is a patch with simple bad graphics made by forcing the Default gifs into 20x20. -k nokia-mixer.tar.gz Description: GNU Zip compressed data ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin
Quoting bklaas [EMAIL PROTECTED]: First, try this: Server Settings-Security-CSRF Protection Set it to NONE. That shouldn't be required with the latest script. The headers are set to avoid the problem. However, it is possible that the cache is involved becuase the script has been relocated. Initially, the old script may be found in the cache and used instead of the fallback. Given some time and refreshing it should pass, if this is the case. -kdf ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin
server settings-security-CSRF settings to none. should help. in the last week, I put in a fix that should have got around this, and in the last two days merged in a fix that should be far cleaner (original fix required us to patch the prototype.js library). It works on firefox, but I guess maybe not so well on a nokia770. sadly, unavailable in canada so I'm unlikely to ever have access to one for testing. -k ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin
Dave, I've run into this as well. I think what's happening is that when the 770 goes to power save mode (screen dims or turns off), an additional step it takes is to break the network connection. It's a pity that it does this, but the 770 consumes a lot more power when WiFi is active. When the network connection breaks, it also stops the browser from attempting to refresh. Sorry that's not a solution (which I don't have), but I believe that's what's happening. My best solution is to tap the screen to bring it back to life, then top on the musical note icon to do a hard refresh of the screen. If anyone has a better workaround for this behavior, please post. cheers, #!/ben There should be settings somewhere that control the power saving functionality - how long it takes to dim the screen, turn the screen off, turn off wireless, etc. For my personal use, extending the timeouts to something on the order of several minutes instead of the 10-20 seconds that it is now would be sufficient. Maybe there are some tweaks on the 770 forums that can help. Also - my now playing screen doesn't seem to update unless I hit the Now Playing icon and force a refresh. As a song is playing the progress bar moves but the screen doesn't update automatically when the song changes. Do you know why that would be? - Dave ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin
bklaas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Reason: the skin API changed significantly between 6.2 and 6.5. This skin is maintained by some schmoe off the street, not a slimdevices employee, and he has no interest in doubling his development time. He also refuses to support Internet Explorer in any way/shape/form. I also heard he's an ornery jerk with no friends, but that's just heresay at this point. cheers, #!/ben I guess my question is why it is not somewhere else as well, on its own, so I can grab it and use it with 6.2? Does it need some hooks in 6.5? -- ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin
bklaas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: By saying that the skin API is different, that means that a 6.2 skin has to be written differently than a 6.5 skin. Therefore, a skin written for 6.5 will not work in 6.2. The only choice is 6.5 if you want to use the Nokia770 skin. OK cool, that's all I needed to know. I guess I just thought it was all HTML and images - the API part escaped me. -- ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin
Is there any reason this skin only comes in slim 6.5? I prefer not running ever-changing latest/greatest - I did that for too many years. I'd much rather run 6.2 and use this skin. -- ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin
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Re: [slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin
On 3/15/06, EnochLight [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 6.5 has been in beta for several months now; it's probably going to bea release candidate befor long. I'm not sure where you got that idea. 6.5 has never had a beta release. The 6.5b1 identifier tag is just in prep for a future beta. There is a lot of ironing out to do before 6.5, like merging the split-scanner branch in (unless plans have changed). Ben ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin
Playlist for this player is empty message. Try Server Settings, Security, CSRF Protection level (Set to none) On Tuesday, March 07, 2006, at 08:05AM, Patrick Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19369 Question: Do you have a 770? - Got it - Want it - Need it - Forget it I don't have a 770 but I thought I'd try the skin anyway. Using 6 Mar nightly. It looks very promising and is very responsive, but I'm having some problems: Firefox doesn't seem to display all the album art in Artwork view. Some of it just never updates IE does, but doesn't give a vertical scrollbar, so you can never get to the bottom of the page. In either, clicking on any Player control in the 'Now Playing' window gives a Playlist for this player is empty message. -- Patrick Dixon www.at-tunes.co.uk Patrick Dixon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=90 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19369 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin
I've now purchased one of these off e-bay based on all the positive feedback here. I hope I won't be disappointed - sounds like I won't be! ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin
Michael Haan wrote: I'm curious why PPC's with the Telcanto app haven't gotten more traction. because the PocketPC platform sucks so bad(*) that it makes Palm look good -- but in switching to it, people spent time going over all the things that they didn't like about PalmOS and hoped PPC would fix, so they don't go back to Palm either. Instead they buy a Blackberry or a Symbian or a Motorola phone, or walk away from the whole PDA mess and carry a moleskin notebook. As a dedicated remote control, something like a PocketPC would have to be stable, fast, and untethered. I've never changed the two AAA batteries in a Slim Devices remote. A PocketPC would have to be put in the cradle every night. (*) got an ipaq 4150 which loses all data when the battery dies, which is every day. It also crashes if it's woken from a locked, sleeping state by a calendar reminder. Pocket Media Player can't play MP3 streams, Pocket IE can't render anything, if my WAP isn't available it burns its battery looking for other WAPs and asking me repeatedly if I want to join them. Wanna get on tmobile? How about now? Now? It's still there, how about now? Is this a good time? How about now? /I heart my Blackberry 7780. -- Jack at Monkeynoodle dot Org: It's a Scientific Venture... Riding the Emergency Third Rail Power Trip Since 1996 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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because the PocketPC platform sucks so bad(*) that it makes Palm look good -- but in switching to it, people spent time going over all the things that they didn't like about PalmOS and hoped PPC would fix, so they don't go back to Palm either. Instead they buy a Blackberry or a Symbian or a Motorola phone, or walk away from the whole PDA mess and carry a moleskin notebook.As a dedicated remote control, something like a PocketPC would have to be stable, fast, and untethered. I've never changed the two AAA batteries in a Slim Devices remote. A PocketPC would have to be put in the cradle every night. Fair enough - so, how does the 770 stack-up against a PPC for power consumption, and for response time? ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin
Jack Coates wrote: Michael Haan wrote: I'm curious why PPC's with the Telcanto app haven't gotten more traction. because the PocketPC platform sucks so bad(*) that it makes Palm look good -- but in switching to it, people spent time going over all the things that they didn't like about PalmOS and hoped PPC would fix, so they don't go back to Palm either. Instead they buy a Blackberry or a Symbian or a Motorola phone, or walk away from the whole PDA mess and carry a moleskin notebook. As a dedicated remote control, something like a PocketPC would have to be stable, fast, and untethered. I've never changed the two AAA batteries in a Slim Devices remote. A PocketPC would have to be put in the cradle every night. (*) got an ipaq 4150 which loses all data when the battery dies, which is every day. It also crashes if it's woken from a locked, sleeping state by a calendar reminder. Pocket Media Player can't play MP3 streams, Pocket IE can't render anything, if my WAP isn't available it burns its battery looking for other WAPs and asking me repeatedly if I want to join them. Wanna get on tmobile? How about now? Now? It's still there, how about now? Is this a good time? How about now? /I heart my Blackberry 7780. Dear god. I would rather shoot myself than give up my Treo for a Blackberry. The usability and extendibility on those things is horrendous IMO. But, back to the topic at hand, Windows Mobile is definitely lacking, but with the opera beta and my custom HTML skin for slimserver it makes a very effective remote. Putting the remote back in to the docking station once a day is hardly a downside for most people. I'm also missing how a remote control not being able to play music when controlling the music player is a problem, but you may have just been ranting about Windows Mobile and not talking about the subject at hand. Whatever the case I can play mp3 streams just fine on it, I just never would want to. And.. to answer the question that was asked, Telcanto wasn't flexible enough for me. I don't use album art or list the album in the id3 tags on most of my mp3s. I also want the playlist to be displayed on the same screen as the now playing screen. Give me an macro language that can configure it as I like and I'll use it. Oh wait, I have HTML already, no need to spend money for it =). -- Mike ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin
I'm curious why PPC's with the Telcanto app haven't gotten more traction. I suspect because it's not free, James NOTICE: If received in error, please destroy and notify sender. Sender does not waive confidentiality or privilege, and use is prohibited. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin
I'm curious why PPC's with the Telcanto app haven't gotten more traction. I suspect because it's not free, If somebody wants to give me a helping hand developping a free alternative, running on Windows, Linux, PocketPC, Zaurus and others... http://www.herger.net/slim/detail.php?nr=912 -- Michael --- Help translate SlimServer by using the SlimString Translation Helper (http://www.herger.net/slim/) ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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If somebody wants to give me a helping hand developping a free alternative, running on Windows, Linux, PocketPC, Zaurus and others... http://www.herger.net/slim/detail.php?nr=912 But it would seem you have done it already! James NOTICE: If received in error, please destroy and notify sender. Sender does not waive confidentiality or privilege, and use is prohibited. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin
But it would seem you have done it already! There's still a long way to go... (Playlist management, internet radio, player controls etc.) -- Michael --- Help translate SlimServer by using the SlimString Translation Helper (http://www.herger.net/slim/) ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin
The Nokia 770 is now available in Switzerland at digigasin.ch if you Out of stock, wherever I look. Do they actually ship? want to save you the trouble of developping your app any further ;) Developping is fun :-). -- Michael --- Help translate SlimServer by using the SlimString Translation Helper (http://www.herger.net/slim/) ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin
The Nokia 770 is now available in Switzerland at digigasin.ch if you want to save you the trouble of developping your app any further ;) Oh, there's been some talk about porting Ewe to the Nokia 770... my effort might eventually be of use if I buy a 770 :-) -- Michael --- Help translate SlimServer by using the StringEditor Plugin (http://www.herger.net/slim/) ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin
Could someone post to this thread and tell me if you've had success or failure in seeing the ajax enhancements to Nokia770? thanks, #!/ben No, we're all too busy playing with our 770s with your great skin :) In all seriousness, it looks fine here. I've been using it on and off for the last hour or two and not noticed any problems. On a separate topic, would it be a pain to increase the size of the artwork on the view artwork screen? Is it something I could easily edit myself? Thanks Richard ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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I'm curious why PPC's with the Telcanto app haven't gotten more traction. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin
I just don't think the PDA/Telcanto thing is very a compelling solution. I found the Telcanto soultion to be much more usable than the standard handheld skin. Is the 770 solution that much better? ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin
With the 770 set as really full screen there is no back unless you switch out of full-screen mode ... and the breadcrumbs at the top of the screen take you back to the top of the section. There is the hard back button, the top one of the three on the left hand side. Took me a while to realise it was there. Richard ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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On 20-Feb-06, at 7:54 PM, bklaas wrote: that certainly implies JPG is the format you need. .gif works too -k ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin
interesting...I'd never seen the 'Optimized View' feature before...do you know what that feature is supposed to do (besides screwing up the rendering of the album art)? This was cut and pasted from the Nokia 770 manual: To view the Web page in optimized size, select View Optimized view. The Web page is fit to the width of the screen; text and images are zoomed and scaled differently is necessary. I use it as it means I only have to scroll up and down when zoomed in. I've been getting all sorts of weirdness with the display of artwork on my 770 and hadn't realised this was the cause until it was mentioned here. Turn it off and the artwork displays ok, turn it back on and the artwork seems to come out at random sizes. I hope it's not a big problem to fix, although I'll keep it turned off if I have to since I mainly got the 770 mainly for Slimserver control. When browsing artwork, I currently get 6 images across the screen at what looks like 100 pixels across. The thumbnail size in server setting is set to 150 pixels. So, is the thumbnail size hard wired into the skin?. If so, would it be possible to use the value in server settings so that I can have a slightly larger image visible on the screen? Thanks for your help. Richard ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin
On 14-Feb-06, at 5:41 PM, gharris999 wrote: Umwith svn 6251, I'm seeing nada with the 770 skin. Nothing...just a blank white page. That's with IE, firefox and with my 770. The html code fed to the browser is: moser noticed the problem earlier. I am guessing ben is gone for the night, so I've put in a quick fix (6252) to get it back to working state and ben can change it to what he really wanted tomorrow. -kdf ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Nokia 770 skin without 6.5?
On 1/28/06, bklaas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You won't have any 'is this PDA friendly' worries with the 770. The browser rocks. If you have reservations, I'd check with your area CompUSA and/or Frey's and see if they have a demo unit out. this reply was written in gmail using the 770 browser. it is impressive - particularly usinger the view optimise setting (which works really well with the handheld skin). the other programs are less impressive however, the handwriting recognition is a joke and the hardware is rather underpecced. it is anawesome slim remote ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Nokia 770 skin without 6.5?
On 1/28/06, bklaas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nokia770 is 6.5 only, sorry. It will never be supported in 6.2.FWIW, I'm using an up-to-date checkout of 6.5 and it seems fine for me.Try another daily build and I think you'll be okay.cheers,#!/ben I tried the 28/1/05 package and got a blank screen through the web interface. I'll give it another week - it's usable with the current screens ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin
Quoting Dan Sully [EMAIL PROTECTED]: * vikmurthy shaped the electrons to say... I tried uninstalling the Jan 25th release and installing the Jan 20th release, and still came away with the same problem. Ironically, reinstalling Slimserver 6.2.2 eliminates the problem (but then, I don't have use of the Nokia 770 skin). I checked in a possible fix for this earlier today. It's available via SVN right now, or in tonight's build. And yes - Kevin only has the ability (and time) to support our released versions. 6.5 is marked beta for a reason! probably have to wait for the next compiled release tomorrow, though. Updating the dll over today's build does not help. -k ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin
(note: FYI, I may be disappearing for a few days to a couple weeks in short order. My second kid is due any day...skin development takes a back burner to that...) Well I think you deserve a break, although I don't think you'll be getting much rest :) Thanks for all the great work on this skin, it's made using the 770 almost perfect for me. Richard ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin
Just a quick question - is there a Nokia770 skin page for Random mix? No, and there can't be. Of course there can! You could create Nokia770 specific templates for those plugins. There's already been a request today for this. http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20096 -- Michael --- Help translate SlimServer by using the SlimString Translation Helper (http://www.herger.net/slim/) ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin
Michael Herger wrote: Just a quick question - is there a Nokia770 skin page for Random mix? No, and there can't be. Of course there can! You could create Nokia770 specific templates for those plugins. There's already been a request today for this. http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20096 with 6.5, it should not be necessary to create custom pages for every plugin. Making proper use of cmdwrappers should alow a plugin o conform to a skins look and feel without needing custom templates. -kdf ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin
Quoting bklaas [EMAIL PROTECTED]: kdf Wrote: Michael Herger wrote: Just a quick question - is there a Nokia770 skin page for Random mix? No, and there can't be. Of course there can! You could create Nokia770 specific templates for those plugins. There's already been a request today for this. http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20096 with 6.5, it should not be necessary to create custom pages for every plugin. Making proper use of cmdwrappers should alow a plugin o conform to a skins look and feel without needing custom templates. -kdf H...great in theory, but somehow I think this is going to be problematic in the Nokia770 skin. For example, I expect any page within the skin to PROCESS pageheader.html and menu.html. How would you do that using cmdwrappers? I'm already using cmdwrappers to create my browse and playlist controls (pirated that from your skin, kdf), but I'm not sure how I see cmdwrappers providing the higher level support for processing the page formatting. Maybe I'm missing something... the plugin pages should process pageheader.html already. You could have your pagehead process menu.html so that it is available to any plugin, or have cmdwrappers process menu.html where needed inside the contentcontainer. cmdwrappers is loaded by a PREPROCESS in the slimserver web server, so it should be possible. -kdf ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin
I'm also not sure what exactly is missing. With the patch that I provided in the dev forum, you should be able to see a nokia770-like versino of random and favourites already. You just have to make more use of [% webroot %] instead of making those urls absolute. An absolute href will break the skinoverride in urls. Anyone with the default (or any other skin) as their pref, would see the pref skin. The patch lets the server point to the right place in all cases. -kdf ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin
Also, hadn't update my svn tree on Nokia770, so I wasn't using the new cmdwrappers you checked in (didn't realize anyone else was checking in things)... anyway, looks pretty good to me now... #!/ben Ben, Would it be possible to have an 'I' button for each track in the playlist, just like fishbone? This would be a great help when I want information on a track in a random playlist that isn't the currently playing track. Thanks for the excellent work on this skin, it's turned my 770 into the perfect squeezebox remote. Richard ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin
Quoting bklaas [EMAIL PROTECTED]: spot on as usual, KDF! I'm making the necessary changes to all of the pages and will update svn in a few minutes. I saw the checkin, and it looks good from viewing that. I can't update until later. One remaining inconsistency is that I want the playlist controls to show up on the left, not the right of each table row (left is the convention throughout the skin, and IMO for good readson). I'm pretty sure that would have to happen via a custom skin for the plugins, but it's a minor point compared to getting the nav bar up there...thanks for the pointer, KDF. The contentitem object in cmdwrappers should allow you to set the controls wherever you like. It all depends on where in the [% BLOCK contentitem -%] that you PROCESS the controls. Check Moser and Default skin for examples. You can just move it to before the [% content %] section. To make it work originally, I just pasted from Default so that the plugins woudln't be completely wrecked. There are some minor errors that have to be cleaned up. What you probably want is more like this: [% BLOCK contentitem -%] trtd class=listing align=left [% IF controls %] div class=browsedbControls [%- PROCESS $controls %][% ELSE %]td/tdtd/td[% END %] /div/td td class=listing align=left [%- IF anchor %] a name=[% anchor %]/a [%- END %] div class=[% lineclass || 'browsedbListItem' %] [%- content | indent(4) %] /td /tr [%- END %] It isn't perfect, but it will do until a more complete move from tables to css is done. -kdf -kdf ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin
Quoting bklaas [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Also, hadn't update my svn tree on Nokia770, so I wasn't using the new cmdwrappers you checked in (didn't realize anyone else was checking in things)... yes, sorry about that. Being as active as you are on this skin right now, I'd normally have posted a note and left it for you. however, in this case I felt it was best to make sure it went in with the plugin changes so that we didn't have a nightly build that generated a crazy-looking page, and consequently dozens of complaints when the nightly came out. -kdf ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin
'I' button was replaced by hyperlinking all track names to the info page. Just click on the song title and you'll get what you're asking for... #!/ben Thanks, I hadn't realised that. Richard ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin
Quoting bklaas [EMAIL PROTECTED]: A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19369 Question: Do you have a 770? - Got it - Want it - Need it - Forget it KDF--something's not functioning right. I'm getting the impression that the contentcontainer and contentitem BLOCKs in cmdwrappers are being ignored... I may have had an error in there (wasn't tested after all). Run from command line and usually anything wrong results in dumps to the screen. Things like missing [% END %]'s can do this. A bad edit will generate an error, but might still revert to the cached version and show as unchanged. =-k ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin
another attachment to handle the randomplay plugin using cmdwrappers, moving the controls to the left side of the page. I'll leave it to you to decide on the exact layout that you like. This is mainly for an example to show that the controls can be moved. -kdf Index: HTML/Nokia770/cmdwrappers === --- HTML/Nokia770/cmdwrappers (revision 5667) +++ HTML/Nokia770/cmdwrappers (working copy) @@ -105,20 +105,17 @@ [%- END %] [% BLOCK contentitem -%] -trtd class=listing align=left - [%- IF anchor %] +tr[%- IF anchor %] a name=[% anchor %]/a [%- END %] - - div class=[% lineclass || 'browsedbListItem' %] - - [%- content | indent(4) %] + [% IF controls %]tabletr + [%- PROCESS $controls %] + [% END %] + + td class=listing align=left + [%- content | indent(4) %] /td - [% IF controls %] - div class=browsedbControls - [%- PROCESS $controls %][% END %] - /div - /div + [% IF controls %]/tr/table[% END %] /tr [%- END %] ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin
On 1/11/06, bklaas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ABSOLUTELY. There is a closer example-- the ExBrowse3 skin for slimserver already uses AJAX/DHTML/DOM to do just that. I've been browsing through that code and have that feature as a TO-DO. While programming web pages in this manner is decidedly more involved than cranking out straight html with Template Toolkit, it will make the interface really shine. I even just ordered 'AJAX in action' to help beef up my skills in that area. For the record, browser page refreshes drive me NUTSO. Let me know if you want a hand. It's not too hard to port the EB3 code to another UI layout; the biggest difficulty would be making it reliable with the 770's browser. (I don't have one yet - it's a cut-down version of Opera, right?) - Jacob ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin
I am looking forward to your final version getting rolled into future slimeserver release (which Infrant modify and release as add-on). AFAIK the 770 skin is slimserver 6.5 only, and Infrant's still using 6.2.x. You couldn't copy the 6.5 skin to your NAS even if it wasn't a plugin. -- Michael --- Help translate SlimServer by using the StringEditor Plugin (http://www.herger.net/slim/) ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin
Quoting bklaas [EMAIL PROTECTED]: kdf, since I've got you on the proverbial line, do you know if there is a variable (when viewing status.html) that can determine whether the current song is a remote URL? does itemobj.isRemoteURL work? ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin
bklaas wrote: thanks, that makes sense. Bummer, but reasonable. I got a gonzo cool idea about the publicradiofan.com page while thinking about this last night...I'll spare the details until I see if I can get it working, but I'll give you a hint: rhymes with creasemonkey. Yes indeed. I've often thought a right-click menu item in Firefox that did a Send to Squeezebox would be great. It would do the equivalent of copying the URL, bringing up the Radio Tune In page via the Slimserver and pasting it in to play it. (Not that following those exact steps manually is such an ordeal, but still, it'd be cool.) SBB Visit our website at http://www.ubs.com This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. This message is provided for informational purposes and should not be construed as a solicitation or offer to buy or sell any securities or related financial instruments. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin
macdaddy wrote: Sounds like this improvement in Slim might change things for the better. It makes sense that it would. If the images are resized on the server there's less data to stream to the 770, to cache, to decode from JPG to bitmaps and, most importantly, less data that the browser has to hold in memory, internally resize and render. Should be a big win. --rt ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin
On Jan 4, 2006, at 12:04 PM, ron thigpen wrote: macdaddy wrote: Sounds like this improvement in Slim might change things for the better. It makes sense that it would. If the images are resized on the server there's less data to stream to the 770, to cache, to decode from JPG to bitmaps and, most importantly, less data that the browser has to hold in memory, internally resize and render. Should be a big win. Funny you should mention this... Last night's 6.5 nightly build includes dynamic resizing of thumbnail images. Currently it's only working on OSX and Linux servers (Dan needs to rebuild a library for windows), but it seems to be much friendlier to the 770. The other limitation is that it doesn't cache the resized images on the server, so they are recalcuated each time they are requested. This will be added later. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin
dean blackketter wrote: Funny you should mention this... By caching on the server, do you mean writing resized images into the library (or some sort of img-cache dir)? Seems like you could do this once on scan, store the path/filename in the db and be done with it. Big gains for browsing, and for all but the first scanner pass. Another gain in the browsers will be in page scrolling. From what I can tell, the browsers seem to call their resize code in the renderer as the images need to be flowed into the layout. So when you scroll and hit new images, they have to be resized on the fly, which is performance intensive, and this produces glitchy scroll behavior. And the ones that fall off the screen seem to be thrown away and recalc'd when you scroll back. Not good. Anyway, serving correctly sized-for-display images is just better. And don't forget to update the HTML markup to include img tag height and width attributes. This hints the layout engine and allows for quicker paints. Yip! --rt ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin
Artwork WFM. About page shows: Last update: 20 Dec 2005. Is this the latest? Beautiful work BTW. Loving the 770-Slim combo. --rt MrC wrote: Does browse artwork work for anyone with the lastest version of this skin? I get no artwork showing up. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin
I added a change to 6.5 today that will resize cover art thumbnails in slimserver on the fly. This makes the artwork page in the 770 skin (and other skins) much faster. Right now it should work on Linux and Mac OS X, Dan needs to update a library for Windows in a future nightly. Still to be added is server-side caching of the resized images, which should make the thing even faster. Look for it in tonight's nightly build and please post if you have any issues with it. Thanks, dean ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin
Can anyone get these tars to open on an XP machine? I'm using WinAce and I don't see any contents. Ah... does this mean I can't use it? They download fine here. Using Firefox and WinRAR. Richard ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin
On Dec 24, 2005, at 12:01 AM, macdaddy wrote: No interest or knowledge in Mac either? I would get Slim device if I knew the problem was a Roku issue not a Mac issue. I don't want to buy Slim device only to have same problem. Thx in advance for your input. Man this 770 is S W E E T! I've been running various Slim devices (since the first one) on an OS X box (panther, and now on tiger). Works just perfect. And yeah, the 770 is sweet :) Victor ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
