Re: [slim] SC needs an embedded player, folder.jpg db
Firefox is already turbo-charged, I made those revisions months ago - as to why 600 albums, like so many folks I often like to browse cover art for what to play next - a time-honored tradition, flipping through the stack of tunes. I don't think - gee, what would I like to listen to that starts with J through M? If I forsake SC altogether for WMP, which I find myself doing more and more often, due to SC/SS glitches and hangs, I have my entire collection spread before me like a living carpet in Windows. Nor do I think it is somehow an inherent limitation of the web GUI, I think Firefox is more than up to the challenge of displaying that many thumbnails in a simple scroll. It is, I believe, a flaw in the basic code or design of the way album art is cached in SC that is the culprit. I don't see Itunes or Ipod even blinking as I cover-flip seamlessly through my entire album collection. -- Fleury Fleury's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9783 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51140 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SC needs an embedded player, folder.jpg db
Fleury;330085 Wrote: Nor do I think it is somehow an inherent limitation of the web GUI, I think Firefox is more than up to the challenge of displaying that many thumbnails in a simple scroll. Of course it is, but you're not complaining that it can't display them, but that it can't load the page quickly. Here's a test, go find a page with 600 images on it and see how fast it loads on any browser. It's not a limitation of FF, it's a limitation of how HTTP and web pages work. I don't see Itunes or Ipod even blinking as I cover-flip seamlessly through my entire album collection. They're not loading the images over HTTP. -- radish radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51140 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SC needs an embedded player, folder.jpg db
I know Moose is a fancy slipcover for SC, but my point is that the minute or two it takes 600 album covers to load in SC takes about 15 seconds or less in Moose. Moose does a far superior job of handling cover art. If it is drawing on the same db cache file as SC, then something in the web interface is the culprit, maybe Firefox (which I am using) vs. IE? As to player, yes I am thinking of the upper right corner screen of the SC 7.0, wher the album art, play/pause/synch buttons are located. Squeezeplay might be the answer, though folks like myself who do not have a controller have no clue what to expect. Is it a separate software app like SS or integrated into the SC GUI? -- Fleury Fleury's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9783 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51140 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SC needs an embedded player, folder.jpg db
Fleury;329847 Wrote: Is it a separate software app like SS or integrated into the SC GUI? SqueezePlay is a seperate app, but isn't written in Java, so doesn't have some of the inherent problems of SoftSqueeze. -- funkstar funkstar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51140 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SC needs an embedded player, folder.jpg db
Fleury;329847 Wrote: I know Moose is a fancy slipcover for SC, but my point is that the minute or two it takes 600 album covers to load in SC takes about 15 seconds or less in Moose. Moose does a far superior job of handling cover art. If it is drawing on the same db cache file as SC, then something in the web interface is the culprit, maybe Firefox (which I am using) vs. IE? Why are you loading 600 covers? That's always going to take time because of the way HTTP works (only a few can be requested at a time)...but the browsing modes in SC specifically limit the number of images per page for that reason. If Moose is caching the images locally then that will help it's performance a lot - but your web browser should also be doing some caching - maybe increase it's cache size? -- radish radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51140 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SC needs an embedded player, folder.jpg db
radish;329895 Wrote: Why are you loading 600 covers? That's always going to take time because of the way HTTP works (only a few can be requested at a time) You can up the maximum simultaneous conenctions in FireFox quite easily. May well help a lot. http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1854513,00.asp Even if the graphic is cached, when a page is loaded the browser will need to check if it is the newest or not. So every graphic causes a connection plus HTTP request and response. 600 is a lot even for cached content. -- funkstar funkstar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51140 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SC needs an embedded player, folder.jpg db
funkstar;329919 Wrote: You can up the maximum simultaneous conenctions in FireFox quite easily. May well help a lot. http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1854513,00.asp But you can't set it differently for local vs internet servers (AFAIK). Setting too high a value could cause issues with remote servers (you end up looking like a DOS attack!). 20 or 30 shouldn't cause problems, but it is against the RFC. Even if the graphic is cached, when a page is loaded the browser will need to check if it is the newest or not. Not if the expires headers are set correctly. Looking at what comes back from SC, the standard icons are all served with an expires one hour in the future, the cover art thumbnails have no expires. Might be nice to try putting expires on those, should boost performance for some people at the expense of confusion if you update your art files and they take a while to show up. -- radish radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51140 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SC needs an embedded player, folder.jpg db
For the artwork point, SC does cache the resampled images. That's what is happening during the artwork phase of the scan. It's also important to remember that Moose isn't a replacement for SC, it's a replacement GUI for SC. SC is still there under the hood. As for the embedded player, I assume you mean embedded in the SC web interface? Squeezeplay is on the way, that will be replacing Softsqueeze. If anyone fancies writing up a flash player or something I'm sure no-one would complain :) -- radish radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51140 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SC needs an embedded player, folder.jpg db
Oh and I forgot to mention, the album art is pretty snappy these days (thanks to the caching), loads up basically instantly for me - even over wireless. If you're seeing slowness maybe something else is up? -- radish radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51140 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
