Re: [slim] Time to see how SlimD's customer sevice is...

2007-11-04 Thread scatbass

Let's be completely honest though...if companies made products that they
truly believed they could stand behind, they would offer lifetime
unconditional warranties. Most companies these days are mediocre and
care little about product quality and customer satisfaction, aside from
the bare minimum required to acquire and maintain a customer base.


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Re: [slim] Time to see how SlimD's customer sevice is...

2007-11-04 Thread earthbased

scatbass;240228 Wrote: 
> Let's be completely honest though...if companies made products that they
> truly believed they could stand behind, they would offer lifetime
> unconditional warranties. Most companies these days are mediocre and
> care little about product quality and customer satisfaction, aside from
> the bare minimum required to acquire and maintain a customer base.

Everything eventually decays.  Plus who knows how the equipment is
situated, maybe by a heat source.  Good companies will replace the
equipment out of warranty if they think they are not being screwed. 
Get in the real world.


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Re: [slim] Time to see how SlimD's customer sevice is...

2007-11-04 Thread Pat Farrell
scatbass wrote:
> Let's be completely honest though...if companies made products that they
> truly believed they could stand behind, they would offer lifetime
> unconditional warranties. 

Can you name a single consumer electronics vendor with such a policy?


Do not feed the trolls

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Re: [slim] Time to see how SlimD's customer sevice is...

2007-11-04 Thread earthbased

Pat Farrell;240231 Wrote: 
> scatbass wrote:
> > Let's be completely honest though...if companies made products that
> they
> > truly believed they could stand behind, they would offer lifetime
> > unconditional warranties. 
> 
> Can you name a single consumer electronics vendor with such a policy?
> 
> 
> Do not feed the trolls

Not agreeing with poster, but AR replaced the woofers on my speakers 7
years after the warranty expired.


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Re: [slim] Time to see how SlimD's customer sevice is...

2007-11-04 Thread danco

Maybe it's a Europe/US difference, but two-year warranties are common
over here now. In fact I think it may be European law.

Regardless, out-of-warranty failures will always occur from time to
time.


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Re: [slim] Time to see how SlimD's customer sevice is...

2007-11-05 Thread ceejay

danco;240250 Wrote: 
> Maybe it's a Europe/US difference, but two-year warranties are common
> over here now. In fact I think it may be European law.
> 
> 

I'm quite sure there isn't a European law that says that warranties
have to be two years.  However there is consumer law that says that any
product has to be "fit for purpose", which means that it can be expected
to last for a "reasonable" time before it fails.  Any attempt to
unfairly limit that reasonable time by declaring a shorter "warranty"
period will be invalid.

There have been some instances of people successfully claiming that
they could reasonably have expected the item to have lasted for longer
before failing, and that the item therefore had to be repaired or
replaced regardless of the warranty status.

This of course only applies if the product was purchased in a
jurisdiction where such case law applies: if you bought it in the US
you have no chance, if you bought it in the UK then its possible.

However in these cases your claim is against the people that sold it to
you, not the manufacturer, so be prepared to have a very big argument
with them. Whether its worth it for a relatively cheap product only you
can say

Ceejay


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Re: [slim] Time to see how SlimD's customer sevice is...

2007-11-05 Thread Michael Herger
> I'm quite sure there isn't a European law that says that warranties
> have to be two years.

While I'm Swiss I would have said there is. At least in the German magazines 
I've been reading about it. And we're assimilating slowly in Switzerland :-).

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Re: [slim] Time to see how SlimD's customer sevice is...

2007-11-05 Thread Fifer

There is no Europe wide requirement for a two year warranty. The
Consumer Goods and Guarantees Directive mandates a two year period from
delivery within which consumers can claim against any non-conformity,
which is not quite the same thing (and UK law already sets that limit
at six years).


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Re: [slim] Time to see how SlimD's customer sevice is...

2007-11-05 Thread alstein

sts9fan;203520 Wrote: 
> So I have figured out(kinda) that my SB3 has a hardware issue. the guy
> from tech support agrees also.  For some reason it cannot obtain an IP
> address.  My SB2 is now working perfectly wireless so I know it is the
> SB3.  I have had it for <1.5 years which is out of the warranty range. 
> They say they will fix it for $90 which is not really good enough for
> me.  This thing should not fail this easy.  Any charges more then
> shipping and they have lost a customer and a HUGE advocate for these
> things.  I have told pretty much everyone who will listen about them
> and to buy the SB over other media servers. We will see.

Hi

I notice that Logitech now warrants the SB3 for 2 years. I would
suggest escalating to the a service supervisor. maybe they'll make an
exception and "grandfather" your SB3.


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Re: [slim] Time to see how SlimD's customer sevice is...

2007-11-05 Thread mparry

All sb3s now have a two year warranty. So long as you have a normal
covered by warranty repair there should be no charge.


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Re: [slim] Time to see how SlimD's customer sevice is...

2007-11-05 Thread Devans

sts9fan;203520 Wrote: 
> So I have figured out(kinda) that my SB3 has a hardware issue. the guy
> from tech support agrees also.  For some reason it cannot obtain an IP
> address.  My SB2 is now working perfectly wireless so I know it is the
> SB3.  I have had it for <1.5 years which is out of the warranty range. 
> They say they will fix it for $90 which is not really good enough for
> me.  This thing should not fail this easy.  Any charges more then
> shipping and they have lost a customer and a HUGE advocate for these
> things.  I have told pretty much everyone who will listen about them
> and to buy the SB over other media servers. We will see.

sts9fan,

The warranty on a Squeezebox 3 is 2 years.  I'm not sure who you spoke
to in Support, but I checked and there is no ticket created for this
incident. (unless you gave a different e-mail address)

Provided the failure was not from a drop on the floor, or a lightning
strike during a picnic, we should be able fix your player under
warranty.  It's all in the details, of course.

Please contact Support again either via phone or e-mail and we'll help
you sort this out.  Also feel free to contact me directly.


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Re: [slim] Time to see how SlimD's customer sevice is...

2007-11-05 Thread lanierb

Devans;240454 Wrote: 
> sts9fan,
> 
> The warranty on a Squeezebox 3 is 2 years.  I'm not sure who you spoke
> to in Support, but I checked and there is no ticket created for this
> incident. (unless you gave a different e-mail address)
> 
> Provided the failure was not from a drop on the floor, or a lightning
> strike during a picnic, we should be able fix your player under
> warranty.  It's all in the details, of course.
> 
> Please contact Support again either via phone or e-mail and we'll help
> you sort this out.  Also feel free to contact me directly.

Well there you have it.  Despite the fact that the customer acted like
an idiot by whining in a public forum before even trying to get his SB3
fixed, Slim Devices is still willing to politely help him.  Seems like
pretty good service to me.


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Re: [slim] Time to see how SlimD's customer sevice is...

2007-11-05 Thread Bizarroterl

If my 1951 Willys wagon ever breaks I expect they will fix it at no cost
to me.  If they don't I'll buy my next wagon from someone else!  ;-)


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Re: [slim] Time to see how SlimD's customer sevice is...

2007-11-06 Thread MrSinatra

btw, koss headphones have a lifetime guarantee.


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Re: [slim] Time to see how SlimD's customer sevice is...

2007-11-06 Thread MrSinatra

hmmm...

on the one hand, its just another electronic consumer device, what do
you expect?  on the other hand, its only for technically competent
people who are burr brown audiophiles...

on the one hand, NO company gives more than one year warranty, on the
other hand, as it turns out, slim gives two.

why is it ANY criticism gets all the fanboys out is such a chorus?

if the same thing happened to any of you, i'm sure you'd be none to
pleased.  so the guy complained, BIG DEAL.  sounds to me like he has a
legit complaint.

if i spent 300 or whatever on a TV or LCD monitor or whatever, u better
bet i'd raise hell if it died without cause, and I SHOULD.

now, i agree, the customer is not always right and can be at fault, and
perhaps that happens too often.  but why attack someone for just saying
they have a problem?

personally, i haven't had any hardware issues.  but i suspect logitech
isn't happy with just a niche market only, and if they can't appeal to
me, a techie type music fanatic, then they will have issues eventually.


my point is that i have definitely considered alternatives, like the
apple express and even the logitech dj.  i haven't switched b/c i've
found the slim solution to be an interesting challenge that has taught
me a lot, BUT if i were to have hardware failures within 5 years of my
purchase, that would mean that i'd switch to an easier, and cheaper,
product.

don't flame me either, its just an honest opinion.


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Re: [slim] Time to see how SlimD's customer sevice is...

2007-11-06 Thread snarlydwarf

MrSinatra;240566 Wrote: 
> 
> why is it ANY criticism gets all the fanboys out is such a chorus?
> 

No, the real question is: why on earth is this thread revived after 6
months?  Geesh, so much interesting stuff in the world, who cares about
hardware that failed and may or may not have been repaired six months
ago?


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Re: [slim] Time to see how SlimD's customer sevice is...

2007-11-09 Thread scatbass

Pat Farrell;240231 Wrote: 
> scatbass wrote:
> > Let's be completely honest though...if companies made products that
> they
> > truly believed they could stand behind, they would offer lifetime
> > unconditional warranties. 
> 
> Can you name a single consumer electronics vendor with such a policy?
> 
> 
> Do not feed the trolls

I'm hardly a troll...and I'm not stating that there are companies out
there that do support such a policy. I'm simply stating that, as a
society, I personally believe we would be better off if we DID support
such things. But we don't because we, as a society, are content with
cheap disposable Chinese crap ad nauseum. 

Answer this...why do I have appliances that were built in the 60s that
still run like a top, but any appliance I buy today can be expected to
break down within 5 years?

I digress. Back on topic, I'm pleased that SD did extend the warranty
to 2 years. I just called them 2 days ago, and they are covering my
broken-down SB 100%. Kudos to them.

Just had a similar experience with Canon. I have  digital camera that
is 4 years old...WELL outside the warranty period. Long story short,
the CCD died...it's a known common issue with this camera...and they
are repairing 100% free of charge, including shipping. And THAT my
friend is an example of a company willing to stand behind their
product.


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Re: [slim] Time to see how SlimD's customer sevice is...

2007-11-09 Thread Eric Seaberg

Since this thread is still semi-active, I wanted to give kudos to the
support staff at Logitech/Slim.  I have a Black SB3 that is BARELY
one-year old.  I purchased a Welborne Labs power supply kit and built
it (separate thread elsewhere) that FRIED the SB3 due to some shorted
components to the case of the PS.  SD gave me an RMA, looked at it and
repaired the 'simple' fix.

They COULD HAVE told me to blow off since it wasn't their fault, but
they didn't!  I've been dealing with lost/stolen luggage with the
airlines for the last two-weeks and TOTALLY appreciate a company that
understands what happened and, due to the minimal financial impact to
them, fixes it anyway knowing they didn't have to.

Logitech/Slim has my whole hearted support in the future.  They did
right by me and I'll do the same for them anytime!!

Thank you Enrico Principi, Slim Devices Returns.


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Re: [slim] Time to see how SlimD's customer sevice is...

2007-05-21 Thread JJZolx

sts9fan;203520 Wrote: 
> So I have figured out(kinda) that my SB3 has a hardware issue. the guy
> from tech support agrees also.  For some reason it cannot obtain an IP
> address.  My SB2 is now working perfectly wireless so I know it is the
> SB3.  I have had it for <1.5 years which is out of the warranty range. 
> They say they will fix it for $90 which is not really good enough for
> me.  This thing should not fail this easy.  Any charges more then
> shipping and they have lost a customer and a HUGE advocate for these
> things.  I have told pretty much everyone who will listen about them
> and to buy the SB over other media servers. We will see.

Get over it.  It's out of warranty.  Electronics have a certain failure
rate.  If you had two SB3s, one might live for 30 years.  

If it's the wireless module, see if they'll sell you one and pop it in
yourself, or else find out the model and buy one on the open market. 
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Re: [slim] Time to see how SlimD's customer sevice is...

2007-05-21 Thread sts9fan

I shall get over it.  Over to another product.  

I am sure you do not work in customer service.


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Re: [slim] Time to see how SlimD's customer sevice is...

2007-05-21 Thread snarlydwarf

99.99238% of the people who post here don't work for Slim or Logitech at
all.


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Re: [slim] Time to see how SlimD's customer sevice is...

2007-05-21 Thread Mitch Harding

He could have been more diplomatic, but I agree with his response.  Very few
companies will fix products for free once they are out of warranty.  What
would be the point of a warranty, otherwise?

On 5/21/07, sts9fan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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I shall get over it.  Over to another product.

I am sure you do not work in customer service.


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Re: [slim] Time to see how SlimD's customer sevice is...

2007-05-21 Thread Chris Laplante

Please post the warranty section of the other product that is greater than
one year...

If another product better meets your needs otherwise go for it, but really 1
year of support is typical anything after that is gravy. Sad as it sounds
that's the way it is. I've had $5k+ hifi gear, the policies are the same.

-Chris

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I shall get over it.  Over to another product.

I am sure you do not work in customer service.


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Re: [slim] Time to see how SlimD's customer sevice is...

2007-05-21 Thread Ben Sandee

On 5/21/07, Mitch Harding <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


He could have been more diplomatic, but I agree with his response.  Very
few companies will fix products for free once they are out of warranty.
What would be the point of a warranty, otherwise



To weed out 99% who are willing to accept it?  Unfortunately it seems that
if you complain enough you seem to get your way in this world.

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Re: [slim] Time to see how SlimD's customer sevice is...

2007-05-21 Thread haunyack

There is one thing I've noticed about Slim Devices Inc. -
Although they care passionately about the products and services they
provide and in turn bend over backwards to ensure added value with
top-notch support - they don't respond readily to "taking my business
somewhere else" statements.

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Re: [slim] Time to see how SlimD's customer sevice is...

2007-05-21 Thread Kevin O. Lepard
>they don't respond readily to "taking my business somewhere else" statements.

Nor should they.  I know that people say "the customer is always 
right" but I disagree.  The customer is not always right and not all 
potential customers are desirable ones.

That said, the product is out of warranty.  They offered to fix it 
and said what it would cost.  That seems fair to me.

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Re: [slim] Time to see how SlimD's customer sevice is...

2007-05-21 Thread tomjtx

sts9fan also posted this complaint on the audiocircle forum.

Seems like he is an equal opportunity whiner :-)


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Re: [slim] Time to see how SlimD's customer sevice is...

2007-05-21 Thread adamslim

Well I'm kinda with the OP in that it's always a pain where stuff breaks
down shortly after the warranty period; if I have to pay a third of the
new price for a repair I get irritated, to say the least.

However, the SB3 is a cheap, consumer product - they go wrong.  If I
pay Transporter prices, I expect truly decent service (and I strongly
prefer to go with companies that offer a warranty of more than a
year).

So I'd be annoyed in his place, but then I'd realise that it's only a
£200 device, most of my computer stuff goes wrong at least as quick as
this, calm down and see if I could get a network card myself.  Perfect
opportunity to open up the toy and have a play :)

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Re: [slim] Time to see how SlimD's customer sevice is...

2007-05-21 Thread konut

If you had payed with a MasterCard, you would have doubled the standard
warranty.


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Re: [slim] Time to see how SlimD's customer sevice is...

2007-05-21 Thread earthbased

sts9fan;203520 Wrote: 
> So I have figured out(kinda) that my SB3 has a hardware issue. the guy
> from tech support agrees also.  For some reason it cannot obtain an IP
> address.  My SB2 is now working perfectly wireless so I know it is the
> SB3.  I have had it for <1.5 years which is out of the warranty range. 
> They say they will fix it for $90 which is not really good enough for
> me.  This thing should not fail this easy.  Any charges more then
> shipping and they have lost a customer and a HUGE advocate for these
> things.  I have told pretty much everyone who will listen about them
> and to buy the SB over other media servers. We will see.

You should be able to send it is for diagnosis.  Electronic equipment
such as SB can easily be dropped so the 1 Year warranty is valid for
electronics as the drop may cause the device fail finally.  Other
products like Koni Shocks have life time guarantees because if you
trash them you most likely trashed your car.

EB


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Re: [slim] Time to see how SlimD's customer sevice is...

2007-05-22 Thread cliveb

JJZolx;203528 Wrote: 
> If it's the wireless module, see if they'll sell you one and pop it in
> yourself, or else find out the model and buy one on the open market. 
> You'd be taking a chance, but might save $50 or so.
Good point. But before you go to the expense of buying a replacement
wireless module, try hooking it up wired to see if that works. If it
doesn't, then I'd guess the chances are that replacing the wireless
module isn't going to fix it.


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Re: [slim] Time to see how SlimD's customer sevice is...

2007-05-22 Thread jimbres

If the wireless module is the culprit, consider buying something like
the D-Link DWL-G820 wireless gaming adapter to connect your SB3 to your
network via your ethernet port. This is what I do - not because my SB3
won't connect wirelessly but because the D-Link provides a more robust
connection with absolutely no dropouts.

Newegg is selling an open box D-Link for $53 (plus $6 shipping). A new
one will cost an extra $5.


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Re: [slim] Time to see how SlimD's customer sevice is...

2007-05-22 Thread Chip Hart
sts9fan wrote:
> So I have figured out(kinda) that my SB3 has a hardware issue. the guy
> from tech support agrees also.  For some reason it cannot obtain an IP
> address.  My SB2 is now working perfectly wireless so I know it is the
> SB3.  I have had it for <1.5 years which is out of the warranty range. 

As posted elsewhere, if you purchased this with a credit card, 
your replacement/fix should be covered by most credit cards.
Check first, obviously.

Meanwhile, I am not at all aware of any commercial electronic
product that comes with >1y warranty.  I know it sucks - the
same thing happened to me - but what are you going to do when
your next unit breaks?  Keep switching vendors?

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Re: [slim] Time to see how SlimD's customer sevice is...

2007-05-22 Thread Sike

But seriously ... what other vendor?

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