Re: [slim] Universal Remote - Philips Pronto NG

[Torgeir Veimo]

On Mon, 2005-03-14 at 17:42 -0500, Aaron Zinck wrote:
> > There would not be anyway to program them, as the remote does not generate
> > those codes.
> 
> Sure there would.  The squeezebox will recognize virtually all ir codes.

Not RC-5 codes. 

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Re: [slim] Universal Remote - Philips Pronto NG

[Aaron Zinck]

> There would not be anyway to program them, as the remote does not generate
> those codes.

Sure there would.  The squeezebox will recognize virtually all ir codes.

Let's say the "menu" button on your remote currently has no squeezebox
functionality.  You can monitor the d_ir debugging output to see what hex
codes are delivered when pressing the "menu" button.  Then just edit the .ir
and default.map files to make that button press accomplish what you want it
to accomplish.  This is a case of programming the device to match the
remote, rather than the other way around.



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Re: [slim] Universal Remote - Philips Pronto NG

[Michael Amster]

Chris Mason wrote:
I just programmed the MX-700 for the Squeezebox and several other devices,
it works very well with the exception of the lack of discrete codes. If all
you are doing is replacing remotes device for device it will work great, but
if you want to do any of the automation one generally needs to do to make
the system "One Button", you won't be able to establish the state of the
Squeebox. One trick is to use the play button to turn it on, as that will
turn it on but not off.
In the systems I am responsible for, the power button on the remote's main
page turns on the Projector, the DVD, the Sat. receiver, and the Squeezebox.
If the Squeezebox is on, it turns it off. This is a royal pain but not the
fault of the remote. The developers shoud recognize the needs of the
integrators and have secret discrete codes for the individual functions such
as On and Off.
I recommend the MX-700, it is easy to program and great to use. If anyone
needs the device file I am happy to share it.
Chris Mason
 

Chris:
I did one of my own and I echo your feelings on the MX-700.  I would 
love to see what you did since I just did the one for one mapping in 
learning mode.

-MA
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RE: [slim] Universal Remote - Philips Pronto NG

[Chris Mason]

 
> If you have more buttons available on your remote than are 
> available on 
> the standard remote shipped with the Squeezebox, you should probably 
> create your own .ir file.

There would not be anyway to program them, as the remote does not generate
those codes.

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RE: [slim] Universal Remote - Philips Pronto NG

[Chris Mason]

The MX-700 is programmed with the MX Editor software but does not allow the
imput of Hex codes, only pre-programmed libraries or learned codes. One has
to have a remote that will generate the code in order to learn it.

The re-assignable codes will make possible what I need. If I reassign
power_toggle to power_on, I think that will work. I have no need for a
power_off function, the Squeezebox can stay on all the time.

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> Aaron Zinck
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> 
> 
> "Chris Mason" wrote
> > I have no idea what that is. The MX-700 can only learn from IR codes
> > transmitted from the remote. I think you must be thinking 
> of a different
> > system.
> 
> I believe the MX-700 has a port in the side of it for 
> computer programming.
> That's probably what Marc's referring to.
> 
> Either way, he's right that the squeezebox supports discrete 
> on and off.
> You can turn on -d_ir and monitor the IR codes that the squeezebox is
> receiving on each keypress (it understands codes from virtually any ir
> device, it just ignores any that aren't ascribed 
> functionality in it's .ir
> files), then use those codes to create a new .ir file that 
> responds to any
> ir codes (not just JVC codes).  There are many functions that 
> aren't present
> on the squeezebox remote but which are supported (discrete 
> on/off are just
> one of those functions).  Take a look at the .ir file and the 
> default.map
> file, you'll see pretty quickly how it works.
> 
> 
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Re: [slim] Universal Remote - Philips Pronto NG

[Marc Sherman]

Chris Mason wrote:
So if I change 

power   = power_toggle
To 

power   = power_on
The unit will only be turned on with the power code? I have no need of
turning it off.
I haven't tested it, but that should work.
If you have more buttons available on your remote than are available on 
the standard remote shipped with the Squeezebox, you should probably 
create your own .ir file.

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Re: [slim] Universal Remote - Philips Pronto NG

[Aaron Zinck]

"Chris Mason" wrote
> I have no idea what that is. The MX-700 can only learn from IR codes
> transmitted from the remote. I think you must be thinking of a different
> system.

I believe the MX-700 has a port in the side of it for computer programming.
That's probably what Marc's referring to.

Either way, he's right that the squeezebox supports discrete on and off.
You can turn on -d_ir and monitor the IR codes that the squeezebox is
receiving on each keypress (it understands codes from virtually any ir
device, it just ignores any that aren't ascribed functionality in it's .ir
files), then use those codes to create a new .ir file that responds to any
ir codes (not just JVC codes).  There are many functions that aren't present
on the squeezebox remote but which are supported (discrete on/off are just
one of those functions).  Take a look at the .ir file and the default.map
file, you'll see pretty quickly how it works.




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RE: [slim] Universal Remote - Philips Pronto NG

[Chris Mason]

So if I change 

power   = power_toggle

To 

power   = power_on


The unit will only be turned on with the power code? I have no need of
turning it off.



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> 
> 
> Chris Mason wrote:
> > I have no idea what that is. The MX-700 can only learn from 
> IR codes 
> > transmitted from the remote. I think you must be thinking of a
> > different system.
> 
> You should make yourself familiar with the facilities provided by the 
> slimserver developers before you criticize them for not 
> "recognize[ing] 
> the needs of the integrators".
> 
> .../IR/Default.map and .../IR/*.ir are the files that define 
> the mapping 
> from IR codes to server functions.  You can edit them to 
> integrate a new 
> remote control.
> 
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Re: [slim] Universal Remote - Philips Pronto NG

[Marc Sherman]

Chris Mason wrote:
I have no idea what that is. The MX-700 can only learn from IR codes 
transmitted from the remote. I think you must be thinking of a
different system.
You should make yourself familiar with the facilities provided by the 
slimserver developers before you criticize them for not "recognize[ing] 
the needs of the integrators".

.../IR/Default.map and .../IR/*.ir are the files that define the mapping 
from IR codes to server functions.  You can edit them to integrate a new 
remote control.

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RE: [slim] Universal Remote - Philips Pronto NG

[Chris Mason]

I have no idea what that is. The MX-700 can only learn from IR codes
transmitted from the remote. I think you must be thinking of a different
system.

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> 
> 
> Chris Mason wrote:
> > In the systems I am responsible for, the power button on 
> the remote's main
> > page turns on the Projector, the DVD, the Sat. receiver, 
> and the Squeezebox.
> > If the Squeezebox is on, it turns it off. This is a royal 
> pain but not the
> > fault of the remote. The developers shoud recognize the needs of the
> > integrators and have secret discrete codes for the 
> individual functions such
> > as On and Off.
> 
> You're right, it's not the fault of the remote; it's your fault. 
> Default.map defines discrete power_off and power_on.  Feel free to 
> assign unique IR codes to those functions in your mx700.ir file.  You 
> did create a custom mx700.ir file as part of your 
> "integration", right?
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Re: [slim] Universal Remote - Philips Pronto NG

[Marc Sherman]

Chris Mason wrote:
In the systems I am responsible for, the power button on the remote's main
page turns on the Projector, the DVD, the Sat. receiver, and the Squeezebox.
If the Squeezebox is on, it turns it off. This is a royal pain but not the
fault of the remote. The developers shoud recognize the needs of the
integrators and have secret discrete codes for the individual functions such
as On and Off.
You're right, it's not the fault of the remote; it's your fault. 
Default.map defines discrete power_off and power_on.  Feel free to 
assign unique IR codes to those functions in your mx700.ir file.  You 
did create a custom mx700.ir file as part of your "integration", right?

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RE: [slim] Universal Remote - Philips Pronto NG

[Chris Mason]

I just programmed the MX-700 for the Squeezebox and several other devices,
it works very well with the exception of the lack of discrete codes. If all
you are doing is replacing remotes device for device it will work great, but
if you want to do any of the automation one generally needs to do to make
the system "One Button", you won't be able to establish the state of the
Squeebox. One trick is to use the play button to turn it on, as that will
turn it on but not off.
In the systems I am responsible for, the power button on the remote's main
page turns on the Projector, the DVD, the Sat. receiver, and the Squeezebox.
If the Squeezebox is on, it turns it off. This is a royal pain but not the
fault of the remote. The developers shoud recognize the needs of the
integrators and have secret discrete codes for the individual functions such
as On and Off.
I recommend the MX-700, it is easy to program and great to use. If anyone
needs the device file I am happy to share it.

Chris Mason

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Re: [slim] Universal Remote - Philips Pronto NG

[Dondi Fusco]

My $.02 as to Universal Remotes My Harmony 768 has
performed flawlessly for my for more than a year now
and controls EVERYTHING I own... even my appliances,
downloads TV listings, controls the SB, LCD-TV, VCR,
DVD player, Windows Media Cntr Edition, lights, air
conditioner, fireplace, thermostat, stereo and all
linked to activities, so if I wanted to create an
activity lets say 'Play Reggae music with
visualizations'... the remote would cycle through the
LCD-TV's inputs, select INPUT PC, select DIGITAL2 on
the HomeTheater, navigate to MyMusic inside Windows
Media Center, select the correct playlist, hit PLAY
and then cycle down to the VISUALIZATIONS button and
select that to turn on the psychadelic Vizs in MCE,
all with a single press of a button... kinda cool and
it works with no issues, unless you point the remote
away from the devices. Harmony has all codes and any
it doesnt it learns and then uploads to its online
database

Again I have the 768.. a bit pricier, a little smaller
and alot more functionality than the more popular 688
model, but definately worth it in the long run, for me
anyhow.
-- Dondi

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> Hi
> I know its not actually to do with Squeezebox, but
> do any users have experience of the Pronto NG
> universal remote by philips? Especially with regard
> to using their SB with it?
> I am looking for a "one-for-all" solution to the
> miriad of remotes I now have. 
> I remember some comments on the harmony remotes -
> but liked the look of this touch screen device
> 
> Any comments/experiences welcomed!!
> 
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Re: [slim] Universal Remote - Philips Pronto NG

[Jeff Allison]

Nic Wardle wrote:
Hi
I know its not actually to do with Squeezebox, but do any users
>  have experience of the Pronto NG universal remote by philips
> ? Especially with regard to using their SB with it?
I am looking for a "one-for-all" solution to the miriad of 
> remotes I now have.  I remember some comments on the harmony
> remotes - but liked the look of this touch screen device
I don't have an NG, but I have used an older Pronto for several years. 
It works fine with the SB.  In fact there are a couple of CCF files on 
Slim's website:   More 
CCF files can be found at remotecentral.com.

As others have pointed out, the touchscreen is not an ideal remote 
control interface.  It's great for flexibile programming, but you don't 
get any tactile feedback from it.  Couple that with the fact that the SB 
 processes remote control buttons on the server side, resulting in a 
variable delay, and you can encounter some frustration.

- Jeff
Any comments/experiences welcomed!!
Nic
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Re: [slim] Universal Remote - Philips Pronto NG (Now Harmony Endorsement)

[Thomas B. Malsbury]

Danny Rego wrote:
- Original Message - From: "Nic Wardle" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Hi
I know its not actually to do with Squeezebox, but do any users have 
experience of the Pronto NG
universal remote by philips? Especially with regard to using their SB 
with it?
I am looking for a "one-for-all" solution to the miriad of remotes I 
now have.
I remember some comments on the harmony remotes - but liked the look 
of this touch screen device

Any comments/experiences welcomed!!
Nic
Just to get my 2 cents inthe Harmony 688 is an excellent remote, 
and for the first time EVER, I have been using ONE REMOTE for 15 devices.

...and it's easy for the wife to use.
Danny Rego
I would have to agree that the Harmony 688 has far exceeded my 
expectations.  I found the web based programing easy to use, and very 
customizable.  They already had the SlimDevices remote on record, but 
the buttons were mapped in an odd configuration.  It was very easy to go 
in and reassign functions to the buttons I thought more naturally 
represented.  I was even able to map codes that hadn't been assigned to 
any key yet such as "Sleep" and "Brightness". I also like how the "One 
Touch" buttons can split the remote functions.  I press "Play Music" and 
my SLIMP3 comes on, the Receive comes on and switches to the correct 
input. The remote then controls the SLIMP3 with all the assigned keys, 
but I chose to have the volume mapped to the Receiver.  I have is setup 
similarly for the cable box and my ReplayTV. All volume commands are run 
through the receive when in the "One Touch" mode, but I can still 
control the volume of any component when I explicitly pick that device.

I did have the first one I purchased quite on me after about 9 months.  
I contacted Logitech customer support, and they ran through a few test 
with me and determined that it was a hardware failure and apologized and 
rushed me out a new one. Within 48 hours a new one was sitting on my 
front step with a return package to ship the defective one back.  A week 
later I got an email confirming that the unit I returned was defective 
and that they considered the matter resolved.  It literally to 30 
minutes of my time to resolve the problem.  I can only think of 
SlimDevices as a company that I have had better support from.

If you are really into a remote that has more of a display then the 
Harmony 688 or 680 then you may want to hold out for the new Harmony 880

http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/detailsharmony/US/EN,CRID=2084,CONTENTID=9933
It seems to do away with my one complaint about the 688, the small 
rubbery buttons around the perimeter of the display.

Tom Malsbury
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Re: [slim] Universal Remote - Philips Pronto NG

[Jeffrey Gordon]

Nic Wardle wrote:
Hi
I know its not actually to do with Squeezebox, but do any users have experience 
of the Pronto NG universal remote by philips? Especially with regard to using 
their SB with it?
I am looking for a "one-for-all" solution to the miriad of remotes I now have.
I remember some comments on the harmony remotes - but liked the look of this 
touch screen device
Any comments/experiences welcomed!!
Nic
I have not used the NG, however I did use the Pronto TSU-1000 for a few
years.  I HATED it and only used it for so long because I felt obligated
to give it a try.  Biggest problem is a touchscreen interface is the
WORST interface for a remote control.  I currently have a Harmony 680
and think it is the best remote I have used.  My wife also loves the
Harmony, and she had even stronger feelings against the Pronto.


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Re: [slim] Universal Remote - Philips Pronto NG

[Danny Rego]

Just to get my 2 cents inthe Harmony 688 is an excellent remote, and for 
the first time EVER, I have been using ONE REMOTE for 15 devices.

...and it's easy for the wife to use.
Danny Rego
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Hi
I know its not actually to do with Squeezebox, but do any users have 
experience of the Pronto NG universal remote by philips? Especially with 
regard to using their SB with it?
I am looking for a "one-for-all" solution to the miriad of remotes I now 
have.
I remember some comments on the harmony remotes - but liked the look of 
this touch screen device

Any comments/experiences welcomed!!
Nic
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