Re: [slim] Where will the Squeezebox be assembled in the future?
Bear in mind, that I have a Logitech Mouse and Keyboard. And these work fine, mighty fine, but... Logitech branded Squeezeboxes? YUCK! Logitech branded Transporters? YUCK! As much as Logitech tries what they produce is most definitely not high-end. Good quality, but NOT high-end. I hope you are speculating...are you? These components (at least the Transporter) are high-end. If they change that (including their being assembled in the west) then I am most certainly off to buy other products. Giacomo -- gbruzzo gbruzzo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3633 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33011 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Where will the Squeezebox be assembled in the future?
In another thread Sean has said that as the need arises more and more assembly of the Squeezebox is being done in China, largely based on manufacturing efficiency. The Transporter is currently being assembled in CA with some locally sourced components (the chassis) and with foreign components and assemblies. -- 4mula1 4mula1's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3439 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33011 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Where will the Squeezebox be assembled in the future?
gbruzzo wrote: > Bear in mind, that I have a Logitech Mouse and Keyboard. And these work > fine, mighty fine, but... > > Logitech branded Squeezeboxes? YUCK! > Logitech branded Transporters? YUCK! > > As much as Logitech tries what they produce is most definitely not > high-end. Good quality, but NOT high-end. > What exactly *is* a hi-end mouse? An Apple mouse? A Porsche mouse? > I hope you are speculating...are you? > > These components (at least the Transporter) are high-end. If they > change that (including their being assembled in the west) then I am > most certainly off to buy other products. > > Giacomo > Some snobs are not so much concerned with quality but more with the status of the badge that's on it. Funny thing is that with modern digital technology that concept is more or less outdated. What's the best mobile phone? A Sony Ericsson? A Nokia? A Samsung? You can buy it for less than a 1000 bucks, and no matter how much more you'd be willing to spend, you can't buy anything better! Is there anything more pathetic than this? http://www.engadget.com/2005/02/07/the-54-000-diamond-crusted-samsung-sph-e3200/ That's why the real snobs don't go digital at all: http://www.audiophilia.com/hardware/radius.htm Digital is the great equalizer... ;) Regards, Peter ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Where will the Squeezebox be assembled in the future?
Nostromo;182653 Wrote: > OTOH, what will happen to the folks in the States who used to assemble > it? They will have to either work in fast food or retail. I'm surprised it hasn't it been cloned/reverse engineered yet, being assembled over there. I want my $100 squeezebox! -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33011 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Where will the Squeezebox be assembled in the future?
I must have touched an ideological nerve... hehehe Still, I think a Logitech Transporter simply does not make sense. Maybe a Squeezebox, but certainly not a Transporter. If Fiat were to sell rebadged Ferraris (they own Ferrari) they would, I assure you, lose customers). Regards to you Peter Giacomo -- gbruzzo gbruzzo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3633 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33011 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Where will the Squeezebox be assembled in the future?
Skunk;182777 Wrote: > They will have to either work in fast food or retail. > > I'm surprised it hasn't it been cloned/reverse engineered yet, being > assembled over there. I want my $100 squeezebox! Just imagine: Zhaolu Network Streamer! $100 indeed. Head-Fi will burst with thousands of discussions. Nobody will notice that it's not exactly the same design, somewhat simplified approach with less attention to quality, PLL design instead of dedicated crystals, etc But who cares, cheap stuff RULEZ!!! -- 325xi simaudio nova cdp >> simaudio moon i-5 >> revel performa m20 via acoustic zen matrix reference ii and acoustic zen satori -planned additions:... >> deq2496 >> lavry da-10 >>...- 325xi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5661 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33011 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Where will the Squeezebox be assembled in the future?
325xi;182794 Wrote: > Just imagine: Zhaolu Network Streamer! $100 indeed. The saving grace may be that they will use USB rather than TCP. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33011 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Where will the Squeezebox be assembled in the future?
Skunk;182797 Wrote: > The saving grace may be that they will use USB rather than TCP. Doubt so, there're too many USB->SPDIF converters are already exist these days... -- 325xi simaudio nova cdp >> simaudio moon i-5 >> revel performa m20 via acoustic zen matrix reference ii and acoustic zen satori -planned additions:... >> deq2496 >> lavry da-10 >>...- 325xi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5661 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33011 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Where will the Squeezebox be assembled in the future?
325xi;182799 Wrote: > Doubt so, there're too many USB->SPDIF converters are already exist > these days... You think? -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33011 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Where will the Squeezebox be assembled in the future?
4mula1;182740 Wrote: > In another thread Sean has said that as the need arises more and more > assembly of the Squeezebox is being done in China, largely based on > manufacturing efficiency. The Transporter is currently being assembled > in CA with some locally sourced components (the chassis) and with > foreign components and assemblies. Interesting. -- Nostromo Nostromo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6322 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33011 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Where will the Squeezebox be assembled in the future?
gbruzzo;182729 Wrote: > As much as Logitech tries what they produce is most definitely not > high-end. Good quality, but NOT high-end. > If the diNovo Edge keyboards and Revolution mice aren't high end I don't know what is. > I hope you are speculating...are you? No, Sean said they will wear the Logitech brand. > These components (at least the Transporter) are high-end. If they change > that (including their being assembled in the west) then I am most > certainly off to buy other products. > > Giacomo And how is being assembled in the west make it high-end? It only makes it more expensive. -- Nostromo Nostromo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6322 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33011 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Where will the Squeezebox be assembled in the future?
I was afraid this would degenerate in a anti-Logitech thread. :( -- Nostromo Nostromo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6322 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33011 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Where will the Squeezebox be assembled in the future?
Nostromo;182653 Wrote: > Squeezebox's are currently being assembled in California. Out of > curiosity, where will the new Logitech branded Squeezeboxes and > Transporters be assembled? In China? If so, it could mean cheaper > Squeezeboxes and Transporters, probably with better parts and build > quality. And that would be good. OTOH, what will happen to the folks in > the States who used to assemble it? I think it's a fair guess that Logitech wouldn't sell a lot of $300 Squeezeboxes in stores. Moving the manufacturing of the current Squeezebox design to China and taking advantage of economies of scale could easily cut that price in half. I'm guessing there may also be a cheaper design in the works (although there's not much you can remove from a Squezebox - maybe the digital out). As for the Transporter - who knows. The Logitech branding alone could kill the product (damned snobs). Even more so than the $300 Squeezebox, there's no place for a $2000 music player in the common retail outlets like Best Buy and Circuit City. Cut that price to $1000 and it wouldn't make much difference. I don't see it making much headway into audio shops, so the only viable means of distribution will likely continue to be direct sales. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33011 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Where will the Squeezebox be assembled in the future?
the thread will not degenerate! I have used Logitech peripherals for a long time, and some of them are quite appealing (The latest MX revolution mouse is quite a good product). I second what you say about the new plexiglass bluetooth keyboard. Some of my comments were (willingly) cast with the aim of provoking some reaction (and they did!). It may well be that the Transporter has a future among some of the more sophisticated products that Logitech has been developing of late (MX revolution mouse, super keyboard etc) most of which are priced accordingly. I just have the feeling that a complete rebrand would not be in line with the image of Slimdevices (at least as far as I perceive it - there maybe margins for debate here!). Somehow I resisted buying any of the other offerings (Roku, Sonos etc) because a) the company is run by maniacal audiophiles with an understanding and love of high end kit; b) a large portion of the community consists of very helpful and equally maniacal users, many of which possess a strong inclination towards understanding and modifying the products (both hardware and software); c) the products (initially SB3 and now a Transporter as far as I am concerned) are actually quite spectacular. I dread an excess of product "homogenisation", which may (but then again might not!) strip this remarkable community of its quirkyness and originality, by sinking Slimdevices into the vast sea of Logitech products. As I said above, Fiat may own Ferrari, but Ferrari-engined Fiats (they have existed) were never very successful... Regards, Giacomo -- gbruzzo gbruzzo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3633 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33011 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Where will the Squeezebox be assembled in the future?
JJZolx;182822 Wrote: > > As for the Transporter - who knows. The Logitech branding alone could > kill the product (damned snobs). Even more so than the $300 > Squeezebox, there's no place for a $2000 music player in the common > retail outlets like Best Buy and Circuit City. Cut that price to $1000 > and it wouldn't make much difference. I don't see it making much > headway into audio shops, so the only viable means of distribution will > likely continue to be direct sales. Weird how brand names affect things... the Logitech brand would certainly do better in a BestBuy, but not for expensive stuff... On the other hand, if they label it right, "Logitech SlimDevices" or something, they may do okay in high end audio shops: many of them do sell Harmony remotes which are getting more and more Logitech logos and less Harmony every packaging change... so there is somewhat of a foothold for them there. Hard to say: people are so fickle with toys sometimes -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33011 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Where will the Squeezebox be assembled in the future?
If people dont care about branding or looks, fine. If people do, that fine also. Gone are the days where people bought stuff solely on how well they perform their given task. Look at the Moto RAZR, dog of a phone to use, terrible battery life, poor reception and shocking UI. But it was they best selling phone of the year because people wanted to be seen with a phone that looks like that. As we say here in the UK "there's nout stranger than folk". People forget that these are not microwaves, they are lifestyle products that sitting in pride of place in there living room next. Call people snobs, but thats the way it is. If companies dont take that seriously, they will suffer. Personally though, i think there are more pressing things to worry about. Such as if people think that in 2 years or so the Logitech Squeezebox 5 still runs on open source software, they are in for a shock. It not in Logitechs ethos, no mater what the marketing boys around here will say at the moment. Partly because What i think will happen long term is that Logitech will sell loads of units, but as it becomes more mainstream they will dumb thing down a little and the hardcore enthusiasts will drift.But the world will keep spinning. -- autopilot *SlimServer:* 6.5.1 (Windows XP) + AlienBBC, SlimScrobbler & Last.FM. *Amp:* Cambridge Audio 640a (living room) / Denon MD30 (bedroom). *Speakers:* Mission 701's (living room) / Kef Cresta 1's (bedroom). *Remote:* T-Mobile MDA Vario / Sony PSP / Harmony 525 (IR). *Clients:* 1 Squeezebox 3 + Softsqueeze. 'LAST.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/domrevans/) autopilot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1763 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33011 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Where will the Squeezebox be assembled in the future?
autopilot;182834 Wrote: > the hardcore enthusiasts will drift The hardcore enthusiasts that were at one time contributing significantly to the open source software left long ago. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33011 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Where will the Squeezebox be assembled in the future?
> The hardcore enthusiasts that were at one time contributing > significantly to the open source software left long ago. ...like kdf, triode, Fred? Please subscribe to the checkins list and follow the development before you start telling even more nonsense. -- Michael - http://www.herger.net/SlimCD - your SlimServer on a CD http://www.herger.net/slim - AlbumReview, Biography, MusicInfoSCR ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Where will the Squeezebox be assembled in the future?
that a lot will have to do not with black or white, but with degrees of grey. Not whether, but to what degree...Could very well be that Logitech will leverage part of the image of Slimdevices for its own return, that is as a further example that Logitech is "going upstream" and introducing very high level products. The issue is that Slimdevices matters to those who use it, but is per se not a very known brand, and thus quite easy to shape into something different. I hope we will witness a slow absorbtion a la Harmony. Giacomo -- gbruzzo gbruzzo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3633 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33011 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Where will the Squeezebox be assembled in the future?
> ...like kdf, triode, Fred? (sorry Ben, Felix and the others I forgot - I not even tried to count the active plugin developpers) -- Michael - http://www.herger.net/SlimCD - your SlimServer on a CD http://www.herger.net/slim - AlbumReview, Biography, MusicInfoSCR ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Where will the Squeezebox be assembled in the future?
gbruzzo wrote: > I must have touched an ideological nerve... > > hehehe > > Still, I think a Logitech Transporter simply does not make sense. > Maybe a Squeezebox, but certainly not a Transporter. If Fiat were to > sell rebadged Ferraris (they own Ferrari) they would, I assure you, > lose customers). ...but they'd gain a *lot* more. I'd buy one. R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Where will the Squeezebox be assembled in the future?
JJZolx wrote: > autopilot;182834 Wrote: >> the hardcore enthusiasts will drift > > The hardcore enthusiasts that were at one time contributing > significantly to the open source software left long ago. Utter bollocks. A lot of them now work for Slim. Most of the others are regular contributors. As Michael says, monitor the checkins list for details. Where do you get this stuff? Are you living in some parallel universe? Or just a troll? R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Where will the Squeezebox be assembled in the future?
gbruzzo;182791 Wrote: > If Fiat were to sell rebadged Ferraris (they own Ferrari) they would, I > assure you, lose customers. Actually this sort of happened in 1968 - it was called the Dino and it sold a lot by Ferrari standards. -- Jez Jez Hildred Business Manager Streaming Music Systems Logitech http://www.last.fm/user/Kadosh/ Jez's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4300 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33011 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
