Re: [discuss] Re: OPENOFFICE CALC

[Ian Lynch]

On Tue, 2006-03-21 at 08:30 +0100, Henrik Sundberg wrote:
> 2006/3/21, Bob Long <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > As the value of 0^0 seems to depend on context to some extent (either 1 or
> > undefined), perhaps it should be an option in Tools|Options|OpenOffice.org
> > Calc.|Calculate. Something like a checkbox saying "Define 0^0=1, else
> > undefined".
> 
> I consider this the worst solution. There are very many options
> already. Don't add options that probably no one will use. 0^0=1 will
> hurt the fewest number of persons I think.
> 
> This is from another thread:
> >> 1. Spreadsheat formulas seem to ignore the precedence of the power
> >> -(A1-B1)^2 is not resolved to -((A1-B1)^2) instead it seems to be
> >> (-(A1-B1))^2.
> >
> > If I'm correct, then this works exactly like in Microsoft Excel, doesn't it?
> > It's a weired trade off, but seems like a logical necessity.
> 
> I think it is strange to be this pedantic about 0^0, and not care
> about math at all when it comes to normal cases like this. Are we
> looking for compatibility with Microsoft or math?

Why not make the option only available *if* the error occurs, that way
no-one needs to bother about any additional options if they don't ever
use 0^0. If they do there is a warning and a choice offered.

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Re: [discuss] Re: OPENOFFICE CALC

[Daniel Carrera]

Henrik Sundberg wrote:

I think it is strange to be this pedantic about 0^0, and not care
about math at all when it comes to normal cases like this. Are we
looking for compatibility with Microsoft or math?


I am a mathematecian, and not exactly a Microsoft fan. So I'll vote for 
math of course (and I can get very pedantic about this). Though, in the 
case of 0^0 math doesn't provide an unambiguous answer because in the 
strictest sense 0^0 doesn't make sense. In some (not all) instances it 
is convenient (not required) to define it (notice, a definition) as 1.


I think that defining it as 1 for Calc will hurt more people than 
defining it as an error.


One alternative is: If a cell ever gets 0^0 Calc makes it 1 the way you 
want, but the user gets a pop-up warning him of this fact. And possibly 
giving him the option of changing that behaviour, or not show the 
warning again (like Firefox does with encrypted sites).


Best,
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[discuss] Databases in OOo - now and in future

[Uwe Fischer]

Hi,

I would like to know how you use the database component of OpenOffice.org.

Do you use Base to maintain your databases?
If yes, which database format (hsqldb, mysql, dBase, ??)
If no, why not? What must be improved to use it?

What part of the database file window do you use most, the plain Tables, 
the Queries, the Forms, or the Reports?


Did you create tables, queries, forms, or reports manually or using the 
wizards?


What can be improved?
For example, which export file formats do you want in addition to the 
current formats?
Is the current online help sufficient? Which topics need a better 
documentation?


Regards
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Re: [discuss] Databases in OOo - now and in future

[mfioretti]

Uwe Fischer wrote:

> I would like to know how you use the database component of OpenOffice.org.
..

> What can be improved?

Full Interoperability and database portability with other office suites, or
any other program for that matter (hopefully through the use of SQLITE):

http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7800

HTH,
Marco Fioretti


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Re: [discuss] Times and Helvetica is not in the list

[S P Arif Sahari Wibowo]

On Mon, 20 Mar 2006, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
Times new Roman and Helvetica are prorprietary fonts AFAK and 
some distros dont include it. I rather use Nimbus Serif.


I don't use Times new Roman. Times and Helvetica are part of 
standard Postscript Fonts, together with Courier and Symbols. 
Any system that can produce postscript file need to have those 
fonts. Indeed my system have -adobe-times*, -adobe-helvetica*, 
-cronyx-times*, and -cronyx-helvetica* fonts.


Nimbus in the other hand is non-standard fonts.

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Re: [discuss] Databases in OOo - now and in future

[Sophie Gautier]

Hi Uwe,

Uwe Fischer wrote:

Hi,

I would like to know how you use the database component of OpenOffice.org.


Thanks for asking :) I'm forwarding your request to our FR project and 
will send you our users feedback here.


Kind regards
Sophie

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[discuss] Re: [users] Times and Helvetica is not in the list

[S P Arif Sahari Wibowo]

On Tue, 21 Mar 2006, Ross Johnson wrote:

Open OOo and go to "File - Wizards - Get Fonts from the Web".


I tried it. And indeed the fonts will show in *new* documents 
only.


But when I opened old documents (created by OOo 2.0.0 or older), 
that actually have texts in Times and Helvetica, the fonts would 
not show in the list. The text that supposedly in Times and 
Helvetica, would not shown nor printed using the Times and 
Helvetica that just downloaded.


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[discuss] Re: Databases in OOo - now and in future

[Mechtilde]

Hello,
hallo Uwe
Uwe Fischer schrieb:

Hi,

I would like to know how you use the database component of OpenOffice.org.

It's a good idea to ask for the experience of the users.


Do you use Base to maintain your databases?

yes. There are no better frontends for using databases under Linux.


If yes, which database format (hsqldb, mysql, dBase, ??)

I use mysql.

If no, why not? What must be improved to use it?
But I think it's also interested for using Postgresql and the 
"Jet-engine" which is under MS-Access to use this from Linux.


What part of the database file window do you use most, the plain Tables, 
the Queries, the Forms, or the Reports?

Forms and reports for the daily using the database.

Did you create tables, queries, forms, or reports manually or using the 
wizards?

For the administration I use the design view creating tables and queries.
For forms and reports I use the wizard. I don't know how to create 
reports manually.



What can be improved?
A great problem is to install all parts of the needed driver. 
Import-Drivers as it is possible.
For example, which export file formats do you want in addition to the 
current formats?
Is the current online help sufficient? Which topics need a better 
documentation?

No, no
It's very difficult to find exact information about OOo 2.0 - Base. But 
I do my best to improve it ;-))
We need a better dokumentation about the possible dialogs what we can 
choose eg by creating tables or querries.

There are many differents between the databases.

and so on.

Mechtilde

PS.: we need also a good reference about basic.

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Re: [discuss] Re: OPENOFFICE CALC

[Daniel Carrera]

Liberty wrote:

Every Calculator, Spreadsheet, Compiler, and Interperter, that I've seen
defines 0^0 as 1. If Calc handles it differently than other programs it could
cause compatabilty issues.  


Compatibility is a fair argument. The first calculator I tried (the one 
that comes with Gnome) gave me an error. Then I tried KSpread, and that 
gave me a blank cell. Then I tried Gnumeric and it gave me an error.


Cheers,
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[discuss] Re: OPENOFFICE CALC

[Liberty]

On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 09:16:22 +, Daniel Carrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>
>I am a mathematecian, and not exactly a Microsoft fan. So I'll vote for 
>math of course (and I can get very pedantic about this). Though, in the 
>case of 0^0 math doesn't provide an unambiguous answer because in the 
>strictest sense 0^0 doesn't make sense. In some (not all) instances it 
>is convenient (not required) to define it (notice, a definition) as 1.
>
>I think that defining it as 1 for Calc will hurt more people than 
>defining it as an error.

Every Calculator, Spreadsheet, Compiler, and Interperter, that I've seen
defines 0^0 as 1. If Calc handles it differently than other programs it could
cause compatabilty issues.  
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Re: [discuss] Re: OPENOFFICE CALC

[Daniel Carrera]

Liberty wrote:

IN x^y when both approach zero the result approaches 1.


NO IT DOESN'T. That would be true only if y is an analytic function of 
x. It need not be. Think back to vector calculus. You have a function of 
two variables:


f(x,y) = x^y

You want to take the limit of this function as (x,y) -> (0,0).

First you consider the case where you approach along the x-axis (y = 0) 
and you get 1. Then you consider the case where you approach along the 
y-axis (x = 0) and you get 0. At this point you conclude that the limit 
is not defined.


This is the third time I give this example. Aren't people listening? It 
is *NOT* true that x^y approaches 1, it DOESN'T. It only approaches 1 in 
a special case i.e. if you approach along the a curve y = f(x) where 
f(x) is analytic. For example, y = 0 satisfies that criteria, and indeed 
you get 1. But x = 0 does not satisfy that criteria and you don't get 1, 
you get 0.


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[discuss] Re: Databases in OOo - now and in future

[Manolis Christodoulou]

Uwe Fischer wrote:

Hi,

I would like to know how you use the database component of OpenOffice.org.

Do you use Base to maintain your databases?


Some times, when I want to copy/replicate tables from one database to 
another.



If yes, which database format (hsqldb, mysql, dBase, ??)


hsqldb, mysql and paradox.


If no, why not? What must be improved to use it?


The thing that prevents me sometimes is that I can not have a subform 
with a table object showing fields from more that the table the subform 
belongs. Of course I can have a view instead, based on a query, but then 
I can not edit it.



What part of the database file window do you use most, the plain Tables, 
the Queries, the Forms, or the Reports?




Plain tables and Forms.

Did you create tables, queries, forms, or reports manually or using the 
wizards?


both.



What can be improved?


More automatic tasks without need of coding.



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Re: [discuss] OpenOffice.org Premium 2.0.2

[Alexis Pigeon]

Hi Chad,

On 21/03/06, Chad Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

5)  You multiposted to users@ and discuss@ with a suspicious looking email.
> In the last few weeks, we've been getting a lot of SPAM that way.
>

Could you tell me how you define a suspicious looking email? One coming from
a broad email provider (thus easy to register to), made of a combination of
letters and numbers, or one coming from the openoffice.org domain? I would
actually trust far more the latter than the former as far as downloads are
concerned... ;)

Cheers,
alexis

Re: [discuss] OpenOffice.org Premium 2.0.2

[Chad Smith]

On 3/21/06, Szalai Kálmán <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Why do you think it is spam? I just send this letter to inform about
> Openoffice related product. It is a same product with extras.


1)  Because all you said was "Download this here now!!!" - that's very spam
like.

2)  You didn't tell us what OOo Preimum was.

3)  You sent the same message at least 3 times.

4)  When someone asked you a question about it - all you did was send the
same uninformative message back to the list (again).

5)  You multiposted to users@ and discuss@ with a suspicious looking email.
In the last few weeks, we've been getting a lot of SPAM that way.

6)  Without a preface, introduction - or even a link to information about
this "OOo Premium" - we could have been downloading anything.  There was no
way of knowing what OOoP was, is, or why I would ever want to download it.
As was pointed out - it could have been a virus, spyware, adware, or
malware.

At this point - I do appreciate the effort in putting it together, and in
sending us the link.  But please, next time, give us some information about
something before telling us to download it.

Thanks.

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Re: [discuss] OpenOffice.org Premium 2.0.2

[Chad Smith]

On 3/21/06, Alexis Pigeon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi Chad,
>
> On 21/03/06, Chad Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 5)  You multiposted to users@ and discuss@ with a suspicious looking
> email.
> > In the last few weeks, we've been getting a lot of SPAM that way.
> >
>
> Could you tell me how you define a suspicious looking email?


I said a suspcious looking email - *not* a suspcious looking email address.
The email itself was suspcious.  However, I have received plenty of SPAM
from email addresses that look like they are coming from domains that I
trust.  At work, our email addresses all end in @shofar.com.  We are the
only people (the ones at work) that have that domain name in our email.
However, I've gotten dozens if not hundreds of emails coming from
[EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED], etc.  (addies that don't exist - I
know since I control all the @shofar.com address in existance).


One coming from
> a broad email provider (thus easy to register to), made of a combination
> of
> letters and numbers, or one coming from the openoffice.org domain?


@openoffice.org is not a hard email address to get.  It's pretty easy to
register there too.  And, it's free.  With gmail - someone had to invite
you. :-)


I would
> actually trust far more the latter than the former as far as downloads are
> concerned... ;)
>

I base my trust on content not domain name.  If I got an email from my best
friend's email address that said "DOWNLOAD THIS NOW!
ftp://link.addy.com/file.exe";  I wouldn't do it without a futher
explaination from them.

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Re: [discuss] Re: OPENOFFICE CALC

[Henrik Sundberg]

2006/3/21, Daniel Carrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Henrik Sundberg wrote:
> > I think it is strange to be this pedantic about 0^0, and not care
> > about math at all when it comes to normal cases like this. Are we
> > looking for compatibility with Microsoft or math?

"this" above was referring to "-(A1-B1)^2 is not resolved to
-((A1-B1)^2) instead it seems to be (-(A1-B1))^2".
The snipping made the meaning disappear. I think this case is more important.

> I am a mathematecian, and not exactly a Microsoft fan. So I'll vote for
> math of course (and I can get very pedantic about this). Though, in the
> case of 0^0 math doesn't provide an unambiguous answer because in the
> strictest sense 0^0 doesn't make sense. In some (not all) instances it
> is convenient (not required) to define it (notice, a definition) as 1.
>
> I think that defining it as 1 for Calc will hurt more people than
> defining it as an error.

Our opinions differ. Fair enough. Seems like we focused on different
parts of the, in my eyes well written, discussion at
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/sci-math-faq/specialnumbers/0to0/

> One alternative is: If a cell ever gets 0^0 Calc makes it 1 the way you
> want, but the user gets a pop-up warning him of this fact. And possibly
> giving him the option of changing that behaviour, or not show the
> warning again (like Firefox does with encrypted sites).

No. Imagine you send a spreadsheet using this to someone. Do you
intend to supply a document specifying "click No when a dialog asks
for 0^0 handling"? Or should the option be per spreadsheet? Or should
it be handled with style (bad joke...)? I.e. using a "0^0=1" style for
the field?

In the Firefox case you get the needed information in the dialog. This
case is not the same.

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Re: [discuss] Re: OPENOFFICE CALC

[Jonathon Blake]

Liberty wrote:

> Every Calculator, Spreadsheet, Compiler, and Interperter, that I've seen 
> defines 0^0 as 1.

My Texas Instruments BAII Plus calculator says that 0 * 0 = 0.
MY PDA says 0 * 0 = 0.
My cell phone says 0 * 0 = 0.
Gnumeric says 0 * 0 = 0, and gives a page full of error messages.
Excel says 0 * 0 = 0.
QuatroPro says 0 * 0 = 0.
Lotus 123 sys 0 * 0 = 0

xan

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[discuss] Re: OPENOFFICE CALC

[Liberty]

On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 09:16:22 +, Daniel Carrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>Henrik Sundberg wrote:
>> I think it is strange to be this pedantic about 0^0, and not care
>> about math at all when it comes to normal cases like this. Are we
>> looking for compatibility with Microsoft or math?
>
>I am a mathematecian, and not exactly a Microsoft fan. So I'll vote for 
>math of course (and I can get very pedantic about this). Though, in the 
>case of 0^0 math doesn't provide an unambiguous answer because in the 
>strictest sense 0^0 doesn't make sense. In some (not all) instances it 
>is convenient (not required) to define it (notice, a definition) as 1.
>
I am not a Mathematician, although I took a couple Algebra courses 40 years
ago.

Floatingpoint Numbers are ambiguous. Zero when derived by calculation is
typically not really zero but a very small number. IN x^y when both approach
zero the result approaches 1. When using Spreadsheets (or any computer
program) one can not assume absolute precision. Given that either/neither X
or Y will not be absolute precise expecting a 1 is reasonable. 
Does this make any sense?
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Re: [discuss] OpenOffice.org Premium 2.0.2

[Rigel]

found the data. It's actually at this address inside the forum page >>
http://www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.phtml?p=131268#131268

If you don't do a search for premium or something similar you'd assume
it's just a generic writer thread.

Rigel

On 3/20/06, Szalai Kálmán <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Why do you think it is spam? I just send this letter to inform about
> Openoffice related product. It is a same product with extras.
>
>
> You can read more here:
>
> http://www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.phtml?t=18046&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=45
>
>
> KAMI
>
> Chad Smith írta:
> > If I reply to an email advertising something (even if it is free) - and I
> > get the original email sent back to me...  That's SPAM in my book.
> >
> > On 3/20/06, Justin Fitzgibbon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> Not actually spam I think
> >> OO.o premium is as I understand it the standard version of OO.o plus clip
> >> art from OO Extras and addons such as fonts
> >>
> >> See http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=56131for 
> >> details
> >>
> >> It looks to be 176mb in size which is not bad considering the additions.
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Chad Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, 21 March 2006 9:39 AM
> >> To: discuss@openoffice.org
> >> Subject: Re: [discuss] OpenOffice.org Premium 2.0.2
> >>
> >> Can we  spell SPAM?
> >>
> >> On 3/20/06, Szalai Kálmán <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hello!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Please download the latest Premium version of OpenOffice.org 2.0.2
> >>> from
> >>> here:
> >>> ftp://ftp.fsf.hu/OpenOffice.org_hu/devel/OOB680_m5_Premium
> >>>
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Re: [discuss] Re: OPENOFFICE CALC

[Henrik Sundberg]

2006/3/21, Daniel Carrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> This is the third time I give this example. Aren't people listening? It
> is *NOT* true that x^y approaches 1, it DOESN'T. It only approaches 1 in
> a special case i.e. if you approach along the a curve y = f(x) where
> f(x) is analytic.

Listening. Agreeing.
It is just about making a decision.
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Re: [discuss] Re: OPENOFFICE CALC

[Henrik Sundberg]

* /= ^
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2006/3/21, Jonathon Blake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Liberty wrote:
>
> > Every Calculator, Spreadsheet, Compiler, and Interperter, that I've seen 
> > defines 0^0 as 1.
>
> My Texas Instruments BAII Plus calculator says that 0 * 0 = 0.
> MY PDA says 0 * 0 = 0.
> My cell phone says 0 * 0 = 0.
> Gnumeric says 0 * 0 = 0, and gives a page full of error messages.
> Excel says 0 * 0 = 0.
> QuatroPro says 0 * 0 = 0.
> Lotus 123 sys 0 * 0 = 0
>
> xan
>
> jonathon
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Re: [discuss] Databases in OOo - now and in future

[Alexandro Colorado]

On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 03:39:33 -0600, Uwe Fischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:



Hi,

I would like to know how you use the database component of  
OpenOffice.org.


Do you use Base to maintain your databases?
If yes, which database format (hsqldb, mysql, dBase, ??)


Usually MySQL and HSQLdb


If no, why not? What must be improved to use it?


The permission bug is a first showstopper.

What part of the database file window do you use most, the plain Tables,  
the Queries, the Forms, or the Reports?


Tables.

Did you create tables, queries, forms, or reports manually or using the  
wizards?


Both ways but mainly manually.


What can be improved?


The way queries are usually builted, the compatibility issues between Base  
UI and MySQL, there is a premission script however why isnt this script  
included on the OOo libraries. OOo have many default macros this long time  
bug should have that script automated within the Db connection.


For example, which export file formats do you want in addition to the  
current formats?


DB2 and Firebird might be good options to have

Is the current online help sufficient? Which topics need a better  
documentation?



I guess more accesible documentation, there are good documented issues,  
however they are not very accesible from usual projects like  
documentation. I think dba user documentation should be correctly  
localized within the documentation project.



Regards
Uwe




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[discuss] Re: OPENOFFICE CALC

[Rod Engelsman]

Daniel Carrera wrote:

Liberty wrote:

Every Calculator, Spreadsheet, Compiler, and Interperter, that I've seen
defines 0^0 as 1. If Calc handles it differently than other programs 
it could
cause compatabilty issues.  


Compatibility is a fair argument. The first calculator I tried (the one 
that comes with Gnome) gave me an error. Then I tried KSpread, and that 
gave me a blank cell. Then I tried Gnumeric and it gave me an error.


Cheers,
Daniel.


Excel 2000 gives an error.

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Re: [discuss] Loading localization strings at runtime

[Ivo Hinkelmann]

Hi Lars,

in fact I am working on such a feature allowing in a spezial debug 
version to modify strings in a text file that are displayed after a 
restart. But please do not ask me when this feature is available and 
working for all kind of resource types.


Cheers,
Ivo

Lars D. Noodén wrote:

This was brought up on the OOo-Users list and then in a discussion
offlist:

How feasible would it be for OOo to load strings (e.g. menu labels and
dialog messages) at runtime?  Apparently Opera does this already, see
xx.lng where xx is the two letter ISO-639 language code.

Having strings load at runtime would allow the end user to further
customize the interface.  It would also make translation / localization
effort very much easier.

Is that something worth adding to a wish list for some future revision?

-Lars

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Re: [discuss] Re: OPENOFFICE CALC

[Henrik Sundberg]

2006/3/21, Rod Engelsman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Excel 2000 gives an error.

My bet is that this makes the circle full, considering the mail that
started this thread looked like this:

On 3/18/06, Marco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Dear sirs,
> we would like to inform you that we have found a bug on the suite
> OpenOffice. In Openoffice Calc, if we write =0^0, the result is 1, but
> 0^0 it's IMPOSSIBLE. We hope the bug will disappear in the next
> version of your program.

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Re: [discuss] Loading localization strings at runtime

[Lars D . Noodén]

Thanks.  I'm glad it's being worked on.

-Lars
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On Tue, 21 Mar 2006, Ivo Hinkelmann wrote:


Hi Lars,

in fact I am working on such a feature allowing in a spezial debug version to 
modify strings in a text file that are displayed after a restart. But please 
do not ask me when this feature is available and working for all kind of 
resource types.


Cheers,
Ivo

Lars D. Noodén wrote:

This was brought up on the OOo-Users list and then in a discussion
offlist:

How feasible would it be for OOo to load strings (e.g. menu labels and
dialog messages) at runtime?  Apparently Opera does this already, see
xx.lng where xx is the two letter ISO-639 language code.

Having strings load at runtime would allow the end user to further
customize the interface.  It would also make translation / localization
effort very much easier.

Is that something worth adding to a wish list for some future revision?

-Lars

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Re: [discuss] OpenOffice.org Premium 2.0.2

[KAMI]

Hello Chad!
Can you check this papper?

"

OpenOffice.org Premium 2.0.2 is Downloadable



OpenOffice.org Premium = OpenOffice.org + Extras


OpenOffice.org Premium is a free and open source enhancement of official 
OpenOffice.org. The Hungarian Native Language Team has modificated the 
source of OpenOffice.org and bundled lot of extras with it. Here is a 
short example what extras can you get in one OpenOffice.org Permium 
installer:


* Cliparts (more than 2400 objects currently)

* Templates (the number of templates depending on languages)

* Samples (the number of templates depending on languages)

* Documentation (if available)

* Fonts (more than 90 fonts)


The OpenOffice.org Premium installer is based on latest and greatest 
Openoffice.org version 2.0.2.


You can download OpenOffice.org Premium 2.0.2 from here:

ftp://ftp.fsf.hu/OpenOffice.org_hu/devel/OOB680_m5_Premium


Current language versions:

Hungarian (HU), English (EN-US)


Current platforms:

Linux and Windows


The source modification is available from here:

ftp://ftp.fsf.hu/OpenOffice.org_hu/devel/Source_mod


(Current version is: OOo202Premium-step7.zip 
 
)



The source of modification is available for everybody. The modification 
is utilize all Openoffice.org feature including localization. If you 
want to help us to make OpenOffice.org Premium better you can help a lot:


* Translators - translate the resource files to your language and send 
it them back to me
* Content creators/revisors - Send me templates and openoffice.org 
documentation (in OpenDocument Format) for your language. Collect as 
many as you can, but please keep out the poor, low quality content... 
Someone might recheck the English content of upcoming OpenOffice.org 
Premium 2.0.2 - It is only a sample.
* Gallery submitters/coordinators/organisers - Send me a free galleries 
or images (mainly in vector based format) good quality SVG->WMF 
convertions may be interesting...
* Builders - to build OpenOffice.org Premium with other language - I can 
do it, but I have only one machine and it is also for work

* Programmers - to develop a new ideas, make it better
* Voters - If you find it useful you can vote for integration:

62405 FEATUR P3 All [EMAIL PROTECTED] UNCO OpenOffice.org Premium 
integration - Gallery (1/4)
62406 FEATUR P3 All [EMAIL PROTECTED] UNCO OpenOffice.org Premium 
integration - Fonts (2/4)
62407 FEATUR P3 All [EMAIL PROTECTED] UNCO OpenOffice.org Premium 
integration - Templates (3/4)
62408 FEATUR P3 All [EMAIL PROTECTED] UNCO OpenOffice.org Premium 
integration - Samples (4/4)

http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=62405
http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=62406
http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=62407
http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=62408



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I hope it make you happy!

Best regards,
KAMI

PS:
Please corret me :o)

Re: [discuss] OpenOffice.org Premium 2.0.2

[KAMI]

As I remeember you was one of million who sent this message to OOo lists:

"
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:24:45 -0500
From: Chad Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
   boundary="=_Part_48028_27481748.1138116285316"
Subject: [releases] Re: Extras installer


Thanks Kami!

This rocks!  I can' wait to get home and check it out (only Macs here at
work).

On 1/24/06, KamiHír <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> OpenOffice.org Premium is available from here (test version - M150):
>
> Premium edition is a extended OpenOffice.org installer that contains:
> cliparts ( 2400+ objects currently)
> templates
> samples
> documentation
> fonts
>
> http://ftp.fsf.hu/OpenOffice.org_hu/devel/M150_Premium/
> (now it is working as simple file coping and pathing)
>
> The source of my modifications is avaialble from here:
>
>
> 
http://ftp.fsf.hu/OpenOffice.org_hu/devel/M150_Source_mod/openoffice-premium-202-3.zip

>
> The another way is a runable Extras installer:
> It contains all thing extra from  Premium installer, but it is a
> standalone Windows installer...
>
> Thanks,Best regards,
> KAMI
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So Premium  is very same as OOo + Extras Installer in one package. I 
hope you can write a good papper to show the good points of 
OpenOffice.org Premium.

I will publish that papper everywhere...

Thanks,
KAMI

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Re: [discuss] OpenOffice.org Premium 2.0.2

[KAMI]

I hope someone will test it. The firstly released Hungarian version 
(based on 2..0.1) was very popular in Hungary. I hope the Englis version 
will popular around the world...


If you want to help:

What we need?
* Translators - translate the resource files to your language and send 
it them back to me
* Content creators/revisors - Send me templates and openoffice.org 
documentation (in OpenDocument Format) for your language. Collect as 
many as you can, but please keep out the poor, low quality content... 
Someone might recheck the English content of upcoming OOoP 2.0.2 - It is 
only a sample.
* Gallery submitters/coordinators/organisers - Send me a free galleries 
or images (mainly in vector based format) good quality SVG->WMF 
convertions may be interesting...
* Builders - to build OOoP with other language - I can do it, but I have 
only one machine and it is for work Surprised(

* Programmers - to develop a new ideas, make it better
* Voters - If you find it useful you can vote for integration:
62405 FEATUR P3 All [EMAIL PROTECTED] UNCO OpenOffice.org Premium 
integration - Gallery (1/4)
62406 FEATUR P3 All [EMAIL PROTECTED] UNCO OpenOffice.org Premium 
integration - Fonts (2/4)
62407 FEATUR P3 All [EMAIL PROTECTED] UNCO OpenOffice.org Premium 
integration - Templates (3/4)
62408 FEATUR P3 All [EMAIL PROTECTED] UNCO OpenOffice.org Premium 
integration - Samples (4/4)

http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=62405
http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=62406
http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=62407
http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=62408

Rigel írta:

found the data. It's actually at this address inside the forum page >>
http://www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.phtml?p=131268#131268

If you don't do a search for premium or something similar you'd assume
it's just a generic writer thread.

Rigel

  


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Re: [discuss] OpenOffice.org Premium 2.0.2

[Sophie Gautier]

Hi Kami,

KAMI wrote:

Hello Chad!
Can you check this papper?


Thanks for it :) I'm forwarding it to our French community and we will 
try to work on it. I'll keep you update.

Thanks again for your work and sharing it.

Kind regards
Sophie

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Re: [discuss] OpenOffice.org Premium 2.0.2

[Chad Smith]

On 3/21/06, KAMI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hello Chad!
> Can you check this papper?


Sure will.  Would be happy to.  And, just because you asked me to correct it
- it's paper, not papper.


OpenOffice.org Premium 2.0.2 is Downloadable


OpenOffice.org Premium 2.0.2 is ready for Download!


OpenOffice.org Premium = OpenOffice.org + Extras



OpenOffice.org Premium is a free and open source enhancement of official
> OpenOffice.org. The Hungarian Native Language Team has modificated


Modified


the
> source of OpenOffice.org and bundled lot of extras with it. Here is a
> short example what extras can you get in one OpenOffice.org Permium
> installer:
>

Here are just a few of the extras you get with OpenOffice.org Premium.

* Cliparts (more than 2400 objects currently)


* Clip Art (currently more than 2,400 objects)


* Templates (the number of templates depending on languages)


(number varies by language)

* Samples (the number of templates depending on languages)


(number varies by language)


> * Documentation (if available)
>
> * Fonts (more than 90 fonts)
>
>
> The OpenOffice.org Premium installer is based on latest and greatest
> Openoffice.org version 2.0.2.


OpenOffice.org Premium is based on the latest and greatest version of
OpenOffice.org - 2.0.2.


You can download OpenOffice.org Premium 2.0.2 from here:
>
> ftp://ftp.fsf.hu/OpenOffice.org_hu/devel/OOB680_m5_Premium
>
>
> Current language versions:
>
> Hungarian (HU), English (EN-US)
>
>
> Current platforms:
>
> Linux and Windows
>
>
> The source modification is available from here:


The modified source code can be downloaded here:


ftp://ftp.fsf.hu/OpenOffice.org_hu/devel/Source_mod
>
>
> (Current version is: OOo202Premium-step7.zip
> <
> ftp://ftp.fsf.hu/OpenOffice.org_hu/devel/Source_mod/OOo202Premium-step7.zip
> >
> )
>
>
> The source of modification is available for everybody. The modification
> is utilize all Openoffice.org feature including localization. If you
> want to help us to make OpenOffice.org Premium better you can help a lot:


The modified source code is available for everyone.  It has been changed to
utilize all of OpenOffice.org features, including localization.  If you'd
like to help us improve OpenOffice.org Premium, here are a few of the ways
you can get involved:


* Translators - translate the resource files to your language and send
> it them back to me
> * Content creators/revisors - Send me templates and openoffice.org
> documentation (in OpenDocument Format) for your language. Collect as
> many as you can, but please keep out the poor, low quality content...
> Someone might recheck the English content of upcoming OpenOffice.org
> Premium 2.0.2 - It is only a sample.
> * Gallery submitters/coordinators/organisers - Send me a free galleries
> or images (mainly in vector based format) good quality SVG->WMF
> convertions may be interesting...
> * Builders - to build OpenOffice.org Premium with other language - I can
> do it, but I have only one machine and it is also for work
> * Programmers - to develop a new ideas, make it better
> * Voters - If you find it useful you can vote for integration:
>
> 62405 FEATUR P3 All [EMAIL PROTECTED] UNCO OpenOffice.org Premium
> integration - Gallery (1/4)
> 62406 FEATUR P3 All [EMAIL PROTECTED] UNCO OpenOffice.org Premium
> integration - Fonts (2/4)
> 62407 FEATUR P3 All [EMAIL PROTECTED] UNCO OpenOffice.org Premium
> integration - Templates (3/4)
> 62408 FEATUR P3 All [EMAIL PROTECTED] UNCO OpenOffice.org Premium
> integration - Samples (4/4)
> http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=62405
> http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=62406
> http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=62407
> http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=62408
>
>
>
> "
>
> I hope it make you happy!


It's not that I wasn't happy - it's just it had been a while since we talked
about it (almost 2 months) and then all of the sudden, there are 3 identical
emails saying basically "Download this now!"  The thing that really made me
think it was SPAM was when someone asked you a question, and then the same
email you sent out in the first place came back to the list.

This is much more informative and helpful.  I appreciate the work you've
done, and the improved announcement.  As I said back in January, I'll
download and install it as soon as I get home.


Best regards,
> KAMI

PS:
> Please corret me :o)
>

I hope my corrections were helpful.

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[discuss] Basic Manuscript Formatting OOo 2.01

[Mark J. Pugliese]

I have visited the OOo Forum site, and read several posts, and posted my 
own question about a way to format a simple fiction manuscript format.


Here is an example about what I'm trying to achieve:

http://www.shunn.net/format/novel.html

While this is a very basic formatting issue, OOo seems to have 
difficulty re-creating the example.


A few problems I'm having:

I save each chapter as a different file in case technical problems 
occur, and to make life easier to edit each individual chapter (file).  
The page numbering needs to progress through the manuscript, so each 
chapter (file) needs to start on a different page number.  If Chapter 1 
ends on page 15, then Chapter 2 needs to start on page 16, etc.


If I try Format > Paragraph > Text Flow > Insert > With Page Style, and 
then type in the page number I want to start with, a blank page is 
created as page 1 of each file.  This is a workable issue, although an 
extra page is printed with every file.


If I use the Master Document / Sub-Document method and create a Master 
Document out of Chapter 1, and then the following chapters as 
sub-documents, I have an issue with the way OOo starts each new 
sub-document on a new page.  The method explained in the help section 
does not maintain the required half page of space at the top of each new 
chapter's first page.


Is there a way to format something that looks like the example in my 
link above?  If not, are there solutions around the corner?


On a side note:  OOo is a wonderful program and I commend all those 
involved with the creation and maintenance of what must be a helluva lot 
of code.


Do you need assistance in regards to writing any type of documents?  I 
do not have a programming or computer background, but I can write, edit, 
and explain things clearly.  Is there a place for someone like me who 
would just like to help out?


Thanks,
Mark

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Re: [discuss] Basic Manuscript Formatting OOo 2.01

[Alexandro Colorado]

This is not a good list to answer macros questions, I suggest to go to the  
new scripting projects that deal with macros, OOoForum is a great  
reasource and a much more mature volunteers than the ones of the scripting  
since it just started a few months ago. The name of the site is:

http://extensions.openoffice.org/


On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 18:14:54 -0600, Mark J. Pugliese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:


I have visited the OOo Forum site, and read several posts, and posted my  
own question about a way to format a simple fiction manuscript format.


Here is an example about what I'm trying to achieve:

http://www.shunn.net/format/novel.html

While this is a very basic formatting issue, OOo seems to have  
difficulty re-creating the example.


A few problems I'm having:

I save each chapter as a different file in case technical problems  
occur, and to make life easier to edit each individual chapter (file).   
The page numbering needs to progress through the manuscript, so each  
chapter (file) needs to start on a different page number.  If Chapter 1  
ends on page 15, then Chapter 2 needs to start on page 16, etc.


If I try Format > Paragraph > Text Flow > Insert > With Page Style, and  
then type in the page number I want to start with, a blank page is  
created as page 1 of each file.  This is a workable issue, although an  
extra page is printed with every file.


If I use the Master Document / Sub-Document method and create a Master  
Document out of Chapter 1, and then the following chapters as  
sub-documents, I have an issue with the way OOo starts each new  
sub-document on a new page.  The method explained in the help section  
does not maintain the required half page of space at the top of each new  
chapter's first page.


Is there a way to format something that looks like the example in my  
link above?  If not, are there solutions around the corner?


On a side note:  OOo is a wonderful program and I commend all those  
involved with the creation and maintenance of what must be a helluva lot  
of code.


Do you need assistance in regards to writing any type of documents?  I  
do not have a programming or computer background, but I can write, edit,  
and explain things clearly.  Is there a place for someone like me who  
would just like to help out?


Thanks,
Mark

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Re: [discuss] Basic Manuscript Formatting OOo 2.01

[Cor Nouws]

Hi Mark,

Thanks for your mail, compliments, intention to help (pls see 
http://contributing.openoffice.org/index.html for the last).

I've one suggestion to your mail:

Mark J. Pugliese wrote:
[...]
I save each chapter as a different file in case technical problems 
occur, and to make life easier to edit each individual chapter (file).  
The page numbering needs to progress through the manuscript, so each 
chapter (file) needs to start on a different page number.  If Chapter 1 
ends on page 15, then Chapter 2 needs to start on page 16, etc.


If I try Format > Paragraph > Text Flow > Insert > With Page Style, and 
then type in the page number I want to start with, a blank page is 
created as page 1 of each file.  This is a workable issue, although an 
extra page is printed with every file.

[...]

If the first page is even, OOo allway's puts an odd page in front.
I've read (not looked at it yet) that in 2.0.2 there is the possibility 
to suppress automatically inserted pages. However, might be that this 
option only is related to mail merge.


HTH &
Greetings,
Cor

(PS I've CC-ed you, cause you are not subscribed to the mailing list. 
Pls keep mailings on the list.)



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[discuss] Re: Basic Manuscript Formatting OOo 2.01

[Jean Hollis Weber]

Mark J. Pugliese wrote,

> question about a way to format a simple fiction manuscript
> format.
> ...
> A few problems I'm having:
>
> I save each chapter as a different file...
> The page numbering needs to progress through the manuscript,
> ...
> If I use the Master Document / Sub-Document method and create
> a Master Document out of Chapter 1, and then the following
> chapters as sub-documents, I have an issue with the way OOo
> starts each new sub-document on a new page. The method
> explained in the help section does not maintain the required
> half page of space at the top of each new chapter's first page.
>
> Is there a way to format something that looks like the example
> in my link above?...

Yes, indeed. Use a "First Page" style for the first page of each 
chapter. Format the margins to suit (e.g. a big top margin so the 
. For your purposes, I assume that a new chapter could start on 
an even numbered page or an odd numbered page (in contrast to a 
formatted book, which would normally have each chapter starting 
on an odd numbered page). If this is true, then on the Page tab 
of the Page Style dialog for the First Page style, look in the 
Layout setting section for "Page layout" and set that to "Right 
and left". On the Organizer tab, set "Next style" to "Default".


Make a paragraph *style* for the first paragraph in each chapter. 
On the Text Flow tab, in the Breaks section, select Insert, With 
Page Style, First Page, but leave Page number alone. Apply that 
style to the first paragraph of each chapter.


There might be another trick or two that escapes me at the 
moment. I do this sort of thing so often that I don't even think 
about it, so I forget what I do! It's really very easy, just not 
very obvious.


> Do you need assistance in regards to writing any type of
> documents?  I do not have a programming or computer background,
> but I can write, edit, and explain things clearly.  Is there a
> place for someone like me who would just like to help out?

Yes, we would welcome you with enthusiasm! You could join the 
Documentation Project (http://documentation.openoffice.org/) or 
OOoAuthors (http://oooauthors.org). The latter is a development 
site for documents that are posted on the Doc Project's website, 
and supplements work done directly at the Doc Project.


Regards, Jean
Jean Hollis Weber
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