Re: [SH-Discuss] Greater Akron Robotics Club Floor Space request
Tim, I believe the current procedure is to convince 2 proponent/supporters to second your idea before it can be officially proposed. (this was to allow a partially baked idea to be vetted a bit before general membership submission. I will be your second second. I would request that you put a sign in your area proudly displaying your club name with contact info if anyone has questions or concerns, or wants to donate robot parts, etc. On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 9:32 PM, Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.com wrote: Tim, Just got out the tape and made some measurements for you. The raised concrete platform in the rear is roughly 125in x 159in. That is 19,875 sq in or 138 sq ft. Big enough for your purposes? Philip On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 4:55 PM, Seeley, Tim (PSA-Akron) tim.see...@psangelus.com wrote: Philip, The elevated area would be great. If the bikes are going to be moved in a week or two anyways then no sense in moving them twice. All, So it is official: I propose SYN/HAK temporarily grant GARC exclusive use of 144 sq. ft. of floor space for 60days. Location of said 144 square feet to be determined by voting members present at the weekly meeting this proposal is voted on. V/R Tim Seeley *From:* discuss-boun...@synhak.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@synhak.org] *On Behalf Of *Philip P. Patnode *Sent:* Monday, June 30, 2014 4:06 PM *To:* SYN/HAK discussion list *Subject:* Re: [SH-Discuss] Greater Akron Robotics Club Floor Space request Tim, If you make the proposal at the meeting tomorrow, I will second it. If you are not at the meeting tomorrow, I will be glad to introduce the proposal to temporarily grant GARC 144sq ft for 60days. I suggest you take over the elevated pad in the back room where I have temporarily stored some bikes while the Bike Shop is being painted. The bikes can be moved to the garage area and then back to the Bike Shop next week. Philip On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Seeley, Tim (PSA-Akron) tim.see...@psangelus.com wrote: Hello All, GARC would like to make a proposal / request of SYN/HAK and the board. Could a 12 foot by 12 foot floor section be set aside for GARC for the next 60 days (July and August). It will be vacated in September. GARC plans to make a lot of progress in the next 8 weeks. We need space to proto-type the Robot and the scoring and playing field. I know 144 square feet is a lot to ask for but it is for a very limited time. I plan to be at tomorrow’s meeting, but if I am not would someone please champion this proposal? V/R Tim Seeley Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] meeting minutes
I thought it had been announced last week at the meeting? On Jun 26, 2014 5:03 PM, a l leit...@gmail.com wrote: Proposals: Key Proposal - Steve Radonich IV Reason: To help with open hours when Becca can’t make it. To more able to perform duties as champion. Mike - Will you rob us blind? No Jimmy - Are you lying? No All vote for it. This is not how proposals work. We've had this discussion before. Proposals, -including- proposals to admit new members, proposals to issue keys, and any other proposal requires announcement 7 days prior to the meeting at which it will be decided. This protocol is -not- optional just because it is inconvenient. It does not matter when paperwork is handed in. It does not matter if it has been discussed with the board, or with most of the membership. The ENTIRE membership must be notified 7 days prior to any decision. Any member in good standing may make a proposal. The continued disregard for well established protocols is troubling. regards, Andrew L On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 4:52 PM, gs volt gsvo...@gmail.com wrote: Everyone, Before Tue meeting I did hand off the $4040 left over from the Akron Civic Hackathon to Devin. I'm assuming the budget includes that as well. If not, well, add that amount somewhere as well. On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 4:25 PM, a l leit...@gmail.com wrote: It was brought up a couple months back that the board would send out the discussion agenda for it's meetings. What is listed in the minutes seems a little sparse, If I recall correctly there was a mention of the intent to discuss ways to increase income as well as a request for comment from the membership/community. Is a more specific Agenda going to be sent out so people can comment or plan to attend? Could we get a breakdown of recurring monthly costs? I don't think we need one every financial report unless fees/services change. As far as I know it's something along the lines of : $500 - rent $200 - internet hosting, though other options are being considered $x00 - insurance $xxx - utlities(garbage~$75?, electric, water) Perhaps I'm being unrealistic but do we really envision spending $166/mo on paper towel, glue, and filament? Previously we had a budget less than half that and there seemed to be plenty of each. regards, Andrew L On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Devin Wolfe de...@midnight30products.com wrote: Didnt see these go through. Meeting Minutes 6/24/2014 Moderator: Devin Wolfe Note Taker: Steve Radonich IV Introductions: Angelo - human power technician G - charity pins Alex - condensated on Jimmy - student computer science, no classes this summer Dave - radio/TV production Andrew - working on a lot of python stuff Andy - Goto all the pony parties Philip - working on the wall giving us all cancer Dennis - Brought to SynHak by G, carpenter Becca - makes cookie brownies Steve - Take notes Devin - mods Mike - put peas in stew Craig - drives really fast cars today Linda - trying to relax after very hard da Announcements: Philip - Submitted a paragraph to downtown akron partnership that describes synhak and invites people to come down for the downtown art walk Mike - Ordered a USB Radio tuner that can bring in various signals Becca - LAN/Retro Game party is the 2nd Saturday of every month, so now it’s July 12th Becca - Wednesday the 16th at 8PM will have a jewlery class Andrew - little bit ago sent out another email about CWG, it needs two co-sponsors to go with it, please look over it and make any corrections as needed Andy - Dance pads were a big hit at the pony conventions, next thing going is the detroit maker faire if you want to volunteer we can setup a synhak table. July 26/27th Alex - B-Sides Cleveland July 19th Saturday Steve - Brought an iMac G5 fully updated for 10.4 with Diablo II G - Third Akron techpint July 30th Wednesday at 10PM Devin - Board Meeting Monday at 7PM, we are going to on a board level start using Robert’s Rules of order, looking at restructuring the way the board is ran. * Becca - Point is to make us be more presentable as an organization and proficient. When you come to someone and say I’m a champion of SynHak you get blank stares. * Devin - moving towards more traditional board rules, because it’s proven, and implementing a budget forecast 2014 SYN/HAK budget forecast from 6/1/2014 to 6/1/2015 Funds as of 6/10/2014 Checking $2,933.80 Savings $11,805.00 Register $267.68 Total Funds: 15,006.48 Current expenses $1200 per month Current income $630 per month (Assuming 20 members with Basic membership and paying three months ahead and getting the 10% discount) -- Allocations: $7000 To cover the $570 a month ($6840) (for 12 months) not covered by members dues plus $160 for deposit on any new utilities. $3800 Project fund. Expenses associated with Space improvement,
Re: [SH-Discuss] iMac Workstation
Thanks Steve! On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com wrote: To all, A couple days ago I brought in an iMac G5 for use as a public workstation it is sitting on the table the microwave was sitting on last week. Please feel free to use it, it is running OS X 10.4.11 fully updated with tenfourfox as an updated web browser (port of Firefox ESR 24). I will at some point be updating it to OS X 10.5.8 just need to find an external DVD drive as the internal one doesn't support DVD-DL. It will have iWork '09 and iLife '09 on it in the future as well as Diablo II for some fun gaming. The only thing I ask is that you not destroy it or move it from its current location. Steve ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] bike shop proposal - update - request for proxy statement
I am concerned about spending money on a set of tools, and the tools being strewn about the space. A significant amount of what I saw on Angelo's list were general tools that anyone could use to fix lawnmowers, 3d printers, etc while I'm fine with that, how do we keep them from getting lost? also, I asked someone last week if we've tried to source general tool assortments in the past like this, so that we have a good working base, and the abbreviated answer was we've tried can anyone expand on our past attempts? where did we go wrong? how do we keep from repeating our mistakes? would love to discuss this more tonight, as with or without a bike shop, I see these as real concerns... On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 9:57 PM, Seeley, Tim (PSA-Akron) tim.see...@psangelus.com wrote: Philip, I will try to be there to vote for the bike shop. Should I not make it there, you have my limited proxy to vote solely for the funds to support the bike shop initiative. V/R Tim Seeley *From:* Philip P. Patnode [mailto:ppatn...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Monday, June 16, 2014 9:50 PM *Subject:* bike shop proposal - update - request for proxy statement Dear All Last week was a personal disaster for me. On Saturday morning, I got a call from a close personal friend in serious trouble. I had to go out of town and help him get through some rough times. I am happy to report that the situation is improving and the future for him and his family looks good. The bike shop proposal is still under discussion and can come up for a vote at the SH meeting tomorrow night. With the support of SH members and from non-members like Angelo Coletta (Summit Cycling) Theresa Augustin, Mary O'Connor (Pixel Theater), Cable Courtney (Downtown Akron), Andy Davis (Bike Kitchen), Victor Hayne (ASCPL) and many others, the Bike Shop at SH can become a reality. If you are a member in good standing, I need your vote tomorrow night! If you can't be at the meeting and wish to support the proposal, please email me a proxy statement stating that you grant me the power to vote on your behalf. If you have any questions or comments or suggestions, please don't hesitate to email me tonight or tomorrow. I will try to answer you questions and address your concerns. Thanks, Philip ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Using a Internet forum as a discussion item instead.
I think this is a good idea also On Jun 14, 2014 10:08 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com wrote: Craig, I have quite a bit of experience admining forums and would be up to doing it so long as there wlis someone else willing to help from time to time. Steve --- Original Message --- From: Craig Bergdorf mm1...@gmail.com Sent: June 14, 2014 10:07 PM To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Using a Internet forum as a discussion item instead. I am for SMF but hope someone else can help admin it (who has experience how much daily work that is). Perhaps most could be mitigated by requiring an invite from an admin with a direct email, and having no automated sign up system of any kind. I have a whm/cpanel host that can run it with a few clicks, shall I set it up? Tonight I can setup synhak.net to point to it (synhak.org is still in transfer) On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 7:39 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com wrote: I'm all for SMF or phpbb --- Original Message --- From: alex kot ak47...@gmail.com Sent: June 14, 2014 6:41 PM To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Subject: [SH-Discuss] Using a Internet forum as a discussion item instead. To make things easier for everyone I think we should use an internet forum for Discussion and updates instead of a mailer. We can still use a mailer, but maybe something for major updates and announcements only. I am leaning towards SMF2 simple machine forums. I am going to provide the wiki list so everyone gets to see the choices and provide input. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Internet_forum_software ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Proxy
Whoops, sorry everyone, that wasn't my understanding On Jun 10, 2014 5:46 PM, Justin Herman just...@gmail.com wrote: Actually it is a blank check On Tuesday, June 10, 2014, Michael Griesacker mgriesac...@gmail.com wrote: OK, Robert has to tell Phillip what his vote is, and cc another member for confirmation. Its not like a blank check. Respectfully, On Jun 10, 2014 4:10 PM, Robert Rybicki rob...@robertrybicki.com wrote: Dear all Robert W wishes to give Philip proxy rights for tonight's meeting. Thank you. Sent from my iPhone ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] New things at the space
Thanks Devin!! On May 29, 2014 10:38 PM, Devin Wolfe de...@midnight30products.com wrote: I just dropped off 5 medium steel racks/shelves. They are a bit rough but they are sturdy. One made it into the bike area and the rest are in/near the machine room. I also brought in more items for the hack pile (fittings, switches ect) in bins in the M room and steel and aluminium pipe. There is a pile of ceiling jacks that are not to be hacked. These are for the building of the loft with the help of the giant I beam near by. There is another, rather sturdy filing cabinet in the palm room. Maybe it can be used in the basement? More, nicer racks will be arriving in the coming weeks. The EE lab is to ;get two the basement a few and one for the craft room. Regards D. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] garage door design contest
Philip, I didn't think the discussion last night was petty, silly, frivolous, or stupid as you described, but necessary for an up/down vote of confidence. I felt there should be some safeguards to inappropriate or off/topic designs that may look great in an art studio, but not so much on the front of our building -I'm fine with you deciding what those safeguards should be, and I think a disclaimer in the entry form would be be fine. I do think it is a worthwhile project, and don't think we should committee this to death, but it seemed like you weren't really prepared to discuss the idea, just wanting approval for what you were already putting in motion. Regardless of your decision, please try to stay positive and constructive on the mailing list. best regards On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 8:39 PM, Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.comwrote: TWIMC at SH Short version = The contest has been cancelled. Long version = Because I was feeling like I did not have sufficient support and enthusiasm from the members of SYN/HAK for the garage door design contest I created, I brought up the subject at last night's weekly meeting. Since the contest requires considerable time to create the individual entries and marketing materials, plus requires an initial outlay of personal funds, I wanted to get a quick Yes or No vote from the 14 SH members present at the meeting. If a majority of members voted to continue working on the contest or abandon the contest immediately, I would have been able to end the discussion during the meeting within two minutes. A positive outcome would have prompted further discussion after the meeting or, online, through email. Unfortunately, the simple request for a quick vote turned to the usual chaos we have all seen at the weekly meetings over the past few months when new subjects and issues are presented. What should have been a two minute exercise in group democracy rapidly descended into the all-too-common middle-school playground fight, with petty bickering, silly suggestions, frivolous warnings against undesirable images, and outright stupid comments. There were a few good ideas about improving the contest, but it was hard to concentrate with all the noise. Just because the contest winner would get 1/3 of the entry fees collected is not a valid reason the make the entry fee evenly divisible by 3. As the contest originator, why should I have to appeal to the math-challenged contestant? Anybody who progressed past 6th grade should not have a problem with a decimal or fractional reminder after performing a numerical division. Several members brought up the apparently real possibility of lurking artistic trolls who are just waiting for an opportunity to mess with a contest and produce results in line with their anti-social agenda. I am still waiting for the video or still photos of the anonymous trolls. I even had to defend the use of paint and/or decals as a safe medium that would not interfere with the functionality of the garage door. I wonder about such an imagination that ponders a winning design that might require 35 coats of paint, weighing over 100 lbs. Or, maybe they thought the use of a decal would somehow prevent the door from bending at the hinges? After careful consideration and a willingness to accept a minor financial loss, I have decided to end the contest before it ever got started. The $55 collected from five people, from a total of eleven entries purchased even before the final details were worked out, will be returned to them in full. The $30 gift certificate for the contest winner that was made available by Urban Eats Cafe and Patnode Photography will be converted to cash and distributed back to the sponsors. The conversation about contest co-sponsorship with another downtown business will be terminated. From a personal standpoint, I am withdrawing from any involvement in the repair or repainting of the SH garage door. It is not my project and I will not spend any time, money, or energy on it. Someone else can take it on as a project, if they are so inclined. I also don't want to be involved in any project concerning the exterior of the building, such as signage, mailbox location, installing a RFID door entry system, use of a garage door opener, CFLs for lighting, etc. Don't ask me for my opinion about what the garage door should look like or what kind of signage should be on the building or where to install the mailbox. I really don't care about any of the possibilities. This incident has definitely had an adverse effect on my morale and attitude about SYN/HAK and some of the members. I will be way more cautious in the future before I try to do something positive for the organization. There is a limit to the artificial drama, negativity, and pettiness I am willing to tolerate. Sincerely, Philip ___ Discuss mailing list
Re: [SH-Discuss] Board Meeting Minutes 19 May 2014
Steve, Justin, Becca, Congratulations! Looking forward to good things to come. Devin, thanks for hanging in there. Chris E and Omar, thank you for your service. On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 7:22 PM, Craig Bergdorf mm1...@gmail.com wrote: Congratulations to all. (and again, apologies I couldn't make it, (believe me, if there was any way...)) On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 7:01 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.comwrote: Board Meeting 19 May 2014 Note Taker: Steve Radonich IV Moderator: Devin Wolfe AJ9 Xander Steve G - Board Philip Devin - champion Justin - Board Becca - Board Purpose: Elect 3 champions from the following nominations: Steve Radonich IV, Philip, Craig, Justin, G, and Becca. Steve - 5 Philip - 1 Craig - 3 Justin - 4 G - 2 Becca - 3 Tie Breaker: Becca - 3 Craig - 2 Can't reach Craig for proxy vote. He was reached before the time was up for the meeting. Devin: Everyone ok with a hand raise? All: Yes Devin: All for Becca? All: Raises their hands. New Champions: Steve Justin Becca Meeting Ends: 16:59 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal to manage proposal approval.
from Wikipedia: A *filibuster* is a parliamentary procedurehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_procedurewhere debate is extended, allowing one or more members to delay or entirely prevent a vote on a given proposal. It is sometimes referred to as *talking out a bill*,[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filibuster#cite_note-1 and characterized as a form of obstruction in a legislaturehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legislatureor other decision-making body. so, is this to supersede Steve's proposal process? I see no mention of blocking, which I don't think I really understood anyways, seemed like just a more overt form of filibustering. Not against dropping that usage, I just want to make sure I understand. -also, this seems pretty simple and easy to understand. I like simple On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Justin Herman just...@gmail.com wrote: Issue being resolved: As SynHak has grown larger, SynHak has undergone some growing pains. Valuable individuals have come and been scared off by our elaborate procedures and processes. Browbeating has become all too common. When motions with members are seconded and modified voting has occurred decisions have been able to be made without long fruitless tirades. A clear proposal and decision making strategy would help us avoid 3 hour meetings where everyone feels like they went though a battle. Voting treats all members present at the meeting and members who announce a proxy before meetings to have an equal voice. In addition voting will allow us to move forward and return to the meetings of the past. Our meetings could be quick and productive, instead of long and tiresome. It will curb grandstanding, soap-boxing, meandering of topics, and filibustering. IMO discussion is vital to hash out ideas but not all discussion needs to occur during public meetings. In addition voting does not need to be used at all times. example: A member motions to close the meeting, someone seconds it. No one speaks up for opposition. The motion passes.) (2nd example: A proposal is presented do do X.Y.Z. A discussion occurs. During the discussion members and non members voice their opinions. Some members agree with the proposal while others don't. A member calls for a vote. A verbal vote of the members in good standing and their selected proxy. A majority of more than 50% of the total votes cast and the proposal passes, 50% (or less) and the proposal fails with the option to be resubmitted and reapplied later. Proposal: SynHak will follow the organization's by-laws, and use discussion and if necessary, voting of the members present, in good standing, at the membership meeting (including proxies) to handle all proposals that public meeting discussion has show to have opposing voices. Any member can call for a silent ballot but verbal ballots will be the default. For a proposal to pass, more than 50% of the votes cast must agree with the proposal. Submitted By: Justin Herman Proposal Endorsed by: Devin Wolfe Chris Neer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] REMINDER: Meeting tonight!
Is phong sick? On May 13, 2014 12:39 PM, Justin Herman just...@gmail.com wrote: Looks like phong forgot to send this reminder out: Meeting tonight 7pm @ 48 S Summit Street Akron. https://www.google.com/maps/place/SYNHAK ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[SH-Discuss] Website under for maintenance?
Having trouble getting onto the website, is someone working on the server? ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Removal of Torrie from the SYNHAK Community
I don't know how Steve or any of us can guess your motivation at times, not sure that is even a fair question, or relevant. Perhaps you would enlighten us on your motivation, but some of your behavior doesn't seem justifiable to me in any context. In this respect I will not block this proposal, however I would like to see how the rest of the members choose to deal with this, and feel that protecting/enabling abusive behavior is not really a solution that any of us should be comfortable with. I can't say I know how all of this started, as it seems that some actions are actually reactions to prior events, but we have to start making it better. I want a community that I can be proud of. regards, On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 7:32 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: Steve, if I started things as you suggest, whats my motivation? On Thursday, May 01, 2014 04:37:33 Steve Radonich IV wrote: I understand that there is going to be a lot of resistance to such a proposal, and in fact believe that the most likely outcome is having the proposal rejected by the membership. However, I do hope that we can have a productive conversation addressing an issue that we are having that is typically left to be discussed about little groups. I do feel that Torrie has been acting in a manner that is very detrimental to the community and has caused SYNHAK to start to tear itself apart. I personally don't like my name being publicly tarnished by someone who's accusations about me are unfounded. I have admitted that my wording was not acceptable and , if I haven't already I certainly meant to, apologise to Torrie for saying those unexcellent things. What I said though does not deserve me being continually called a transphobe on the public discuss list, especially after I have addressed this before I believe multiple times. How anyone can defend her comments on the discuss list the last 24 hours really baffles my mind. Not only have I tried to discuss some of these issues on the mailing list, I have not once responded to anything Torrie has said in a nasty manner. While in comparison Torrie goes into other threads in the public mail list and trashes me there as well. On top of that after no one else on the discuss list comes to my defence when I have been the civil one in this whole affair, instead I get champions and others going to the defence of Torrie. Then when I make a proposal to have her removed from the community, because not many on the list were completely fine with her comments and sat idle, multiple people express their intentions to block it, some without any reasons as to why they're going to block it. People may not want to admit it, but there are those in the group that will not criticise Torrie no matter what she says or does, I guess because either they are very good friends with her, or because she came up with the idea of SYNHAK. I honestly had a lot of respect for her in the past, as well as enjoyed hanging out with her at and outside of SYNHAK. Up until the last 24 hours I had hope that me and her could still remain friends, however she burned that bridge as she intended to with her initial email under the Hiatus Hiatus thread. Quote from her initial email: I'm also aware of a board vote to remove me from my office of Treasurer, so I figure that I might as well join the fun and burn some bridges while I go down in beautiful crimson flames. Can someone please explain to me why I am the unreasonable one because I feel that someone who acts like that has no place in a community that is supposed to be open to everyone? Is it because I feel that she has become the center of such a big issue involving many members of SYNHAK? Ask yourself the following: Has her response to many of the emails today been in line with our Code of Conduct Be excellent to each other? I really want to have a discussion on this issue, and I thought the discuss list was a place where we all are supposed to discuss things, so as not to exclude anyone who can not make it to a Tuesday meeting. Instead when I put time into a reply that really wants to get deep into the issue and truly solve it most of my points or questions go unaddressed in responses. To sum this all up as simply as I can: The biggest problem I see is that Torrie preaches how we should all be open minded to other view points and ideas, at least giving them some serious thought, and I can totally agree with that. However, open mindedness is not a one-way street but she seems to think that it works that way. As soon as I expressed a view point that was polar opposite of one of hers she started being aggressive towards me and I find that unfortunate. This all could have been avoided if she practiced what she preached. Hope to get some serious replies instead of the normal name calling and complete dismissal. -Steve
Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Family Dues Structure
thanks for splitting this off of the original proposal and cleaning up the language, pretty much the exact thing we discussed originally in our subcommittee On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 9:16 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.comwrote: A family is defined as those living in the same household. With the 1st Adult family member paying the standard single member rate, currently at $35/mo. With additional Adult family members paying a rate of $15/mo. Any children under the age of 18 paying a rate of $5/mo. The rewritten proposal as promised, any and all feedback is welcomed. -Steve ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] New Mailing List
didn't notice this before, but the wiki wasn't updated, and only showed: (I added champions this morning) Private Lists[edithttps://synhak.org/w/index.php?title=Mailing_Listsaction=editsection=4 ] There are a few private lists that require special permissions to view, but they are documented here anyways in case someone wants to send a mail to it. - *bo...@synhak.org bo...@synhak.org* - Goes to all the board members - *sysad...@synhak.org sysad...@synhak.org* - Goes to selected individuals who have access to security tokens. See Sysadminhttps://synhak.org/wiki/Sysadminfor a list of who that is. - *memb...@synhak.org memb...@synhak.org* - All membershttps://synhak.org/wiki/Membershipare required to be subscribed to this list, and only members may ever be subscribed On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 9:29 AM, Chris Egeland ch...@chrisegeland.comwrote: Hello everyone, I just wanted everyone to know that, as I mentioned in yesterday's meeting, I have created a new mailing lists for the champions. Anyone can send to it to easily get in touch with the champions. The purpose of this was to reduce the need for people to know the email addresses of all of the champions if they wanted to get in touch with them. To contact the champions, please email champi...@synhak.org and someone should get back to you within a reasonable timeframe. Thanks, Chris ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Key Policy in Relation to Minors
Andrew, as stated prior, the purpose of reposting is this, we had 3 different ideas lumped into one proposal. It was requested at the meeting to separate them into 3 different proposals, (of which you may remember it was inquired if we should split them up in the meeting prior, but was decided against at the time), so they could stand on thier individual merit. This one about key access seemed to be the most controversial, but Steve wasn't trying to force this through he was just restating it separately so it could be discussed separately, and I think it has a good likelyhood of evolving/maturing into something we all can accept. But we have to start somewhere. On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 4:28 PM, a l leit...@gmail.com wrote: As I remember it, the discussion last night was generally against this wording why repost it. I don't recall if alternate wording was agreed on. Tangentially related to Torrie's comment: do we have something already on the books that addresses this? I'll get the exact wording of the liability waiver to double check. Please keep discussion constructive towards the proposal. Regards, Andrew L On Apr 30, 2014 4:14 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com wrote: If you read the e-mail Torrie you would know that I am not in support of this proposal, but was in fact one that you made in the first place. I was just asked to rewrite them and separate them into 3 different proposals so that they could all be addressed individually as they have nothing to do with each other. Please continue to act unexcellent towards other members of SYNHAK, it really solves the problem and helps your situation. :) -Steve From: tdfisc...@hackerbots.net To: discuss@synhak.org Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 16:12:39 -0400 Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Key Policy in Relation to Minors On Wednesday, April 30, 2014 15:09:17 Robert Rybicki wrote: With the very well worded proposal of minors and coming to the space, I do not see how this proposal is necessary or even a good idea. I would like to think that my family has made a good example as to why. The issue has always been apparent to me of liability. This proposal does not solve this issue. It only bars minors from keys. Why do this? Steve loves rules and has an authoritarian stance on everything. Thats the only reasonable answer that can explain this majestic piece of legalese: https://hackerbots.net/~tdfischer/BlockingProcedureProposal.pdf (Copied to my server in case its deleted from ubuntuone) Sent from my iPhone On Apr 30, 2014, at 2:59 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com wrote: Any minor that is a member before the date that this proposal is approved shall be exempt from the following rule. No minors will be permitted to have a key, or apply for one. The proposal re-written, any and all feed back is welcome. I would like to make it known that I am not in support of this proposal just rewriting them into better wording as they were originally intended. -Steve ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[SH-Discuss] salt shaker needed
will someone please bring one to the space tonight? ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Meeting minutes from 2014-04-22
Andy, first time note taker was being silly. Chris didn't ask about
windows or pet doors either, just doors.
On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 3:03 AM, Andrew Buczko a4s...@dsprototyping.comwrote:
* Andy -yes, no pet doors as of yet, maybe a robot door.
^ I did not say that. I said Yes, the plans are in my car, I can get them
if you want. I don't remember anything about a pet door.
On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Chris Egeland ch...@chrisegeland.comwrote:
On 4/23/2014 2:43 PM, a l wrote:
* no one wishes to propose to split the member dues/key restrictions
proposal
It is unclear if this was consented and if so what the wording of the
proposal is/was. Could someone who remembers the conversation update the
minutes?
At last night's meeting, this was discussed, not consented to. At last
week's meeting (04-15-2014), this was brought up as a discussion item, not
a proposal. As such, last night's discussion (04-22-2014) was, technically
speaking, the first meeting it was discussed as a proposal.
The proposal in question is available to view here:
https://synhak.org/pipermail/discuss/2014-April/008175.html
No changes to the wording of this proposal was discussed or agreed to
last night. As such, this proposal will undergo the consensus process at
next week's meeting.
Regarding Hacker grants: Since Torrie proposed this and will not be at
meetings in the near future could someone who understands her vision please
answer a few questions I have? The following is the current wording:
*I'm proposing that we allocate $5400 of our recent $15k knight
foundation grant to, each month, give $150 to a hacker with great ideas who
applies for it *
* $5,400 is a lot of money to ear mark for one project with uncertain
terms. It is in fact 3 years worth(at the proposed 150/mo) of hacker grants
as well as over 1/3 of our total grant monies. Could we lower this dollar
amount? perhaps to $1,800 offering 1 years worth of mini-grants instead. We
can always revisit the idea after one year.
* What exactly is the application process and constitutes 'great ideas'.
If two people apply in the same month how do we decide between them? Two in
the same hour? If only one person applies does that guarantee them the
money? What's the application deadline?
* Do we hand people a check for $150 or refund reciepts?
* It sounds like this is open to the public, how do we best promote this?
regards,
Andrew L
On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 10:18 AM, Omar Rassi omar.ra...@gmail.comwrote:
Regarding the hacker grants proposal, I have a question for Steve.
Steve said, before we spend any money, we should have a discussion of what
we want to do with this, before we start spending it.
Isn't that what we're doing with the proposed expenditure on funding
mini-hacker grants? By discussing spending money on hacker grants, we are
in fact discussing how we're going to spend money. What sort of discussion
were you looking to have on this?
On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Chris Egeland
ch...@chrisegeland.comwrote:
The link has been properly updated.
Here are the minutes:
{{Infobox_meeting
|time=7PM
|date=$date
|venue=48 South Summit
|next=$next
|previous=$previous
}}
= Agenda =
* '''Note Taker:''' MikeG
* '''Moderator:''' Becca
== Introduction and Names ==
* Round of introductions
** What is your name?
** What do you do?
** If this is your first time, how did you hear about SYNHAK?
* Ed, Robert R's Grampa, Retired Study of Law.
* Jen, Stay at home mom
* Robert, likes to invent
* Becca, frosts cakes,defrosts bread
* Mike, pressed the button
* STeve, brings horribly outdated computers to syhak
* Matt, updates software
* Matt, Deathray enthusiast
* Linda, Librarian, wants her own Makerspace, found out from Clev Pub
Library
* Joe, retired mechanic
* Craig, flips cars
* G, restores bycicles, for kiks
* Andy, computer tomography machines
* Chris, untapps
* Will, gots a new phone
* Philip, takes pictures, wants to start bike refurb service, with
MAtt, G, and Theresa, not for profit, but for fun
== Announcements ==
* Mini Maker fair, KSU Library, 12-4pm Thurs
* Informal announcement Akron Mini Maker Faire October 18th 11-4pm
Akron Bublic Library, main branch
* NAMES Convention: MEchanical engineering society, makes working mini
trains, in Michigan
* Shop Safety tomorrow 8pm
** Closed toed shoes
** Long sleeve shirt/short sleeve/overshirt
** long pants
** stick with cottons
* Matt: may have line on garage toolshop, but in Michigan
== Membership ==
* Jen, never considered to be a member, was told Rob couldn't skype
into a meeting, or join via proxy
** G, can we have special off-tuesday meeting for a non-tuesday enabled
person?
** Becca, why can't he be interviewed over the phone.
** Chris E, don't see bylaw restriction, to a non-tues meeting to
address a new member app.
== Financial Report ==
* Funds in bank:
none reported
==
Re: [SH-Discuss] Calling a Special Board Meeting
Omar, firstly, that's a little too much detail for 'discuss', and should be reserved to 'members', please excercise some diplomacy. Secondly I take offense to requesting the deposing of a boardmember for unboardliness -that sounds like a slippery slope. Thirdly, likening Andy's usefullness to some guy with tools is a bit too much. This isn't helping. On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 5:46 PM, Omar Rassi omar.ra...@gmail.com wrote: Devin, Our response to Andy's complaint was that he should go talk to Torrie and try to work out his issues. At that time he was offered mediation. This did not happen though the issues he brought up were discussed with Torrie anonymously (now that's out of the bag). Fast forward to now, it has been brought up that the champions need to try to open a dialogue between them because Torrie is clamming up regarding Andy (she has said multiple times in private she feels hostility from Andy when trying to talk to him). Andy was again asked to come and talk with a mediator, and then asked again. Andy's response to flatly refuse to attempt dialogue and deny that there's a problem between them while the same time calling Torrie a name. This is not appropriate behavior from a board member of synhak to an officer of synhak. It makes no difference to me what their friendship is, but to refuse cooperation and even the attempt to come to an understanding with eachother a good board member does not make. Make no mistake, Andy has been good to the space and is a good person. But just because you have a crimping tool with the socket set doesn't mean its going to be useful. The call is for the board and members to discuss if he is still a good fit for board nothing more. his membership status is not in question nor at stake. I would rather not remove anyone from anything but what is the alternative if one officer is unwilling to talk to the other? On Apr 14, 2014 12:18 PM, a l leit...@gmail.com wrote: Calling people out in public is not the best nor most mature way of handling issues. Everyone here has each other's emails. If you're concerned about transparency and fairness for resolving issues we have Members@. I'd wager most of discuss isn't concerned with whether two of our core members are getting along. I as a member am only concerned that two of our core members are not talking to each other. I don't care if it's tin can and string, IRC, snapchat, smoke signals or binding arbitration. If two members can't communicate to each other we're a worthless community. How can we expect to attract new members if we're having trouble getting along with ourselves? regards, Andrew L On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Monday, April 14, 2014 08:46:00 Devin Wolfe wrote: So I have been watching this and I have a question. What exactly did Andy do to warrant removal from the board? From my end it looks like: He had a problem with another member, so he verbally addressed it. He then brought it to that attention of the champions, again verbally. He then filed a formal complaint with the champions He continued to verbally address the situation. Torrie publicly announced she was ignoring his emails (on IRC) Uh, what? I did nothing of that. Andy did nothing of that. The complaint was an anonymous member. Andy has not addressed anything. Now you are trying to kick Andy out for not meeting with you when you request it? Is he not doing his job as a board member? Has he threatened or phisicaly harmed Torrie or any other member? What's the problem? People don't always get along, THAT IS LIFE. This is a volunteer organization that without members that work so hard for FREE and pay the be here, we would not exist. Frankly I am disgusted that you would even suggest this. Devin. On Apr 14, 2014 1:04 AM, Andrew Buczko a4s...@dsprototyping.com wrote: Andrew I have a busy month this month. Everything happens in April! I will not be able to respond to requests within 5 days. Here is what's going on for April: -My Mother's B-Day The North American Model Engineering Society Web: http://www.namesexposition.com/ Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6BtmpYoxPQ Notacon Web: http://www.notacon.org/ Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4msp8SFl_klist=PLuYlHJrLmrZfPu0HFdMVfyMY F2C4UwjlO Cleveland Mini Maker Fair Web: http://makerfairecleveland.com/ Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhrB32n5hNw Akron Brony Meetup Web: http://www.meetup.com/Akron-Brony-Meetup/events/169761202/ Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6In3lrMFkYk Slot Car Racing Web: http://ohioho.com/OhioHOPRA.html Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRxhCTcm1Y8 Cuyahoga Falls Amateur Radio Club 60th Annual HAMFEST Web: http://www.cfarc.org/hamfest2014.php Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6rfQq3onbA Add
Re: [SH-Discuss] Membership Family Plans
Rob, I will try to be brief. The discussion brought up some concerns, and the topic of discussion was member/family pricing. As an aside, we discussed our current rules concerning keys: Non-members are barred from having keys, keys are non-transferrable between members. -also: There is responsibility/risk of a keyholder, and when asked what's the youngest age a member should be to be entrusted to be at the space alone by themselves in case of accident, emergency, other the consensus of the small group was 18yrs. I agree Robert is far more mature and responsible for his age, but we felt it time to discuss some general rules, not exceptions. Seeing Robert is intending to be chaperoned to the space by a parent, this is not a conflict, except for the key part, and we felt that fit nicely into the family membership pricing discussion. Technically, his membership, -if going under the student clause would be $15. If an adult family member joined, his membership would drop to 5$ and the first adult would be $35, the second adult $15. I wouldn't have worded nice stuff so much as sharp and pokey if the wrong end is used for the wrong thing. This is a makeshift electronics lab/workshop, not a padded romper room (envisioning Mcdonalds play area). We are all delighted to have Robert join, but did not fully think through all the aspects. We all know Robert wouldn't be riding his bycicle here, or being dropped off while mom goes to the grocery store. So I apologize for the wording coming off as an attack on you and your wife's parenting skills or to your son. We all feel that he should be encouraged and nurtured as much as possible, but want to make sure we are setting some healthy/reasonable boundaries. If you are willing to willing to work with us on this minor growing pain, I think we can settle on a reasonable solution that doesn't include 100x more fire extinguishers. Again, all of this proposed has not been voted on by the membership group, just discussed by our subcommittee, and released for general discussion. best regards, On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 12:37 AM, Robert Rybicki rob...@robertrybicki.comwrote: Sorry for the double post. Craig I thank you for sharing your story and your warm confirmation about membership. That is the kind of kinship we should all strive for. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 11, 2014, at 10:56 PM, Craig Bergdorf mm1...@gmail.com wrote: (Happy to hear the argument about age having little to do with anything. I think I can get away with saying 29 when anyone asks for the foreseeable future, and before that it was 23, 16, 13, etc. I won't pretend I don't still have a bit of a complex on judgement based on age, being the awkward but tall kid dragged to mensa meetings their whole childhood that some drunkens would occasionally mistake for a peer, then came the question that still cuts to the bone how old are you? ) A member is a member. Since the seven year old member is my son, I will add my opinions to the discussion. First and foremost I want to express my sad displeasure in reading this. Perhaps this being paraphrased ideas of a discussion many things are getting lost in translation. However the things I have issue with are listed as problems My seven year old lives 46 minutes driving distance from the space and does not currently drive himself places. If he was of driving age and as a parent I decided he was mature enough to go places by himself, or use shop tools, or as you put it nice things then I would let him go do those things. Perhaps sometimes I would go with him at times to check on how safe he is still being. Perhaps also I would put two gps tracking devices on his car so when he finds the first one I have redundancy. Also guaranteed I, or a close and not easily recognizable friend would tail him at times. The point I am trying to make here, is my son that is a member of syn/hak, is not autonomous yet, and when the time comes that he is, we will still parent him. The way nice things is worded I am taken back to my own childhood when my evil aunt had us over and I was confined to the kitchen, because she had a house full of collectable garbage (much like syn/hak,) and I was too much of an animal to go into the rest of the rooms in the house. If there are concerns about your members not being able to handle tool, machines, supplies, or members projects (again, I'm fuzzy on what is nice,) perhaps those concerns could be brought up to that member or the members guardian. My wife was at the meeting with our seven year old. Nothing was said. Robert W in in fact seven and is more responsible than myself at times. If you tell him a rule, good luck trying to change it after that, because it has already been programmed. He is excited to be part of this community. A community he and believe in and he absolutely belongs in. He is also excited to gain full 24/7 access to the space because of my unusual schedule. If entrusted with
Re: [SH-Discuss] today @ kn Kustums
uhhh, that's not the recommended way to load drivers... On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 11:55 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: On Thursday, April 10, 2014 22:47:27 Craig Bergdorf wrote: If anyone remembers the first laser printer I donated to the space, it sat in the Perkins room for a while (I printed a few things on it from one of the linux boxes), then eventually it was moved to the freehack pile when I brought in a real laserjet that jammed constantly (like a boss). Anyway, before the move I took it back, and it's been in my garage since. Today I took it out for a good'nuff laser printer for a buddy's car flip shop and found it won't work in win7 easily. It also had developed streaks from sitting for the winter, and just generally being garbage. Then this happened: http://youtu.be/5g68YntOOgg Also, F/S one gently used Ford Ranger :) RIP our first printer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Blocking Proposal Sub-Group Meeting
I'd have a better chance of making it if it were monday night On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 2:18 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.comwrote: I was set in charge of scheduling a sub-group meeting for discussion on my blocking proposal. Was thinking this Saturday 04/12/2014, at 1300 ( 1 PM). Does that work for everyone that is interested in attending? -Steve ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Do Not Hack barricade tape
1000 foot of Caution tape (non-adhesive) or Crime Scene Do Not Cross can be had for a little under 10$ a roll shipped. that's significantly cheaper than custom do not hack tape, what's the chance that we can use that? I know it doesn't say exactly what we want, but, we're hackers, right? -I am partial to the crime scene tape, as caution is a little misleading. I'm thinking even if you don't see the whole statement, you get the idea, so someone could use a 4 section on their small project, and that would convey the intent. On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 7:56 AM, degerov...@yahoo.com degerov...@yahoo.comwrote: I believe he was pointing out the uselessness of a ticket if there is no reprimand. D. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Androidhttps://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android -- * From: * Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net; * To: * SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org; * Subject: * Re: [SH-Discuss] Do Not Hack barricade tape * Sent: * Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:21:05 AM On Monday, March 24, 2014 03:49:58 Andrew Buczko wrote: Rix, that's cool an all, but if there is no punishment for disobeying the rules then the tickets are pointless. *snort chuckle guffaw* punishments? :) I think that if you're bringing something to SYNHAK and leaving it out, thats pretty much asking for it to be hacked on. If the sticker says DO NOT HACK, thats really just a general advisory. If you're worried about things getting hacked on, there are already solutions to that, like taking the project home or keeping it in a bin with a lock. On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 1:24 AM, Ryan Rix r...@n.rix.si wrote: a l leit...@gmail.com writes: Hello all, As most of you know we have the policy that you can hack things in the space that aren't labeled 'do not hack'. Which is just about everything. There've been a few instances of people not seeing or ignoring 'Do Not Hack' Labels but by and large the system works. To help insure that the system keeps working I've been looking for a place to get custom printed packing or barricade tape for some time now. This way people can place pre-printed labels on things they want left alone. Barricade tape is cheaper so I've been looking into that recently. Unfortunately it's not exactly cheap. I found a place that does small quantities for a reasonable price but it's still pricey for something that's a bit of a novelty. http://www.crimescene.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_infoproducts_ id=535m1track=googlebaseutm_source=googlebaseutm_medium=cseutm_campaig n=export_ feedsource=googlebasegclid=CIOJyIGUqr0CFeJF7AodLxMAbA will print 2 color barricade tape for $40 per 1000' roll. There are places that will print adhesive tape but most won't deal in less than case(6 roll) quantities. Every place charges a setup fee but the link above is the first place that sells in quantities less than 3 rolls. 1 roll with setup fees will cost $75 and 3 rolls at most places is $150-160. 6 rolls of adhesive tape runs about $160-180 at the few places I looked. My question is this: Is purpose made 'DO NOT HACK' tape something people would use? Also would anyone contribute towards the cause or should a proposal be written to release funds. Our current system of masking tape/sharpie works most of the time and I doubt this would be any more successful. I just thought it would be a cool thing to have. Something like the parking passes on http://makezine.com/2012/10/26/watch-where-you-park-your-stuff-at-heatsync -labs/ could be useful and much cheaper. regards, Andrew Leitholf ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Do Not Hack barricade tape
pricing chart is on the wiki, not sure if this is what you are asking https://synhak.org/wiki/Membership since I remember you mentioning that there is no difference in member pricing at the openhouse, maybe that's changed? If this is the case, I'm confused again, as I don't remember discussing/voting on that. On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 9:06 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: On Monday, March 24, 2014 08:43:44 a l wrote: Rrix, Those look great and a bunch cheaper. I'm sure there's a printshop out there that does custom post-its/notepads for less than $75. I believe he was pointing out the uselessness of a ticket if there is no reprimand. I think Torrie was pointing out the reprimand comes in the form of your item may get hacked if labeled improperly. If the sticker says DO NOT HACK, thats really just a general advisory. That sounds as if you're advocating hacking on things labeled DO NOT HACK. That's probably not what you meant as that would be unexcellent. That said if you[general] leave a labeled project strewn across a workbench I'm going to clear the workbench off, while doing my best to keep your project together but in a more appropriate location that doesn't interfere with people using our infrastructure. Perhaps the stickers should say DO NOT MINDLESSLY HACK. I'm cool with someone taking something in the space that sasy DO NOT MINDLESSLY HACK and turning it into something better. Tim your robot should be fine where it is since that's largely out of the way. Just be sure to label things if you leave them at the space. Since GARC will be meeting regularly at SynHak we do offer member storage solutions ranging from a small tool box to a large rubbermaid tub, for a fee. Contact the Treasurer for pricing. Erm, what do I charge people? :) regards, Andrew L On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 7:56 AM, degerov...@yahoo.com degerov...@yahoo.comwrote: I believe he was pointing out the uselessness of a ticket if there is no reprimand. D. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Androidhttps://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android -- * From: * Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net; * To: * SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org; * Subject: * Re: [SH-Discuss] Do Not Hack barricade tape * Sent: * Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:21:05 AM On Monday, March 24, 2014 03:49:58 Andrew Buczko wrote: Rix, that's cool an all, but if there is no punishment for disobeying the rules then the tickets are pointless. *snort chuckle guffaw* punishments? :) I think that if you're bringing something to SYNHAK and leaving it out, thats pretty much asking for it to be hacked on. If the sticker says DO NOT HACK, thats really just a general advisory. If you're worried about things getting hacked on, there are already solutions to that, like taking the project home or keeping it in a bin with a lock. On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 1:24 AM, Ryan Rix r...@n.rix.si wrote: a l leit...@gmail.com writes: Hello all, As most of you know we have the policy that you can hack things in the space that aren't labeled 'do not hack'. Which is just about everything. There've been a few instances of people not seeing or ignoring 'Do Not Hack' Labels but by and large the system works. To help insure that the system keeps working I've been looking for a place to get custom printed packing or barricade tape for some time now. This way people can place pre-printed labels on things they want left alone. Barricade tape is cheaper so I've been looking into that recently. Unfortunately it's not exactly cheap. I found a place that does small quantities for a reasonable price but it's still pricey for something that's a bit of a novelty. http://www.crimescene.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_infoproducts_ id=535m1track=googlebaseutm_source=googlebaseutm_medium=cseutm_campaig n=export_ feedsource=googlebasegclid=CIOJyIGUqr0CFeJF7AodLxMAbA will print 2 color barricade tape for $40 per 1000' roll. There are places that will print adhesive tape but most won't deal in less than case(6 roll) quantities. Every place charges a setup fee but the link above is the first place that sells in quantities less than 3 rolls. 1 roll with setup fees will cost $75 and 3 rolls at most places is $150-160. 6 rolls of adhesive tape runs about $160-180 at the few places I looked. My question is this: Is purpose made 'DO NOT HACK' tape something people would use? Also would anyone contribute towards the cause or should a proposal be written to release funds. Our current system of masking tape/sharpie works most of the time and I
Re: [SH-Discuss] Saturday Cleanup and Cleveland Mini Maker Faire
I have a tournament on the 29th, so I will be unavailable, but I believe I can finish up the craft room ceiling and rehang the lights by then so we can restock it with it's furnishings, -that will be one less thing to clean around/shuffle On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: So, I think we all agreed to have the cleanup day on March 29th. Turns out that the Cleveland Mini Maker Faire is that day. http://makerfairecleveland.com/ I think we have a table there, but I'm not sure. Bad scheduling on my part, I had forgotten to add it to my and SYNHAK's calendar. Who might be going to the Maker Faire, and who might be handling our table up there? Should we move cleanup day to Sunday or another day? ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Paint related items for everyone to pick and choose from
Pretty sure there were On Mar 22, 2014 2:55 AM, Robert Rybicki rob...@robertrybicki.com wrote: Are there any silver paint pens? I could really use a couple. Rob Sent from my iPhone On Mar 22, 2014, at 2:27 AM, Craig Bergdorf mm1...@gmail.com wrote: That's what the (classic) donation pile is for, I'll be there for my open hours Sunday: Noon to 3 On Mar 22, 2014 12:21 AM, Byron Moran byrondmo...@gmail.com wrote: G, I am actually in the process of painting part of my apartment as we speak. I hope no one minds if I swoop in and grab a couple of these tomorrow. When will the space be open for me to do so? Super helpful! On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 12:16 AM, gs volt gsvo...@gmail.com wrote: Tonight I brought in two boxes of paint rollers (photo of 1box): http://imgur.com/kqBWqPb At the moment, these two boxes are on top of the power wheels racing car's red cover in front of the back bathroom. Also, brought in some Duplicolor Scratch Fix All-in-1 pens (approx. 100): http://imgur.com/DlxbDyy These pens are of various colors of automobiles by make and have been stored at room temperature on the lower shelf next to our 3d printer. Typically I learned that folks that have scratches on their cars, can use them to fix them quickly. If anyone has use for them, feel free to take them home. On opening day, I brought some paint in a Dole banana box that is in the machine room area somewhere that can be used for projects as well. All this stuff is coming direct from Sherwin-Williams' give-aways they sometimes have for anyone to take at no charge! Per item, in their store these things retail for a quite a lot. I'm glad to share all this with everyone at Synhak. Those members who would like to learn how to paint, can consider learning it from those that do I'd say, now that we have a huge number of these rollers. Perhaps we can have a let's paint synhak's walls that need paint day! Regards, G ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Thanks, Byron D Moran Software Development Consultant (330)992-9766 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] When did we start to use Consensus with blocking?
what was also said is that the history file can be edited by three people,
and there is no tracking of that.
So there are members, and more than one, that could edit the wiki and erase
the history of that event, or erase the history of another members edit.
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Omar Rassi omar.ra...@gmail.com wrote:
Wiki editing is not totally anonymous AND has timestamps and archives so
we can see who changed what to what when (even if the who is just an IP
address). As Torrie demonstrated, saying Anyone can put whatever on the
wiki and its there is inaccurate.
On Mar 20, 2014 7:19 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net
wrote:
On Thursday, March 20, 2014 03:19:12 Andrew Buczko wrote:
Torie, The meeting minutes from :
https://synhak.org/wiki/Meetings/2013-01-01
Say nothing about how we decide on a proposal. The meeting minutes
only
refer to the Proposal page:
https://synhak.org/wiki/Proposals
The Proposal page Has the basic rules on how we decide on proposals,
but it
was last modified on 19 March 2014, at 16:23.
Being that this is a wiki and I just verified that I can change the
document to say what ever I want it to say then I / we cannot trust that
this is how it's has always been.
Plus, even if it has been, I don't see consensus working in a larger
group.
https://synhak.org/w/index.php?title=Proposalsaction=history
On March 20th, someone added Andy was here
On March 19th, I added the {{Banner_policy}} tag
On March 11th, someone added a proposal to update our address in the
bylaws
On January 7th, 2013, the page was created with that whole protocol.
The only way to edit the history of a page is through direct editing of
the
database, which only G, Chris, and myself have access to, and there isn't
a
way to tell who if anyone did.
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Re: [SH-Discuss] When did we start to use Consensus with blocking?
I do listen to Steven Gibson, and he has some good points on security.
However listening to Mozart does not make me a musician. Furthermore, I was
clarifying that not anyone can post to the wiki without an audit trail,
unless there is collusion with one of 3 people.
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 1:46 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote:
On Thursday, March 20, 2014 10:26:30 Ryan Rix wrote:
Are you really that paranoid that someone is acting dishonestly? They
could also write postfix filters that rewrite your mailing list mails
too
Or run all the output from uwsgi through some other proxy that replaces
words
Or edit the mailman code to only send some mails to some people
Or rewrite the list archives
Or upload a completely rewritten version of the bylaws
These are the reasons why I'm a perfectionist about the security on
synhak.org
and refuse to hand it out to just anyone who asks nicely, proposal or
otherwise.
r
Michael Griesacker mgriesac...@gmail.com writes:
what was also said is that the history file can be edited by three
people, and there is no tracking of that.
So there are members, and more than one, that could edit the wiki and
erase the history of that event, or erase the history of another
members edit.
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Omar Rassi omar.ra...@gmail.com
wrote:
Wiki editing is not totally anonymous AND has timestamps and
archives so we can see who changed what to what when (even if the
who is just an IP address). As Torrie demonstrated, saying Anyone
can put whatever on the wiki and its there is inaccurate.
On Mar 20, 2014 7:19 AM, Torrie Fischer
tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote:
On Thursday, March 20, 2014 03:19:12 Andrew Buczko wrote:
Torie, The meeting minutes from :
https://synhak.org/wiki/Meetings/2013-01-01
Say nothing about how we decide on a proposal. The meeting
minutes only
refer to the Proposal page:
https://synhak.org/wiki/Proposals
The Proposal page Has the basic rules on how we decide on
proposals, but it
was last modified on 19 March 2014, at 16:23.
Being that this is a wiki and I just verified that I can
change the
document to say what ever I want it to say then I / we
cannot trust that
this is how it's has always been.
Plus, even if it has been, I don't see consensus working in
a larger group.
https://synhak.org/w/index.php?title=Proposalsaction=history
On March 20th, someone added Andy was here
On March 19th, I added the {{Banner_policy}} tag
On March 11th, someone added a proposal to update our address
in the bylaws
On January 7th, 2013, the page was created with that whole
protocol.
The only way to edit the history of a page is through direct
editing of the
database, which only G, Chris, and myself have access to, and
there isn't a
way to tell who if anyone did.
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Re: [SH-Discuss] Group discounts
I think family rates should be 10 to 15$ more per each additional member with no discounts for buying in advance. I'm fine with non family group rates as currently proposed. On Mar 12, 2014 9:22 PM, Omar Rassi omar.ra...@gmail.com wrote: No problem, that's discuss is for! To help each other. On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 22:01:21 Seeley, Tim wrote: Would $94.50 be the rate paid by an individual paying 3 months at one time? (3*35) = 105 10% of 105 = 10.5 105-10.5=94.5 Yeah, you're both right. I'm an engineer, I swear. V/R Tim Seeley From: discuss-boun...@synhak.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@synhak.org] On Behalf Of Omar Rassi Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 5:36 PM To: SYN/HAK discussion list Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Group discounts I think your 7 month 3 people example fall in the 20% discount if the largest discount applies. Other than that I see no issue with this. Being able to pay dues for multiple people seem like an more efficient structure than having two different pricing plans (a family discount plan and bulk membership plan). On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 5:21 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netmailto:tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: I want to resume our previous discussions about the family discount plans. Previous thread: https://synhak.org/pipermail/discuss/2014-January/006706.html First, I agree with Andrew's suggestion that the student and senior rates should be combined into one. $15 seems reasonable, yeah? Second, the discount system. I'd like to stick with the idea of being able to buy subscriptions in blocks. However, I'd like to adopt a constant discount rate based on how many unique individuals are being paid for, with a disjoint discount for the number of months that are bought for a single person. Here's how I think it can be broken down for a single person: * 0% discount for 1 month * 10% discount for 3 or more months And if it is for a whole group: * 15% discount for 2-6 people * 20% discount for 7 or more If multiple discounts are available, the largest one will be used. Examples: * 1 person, 1 month: $35, 0% discount * 1 person, 2 months: $70, 0% discount * 1 person, 3 months: $101.5, 10% discount of $105 * 2 people, 1 month for each person: $59.50, 15% discount of $70 * 2 people, 2 months for each person: $119, 15% discount of $140 * 2 people, 3 months for each person: $178.50, 15% discount of $210 * 7 people, 3 months for each person: $624.75, 15% discount of $735 This should be quite a bit simpler than the previous idea, and still keeps with the original idea of making it easier for couples or families to support themselves. Finally, I am considering developing a sliding scale for the low income rate. I'm not too sure how that would get implemented, but charging a percentage of membership dues based on the ability to pay seems a lot more fair than pegging everyone at $15/mo, especially since we're all about inclusiveness. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.orgmailto:Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] SYNHAK Drug Policy
in regards to the recent incident last tuesday, and, if memory serves, there were two incidents with the same individual, was that member asked to leave, and did someone sit down with that member the next day or after and discuss their inappropriate behavior? On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 10:25 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: On Sunday, March 09, 2014 17:35:31 degerov...@yahoo.com wrote: I feel that my suggestion was side stepped completely. After receiving multiple verbal complaints, and a written formal complaint I feel this has become a problem. Your suggestion doesn't allow SYNHAK to really say anything other than bad hacker, think about what you have done. I don't want to see it degrade to people calling the police instead of calmly resolving any issues within Synhak. The policy has nothing to do with adult alcohol consumption or behavior as that is subject to opinion and point of view. With this policy we can calmly and internally quell Sorry, I re-read this and just about spat my tea on my laptop. Internally quell? Devin, SYNHAK is an organization that values communication and transparency. This has never changed in the last two years. If someone has a complaint about another participant in the community, the solution is to get the two together and hash out their differences. If someone had come and complained to me that another member was doing something they didn't approve of, I would be sure to get the two together in a safe space and mediate. Somehow that hasn't actually needed to happen 'till all this boiled over. I think we should consider ourselves quite lucky. I've received some pretty nasty e-mails from individuals regarding misunderstandings about my financial reporting. So I talked with Chris and he's tried to reach out and get some mediation going. I think that was maybe 2-3 weeks ago. From what I can tell they're still upset and not telling me or Chris why that is. I say that because neither of us have heard back. Internally quell really comes off like a non-statement. This drug policy idea appears to be an attempt to wave some hands and hope the problem goes away without actually connecting the people in question to resolve their differences. Can I start complaining to you about the disrespect I get from various people? Is the solution to that an anti-harassment policy that just reiterates Be Excellent To Others without actually addressing the underlying issue of people thinking its OK to fill my day to day interactions with misery? No, not really. Nothing would change. I really want to get back to hacking. I'm tired of all this infighting and hearing whispers that people don't like me all while they refuse to talk to me about their issues even after directly asking them to do so. Can you please try to resolve these tensions in a proven manner instead of making big empty statements of drugs are bad, mmmkay? If you want, I'd be more than happy to bring in some professional mediators. I'll even pay them if thats what is needed. For some perspective of where I'm coming from, I'll bring up this quote that I've always looked back at regarding SYNHAK's governance and my ever vigilant fight against more rules: For we're excellent to each other here We rarely ever block We value tools over pre-emptive rules And spurn the key and the lock. -- Danny O'Brien, 2010-11-09 general meeting notes, Noisebridge these situations. If this is a matter best suited for the police, then that should be the course of action the next time this situation arises. Regards Devin Wolfe ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[SH-Discuss] Fwd: Stewing at the Meeting 3/4
sent this to announce this morning, but looks like somebody has a day job -- Forwarded message -- From: Michael Griesacker mgriesac...@gmail.com Date: Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 11:26 AM Subject: Stewing at the Meeting 3/4 To: annou...@synhak.org I will be bringing a pot of venison stew tonight for anyone who would like to try it, I can't gaurantee there will be enough for all, but it will be a mushroom base, and have meat/vegetables in it. -bring your own spoons/bowls ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] plastic lids from mcdonalds
That was me, Philip Thanks On Mar 1, 2014 11:24 AM, Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.com wrote: TWIMC Someone asked me to bring them* two clear plastic salad cover lids* from McDonalds after the last weekly meeting. Lack of sleep and constant harping from my imaginary girlfriend has resulted in a temporary loss of memory. I can't remember who asked me to save them. Anyway, I will be bringing two lids with me today. If not claimed today, the person who wants them will find them hanging on or near the bulletin board, just inside the entrance. ETA at the Open House is around/about/almost 2pm. Philip ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Meeting minutes from 2014-02-25
* Devin: Let's put a 100% freeze on all new funds until we figure out a game plan for it. Use a financial advisor, Miami Foundation. - That's from the minutes On Feb 27, 2014 4:48 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Feb 27, 2014 4:38 PM, degerov...@yahoo.com wrote: There has been a misunderstanding. My proposal last night was filed under discussion items, I am not sure as to why. I dont remember you saying anything was a proposal. What in particular are you talking about, and what's the wording you are proposing? D. From: Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net To: degerov...@yahoo.com; SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 11:48 PM Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Meeting minutes from 2014-02-25 On Wednesday, February 26, 2014 13:50:20 degerov...@yahoo.com wrote: Torrie, While I appreciate your input, I don't feel your implied authority argument is valid. I do not see the need to change the proposal at this time. Whoah whoah whoah, when did this become a proposal with any kind of real wording? This was discussion about working on the idea. Thanks, Devin Wolfe From: Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Meeting minutes from 2014-02-25 On Wednesday, February 26, 2014 06:17:31 degerov...@yahoo.com wrote: I don't follow. If you have stated many times, champions do not have authority. Why would anti-authoritarian-type-people have any issue with this what so ever? They would just serve as another member on the committee concerned about the growth of SYNHAK. Technically, they have no authority. Realistically, champions have been called the leaders of SYNHAK, benevolent dictator for life, presidents, directors, and many other titles that imply some kind of authority. Consider also the situation of a champion taking over another officer's job while they're still on the CWG. Suddenly they are on the CWG and have actual powers. Devin. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Meeting minutes from 2014-02-25
Also: ** Justin: Proposes that we create a working group for this grant. ** Tim: Do they have specific restrictions? *** They use the words charitable use. Which carries more meaning than may appear at the surface. On Feb 27, 2014 6:21 PM, Michael Griesacker mgriesac...@gmail.com wrote: * Devin: Let's put a 100% freeze on all new funds until we figure out a game plan for it. Use a financial advisor, Miami Foundation. - That's from the minutes On Feb 27, 2014 4:48 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Feb 27, 2014 4:38 PM, degerov...@yahoo.com wrote: There has been a misunderstanding. My proposal last night was filed under discussion items, I am not sure as to why. I dont remember you saying anything was a proposal. What in particular are you talking about, and what's the wording you are proposing? D. From: Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net To: degerov...@yahoo.com; SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 11:48 PM Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Meeting minutes from 2014-02-25 On Wednesday, February 26, 2014 13:50:20 degerov...@yahoo.com wrote: Torrie, While I appreciate your input, I don't feel your implied authority argument is valid. I do not see the need to change the proposal at this time. Whoah whoah whoah, when did this become a proposal with any kind of real wording? This was discussion about working on the idea. Thanks, Devin Wolfe From: Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Meeting minutes from 2014-02-25 On Wednesday, February 26, 2014 06:17:31 degerov...@yahoo.com wrote: I don't follow. If you have stated many times, champions do not have authority. Why would anti-authoritarian-type-people have any issue with this what so ever? They would just serve as another member on the committee concerned about the growth of SYNHAK. Technically, they have no authority. Realistically, champions have been called the leaders of SYNHAK, benevolent dictator for life, presidents, directors, and many other titles that imply some kind of authority. Consider also the situation of a champion taking over another officer's job while they're still on the CWG. Suddenly they are on the CWG and have actual powers. Devin. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] New Space, New Newsletter!!!
How often did we have our old newsletter? On Feb 27, 2014 9:53 PM, Justin Herman just...@gmail.com wrote: Hey everyone. With our new space open house I thought we could get a newsletter going. If you would like to subscribe join here http://synhak.us3.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=6c1338d7ba8ac5e0544858682id=809cd4bb9b If you could like to help write/submit content, join us at news-disc...@synhak.org. I hope to have ~1 or so a month. Thanks, Justin Herman ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Tuesday
The space is now open On Feb 24, 2014 10:03 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Monday, February 24, 2014 00:13:42 Andrew Buczko wrote: This is a hacker space, so the easyist way is to repel down from a helicopter and blow torch your way through the roof. Considering what I've heard about the roof, that might be overkill. You should just be able to call it names and it'll fall of its own lack of self esteem. :) On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Becca Salchak blsalc...@yahoo.com wrote: Sorry sent that from my phone ment earliest On Sunday, February 23, 2014, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Sunday, February 23, 2014 09:34:47 Becca Salchak wrote: What is the easiest that someone will have the space open on Tuesday? A key would be the easiest way to open the space, I think. I'll be there at 6 PM :) ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Becca Salchak blsalc...@yahoo.com peace and love ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] vacuum former question-OPENING DAY related
Andrew, if ever I say something that has more than one interpretation, and one of them upsets you, I meant the other one. Although that was a double entendre, By drinking the Coolaid I meant buying in to our culture, and getting excited about what we do. For amusement, here is a short list of accidental entendre's from: http://examples.yourdictionary.com/examples/double-entendre-examples.html - Panda mating fails: veterinarian takes over - Miners refuse to work after death - New obesity study looks for larger test group - Children make nutritious snacks - Criminals get nine months in violin case furthermore, children snacks aside, I think this project may get pushed out a bit if our current plastic is the wrong type On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 12:27 AM, Andrew Buczko a4s...@dsprototyping.comwrote: Mike, what exactly do you mean when you say Drinking the Coolaid I hope you are not referencing what I think you are referencing. Hmm, we should try some coffee mugs to see just how good and how many we can form, using the plastic that we have. as for getting food safe plastic, better order it over night if you want it in time for opening day. I think that making our own SynHak We Make Akron cups would be fun! On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 6:13 PM, a l leit...@gmail.com wrote: The plastic we have is -not- food safe. We works need to buy some PETG plastic. Most cups are injection molded. While we could make some cups, the bigger they are the more likely the form will pull unevenly. Regards Andrew L On Feb 23, 2014 1:31 PM, Justin Herman just...@gmail.com wrote: Devin would be the person to ask about the plastic. On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Becca Salchak blsalc...@yahoo.comwrote: I don't know anything about it but if we could make it work that would be really cool On Feb 23, 2014 11:59 AM, Michael Griesacker mgriesac...@gmail.com wrote: -hello, 1) is our vacuum former using food-grade plastic? 2) has anyone made forms for cups yet? 3) is anyone interested in showcasing our infrastructure capability by making SynHak logo cups for Drinking the Coolaid on opening day/ or other sponsored event? I'm thinking about 4oz size to facilitate punch, adequately carry our logo or web address, and small enough to serve as a novelty/keepsake/trinket -so bigger than shotglass, but not by a lot. thoughts? -and a cost analysis would be appropriate, I don't remember how much sheets cost Best Regards Mike G ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Small bathroom has been painted
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Re: [SH-Discuss] Bylaws discussion: Community Working Group
Does anyone else have a concern about this? CWG has the authority to modify their protocol with approval of the Membership. -I have an issue with this, since having authority overrides needing approval. If they need approval, they don't have authority. I'll assume they don't have authority, and the wording just needs cleaned up. ...the CWG would be using to set a precident that defines approval of the membership.. - the CWD should not be setting precedence or definitions of membership approval. Do we not have a defined process of membership approval already? Regards, Mike On Feb 19, 2014 7:48 PM, Andrew Buczko a4s...@dsprototyping.com wrote: Can you explain that in english? Are we going to farm-out our disputes to a desktop environment? On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: I'd like to suggest a modification to our bylaws via amendment. The Problem: Nobody is actually trained to handle interpersonal disputes and the resolution therof The Solution: A Community Working Group that acts as the central point of contact for questions about communication between community participants along with a respected independent mediator between community participants. This is an idea that is currently being worked on at Norton's Imperial Labs, with lots patterns taken from KDE: http://ev.kde.org/workinggroups/cwg.php I would like to see this implemented as: * A brief amendment to our bylaws that defines the offices required and delegates the power of conflict resolution and community management to them, with a statement that the CWG has the authority to modify their protocol with approval of the Membership. * A protocol established by the membership in the traditional proposal process that the CWG would be using to set a precident that defines approval of the membership. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] The Webcam
I don't care where its mounted, (besides the restrooms), but I do like the semi private areas idea. On Feb 4, 2014 11:20 PM, Justin Herman just...@gmail.com wrote: Seems fair. On Feb 4, 2014 11:01 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: Hi, all. I think this is something we should talk about briefly. We've now got internet at the space. The kiosk should be up tomorrow afternoon so we can start to figure out when anyone is around. The Webcam is also a big help with this so I'd like to have that ready again soon, but it needs a little more infrastructure in place (ipv4 port forwarding/nat) first. I've never really appreciated the spooky anonymous all-seeingness of the webcam. Thats why I worked to make sure the Perkins Room could be a rather private place. I'd like to have a similar environment at 48 S Summit. Any thoughts on where to put the webcam? I would think that putting it halfway down the hallway pointing towards the west wall could provide enough indication of activity without a significant reduction in privacy. It could easily show if any lights are on, with occasional glimpses of some activities. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] omgitsmaptime.com launches
sorry, can't provide guidance here On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 7:02 PM, Andrew Buczko a4s...@dsprototyping.comwrote: Event 38 in Akron does stuff like that. http://www.event38.com/ Michael What mapping app software do you recommend? On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 9:01 AM, Michael Griesacker mgriesac...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks G, interesting On Jan 23, 2014 4:44 PM, gs volt gsvo...@gmail.com wrote: omgitsmaptime.com has launched online to teach interested readers how to get familiar with online mapping. I hear its a crucial civic hacking skillset to have. Here's an intro about them: Maptime is, rather literally, time for mapmaking. Our mission is to open the doors of cartographic possibility to anyone interested by creating a time and space for collaborative learning, exploration, and map creation using mapping tools and technologies. This open learning environment for all levels and degrees of knowledge offers intentional support for the beginner. Maptime is simultaneously flexible and structured, creating space for workshops, ongoing projects with a shared goal, and independent/collaborative work time. One of these projects is the the ABC’s of Cartographyhttps://github.com/maptime/abcs-of-cartography/wiki . Maptime was started as an idea at the 2013 State of the Map UShttp://stateofthemap.us/ conference, where some of the organizers – Beth and Camille – realized that they wanted to become better mapmakers, but were frustrated with the lack resources for learning how to make them. At the same time, discussions were emerginghttps://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/diversity-talk/ about creating diversity in the Open Street Map community. Maptime is an answer to both calls— how to learn, and how to engage a diverse group of people. Inspiration for Maptime comes from both hack nights and knitting circles. Both are models of spaces for people to create and learn together. Our goal is to provide this space with an open heart and without pretension. You can bring your own projects to work on, or just hang out and socialize or ask questions. Some people are experts, and some people are just getting started, but all of us are learning, so why not do it together? That’s our story. Come be a part of it. Maps for all forever! If its something you've always been curious about, get involved electronically and make cool stuff. Regards, -- G | Gaurav Narain Saxena | (330) 283 - 4972 I am a Board Member at SYN/HAK http://www.synhak.org: The Akron Hackerspace located at 48 S Summit St Akron Ohio 44308https://maps.google.com/maps?q=48+S+Summit+St+Akron+Ohio+44308 I am providing technical consulting services to Sherwin-Williamshttp://www.sherwin-williams.com/on behalf of Bennett Adelson http://www.bennettadelson.com/ (Microsoft Solution Center) located at 6050 Oak Tree Blvd, Cleveland, Ohio 44131https://maps.google.com/maps?q=6050+Oak+Tree+Blvd,+Cleveland,+Ohio+44131 I have also been providing solutions to non-trivial problems other businesses may have through my company Whiskey Bits LLC located in Portage Lakes, Ohio Learn more about things I have created by reading my About pagehttp://gsvolt.wordpress.com/about-2/on my blog http://gsvolt.wordpress.com/ ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] 48 Summit St front room discussion thread
I am also against taking the wall down, for now, and feel scope creep is a valid point. I apologize for lack of lengthy supporting argument, but I only have two thumbs. On Jan 20, 2014 12:32 PM, degerov...@yahoo.com degerov...@yahoo.com wrote: Omar, the decision is split. This is a discussion for the next meeting. I am against tearing out the storage closet and the wall it resides in. That being said I am not against removing the window from the other, south facing, wall. Stop trying to push decisions through by calling it Synhak philosophy and brushing it under the rug. If we have disagreements we need to give everyone a chance to speak their piece. See you at the next meeting, Devin Wolfe. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Androidhttp://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android -- * From: * Omar Rassi omar.ra...@gmail.com; * To: * SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org; * Subject: * Re: [SH-Discuss] 48 Summit St front room discussion thread * Sent: * Mon, Jan 20, 2014 4:40:18 PM Andrew L, I agree, we all love Synhak and want the best for our new space but we must refrain from passionate sarcasm and profanity during discussion, its not acceptable during meetings nor should it be during discussion. From this thread, there is a very strong and compelling argument from more than one person for bringing down the walls in the front room, turning one wall into a welcome bar. Currently, having a walled off restricted area is not in keeping with Synhak's philosophy. The admin computer I had set up before plus our document github should be more than sufficient sufficient to store and maintain any documentation or office related work that needs done by an officer in the event an officer doesn't have access to their own computer to do it with. When Synhak grows large enough to warrant a dedicated office space, then we'll revisit the subject. My mind's eye is seeing the area becoming a place to make it easy to find to more information on Synhak, access to membership and liability forms, showcase sample projects (like the hard drive speakers Dialbot, etc). like the the kiosk that was at 21 W. North but version 2.0. essentially an excellent first sight for new visitors and guests of Synhak. For now, lets get the area ready for that by taking down the wall, making the bar height section of the other wall, and continue the renovations and repair that must take place anyway regardless of what happens to the wall. On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 8:30 AM, a l leit...@gmail.com wrote: Firstly I realize people are passionate about the space and making it better but if we could leave dismissive, explicit, and excessively sarcastic commentary out of the discussion that would be excellent to everyone. Secondly the arguments against tearing down the office we already have to build a slightly different one in the exact same place are more than just There are other things in need of doing!. Secondly as you pointed out tearing down walls is not expensive. Remodeling the now larger space so it doesn't look like people ran drunkenly around with sawz-alls and crowbars is the expensive part. We have to get: ceiling tile, drywall, paint, relocate more outlets(new wiring, boxes, c), and floor vents for formerly wall vents. We are losing money and working on a finite time table. Having a prioritized list actually does mean we should focus the vast majority of our limited time and money on them. They are the projects that need to get done in order for SynHak to function come opening day. Getting the main workspace up and running should be everyone's main effort. After that's done we can and should focus on the 'nice to have' list. regards, Andrew L On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 1:01 AM, Andrew Buczko a4s...@dsprototyping.comwrote: I shouldn't have to explain this... Every time you start a project you run into expenses. Yes we can recycle what materials we have but there's always something else needed to get the project done. Personally, I'm done with this, so so already started tearing out the wall, so fuck it! lets just gut the whole fucking place! On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Omar Rassi omar.ra...@gmail.comwrote: Andy, I also emailed the start of this thread to bu...@synhak.org, discuss is what responded first. A few questions for you Andy: It's a nice little room, we can use for what ever we want, if you take it away then all we'll have is big empty space. It won't be empty, it would be built into the welcome bar. The whole reason we moved to 48 Summit is because we need more space, are you saying we now have too much? How does keeping the walls make it less empty? we don't have the money to build new walls. Why would we need to build new walls there? Why would a Synhak office absolutely require walls? If a separate office is needed, a walled off area right by the front door is not a good place to have one, so a
Re: [SH-Discuss] Pushing opening day back a week?
I agree On Jan 13, 2014 8:02 PM, Omar Rassi omar.ra...@gmail.com wrote: Thumbs up On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 6:22 PM, Becca Salchak blsalc...@yahoo.comwrote: I think that's a good plan On Jan 13, 2014 6:01 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: Anyone have an issue with moving our open house to March 1st? I guess Devin is planning some kind of smaller test-run open house for the 22nd with OddMall folks. The reasoning is that if they find something to complain about, we can fix it that week. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
