Re: http://www.icann.org/transfers/
is there a summary somewhere that outlines the changes in simple person's language? i looked quickly but couldn't find a date when this new policy will be implemented. ?? tx, josh on 2/8/04 11:58 PM, elliot noss at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: in case some folks hadn't seen this. after years of effort it finally seems that the end is near. big kudos to ross for all his hard work.
Re: http://www.icann.org/transfers/
On 2/9/2004 10:03 AM Swerve noted that: is there a summary somewhere that outlines the changes in simple person's language? No - unfortunately not. This document is the result of an earlier human-readable policy statement consisting of 29 recommendations being lawyerfied over a period of several months. The result this is so thick is simply that this is precisely what we are being asked to implement - there should be no ambiguities left in the language, hence the overly heavy text... i looked quickly but couldn't find a date when this new policy will be implemented. ?? Implementation will likely start the second week of March and run for a period of ninety days after which all registrars will be required to be in full compliance with the new policy. -- -rwr Don't be too timid and squeamish about your actions. All life is an experiment. The more experiments you make the better. - Ralph Waldo Emerson Got Blog? http://www.blogware.com My Blogware: http://www.byte.org
Re: http://www.icann.org/transfers/
I presume that this new policy will prevent registrars from blocking legitimate transfers? Is this correct? tx, Josh on 2/9/04 10:31 AM, Ross Wm. Rader at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/9/2004 10:03 AM Swerve noted that: is there a summary somewhere that outlines the changes in simple person's language? No - unfortunately not. This document is the result of an earlier human-readable policy statement consisting of 29 recommendations being lawyerfied over a period of several months. The result this is so thick is simply that this is precisely what we are being asked to implement - there should be no ambiguities left in the language, hence the overly heavy text... i looked quickly but couldn't find a date when this new policy will be implemented. ?? Implementation will likely start the second week of March and run for a period of ninety days after which all registrars will be required to be in full compliance with the new policy.
Re: http://www.icann.org/transfers/
On 2/9/2004 11:45 AM Swerve noted that: I presume that this new policy will prevent registrars from blocking legitimate transfers? Is this correct? Let me put it another way - a registrar that is operating in compliance with this policy will not block legitimate transfers. A registrar not complying with this policy may choose to block legitimate transfers in which case Tucows may exercise its option to proceed to an administrative panel for resolution of the situation. -- -rwr Don't be too timid and squeamish about your actions. All life is an experiment. The more experiments you make the better. - Ralph Waldo Emerson Got Blog? http://www.blogware.com My Blogware: http://www.byte.org
Re: http://www.icann.org/transfers/
On 2/9/2004 11:45 AM Swerve noted that: I presume that this new policy will prevent registrars from blocking legitimate transfers? Is this correct? Let me put it another way - a registrar that is operating in compliance with this policy will not block legitimate transfers. A registrar not complying with this policy may choose to block legitimate transfers in which case Tucows may exercise its option to proceed to an administrative panel for resolution of the situation. sounds expensive. Joe Baptista: USG Portal www.joebaptista.com, Personal www.baptista.god Chief Internet Scientist, / System Administrator to .GOD and .SATAN TTF-Bucksfan www.gov.ttf / www.nic.god, www.nic.satan or www.dot-god.com
Re: http://www.icann.org/transfers/
On 2/9/2004 1:13 PM Joe Baptista noted that: sounds expensive. Intended to be expensive - for the loser. They are loser pay proceedings. The policy is sufficiently defined that violations are going to be few and far between unless someone is wilfully violating the policy. It won't take that many $1500 administrative bills before the behaviour will be permanently corrected. -- -rwr Don't be too timid and squeamish about your actions. All life is an experiment. The more experiments you make the better. - Ralph Waldo Emerson Got Blog? http://www.blogware.com My Blogware: http://www.byte.org
Re: [ATTN JLB MSG] Re: http://www.icann.org/transfers/
On Mon, 9 Feb 2004, Ross Wm. Rader wrote: On 2/9/2004 1:13 PM Joe Baptista noted that: sounds expensive. Intended to be expensive - for the loser. They are loser pay proceedings. The policy is sufficiently defined that violations are going to be few and far between unless someone is wilfully violating the policy. It won't take that many $1500 administrative bills before the behaviour will be permanently corrected. I understand - does tucows pay the fee initially or the domain owner who has the problem? regards joe Joe Baptista: USG Portal www.joebaptista.com, Personal www.baptista.god Chief Internet Scientist, / System Administrator to .GOD and .SATAN TTF-Bucksfan www.gov.ttf / www.nic.god, www.nic.satan or www.dot-god.com
Re: [ATTN JLB MSG] Re: http://www.icann.org/transfers/
On 2/9/2004 2:33 PM Joe Baptista noted that: On Mon, 9 Feb 2004, Ross Wm. Rader wrote: On 2/9/2004 1:13 PM Joe Baptista noted that: sounds expensive. Intended to be expensive - for the loser. They are loser pay proceedings. The policy is sufficiently defined that violations are going to be few and far between unless someone is wilfully violating the policy. It won't take that many $1500 administrative bills before the behaviour will be permanently corrected. I understand - does tucows pay the fee initially or the domain owner who has the problem? Without re-reading the policy, I can't remember if the registrar is required to pay or prevented from paying or if the policy is silent... If the policy is silent, then Tucows specific policy is certainly TBD... -- -rwr Don't be too timid and squeamish about your actions. All life is an experiment. The more experiments you make the better. - Ralph Waldo Emerson Got Blog? http://www.blogware.com My Blogware: http://www.byte.org
Re: http://www.icann.org/transfers/
I have several domains at Totalnic. My last request - after many others - of transfer to OpenSRS was denied without any reason. Now, what should be the process? dC At 18:02 09/02/04, Ross Wm. Rader wrote: On 2/9/2004 11:45 AM Swerve noted that: I presume that this new policy will prevent registrars from blocking legitimate transfers? Is this correct? Let me put it another way - a registrar that is operating in compliance with this policy will not block legitimate transfers. A registrar not complying with this policy may choose to block legitimate transfers in which case Tucows may exercise its option to proceed to an administrative panel for resolution of the situation. -- -rwr Don't be too timid and squeamish about your actions. All life is an experiment. The more experiments you make the better. - Ralph Waldo Emerson Got Blog? http://www.blogware.com My Blogware: http://www.byte.org
Re: http://www.icann.org/transfers/
On 2/9/2004 4:54 PM A Lucas Victoria Group Inc. noted that: I have several domains at Totalnic. My last request - after many others - of transfer to OpenSRS was denied without any reason. Now, what should be the process? Nothing. We're still operating under the old policy, as such they get to continue to hold out on transfers until the new policy is in full effect. -- -rwr Don't be too timid and squeamish about your actions. All life is an experiment. The more experiments you make the better. - Ralph Waldo Emerson Got Blog? http://www.blogware.com My Blogware: http://www.byte.org
Re: http://www.icann.org/transfers/
Ross Wm. Rader wrote: I presume that this new policy will prevent registrars from blocking legitimate transfers? Is this correct? Let me put it another way - a registrar that is operating in compliance with this policy will not block legitimate transfers. A registrar not complying with this policy may choose to block legitimate transfers in which case Tucows may exercise its option to proceed to an administrative panel for resolution of the situation. Does this administrative panel have a firing squad as a possible resolution? -- Dave Warren, Email Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cell: (403) 371-3470 Fax: (403) 371-3471 Toll free: (888) 371-3470 Vonage: (817) 886-0860 ICQ: 17848192 AIM: devilspgd Yahoo!: devilspgd MSN/PASSPORT: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 2/9/2004 4:59 PM Dave Warren noted that: Does this administrative panel have a firing squad as a possible resolution? I did propose it at one point. The proposal was ultimately rejected as being too lenient. -- -rwr Don't be too timid and squeamish about your actions. All life is an experiment. The more experiments you make the better. - Ralph Waldo Emerson Got Blog? http://www.blogware.com My Blogware: http://www.byte.org
Re: http://www.icann.org/transfers/
on 2/9/04 5:13 PM, Ross Wm. Rader at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/9/2004 4:59 PM Dave Warren noted that: Does this administrative panel have a firing squad as a possible resolution? I did propose it at one point. The proposal was ultimately rejected as being too lenient. Yer getting soft in your old age, Rader. Swerve
Re: http://www.icann.org/transfers/
I have a domain at Totalnic. My impression is that they basically have a do-not-transfer policy. When I inquired about transferring the domain out, they asked me to have a signed, notarized, original authorization mailed to their offices in Australia. Even after I did that, they still haven't transfer my domain. I don't know what I'm going to do, but as I feel now, I wouldn't advise someone to register a domain there. Someone needs to talk to them. I've heard the same complaint from others. They say that they are protecting the registrant, but I think their policy is a little too stringent. Best Regards, Joe Alagna At 01:54 PM 2/9/2004, A Lucas Victoria Group Inc. wrote: I have several domains at Totalnic. My last request - after many others - of transfer to OpenSRS was denied without any reason. Now, what should be the process? dC At 18:02 09/02/04, Ross Wm. Rader wrote: On 2/9/2004 11:45 AM Swerve noted that: I presume that this new policy will prevent registrars from blocking legitimate transfers? Is this correct? Let me put it another way - a registrar that is operating in compliance with this policy will not block legitimate transfers. A registrar not complying with this policy may choose to block legitimate transfers in which case Tucows may exercise its option to proceed to an administrative panel for resolution of the situation. -- -rwr Don't be too timid and squeamish about your actions. All life is an experiment. The more experiments you make the better. - Ralph Waldo Emerson Got Blog? http://www.blogware.com My Blogware: http://www.byte.org / CentralNic, Ltd. ___/ http://www.centralnic.com __/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _/ Phone 1-909-606-9175 / Fax: 1-909-606-9275 ___/ Toll Free 1-800-484-0925 ext.1235 (sec. code) --- US.COM, America's Dot Com Domain EU.COM, The First Domain for All Of Europe QC.COM, Quebec's Own Domain Name --- Learn to listen, opportunity often knocks softly. Anonymous
Re: http://www.icann.org/transfers/
On Feb 9, 2004, at 5:52 PM, Joe Alagna wrote: I have a domain at Totalnic. My impression is that they basically have a do-not-transfer policy. Wild West Domains is similar but not quite so bad. If you change the WHOIS on a name (even just add a comma to an address) they invoke their no transfer until 60 days after a WHOIS change rule. Wild West is dead on.
Re: http://www.icann.org/transfers/
On Feb 8, 2004, at 10:58 PM, elliot noss wrote: in case some folks hadn't seen this. after years of effort it finally seems that the end is near. big kudos to ross for all his hard work. A shame it doesn't cover previous transfers. We're still waiting to get a domain name back that NetSol transfered out of OpenSRS without telling either us or OpenSRS. :^(
